Ricardo Lopez in the Hall of Fame

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If you haven't seen the guy fight, he's a very very good fighter. Almost perfect technique. I'd have put him in the Hall of Fame but its hard to deny that he doesn't have an overwhelming resume like some first ballot hall of famers do. Now I have no idea what happened with the Carbajal fight so its hard to even comment on that.

Any thoughts?

He has some decent names on the resume,not instantaneoulsy recognisable but good skilled fighter. Finito has awesome technique and is HIGHLY under rated,due to his the weight he fought at? His fights with ALvarez were awesome examples of great boxing,jabs,comboc,defence everything Great fighter,deserves it.CC for the news although bro,I don't think we are allowed to post articles anymore,I think the rule is to just post the link?

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

He has some decent names on the resume,not instantaneoulsy recognisable but good skilled fighter. Finito has awesome technique and is HIGHLY under rated,due to his the weight he fought at? His fights with ALvarez were awesome examples of great boxing,jabs,comboc,defence everything Great fighter,deserves it.CC for the news although bro,I don't think we are allowed to post articles anymore,I think the rule is to just post the link?

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Really? Must have missed it, I'll delete the rest and just put the link up.

Lopez was a great fighter. If you never seen him, than your really missing out

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Lopez was a great fighter. If you never seen him, than your really missing out

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never seen him never been able to find any footage of him actually just find some footage of him on youtube ill watch him later

Ricardo Lopez vs Alex Sanchez


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Ricardo Lopez vs Kitichai Preecha 1 of 2

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Ricardo Lopez vs Kitichai Preecha 2 of 2


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Ricardo Lopez vs Rocky Lin


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Ricardo Lopez vs Hideyuki Ohashi Part 1of2


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Ricardo Lopez vs Hideyuki Ohashi Part 2of2


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theres some footage i found for those who havent seen him because ive never watched any of his fights i will do later for first time 8)

'El Finito' was and is amazing to watch never get tired of watching his fights.
Single handedly 1 of the BEST, if not the best technicians of all time.....

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

He has some decent names on the resume,not instantaneoulsy recognisable but good skilled fighter. Finito has awesome technique and is HIGHLY under rated,due to his the weight he fought at? His fights with ALvarez were awesome examples of great boxing,jabs,comboc,defence everything Great fighter,deserves it.CC for the news although bro,I don't think we are allowed to post articles anymore,I think the rule is to just post the link?

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IMO, he has the best names that were available at the time. You also got to keep in mind that in the lower weight classes you could have about 6 fights and already by challenging for a title. Now this doesn't mean your to green or it doesn't mean you've learned faster then others. Not sure excatly why but thats just the way it is... Thats why you see a handfull of Lopez opponents with about 20 fights or so on their records... Take for example right now....

Eagle Kyowa 17-1
Pornsawan Kratingdaenggym 17-0
Katsunari Takayama 18-2
Nobuo Nashiro 9-0
Koki Kameda 12-0

All good fighters some better then others but they are at the top at the moment... So thats who you gotta fight. I mean he won the WBC/WBA & WBO titles. 'Nene' Sanchez was no push over at that time... IMO and neither was 'El Buffalo' both very good fighters at that time....

Actually.... I have to agree. This kid is wAAAAAAYYYY overrated.

He's overrated in that, everybody says he's underrated.

Hall of Fame credentials, yes. 1st Ballot? Helll no! You gotta be kidding me.

An "O" with no real bad*ss fighter on his resume. haha

Doesn't impress me. Just another man who displays skills... and there are plenty of them.

A real 1st Ballot goes balls out and risks his "O" with BIG fights... and almost all the time, it doesn't look pretty, because your actually fighting someone worth fighting for.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

'El Finito' was and is amazing to watch never get tired of watching his fights.
Single handedly 1 of the BEST, if not the best technicians of all time.....

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

He has some decent names on the resume,not instantaneoulsy recognisable but good skilled fighter. Finito has awesome technique and is HIGHLY under rated,due to his the weight he fought at? His fights with ALvarez were awesome examples of great boxing,jabs,comboc,defence everything Great fighter,deserves it.CC for the news although bro,I don't think we are allowed to post articles anymore,I think the rule is to just post the link?

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IMO, he has the best names that were available at the time. You also got to keep in mind that in the lower weight classes you could have about 6 fights and already by challenging for a title. Now this doesn't mean your to green or it doesn't mean you've learned faster then others. Not sure excatly why but thats just the way it is... Thats why you see a handfull of Lopez opponents with about 20 fights or so on their records... Take for example right now....

