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I say a prime Iran Barkley at 160 woulda kicked Taylor's ass how bout yall?
Iran "The Blade" Barkley would have ripped Jermain Taylor's heart out and shown it to him IMO. Taylor can't take pressure very well and Barkley would have brought it. Now Iran was no HOF at 160 or All time great, but he was a tuff, rugged, good, pressure fighter with some pop. I think he KO's Jermain in bout 7 rounds, how about you?
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Hmm...Actually IMO Barkley was over rated all around...Most of his hype was based on his wins over Hearns...He was an easy guy to figure out and Manny Stewered would do that for Taylor and lay down the blue print...I said it before and will again your corner man is as important if not as important as the fighter...EG all the times Dundee guided Ali out of trouble...Steward would tell Taylor what to do and all Jermain would have to is follow it for the dec
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Hmm...Actually IMO Barkley was over rated all around...Most of his hype was based on his wins over Hearns...He was an easy guy to figure out and Manny Stewered would do that for Taylor and lay down the blue print...I said it before and will again your corner man is as important if not as important as the fighter...EG all the times Dundee guided Ali out of trouble...Steward would tell Taylor what to do and all Jermain would have to is follow it for the dec
i dont think so mate he beat hearns twice and in my opinion should of got the decision against duran the only thing for me is that he got destroyed by benn in 1st round even though he had been in trouble in that round
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Well i actually think Taylor is underated. He is only going to get better aswell, ok he wasnt THAT impressive against Ouma, but he still got the job done against a tough lil bastard! Cant forget he took 2 defensive masters to 3 VERY close fights (win/lose or draw still great fight from Taylor). Taylor decision.
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Iran "The Blade" Barkley would have ripped Jermain Taylor's heart out and shown it to him IMO. Taylor can't take pressure very well and Barkley would have brought it. Now Iran was no HOF at 160 or All time great, but he was a tuff, rugged, good, pressure fighter with some pop. I think he KO's Jermain in bout 7 rounds, how about you?
barlkey would ko taylor a lot quicker than 7....JT's got nothing on the blade ;D
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is it just me or does any other people think barkley won fight vs duran aswell ??
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is it just me or does any other people think barkley won fight vs duran aswell ??
Just you. Duran earned it. And I think Taylor's jab would rip open all the scar tissue around Barkley's eyes forcing a mid round stoppage
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Just you I think - it was a close fight but Duran won especially with the knockdown, I've done a round by round report somewhere, i'll dig it out and post it.
I've seen this fight on numerous occasions - it's one of my fav fights of all-time.
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is it just me or does any other people think barkley won fight vs duran aswell ??
Just you. Duran earned it. And I think Taylor's jab would rip open all the scar tissue around Barkley's eyes forcing a mid round stoppage
i thought barkley won quite alot of early rounds duran knocked him down in 11th but if i remember right ill have to watch it again barkley won 12 th round and in my eyes that was enough i think american commentators thought barkley won aswell
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Just you I think - it was a close fight but Duran won especially with the knockdown, I've done a round by round report somewhere, i'll dig it out and post it.
I've seen this fight on numerous occasions - it's one of my fav fights of all-time.
yea mate cracking fight i uploaded full fight on youtube bro
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is it just me or does any other people think barkley won fight vs duran aswell ??
Just you. Duran earned it. And I think Taylor's jab would rip open all the scar tissue around Barkley's eyes forcing a mid round stoppage
i thought barkley won quite alot of early rounds duran knocked him down in 11th but if i remember right ill have to watch it again barkley won 12 th round and in my eyes that was enough i think american commentators thought barkley won aswell
I could make a case for Barkley winning. Either way I don't think many people had a problem with Duran winning. That knock down was huge. It might of left a lasting impression on the judges
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is it just me or does any other people think barkley won fight vs duran aswell ??
