This will happen if Calzaghe fought Kessler

Straight from the beginning Kessler will throw more than 100 punches per round. They will all be straight on target and Joe has never seen anything remotely like it (the closest is Reid, but there is still a couple of levels difference). Joe will be frustrated and loose a couple of rounds easily while trying to think, sidestep etc. Then he will try to outsmart himself as he will skip, skittle all over the place in order to find a solution. In the meanwhile Mikkel will open up even more and put on the power. Joe gets caught as he more and more desparately tries to find a solution. Now Joe wants to brawl... however each time he decides to brawl he gets stopped dead in his tracks by some mean punches straight to the face. At this time (mid 4th round) Joe is bleeding from the nose and both eyes are severely swollen.

His father is in schock and instead of asking Joe to survive he urges Joe on. Joe still has a lot of energy left he just cannot finda way to use it. In the 5th round he is a little more successful and hits Kessler a couple of times with a jab of his own. Joe quickly follows up and flurries - Kessler skips back and Joe jumps after him... And the fight is over. Now Joe know why Kessler was called the Hitman. He has done this a gazillion times (just not in his last 7-8 fights because they generally have protected themselves more). An agressive Joe jumps straight into Kessler's oldest tactic. To skip back when in a little "trouble" and hope the opponent follows in order to keep the perceived pressure on. He plants his feet the second he land from the skip and smack!

Joe is looked after by the medical staff and only 4 minutes later Joe is able to stand up and the crowd cheer. Joe has won more from this loss than from all his wins added up ;D

You got that from a joke of a poster on another board..

Or a more interesting deabte, Why does Mikkel Kessler have so many seemingly uneducated fans. ::**

I think your spot on. Them pesky stand up European fighters have been notoriously difficult to work out over the years.

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You got that from a joke of a poster on another board..

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Yes,but i agree with him and i also think this will happen if Calzaghe fought Kessler

Taking a quick look at few of Kesslers opponents

Thobela: Kessler wins UD... BUT Welterweight Geoff McCreesh (Brit) KO'd him in 2
Porras: Kessler wins TKO 9...BUT Carl Froch (Brit) stops him FASTER in 8
Thysse: Kessler wins TKO 11...BUT Brian Magee (Brit) stops him FASTER in 10
Lucas/Beyer: Kessler beats both these old fossils KO...BUT Glenn Catley (Brit) beats both KO in their PRIME!!!

So, Kessler can't even match lesser lights of Brit boxing whats Calzaghe got to worry about?

Oh and lets not forget

TheBlackSuperman: Kessler wins UD...BUT Sven (Powder puff) Ottke KO'd him in 10

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y19...ne_floored.jpg

Kessler can't even KO china chin Mundine but he's gonna KO Calzaghe :biglaugh:

I knew it was coming ;D

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Taking a quick look at few of Kesslers opponents

Thobela: Kessler wins UD... BUT Welterweight Geoff McCreesh (Brit) KO'd him 2
Porras: Kessler wins TKO 9...BUT Carl Froch (Brit) stops him FASTER in 8
Thysse: Kessler wins TKO 11...BUT Brian Magee (Brit) stops him FASTER in 10
Lucas/Beyer: Kessler beats both these old fossils KO...BUT Glenn Catley (Brit) beats both KO in their PRIME!!!

So, Kessler can't even match lesser lights of Brit boxing whats Calzaghe got to worry about?

Oh and lets not forget

TheBlackSuperman: Kessler wins UD...BUT Sven (Powder puff) Ottke KO'd him in 10

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y19...ne_floored.jpg

Kessler can't even KO china chin Mundine but he's gonna KO Calzaghe :biglaugh:

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Yes, but the Kessler fans have been performing sacrifices of spiders and mice to the god of the iron fist to give Kessler superhuman powers. They also eat their own offspring that cannot walk by three months old, and believe that if they have sex standing up, their partners won't get pregnant. Oh yeah, and the world is flat....whatever those pesky astronauts report.... ;)

Only kidding butt.