Eagle Kyowa 17-1
Pornsawan Kratingdaenggym 17-0
Katsunari Takayama 18-2
Nobuo Nashiro 9-0
Koki Kameda 12-0

All good fighters some better then others but they are at the top at the moment... So thats who you gotta fight. I mean he won the WBC/WBA & WBO titles. 'Nene' Sanchez was no push over at that time... IMO and neither was 'El Buffalo' both very good fighters at that time....

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Class post,very well illurstated points and a well deserved cool click!

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Originally Posted by Gyrokai

Actually.... I have to agree. This kid is wAAAAAAYYYY overrated.

He's overrated in that, everybody says he's underrated.

Hall of Fame credentials, yes. 1st Ballot? Helll no! You gotta be kidding me.

An "O" with no real bad*ss fighter on his resume. haha

Doesn't impress me. Just another man who displays skills... and there are plenty of them.

A real 1st Ballot goes balls out and risks his "O" with BIG fights... and almost all the time, it doesn't look pretty, because your actually fighting someone worth fighting for.

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Totally disagree,I mean if one was to teach a kid how to box,El Finito would be the textbook fighter to use and as Mick pointed out so well in his post,he fought the dangermen in his time. I mean his last fights were against a younger,stronger and I think unbeaten guy(Rosendo Alvarez) and Lopez still won!

"Finito's" record speaks for itself!

Ricardo Lopez, contrary to common thought, is actually very well known among the Mexican community. I've seen him fight too. JMM fights just like him, no surprise either, if you know the behind the scenes. wink-wink

He has the skills to be a first ballot hall of famer, but he doesn't have the resume of a first ballot.

Alvarez is his biggest fight, and that kid had what? 20 fights coming into the ring with Finito.

Carbajal, THATS a name. Going up against a bigger man, THATS an accomplishment. And it's accomplishments, not an "O" that makes 1st Ballot Hall of Famers.

Ricardo Lopez is one of the greatest fighters I ever saw. His weight never mattered to me

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Originally Posted by Gyrokai

Ricardo Lopez, contrary to common thought, is actually very well known among the Mexican community. I've seen him fight too. JMM fights just like him, no surprise either, if you know the behind the scenes. wink-wink

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Oh! HELL NO!!!
I'm sorry BUT not even the very skilled JMM was near the skill level of Lopez. Not sure how much you've seen Lopez but JMM, no...
The only other fighters that come to mind is Pernell without the squatting style/legs apart OR 'Iron Boy' Calderon but with more crack! in his punches.
(No pun intended, with the usage of Pernell & the word crack in the same sentence :P )

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Originally Posted by Gyrokai

He has the skills to be a first ballot hall of famer, but he doesn't have the resume of a first ballot.

Alvarez is his biggest fight, and that kid had what? 20 fights coming into the ring with Finito.

Carbajal, THATS a name. Going up against a bigger man, THATS an accomplishment. And it's accomplishments, not an "O" that makes 1st Ballot Hall of Famers.

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I see where your coming from, but as I said he fought the toughest people around at that time. In the Minimumweight class, I'll tell you what this is the best way to see what was going on back then go to Lopez record and trace back the belts he won, meaning who he won them from and who THEY won them from look at the people see if you recognize someone and look at their records... You will see that at that time the people he fought were the best around. He challenged for titles, he moved up in weight.

And I have said this many times before and I'll say it again the second they let Barry McGuigan in the BHOF they have just about let everybody in. IMO

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

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Originally Posted by Gyrokai

Ricardo Lopez, contrary to common thought, is actually very well known among the Mexican community. I've seen him fight too. JMM fights just like him, no surprise either, if you know the behind the scenes. wink-wink

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Oh! HELL NO!!!
I'm sorry BUT not even the very skilled JMM was near the skill level of Lopez. Not sure how much you've seen Lopez but JMM, no...
The only other fighters that come to mind is Pernell without the squatting style/legs apart OR 'Iron Boy' Calderon but with more crack! in his punches.
(No pun intended, with the usage of Pernell & the word crack in the same sentence :P )

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Originally Posted by Gyrokai

He has the skills to be a first ballot hall of famer, but he doesn't have the resume of a first ballot.

Alvarez is his biggest fight, and that kid had what? 20 fights coming into the ring with Finito.

Carbajal, THATS a name. Going up against a bigger man, THATS an accomplishment. And it's accomplishments, not an "O" that makes 1st Ballot Hall of Famers.