Just you. Duran earned it. And I think Taylor's jab would rip open all the scar tissue around Barkley's eyes forcing a mid round stoppage
i thought barkley won quite alot of early rounds duran knocked him down in 11th but if i remember right ill have to watch it again barkley won 12 th round and in my eyes that was enough i think american commentators thought barkley won aswell
I could make a case for Barkley winning. Either way I don't think many people had a problem with Duran winning. That knock down was huge. It might of left a lasting impression on the judges
i had no problem with it mate it was close fight and yes i agree knockdown probably did leave lasting impression even though i had barkley winning it was great fight and duran done extremely well especially that left hook he took in 8 th round i think it was that hook almost turned his head right around i dont know how he stood up
and i also agree with taylor winning on cut stoppage barkleys weakness was that he cut very easily look at hearns fight only after 2 rounds he had cuts on both eyes if i remember right
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Re: I say a prime Iran Barkley at 160 woulda kicked Taylor's a** how bout yall?
Taylor wins on cuts inside 4 rounds no probs.
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is it just me or does any other people think barkley won fight vs duran aswell ??
Just you. Duran earned it. And I think Taylor's jab would rip open all the scar tissue around Barkley's eyes forcing a mid round stoppage
i thought barkley won quite alot of early rounds duran knocked him down in 11th but if i remember right ill have to watch it again barkley won 12 th round and in my eyes that was enough i think american commentators thought barkley won aswell
I could make a case for Barkley winning. Either way I don't think many people had a problem with Duran winning. That knock down was huge. It might of left a lasting impression on the judges
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is it just me or does any other people think barkley won fight vs duran aswell ??
Just you. Duran earned it. And I think Taylor's jab would rip open all the scar tissue around Barkley's eyes forcing a mid round stoppage
i thought barkley won quite alot of early rounds duran knocked him down in 11th but if i remember right ill have to watch it again barkley won 12 th round and in my eyes that was enough i think american commentators thought barkley won aswell
I could make a case for Barkley winning. Either way I don't think many people had a problem with Duran winning. That knock down was huge. It might of left a lasting impression on the judges
i had no problem with it mate it was close fight and yes i agree knockdown probably did leave lasting impression even though i had barkley winning it was great fight and duran done extremely well especially that left hook he took in 8 th round i think it was that hook almost turned his head right around i dont know how he stood up
and i also agree with taylor winning on cut stoppage barkleys weakness was that he cut very easily look at hearns fight only after 2 rounds he had cuts on both eyes if i remember right
Most definately, Duran nearly took Barkley's head off in the first round, but yes the knockdown done it!
And all this at age 37!
Unbelievable.
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Taylor wins on cuts inside 4 rounds no probs.
dont be a sheep!..stop following the crowd ,if u really believe taylor would stop prime barkley inside for rds without a problem then your delousional
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Taylor is a big middleweight, good boxing skills, decent power (but nothing special) ........ but I just don't think his heart is in it. He does not want to dominate his opponent ot knock them out and just seems to look for the easy way through to a points win.
I don't mean to put the guy down, because he seems to be a decent man, but to get where he has got to without seeming to be passionate about, or even enjoying, the fighting aspects, he must be very talented indeed. Unfortunately, he seems to be a poor man's Michael Nunn so far.
Because he is big, I think he is very tight at the weight and someone like Barkley would not have given him a second's respite.
Imagine what he could be like if he was a nasty mofo. ???
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I like some of these posts, funny, very funny. ;D Tear up the scar tissue on Barkley's eyes? Man that is something a true champion would do huh? Takes a big man to pick at a cut for a stoppage, right? And James Toney, who is an actual fighter not phoney like Taylor, and a much bigger puncher than Taylor, took a bit longer than 4 rounds to stop a slightly past his best Iran, so how the fuk would Taylor stop him in 4 rounds? Give me a break. Barkley KO's him IMO.