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I knew it was coming ;D

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Never miss a chance to post me favourite piccy ;D

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Taking a quick look at few of Kesslers opponents

Thobela: Kessler wins UD... BUT Welterweight Geoff McCreesh (Brit) KO'd him 2
Porras: Kessler wins TKO 9...BUT Carl Froch (Brit) stops him FASTER in 8
Thysse: Kessler wins TKO 11...BUT Brian Magee (Brit) stops him FASTER in 10
Lucas/Beyer: Kessler beats both these old fossils KO...BUT Glenn Catley (Brit) beats both KO in their PRIME!!!

So, Kessler can't even match lesser lights of Brit boxing whats Calzaghe got to worry about?

Oh and lets not forget

TheBlackSuperman: Kessler wins UD...BUT Sven (Powder puff) Ottke KO'd him in 10

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y19...ne_floored.jpg

Kessler can't even KO china chin Mundine but he's gonna KO Calzaghe :biglaugh:

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ur an idiot...mundine was fully consious,just to tired to continue,it was only his 10th pro fight and had no amature fights and went in against the ibf champ with very little experiance...and by the way mundine was winning that fight by a mile and i SC u cause of the china chin comment,you oviously havent seen mundine fight and kessler will beat the sh!t out of calzcrappy

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Taking a quick look at few of Kesslers opponents

Thobela: Kessler wins UD... BUT Welterweight Geoff McCreesh (Brit) KO'd him 2
Porras: Kessler wins TKO 9...BUT Carl Froch (Brit) stops him FASTER in 8
Thysse: Kessler wins TKO 11...BUT Brian Magee (Brit) stops him FASTER in 10
Lucas/Beyer: Kessler beats both these old fossils KO...BUT Glenn Catley (Brit) beats both KO in their PRIME!!!

So, Kessler can't even match lesser lights of Brit boxing whats Calzaghe got to worry about?

Oh and lets not forget

TheBlackSuperman: Kessler wins UD...BUT Sven (Powder puff) Ottke KO'd him in 10

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y19...ne_floored.jpg

Kessler can't even KO china chin Mundine but he's gonna KO Calzaghe :biglaugh:

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if ur so sure calzcrappy can beat kessler than why isnt he chasing the fight?if he took it it would give him the respect,the undisputed title and a shit load of money and its the fight the public want to see,so why not take it?...because hes a pussy chicken sh!t piece of crap,he couldnt beat kessler in a million years and he knows it,he hasnt fought no one in the 7 years hes held the title....he wont even fight outside england,thats something crap journeymen do,no so called world champions...and mundine would make calzaghe look follish

So old china chin, oh hang on sorry I mean the Blacksuperman, was miles ahead then quit when he got a little tired and pretened to be unconcious by lying down in the middle of the ring? That shows he's got no heart too. Worse than what I thought :-\

Oh and Ive got the COOL CLICK-SAD CLICK function disabled so I can't see it anyway. ;)

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So old china chin, oh hang on sorry I mean the Blacksuperman, was miles ahead then quit when he got a little tired and pretened to be unconcious by lying down in the middle of the ring? That shows he's got no heart too. Worse than what I thought :-\

Oh and Ive got the COOL CLICK-SAD CLICK function disabled so I can't see it anyway. ;)

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u obiously dont know s!hit about this sport!!!!!!...mundines chin is very good,he took the best kessler had to offer,danny green and antwan echolls ..ur just another calzcrappy nut hugger biotch

Fair dinkum cobber

But watch this from 3.15 to 3.30 and tell me old china-chin-no-heart aint spark out from a powderpuff Ottke punch


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fenster your spot on mate. 8)
and for the record calzzaghe is too busy and quick for kessler. an easy UD for joe if this fight was too happen (which its not).

;D

Nice one Memphis...and Cheers Jbirdy. 8)

There we have old china-chin-no-heart - "fully consious,just to tired to continue"


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Fair dinkum cobber

But watch this from 3.15 to 3.30 and tell me old china-chin-no-heart aint spark out from a powderpuff Ottke punch


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That is shocking, the soft shite!!!