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I see where your coming from, but as I said he fought the toughest people around at that time. In the Minimumweight class, I'll tell you what this is the best way to see what was going on back then go to Lopez record and trace back the belts he won, meaning who he won them from and who THEY won them from look at the people see if you recognize someone and look at their records... You will see that at that time the people he fought were the best around. He challenged for titles, he moved up in weight.

And I have said this many times before and I'll say it again the second they let Barry McGuigan in the BHOF they have just about let everybody in. IMO

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"Oh! Hell NO!" hahah :D cc in 24
I know where your going at man. I understand what your trying to say.
You guys beat me. :( I have to admit. Ricardo 1st Ballot Hall of Famer. 8)

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Originally Posted by Gyrokai

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

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Originally Posted by Gyrokai

Ricardo Lopez, contrary to common thought, is actually very well known among the Mexican community. I've seen him fight too. JMM fights just like him, no surprise either, if you know the behind the scenes. wink-wink

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Oh! HELL NO!!!
I'm sorry BUT not even the very skilled JMM was near the skill level of Lopez. Not sure how much you've seen Lopez but JMM, no...
The only other fighters that come to mind is Pernell without the squatting style/legs apart OR 'Iron Boy' Calderon but with more crack! in his punches.
(No pun intended, with the usage of Pernell & the word crack in the same sentence :P )

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Originally Posted by Gyrokai

He has the skills to be a first ballot hall of famer, but he doesn't have the resume of a first ballot.

Alvarez is his biggest fight, and that kid had what? 20 fights coming into the ring with Finito.

Carbajal, THATS a name. Going up against a bigger man, THATS an accomplishment. And it's accomplishments, not an "O" that makes 1st Ballot Hall of Famers.

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I see where your coming from, but as I said he fought the toughest people around at that time. In the Minimumweight class, I'll tell you what this is the best way to see what was going on back then go to Lopez record and trace back the belts he won, meaning who he won them from and who THEY won them from look at the people see if you recognize someone and look at their records... You will see that at that time the people he fought were the best around. He challenged for titles, he moved up in weight.

And I have said this many times before and I'll say it again the second they let Barry McGuigan in the BHOF they have just about let everybody in. IMO

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"Oh! Hell NO!" hahah :D cc in 24
I know where your going at man. I understand what your trying to say.
You guys beat me. :( I have to admit. Ricardo 1st Ballot Hall of Famer. 8)

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cc# 290...
Funny that we could all some how argue the shet! out of eachother here but don't let the women in our lives tell us something cause all of a sudden we become hypnotized and we can't argue for shit!! ;D

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Funny that we could all some how argue the shet! out of eachother here but don't let the women in our lives tell us something cause all of a sudden we become hypnotized and we can't argue for S***!! ;D

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"Fo shoooo"

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Originally Posted by Gyrokai

Actually.... I have to agree. This kid is wAAAAAAYYYY overrated.

He's overrated in that, everybody says he's underrated.

Hall of Fame credentials, yes. 1st Ballot? Helll no! You gotta be kidding me.

An "O" with no real bad*ss fighter on his resume. haha

Doesn't impress me. Just another man who displays skills... and there are plenty of them.

A real 1st Ballot goes balls out and risks his "O" with BIG fights... and almost all the time, it doesn't look pretty, because your actually fighting someone worth fighting for.

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I disagree. It's not right to punish somebody by history. Like Bert Sugar said. People have the wrong idea of what makes a fighter great and punishes them by history. Just because you don't see an all time great on his list doesn't mean he fougth everyone that those weight classes had to offer. And if you dominate an entire division for over 10 years then it doesn't matter if you have that one GREAT fight.. just because nobody came along to truly challenge you doesn't make you any less great.

So don't punish a fighter by history. You can if you can name 5 great fighters he should have fought and didn't.

for some he reminds me of the khosai galaxy of his generation. great fighter but never the first person youd mention in a boxing conversation

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Originally Posted by Gyrokai

Actually.... I have to agree. This kid is wAAAAAAYYYY overrated.

He's overrated in that, everybody says he's underrated.

Hall of Fame credentials, yes. 1st Ballot? Helll no! You gotta be kidding me.

An "O" with no real bad*ss fighter on his resume. haha

Doesn't impress me. Just another man who displays skills... and there are plenty of them.

A real 1st Ballot goes balls out and risks his "O" with BIG fights... and almost all the time, it doesn't look pretty, because your actually fighting someone worth fighting for.

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It's a well deserved position it's not him being overrated or anything like that he was just the best in his weight class and there was no 1 who could beat him simple as that

all time great for sure maybe best lighter fighter ever

Who wins a Lopez-Carbajal fight?

Carbajal would have been dangerous but personally I'd have favored Ricardo.