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Iran "The Blade" Barkley would have ripped Jermain Taylor's heart out and shown it to him IMO. Taylor can't take pressure very well and Barkley would have brought it. Now Iran was no HOF at 160 or All time great, but he was a tuff, rugged, good, pressure fighter with some pop. I think he KO's Jermain in bout 7 rounds, how about you?
I think you are overlooking just how good Taylor is....This could be a great fight!!!!
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Iran "The Blade" Barkley would have ripped Jermain Taylor's heart out and shown it to him IMO. Taylor can't take pressure very well and Barkley would have brought it. Now Iran was no HOF at 160 or All time great, but he was a tuff, rugged, good, pressure fighter with some pop. I think he KO's Jermain in bout 7 rounds, how about you?
I think you are overlooking just how good Taylor is....This could be a great fight!!!!
Nah. He's pretty good, third best in the world. Behind the two men that beat him, B-hop and Winky. He's been given the belt, Barkley had to take it by force against Hearns, then lose it Duran, but hey, Duran is a legend. Taylor would be stopped IMO, I'd gurantee it. His constant holding and mediocre power wouldn't save him, his chin would keep him in there till the middle rounds, but not much longer IMO.
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Iran Barkley was not a world class beater, he has been beaten many times in his career...
But his swarming tactics may really unsettle Taylor and it would be a war, Taylor can't afford to go backwards because Iran is just too dangerous.
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Iran Barkley was not a world class beater, he has been beaten many times in his career...
But his swarming tactics may really unsettle Taylor and it would be a war, Taylor can't afford to go backwards because Iran is just too dangerous.
I know he was beaten many times, losing his last 6 straight fights....at Heavy weight!!! And many of those losses came when he was very much past his prime. He did have about 8 losses when he faced Toney at SMW. Believe me he had enuff to beat Taylor, ya don't have to be a world beater to beat Jermain Taylor, just a good, power punching, pressure fighter like Barkley.
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Re: I say a prime Iran Barkley at 160 woulda kicked Taylor's a** how bout yall?
No way Taylor is way too talented for him... Barkley didn't have what it takes to beat a guy like Taylor who will be an ATG.
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Re: I say a prime Iran Barkley at 160 woulda kicked Taylor's a** how bout yall?
I tend to agree. Taylor's style of landing but taking punches would work in Iran Barkley's favor. Iran would hit him and knock him out. Taylor is a warrior and with a guy like Iran that hurts people. Iran likes to go to war and his punches are awkward. Remember that second fight with Hearns?? Iran and Tommy beat each other to a pulp.. Hearns had a broken nose and Iran had a 2 broken ribs after the fight. Both guys had guts but it still favored Iran since that was his fight, not Tommys
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I tend to agree. Taylor's style of landing but taking punches would work in Iran Barkley's favor. Iran would hit him and knock him out. Taylor is a warrior and with a guy like Iran that hurts people. Iran likes to go to war and his punches are awkward. Remember that second fight with Hearns?? Iran and Tommy beat each other to a pulp.. Hearns had a broken nose and Iran had a 2 broken ribs after the fight. Both guys had guts but it still favored Iran since that was his fight, not Tommys
Taylor...a warrior.... ;D ;D ;D ::**
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yeah Taylor is a warrior but sometimes when a great fighter like Hearns or a maybe great like Taylor have too much heart, then they abandon their skills. And Hearns did this many times. Had Hearns had the Roy Jones mentality, he could have bored us for 10 years the way Roy Jones did. Instead Tommy made exciting fights for 20 years.
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yeah Taylor is a warrior but sometimes when a great fighter like Hearns or a maybe great like Taylor have too much heart, then they abandon their skills. And Hearns did this many times. Had Hearns had the Roy Jones mentality, he could have bored us for 10 years the way Roy Jones did. Instead Tommy made exciting fights for 20 years.
Shut up. You mean if Hearns had the TALENT that Roy had, he could have dominated world class opponents for years like Roy did. Taylor is a phoney, who was wrongly given the title, and should not be mentioned in the same breat as Tommy Hearns, let alone Roy Jones Jr.