This kessler is starting to reminde me alot of the old Mario Viet

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Straight from the beginning Kessler will throw more than 100 punches per round. They will all be straight on target and Joe has never seen anything remotely like it (the closest is Reid, but there is still a couple of levels difference). Joe will be frustrated and loose a couple of rounds easily while trying to think, sidestep etc. Then he will try to outsmart himself as he will skip, skittle all over the place in order to find a solution. In the meanwhile Mikkel will open up even more and put on the power. Joe gets caught as he more and more desparately tries to find a solution. Now Joe wants to brawl... however each time he decides to brawl he gets stopped dead in his tracks by some mean punches straight to the face. At this time (mid 4th round) Joe is bleeding from the nose and both eyes are severely swollen.

His father is in schock and instead of asking Joe to survive he urges Joe on. Joe still has a lot of energy left he just cannot finda way to use it. In the 5th round he is a little more successful and hits Kessler a couple of times with a jab of his own. Joe quickly follows up and flurries - Kessler skips back and Joe jumps after him... And the fight is over. Now Joe know why Kessler was called the Hitman. He has done this a gazillion times (just not in his last 7-8 fights because they generally have protected themselves more). An agressive Joe jumps straight into Kessler's oldest tactic. To skip back when in a little "trouble" and hope the opponent follows in order to keep the perceived pressure on. He plants his feet the second he land from the skip and smack!

Joe is looked after by the medical staff and only 4 minutes later Joe is able to stand up and the crowd cheer. Joe has won more from this loss than from all his wins added up ;D

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i havent seen much of kessler but when has kessler ever thrown more than 100 punches a round in his career ??

In all fairness..... Kessler fan..whatever your name is..
Its just not happening... Especially not in that way..

Who ever said that joe is either scared or bla bla something about wont unify the titles..
one.. fair play joe IS finally looking for larger fights.. i didnt say big fights just yet..
and hes decided that titles mean shit when your fighting nobodies.. took him long enough..
and two.. he's dropped the ibf title so what is the point of having a fight with a barely heard of fighter like kessler when its not a complete unification anymore..
Mikkel needs the fight but joe doesnt..
And dont no one call me a nut hugger for calzaghe cos i dont like the guy..
what ive said is just true..

I think Kessler is underestimated, than even Calzaghe was before Lacy... He is a great fighter, and would give anyone a good fight.

havent seem Kessler v Mundine but im sure ive heard Mundine gave him alot of problems... anyone shed some light on this?

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havent seem Kessler v Mundine but im sure ive heard Mundine gave him alot of problems... anyone shed some light on this?

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Not really, though Mundine did make it somewhat hard just because of his speed he could land shots, but they did nothing to deter Kessler who came in with more, and even harder combinations.

That pretty much covers it mate. Mudane had his moments but Kessler was in control throughout.

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In all fairness..... Kessler fan..whatever your name is..
Its just not happening... Especially not in that way..

Who ever said that joe is either scared or bla bla something about wont unify the titles..
one.. fair play joe IS finally looking for larger fights.. i didnt say big fights just yet..
and hes decided that titles mean S*** when your fighting nobodies.. took him long enough..
and two.. he's dropped the ibf title so what is the point of having a fight with a barely heard of fighter like kessler when its not a complete unification anymore..
Mikkel needs the fight but joe doesnt..
And dont no one call me a nut hugger for calzaghe cos i dont like the guy..
what ive said is just true..

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dont call me kessler fan faget >:mad u probably SCed me but are to gutless to admit it,if anyones scared its u and i dont care what anyone on here says..KESSLER WILL FLOG CALZAGHE end of story but he wont take it...and u say kesslers unheard of but actually no one in the world except boxing fans knows who calzaghe is cause that pussy wony go abroad

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In all fairness..... Kessler fan..whatever your name is..
Its just not happening... Especially not in that way..

Who ever said that joe is either scared or bla bla something about wont unify the titles..
one.. fair play joe IS finally looking for larger fights.. i didnt say big fights just yet..
and hes decided that titles mean S*** when your fighting nobodies.. took him long enough..
and two.. he's dropped the ibf title so what is the point of having a fight with a barely heard of fighter like kessler when its not a complete unification anymore..
Mikkel needs the fight but joe doesnt..
And dont no one call me a nut hugger for calzaghe cos i dont like the guy..
what ive said is just true..