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no I mean if Hearns wanted to bore us the way Jones did we could have been bored, but as it happened Tommy Hearns goes down with historical fights which will live in fistic history. Tommy outboxed Virgil Hill and the great Wilfred Benitez... He outpunched Cueves and Duran. fought a classic fight with Hagler. What did Jones do? Beat Ruiz at heavyweight? A guy who was the worst heavyweight champ in the division who was stopped in record time by Tua?? Yeah good accomplishment.. Skills? The guy was fast but he did not try and excite. So he will go down as a rather boring fighter. Hearns wont. Hearns will live more in boxing history.
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no I mean if Hearns wanted to bore us the way Jones did we could have been bored, but as it happened Tommy Hearns goes down with historical fights which will live in fistic history. Tommy outboxed Virgil Hill and the great Wilfred Benitez... He outpunched Cueves and Duran. fought a classic fight with Hagler. What did Jones do? Beat Ruiz at heavyweight? A guy who was the worst heavyweight champ in the division who was stopped in record time by Tua?? Yeah good accomplishment.. Skills? The guy was fast but he did not try and excite. So he will go down as a rather boring fighter. Hearns wont. Hearns will live more in boxing history.
Yeah Hearns was exciting all right but he was KO'd by SRL, who wasn't half the great boxer Roy was, and was iced by Iran Barkley and Marvin Hagler. Roy Jones was damn exciting I dunno what you are talking bout. Ever see a guy put both hands behind his back then leap in with a left hook and knock down a world class LH? Roy did. Roy dominated a prime Toney, dropping him and showboating the whole time. Oh and the Virgil Hill who Tommy outboxed, yeah, Roy took him out in 4 with a wicked body shot. Come on! Roy was 10 times the fighter Taylor is, and won his titles legit, all four of em. O0
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Saying Ray Leonard was not half the boxer Roy Jones is shows how you favor Roy Jones. Ray Leonard is one of the top 5-10 pound for pound boxers of all time. Roy is not near that and Roy never had a great fight and you cannot tell me he did. That is the problem with Roy Jones Jr. He wanted to win the fights but not excite the crowd, and not having that great fight in his resume will mean that in 10 years people will mention him and then move on. No clips and not much to talk about. Who cares if a guy puts both hands behind his back against lower quality opposition. I would rather have seen Jones give us a great fight and taking on better quality than that Frazier guy or Harding. That is why a guy like Oscar Delahoya will go down better than Roy. He fought the best guys he could and he has them on his resume. So does Hearns. Roy fought alot of contenders, but never wanted the big challenge. Roy won his titles legit? Ruiz was a case of handpicking a heavyweight who was slow and predictable. Roy was not usually hit with his hit and run tactic, so if a heavyweight was going to hit Roy and stop him, it would not be Ruiz.. Ruiz gave Toney and Jones the chance to be heavyweight champions. Saying Ruiz is a champion to me is a stretch when you got guys like Holmes who had held that title. Roy was a good fighter who near wanted to fight the cream of the crop and found ways out of fighting them by overpricing himself and making excuses, but then he would fight lower tier guys and put both hands behind his back. I was never impressed. Hearns knocking out Duran was impressive. Hagler stopping Hearns was impressive. Jones going the distance with Gonzales was not.
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Saying Ray Leonard was not half the boxer Roy Jones is shows how you favor Roy Jones. Ray Leonard is one of the top 5-10 pound for pound boxers of all time. Roy is not near that and Roy never had a great fight and you cannot tell me he did. That is the problem with Roy Jones Jr. He wanted to win the fights but not excite the crowd, and not having that great fight in his resume will mean that in 10 years people will mention him and then move on. No clips and not much to talk about. Who cares if a guy puts both hands behind his back against lower quality opposition. I would rather have seen Jones give us a great fight and taking on better quality than that Frazier guy or Harding. That is why a guy like Oscar Delahoya will go down better than Roy. He fought the best guys he could and he has them on his resume. So does Hearns. Roy fought alot of contenders, but never wanted the big challenge. Roy won his titles legit? Ruiz was a case of handpicking a heavyweight who was slow and predictable. Roy was not usually hit with his hit and run tactic, so if a heavyweight was going to hit Roy and stop him, it would not be Ruiz.. Ruiz gave Toney and Jones the chance to be heavyweight champions. Saying Ruiz is a champion to me is a stretch when you got guys like Holmes who had held that title. Roy was a good fighter who near wanted to fight the cream of the crop and found ways out of fighting them by overpricing himself and making excuses, but then he would fight lower tier guys and put both hands behind his back. I was never impressed. Hearns knocking out Duran was impressive. Hagler stopping Hearns was impressive. Jones going the distance with Gonzales was not.
Well said, I agree with you thoughts on Roy Jones Jnr and his legacy, plesae accept a cool click for that, I posted the below on another topic and it's along the same sort of lines.
Interesting, considering Hagler done his work at Middleweight and Jones Jnr moved up to … well eventually Heavyweight it’s as I say interesting.
But no, I’m confident Hagler would beat Jones Jnr and it would go to points.
Consider this, Jones didn’t really lose an awful lot of speed as he moved up the weight divisions but at the same time his power didn’t increase much either. Based on these two meeting at Middleweight you would have to say Jones would be lightning quick and would utilise his power best at this sort of weight, but I’ve always said it and I’ll say it again – I think Jones is an incredible fighter and one of the best in the modern generation, but not an all time great,
I think his fight against Ruiz goes along way to summing up his career, he fought a very average fighter and looked fantastic beating him and won the WBA Heavyweight belt.
He’s never fought anybody of the calibre of Hagler, yes he fought Toney but he’s not in the same league as Hagler, the only real name is Hopkins, but that’s not enough because Hopkins is like a fine wine, he got better with age.
So I have to go with Hagler UD over 15 rounds and close decision over 12 rounds.
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Saying Ray Leonard was not half the boxer Roy Jones is shows how you favor Roy Jones. Ray Leonard is one of the top 5-10 pound for pound boxers of all time. Roy is not near that and Roy never had a great fight and you cannot tell me he did. That is the problem with Roy Jones Jr. He wanted to win the fights but not excite the crowd, and not having that great fight in his resume will mean that in 10 years people will mention him and then move on. No clips and not much to talk about. Who cares if a guy puts both hands behind his back against lower quality opposition. I would rather have seen Jones give us a great fight and taking on better quality than that Frazier guy or Harding. That is why a guy like Oscar Delahoya will go down better than Roy. He fought the best guys he could and he has them on his resume. So does Hearns. Roy fought alot of contenders, but never wanted the big challenge. Roy won his titles legit? Ruiz was a case of handpicking a heavyweight who was slow and predictable. Roy was not usually hit with his hit and run tactic, so if a heavyweight was going to hit Roy and stop him, it would not be Ruiz.. Ruiz gave Toney and Jones the chance to be heavyweight champions. Saying Ruiz is a champion to me is a stretch when you got guys like Holmes who had held that title. Roy was a good fighter who near wanted to fight the cream of the crop and found ways out of fighting them by overpricing himself and making excuses, but then he would fight lower tier guys and put both hands behind his back. I was never impressed. Hearns knocking out Duran was impressive. Hagler stopping Hearns was impressive. Jones going the distance with Gonzales was not.
Well said, I agree with you thoughts on Roy Jones Jnr and his legacy, plesae accept a cool click for that, I posted the below on another topic and it's along the same sort of lines.
Interesting, considering Hagler done his work at Middleweight and Jones Jnr moved up to … well eventually Heavyweight it’s as I say interesting.
But no, I’m confident Hagler would beat Jones Jnr and it would go to points.