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dont call me kessler fan faget >:mad u probably SCed me but are to gutless to admit it,if anyones scared its u and i dont care what anyone on here says..KESSLER WILL FLOG CALZAGHE end of story but he wont take it...and u say kesslers unheard of but actually no one in the world except boxing fans knows who calzaghe is cause that pussy wony go abroad

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NO LETS HAVE IT RIGHT!

You need to get your act together...
I am scared? listen ere son!.. This thing your on.. its called the internet.. your not in a room with someone.. so its completely pointless bieng offensive and giving it all this faget and name calling bullshit...
What did i say huh..WHY did i point this out.. Dont think you can hurt my feelings insulting joe c..
i told you i dont give a fuck about calzaghe!..
And all this good posting you have done without any problems has just gone down the drain cos you come out just like the rest of the cats that cant handle an argument! That i didnt start in all fairness!
(i just added my shit!)
You didnt point out anything to do with boxing or what edge kessler has on joe..
You just say he'll beat him so bad bla bla bla... well how so smart guy?
What ..you king around here and you say it and it must be so..This place is for debate not for fashism..
Dont force your views on me , and dont give me this name callin bullshit!
I am the first to say... Joe.. is a bum.. a talented bum.. Same goes for kessler..
Neither have fought better competition then eachother...
only difference is kessler is younger and hasn't wasted the time that joe has.

And as for the sad click... i told you sweetheart this is the internet.. You can call names all you like ..makes no diiference.. I dont need to hurt you 'Cyber' feelings through a click of a mouse..
If i want you to know your a jackass i'd tell you....























Your a jackass ;)

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CC for you Tito

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Taking a quick look at few of Kesslers opponents

Thobela: Kessler wins UD... BUT Welterweight Geoff McCreesh (Brit) KO'd him in 2
Porras: Kessler wins TKO 9...BUT Carl Froch (Brit) stops him FASTER in 8
Thysse: Kessler wins TKO 11...BUT Brian Magee (Brit) stops him FASTER in 10
Lucas/Beyer: Kessler beats both these old fossils KO...BUT Glenn Catley (Brit) beats both KO in their PRIME!!!

So, Kessler can't even match lesser lights of Brit boxing whats Calzaghe got to worry about?

Oh and lets not forget

TheBlackSuperman: Kessler wins UD...BUT Sven (Powder puff) Ottke KO'd him in 10

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y19...ne_floored.jpg

Kessler can't even KO china chin Mundine but he's gonna KO Calzaghe :biglaugh:

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Let`s us take quick look at few of Calzaghe opponents

Evans Ashira
Kabary Salem
Tocker Pudwill
Miguel Angel Jimenez
Will McIntyre
David Starie
Rick Thornberry
Branko Sobot
Juan Carlos Gimenez Ferreyra
Mger Mkrtchian

yeah great champion

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CC for you Tito

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Backatchoo Brother....;)













Im off...
I want a dignified response tomorow stavros..Dont be claiming on evrybody bien scared and not come out and man up gimme a response...
All i like.. is good clean posting..
Thats what is expected.. You delivered it a plenty... Now i want some more.. Dont go all crazy and fuck up what you got goin..
Admit it.. i said shit all about you.. You are plain unreasonable..
And btw.. i called you kessler fan cos i couldnt remember who posted what comment...
So get at me... Keep it real..
You wana win you gotta play fair.. So win the debate baby ..

And Calzaghe top three opponents are, one whom is a former middleweight who is retired, another is a middleweight now, and Manfredo is a reality TV star, much more than he is a prizefighter.

The 5 rules to Joe Calzaghe's matchmaking:

Dodge, Duck, Dive, Dip, Dodge

And Kesslers best 3?

One Rugby league player
One Canadaian who got bashed up by Glenn Catley, Britains fith or sixth best super middleweight of modern times.
One German who was also sparked out by our fifth or sixth best super middleweight, in his prime.