Consider this, Jones didn’t really lose an awful lot of speed as he moved up the weight divisions but at the same time his power didn’t increase much either. Based on these two meeting at Middleweight you would have to say Jones would be lightning quick and would utilise his power best at this sort of weight, but I’ve always said it and I’ll say it again – I think Jones is an incredible fighter and one of the best in the modern generation, but not an all time great,
I think his fight against Ruiz goes along way to summing up his career, he fought a very average fighter and looked fantastic beating him and won the WBA Heavyweight belt.
He’s never fought anybody of the calibre of Hagler, yes he fought Toney but he’s not in the same league as Hagler, the only real name is Hopkins, but that’s not enough because Hopkins is like a fine wine, he got better with age.
So I have to go with Hagler UD over 15 rounds and close decision over 12 rounds.
virgil hill and montel griffin reggie johnson ?? who floored toney and lost close decision 3 good fighters right there roy jones fought quality opps maybe sometimes might not of been the best but name me one boxer who fought great fighter in every title defence except ali of course :P
plus out of 51 fights reggie johnson was never dominated even in his decision losses they were all pretty close only man to dominate him was roy jones i think people forget roy jones did fight quite alot of quality opps hell even clinton woods was good name on his record aswell
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Saying Ray Leonard was not half the boxer Roy Jones is shows how you favor Roy Jones. Ray Leonard is one of the top 5-10 pound for pound boxers of all time. Roy is not near that and Roy never had a great fight and you cannot tell me he did. That is the problem with Roy Jones Jr. He wanted to win the fights but not excite the crowd, and not having that great fight in his resume will mean that in 10 years people will mention him and then move on. No clips and not much to talk about. Who cares if a guy puts both hands behind his back against lower quality opposition. I would rather have seen Jones give us a great fight and taking on better quality than that Frazier guy or Harding. That is why a guy like Oscar Delahoya will go down better than Roy. He fought the best guys he could and he has them on his resume. So does Hearns. Roy fought alot of contenders, but never wanted the big challenge. Roy won his titles legit? Ruiz was a case of handpicking a heavyweight who was slow and predictable. Roy was not usually hit with his hit and run tactic, so if a heavyweight was going to hit Roy and stop him, it would not be Ruiz.. Ruiz gave Toney and Jones the chance to be heavyweight champions. Saying Ruiz is a champion to me is a stretch when you got guys like Holmes who had held that title. Roy was a good fighter who near wanted to fight the cream of the crop and found ways out of fighting them by overpricing himself and making excuses, but then he would fight lower tier guys and put both hands behind his back. I was never impressed. Hearns knocking out Duran was impressive. Hagler stopping Hearns was impressive. Jones going the distance with Gonzales was not.
My sentiments exactly.
Have a Christmas coolclick
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Saying Ray Leonard was not half the boxer Roy Jones is shows how you favor Roy Jones. Ray Leonard is one of the top 5-10 pound for pound boxers of all time. Roy is not near that and Roy never had a great fight and you cannot tell me he did. That is the problem with Roy Jones Jr. He wanted to win the fights but not excite the crowd, and not having that great fight in his resume will mean that in 10 years people will mention him and then move on. No clips and not much to talk about. Who cares if a guy puts both hands behind his back against lower quality opposition. I would rather have seen Jones give us a great fight and taking on better quality than that Frazier guy or Harding. That is why a guy like Oscar Delahoya will go down better than Roy. He fought the best guys he could and he has them on his resume. So does Hearns. Roy fought alot of contenders, but never wanted the big challenge. Roy won his titles legit? Ruiz was a case of handpicking a heavyweight who was slow and predictable. Roy was not usually hit with his hit and run tactic, so if a heavyweight was going to hit Roy and stop him, it would not be Ruiz.. Ruiz gave Toney and Jones the chance to be heavyweight champions. Saying Ruiz is a champion to me is a stretch when you got guys like Holmes who had held that title. Roy was a good fighter who near wanted to fight the cream of the crop and found ways out of fighting them by overpricing himself and making excuses, but then he would fight lower tier guys and put both hands behind his back. I was never impressed. Hearns knocking out Duran was impressive. Hagler stopping Hearns was impressive. Jones going the distance with Gonzales was not.