;D

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And Calzaghe top three opponents are, one whom is a former middleweight who is retired, another is a middleweight now, and Manfredo is a reality TV star, much more than he is a prizefighter.

The 5 rules to Joe Calzaghe's matchmaking:

Dodge, Duck, Dive, Dip, Dodge

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Calzaghe's 3 rules for type of opponent to face:

Old and shot
Inexperience and overrated
Obscure European club fighter

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And Kesslers best 3?

One Rugby league player
One Canadaian who got bashed up by Glenn Catley, Britains fith or sixth best super middleweight of modern times.
One German who was also sparked out by our fifth or sixth best super middleweight, in his prime.

;D

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What proven SMW has Calzaghe beaten to deserve the accolades he has received?

Robin Reid? Mario Veit? Chris Eubank? or Jeff Lacy?

Kessler has already unified at SMW, and it didnt take him 40+ fights against bums all in his own backyard.

Where was Calzaghe when Tarver won his titles? Where was he when RJJ was at LHW? Or is it only ok for him to fight men who started at lower weights than he did?

Why didnt he call out Hopkins before his retirement?

Why was he talking about Trinidad, a natural welterweight or junior middle earlier this year?

Just like Jones is chastised for having never fought Benn, Eubank, McClellan, etc., Calzaghe will receive the same harsh criticism for not fighting an active Hopkins, Jones Jr., Tarver, Kessler, etc.

And for the love of god, Kessler started in the same division, has also unified, and isn't currently retired.

Has Kessler fought anybody better then even a part shot Eubank?

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And Calzaghe top three opponents are, one whom is a former middleweight who is retired, another is a middleweight now, and Manfredo is a reality TV star, much more than he is a prizefighter.

The 5 rules to Joe Calzaghe's matchmaking:

Dodge, Duck, Dive, Dip, Dodge

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Calzaghe's 3 rules for type of opponent to face:

Old and shot
Inexperience and overrated
Obscure European club fighter

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so why did u boy price them selvs out to fight joe then big boy? u eithe rknow shit about boxing or are just a racist prick, my guess is both.

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Has Kessler fought anybody better then even a part shot Eubank?

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Why didnt you answer the question,before you came up with a new one

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And Kesslers best 3?

One Rugby league player
One Canadaian who got bashed up by Glenn Catley, Britains fith or sixth best super middleweight of modern times.
One German who was also sparked out by our fifth or sixth best super middleweight, in his prime.

;D

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What proven SMW has Calzaghe beaten to deserve the accolades he has received?

Robin Reid? Mario Veit? Chris Eubank? or Jeff Lacy?

Kessler has already unified at SMW, and it didnt take him 40+ fights against bums all in his own backyard.

Where was Calzaghe when Tarver won his titles? Where was he when RJJ was at LHW? Or is it only ok for him to fight men who started at lower weights than he did?

Why didnt he call out Hopkins before his retirement?

Why was he talking about Trinidad, a natural welterweight or junior middle earlier this year?

Just like Jones is chastised for having never fought Benn, Eubank, McClellan, etc., Calzaghe will receive the same harsh criticism for not fighting an active Hopkins, Jones Jr., Tarver, Kessler, etc.

And for the love of god, Kessler started in the same division, has also unified, and isn't currently retired.

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LOL u aint got a freaking clue have you? its been said about a million times on this board, articles posted and what nots about calzaghes first offer to hopkins after he had beaten tito, was a then career high payday, calzaghe has been calling hopkins out for like 4 -5 years you fool. When RJJ was at LH he was offerd $5mill to fight joe in the states, again priced out - there was big talks about joe going to fight tarver after he demolishd lacy, but hopkins went and put a beating on tarver that made him worthless to beat - damn if there was an award on this forum for the most retarded post ever you would get it hands down for that one.

Btw kessler has fought out side denmark twice, same amount of times as joe - well people say that but they dont consider the fact joes welsh (wales is a country not a part of england) he beat eubank there, reid and alot of others, if Kessler fought in germany you danes would consider that fighting out side of this home country.. same if a yank fought in canida or mexico...