Well said, I agree with you thoughts on Roy Jones Jnr and his legacy, plesae accept a cool click for that, I posted the below on another topic and it's along the same sort of lines.
Interesting, considering Hagler done his work at Middleweight and Jones Jnr moved up to … well eventually Heavyweight it’s as I say interesting.
But no, I’m confident Hagler would beat Jones Jnr and it would go to points.
Consider this, Jones didn’t really lose an awful lot of speed as he moved up the weight divisions but at the same time his power didn’t increase much either. Based on these two meeting at Middleweight you would have to say Jones would be lightning quick and would utilise his power best at this sort of weight, but I’ve always said it and I’ll say it again – I think Jones is an incredible fighter and one of the best in the modern generation, but not an all time great,
I think his fight against Ruiz goes along way to summing up his career, he fought a very average fighter and looked fantastic beating him and won the WBA Heavyweight belt.
He’s never fought anybody of the calibre of Hagler, yes he fought Toney but he’s not in the same league as Hagler, the only real name is Hopkins, but that’s not enough because Hopkins is like a fine wine, he got better with age.
So I have to go with Hagler UD over 15 rounds and close decision over 12 rounds.
virgil hill and montel griffin reggie johnson ?? who floored toney and lost close decision 3 good fighters right there roy jones fought quality opps maybe sometimes might not of been the best but name me one boxer who fought great fighter in every title defence except ali of course :P
plus out of 51 fights reggie johnson was never dominated even in his decision losses they were all pretty close only man to dominate him was roy jones i think people forget roy jones did fight quite alot of quality opps hell even clinton woods was good name on his record aswell
Forget it, its just stupid haters, hatin on Roy as usual. Jones woulda embaressed Leonard before knocking him out. Did Roy ever get a gift decision, or ever need to? Nope. Did Ray? Yeah, on more than one occassion. Jones dominated James Toney who is as good as anyone SRL ever faced IMO, with the possible exception of a prime Duran. This thread ain't bout Jones, anyhow, but you guys seem to insist on making it about him. He was the greatest boxer P4P ever IMO.
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Re: I say a prime Iran Barkley at 160 woulda kicked Taylor's a** how bout yall?
Forget it, its just stupid haters, hatin on Roy as usual. Jones woulda embaressed Leonard before knocking him out. Did Roy ever get a gift decision, or ever need to? Nope. Did Ray? Yeah, on more than one occassion. Jones dominated James Toney who is as good as anyone SRL ever faced IMO, with the possible exception of a prime Duran. This thread ain't bout Jones, anyhow, but you guys seem to insist on making it about him. He was the greatest boxer P4P ever IMO.
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James Toney might be as good as Hearns and Leonard and Duran and Hagler. But the one thing he lacked which they seemed to have was discipline. So everytime James fights he is either in shape or he isn't and we are supposed to give him excuses when he is not in shape and the excuses work. Actually Duran sometimes gets excuses for being in shape or not. James is as good as those 4 guys I think when he is in shape. But with Jones he was not in shape, which is not Jones fault. But that aside, whether Jones is as good as Hearns and Hagler and Leonard and Duran, he does not have the fights against other great fighters those guys do and the signifies greatness. Hearns and his 3 buddies in the 80s have the fights to showcase the talent. Jones does not.. A few Toney's and Hopkins here and there yet with asteriks like Hopkins was not a great fighter when he fought him, and Hill was over the Hill when he fought him, and Toney was weakened. Those other guys were in events. That is my point. Events mean something, Jones was in fights, but not the epic fights they had. That is why ALi's era and SRL era is so remembered. And to say Jones would knock out Ray Leonard is ridiculous. What SRL are we talking about? The one in 1981 or the one in 1990? 1990 SRL vs the 1996 Roy Jones he would lose to Roy I am sure. But prime vs prime SRL vs Roy and I think SRL wins the fight by stoppage or UD.