To feducate u a lil too, calzaghe beat guys in just a few rounds who went the full 12 with sven otte in germany and huys who got fked on the decision, they may not of been world beaters, but the were screwed from getting the wbc and ibf world titles coz of home town boy Otte.

you forget veit was a highly regarded fighter at the time, 30 and 0 and calzaghe blew im away in the first round.

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And Kesslers best 3?

One Rugby league player
One Canadaian who got bashed up by Glenn Catley, Britains fith or sixth best super middleweight of modern times.
One German who was also sparked out by our fifth or sixth best super middleweight, in his prime.

;D

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What proven SMW has Calzaghe beaten to deserve the accolades he has received?

Robin Reid? Mario Veit? Chris Eubank? or Jeff Lacy?

Kessler has already unified at SMW, and it didnt take him 40+ fights against bums all in his own backyard.

Where was Calzaghe when Tarver won his titles? Where was he when RJJ was at LHW? Or is it only ok for him to fight men who started at lower weights than he did?

Why didnt he call out Hopkins before his retirement?

Why was he talking about Trinidad, a natural welterweight or junior middle earlier this year?

Just like Jones is chastised for having never fought Benn, Eubank, McClellan, etc., Calzaghe will receive the same harsh criticism for not fighting an active Hopkins, Jones Jr., Tarver, Kessler, etc.

And for the love of god, Kessler started in the same division, has also unified, and isn't currently retired.

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and wtf do u mean he was talking about fighting tito this year? tito was the one who sparked all that sh*t off, hell i don't even remeber reading anywhere that jof even botherd answering that one...

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And Kesslers best 3?

One Rugby league player
One Canadaian who got bashed up by Glenn Catley, Britains fith or sixth best super middleweight of modern times.
One German who was also sparked out by our fifth or sixth best super middleweight, in his prime.

;D

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What proven SMW has Calzaghe beaten to deserve the accolades he has received?

Robin Reid? Mario Veit? Chris Eubank? or Jeff Lacy?

Kessler has already unified at SMW, and it didnt take him 40+ fights against bums all in his own backyard.

Where was Calzaghe when Tarver won his titles? Where was he when RJJ was at LHW? Or is it only ok for him to fight men who started at lower weights than he did?

Why didnt he call out Hopkins before his retirement?

Why was he talking about Trinidad, a natural welterweight or junior middle earlier this year?

Just like Jones is chastised for having never fought Benn, Eubank, McClellan, etc., Calzaghe will receive the same harsh criticism for not fighting an active Hopkins, Jones Jr., Tarver, Kessler, etc.

And for the love of god, Kessler started in the same division, has also unified, and isn't currently retired.

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LOL u aint got a freaking clue have you? its been said about a million times on this board, articles posted and what nots about calzaghes first offer to hopkins after he had beaten tito, was a then career high payday, calzaghe has been calling hopkins out for like 4 -5 years you fool. When RJJ was at LH he was offerd $5mill to fight joe in the states, again priced out - there was big talks about joe going to fight tarver after he demolishd lacy, but hopkins went and put a beating on tarver that made him worthless to beat - damn if there was an award on this forum for the most retarded post ever you would get it hands down for that one.

Btw kessler has fought out side denmark twice, same amount of times as joe - well people say that but they dont consider the fact joes welsh (wales is a country not a part of england) he beat eubank there, reid and alot of others, if Kessler fought in germany you danes would consider that fighting out side of this home country.. same if a yank fought in canida or mexico...

To feducate u a lil too, calzaghe beat guys in just a few rounds who went the full 12 with sven otte in germany and huys who got fked on the decision, they may not of been world beaters, but the were screwed from getting the wbc and ibf world titles coz of home town boy Otte.

you forget veit was a highly regarded fighter at the time, 30 and 0 and calzaghe blew im away in the first round.

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OK Mr. Asswipe, was Joe brave enough to fly for the Tarver,Hopkins and RJJ bout? Or did they demand it to be in Wales?


Its ok, you can defend bouts against Sika and Manfredo while Joe continues to call out every big name in the game.

This is the definition of a fraud.