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Forget it, its just stupid haters, hatin on Roy as usual. Jones woulda embaressed Leonard before knocking him out. Did Roy ever get a gift decision, or ever need to? Nope. Did Ray? Yeah, on more than one occassion. Jones dominated James Toney who is as good as anyone SRL ever faced IMO, with the possible exception of a prime Duran. This thread ain't bout Jones, anyhow, but you guys seem to insist on making it about him. He was the greatest boxer P4P ever IMO.
James Toney might be as good as Hearns and Leonard and Duran and Hagler. But the one thing he lacked which they seemed to have was discipline. So everytime James fights he is either in shape or he isn't and we are supposed to give him excuses when he is not in shape and the excuses work. Actually Duran sometimes gets excuses for being in shape or not. James is as good as those 4 guys I think when he is in shape. But with Jones he was not in shape, which is not Jones fault. But that aside, whether Jones is as good as Hearns and Hagler and Leonard and Duran, he does not have the fights against other great fighters those guys do and the signifies greatness. Hearns and his 3 buddies in the 80s have the fights to showcase the talent. Jones does not.. A few Toney's and Hopkins here and there yet with asteriks like Hopkins was not a great fighter when he fought him, and Hill was over the Hill when he fought him, and Toney was weakened. Those other guys were in events. That is my point. Events mean something, Jones was in fights, but not the epic fights they had. That is why ALi's era and SRL era is so remembered. And to say Jones would knock out Ray Leonard is ridiculous. What SRL are we talking about? The one in 1981 or the one in 1990? 1990 SRL vs the 1996 Roy Jones he would lose to Roy I am sure. But prime vs prime SRL vs Roy and I think SRL wins the fight by stoppage or UD.
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Prime for Prime of course. Its ridicilous to think SRL would have much of a chance of beating Roy Jones. Jones was faster, more talented, and more powerful. He would have outboxed SRL, and if not stopped him, put him on the seat of his pants a couple of times. Jones would have handled Leonard as easily as Leonard woulda handled PBF, damn easily.
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Re: I say a prime Iran Barkley at 160 woulda kicked Taylor's a** how bout yall?
ridiculous to think what? Roy never beat the guys Leonard did. Roy never beat fighters like Hearns. Hagler,Duran and Benitez. Roy just does not have the resume. Sad but true. Arguing about who is better between Ali and Leonard is understand. but Roy Jones vs. Ray? Jones had talent but did not fight the best guys.. , but you and I both know that Roy never fought enough good fighters to be regarded as better than Sugar Ray Leonard.
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Re: I say a prime Iran Barkley at 160 woulda kicked Taylor's ass how bout yall?
No way, JTs too skilled for someone like Iran. Most of Irans talk comes from his win over Hearns but thats about it, Duran whoope'd his ass and Benn finished him off.
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No way, JTs too skilled for someone like Iran. Most of Irans talk comes from his win over Hearns but thats about it, Duran whoope'd his a** and Benn finished him off.
duran didnt whoop him that was very close fight that could of gone either way in my opinion anyway bro
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ridiculous to think what? Roy never beat the guys Leonard did. Roy never beat fighters like Hearns. Hagler,Duran and Benitez. Roy just does not have the resume. Sad but true. Arguing about who is better between Ali and Leonard is understand. but Roy Jones vs. Ray? Jones had talent but did not fight the best guys.. , but you and I both know that Roy never fought enough good fighters to be regarded as better than Sugar Ray Leonard.
Who didn't he fight? What great legends did he duck? Benn, Eubank? ;D ::**
You and I both know they didn't stand a chance. Dunno why you love Leonard so much, he was great, but not as great as Jones.
