how come those two never fought in the mid 90's? they should of. if they did who would of won?
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how come those two never fought in the mid 90's? they should of. if they did who would of won?
I think they were unable to fight each other because George Foreman retired when Tyson was smothering the rest of the Heavyweights and when George returned, Mike was on prison. And if they fight each other, that would be a time where Mike Tyson was up and coming while George is fresh out of retirement so I say Tyson would destroy him. But if you are gonna consider them both on their primes. Its a toin coss on whos gonna land the bomb first. Foreman was a monster. He beat Frazier who beat Ali in a couple of rounds. Although Ali beat Foreman, Tyson is more like Frazier than Ali when it style speaking. So I say I prime Foreman knockouts a prime Tyson!
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Originally Posted by mutt
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Get your facts right, at least.
x he was saying foreman beat frazier in a couple of rounds...but this subject attracts mixed emotion and has been done to death,but fuk it,ill say my peace..tyson should not be compared to frazier,he was an evolutionary step above frazier,actually he was light years ahead of frazier.tyson was faster,stronger,near perfect defence with awsome offence,great combinations and superier head movement...Tyson would be all over foreman like sh!t to a blanket,hed have foreman out of there within 3 rounds..Quote:
Originally Posted by X
peeps say all the time that if george koed frazier,hed do the same to tyson ???..i dont think so,frazier lost cause he tryed to match the bigger,stronger foreman and got out muscled,when frazier got hit,he came in for more and got KTFO,he should have taken a step back and measured his man...where as tyson could match foreman power wise and use his superier head movement and defensive skills to get inside and rock the big man with his devastating combinations............of course im talking in there primes..post rooney,tyson became very hittable, and foreman might have stood a chance then,but he would still take a beating..it would be a war
foreman is stronger tyson is faster im just wondering because tyson had suspect heart when he got hit with one of foremans big power punches would he take it ??Quote:
Originally Posted by stavros693000
im talking in there primes and tyson had heart in his prime..you have said it before ICE,TYSON TOOK hard shots from tucker and never even budged,but tysons chin never really got tested in his prime cause no one could land on him,plus foreman in his prime never beat no one except for frazier,so who did he fight and beat convincinly? no one! he got his ass kicked by young and lyle, ...frazier just didnt have the style(tyson was totaly dfferent fighter to joe)Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
man ive seen tones of foreman and tyson fights and IMO tyson wins easy...foremans only performance that impressed me was frazier and to some extent,norton....i was never impressed with foremans style,he was just a big ponderous clubber,he had no style,tyson would be way to fast for george,george is one of the slowest hw everIMO..tyson would land 4 punch combo before the big feller new what was going on
foreman also beat ken norton who was decent fighter but anyway jimmy young was very talented fighter he lost to norton in razor thin decision fight got draw against shavers who alot of people thought he won and again alot of people thought he got robbed by ali aswell plus foreman wasnt in his prime against young but there is still no shame in losing to jimmy young i only see tyson take 2 or 3 hard shots from tucker and that was first round i see him take good right hand from bonecursher but it was to late in the fight and i see him take good left from bruno but other than that never really see him hurt badly i never said his chin was bad look at the size of his neck man lol his bound to take a good shot its his heart to take punches from much stronger man is what im wondering aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by stavros693000
Jimmy Young -vs- George Foreman 1977 | Rounds 7-8
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i mean look stavros watch 7th round of that fight i still dont know how young took them bombs off foreman he was very special that night mate 8)
yeah i actually watched that clip earlier today and i agree that young took alot of punishment..........but george should have koed his a$$..do u see what i mean about his style,he had young out on his feet but instead of staying poised and professional ,he just started whaling away at anything,much like he did against ali against the ropes,he was just swinging away like a drunk..i dont want to get off subject,but if tyson had ali against the ropes like that he wouldnt just swing like that,u remember the bruno fight,when bruno was against the ropes,tyson pick his shots,to the body and ripped it up the middle followed by a left hook!...thats why i give tyson the edge over foreman,cause foremans slow and dosent throw combinations
i see your point and i agree with that 8) still would be interesting to see how tyson would cope when he got hit with one of his power punchesQuote:
Originally Posted by stavros693000
cool im going to watch a movie now,16 blocks with bruce willis,catch ya later mate 8)Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
ok mate peace 8)Quote:
Originally Posted by stavros693000
If Foreman and Tyson had fought in early 1990 (instead of Tyson fighting Douglas) I would say it would have been Foreman who would have handed Tyson his first loss. I watched a weekend of Tyson fights on ESPN and really saw some flaws that Foreman would have exploited. Tall guys like Bonecrusher Smith tied him up and stayed the distance. The difference with Smith and Foreman was that Foreman would let his hands go and not wait and wait and wait til the closing seconds of the fight to let the big one go. Just my thoughtsQuote:
Originally Posted by rvk1331
Jody
George Foreman was a physical specimin, he was imposing with his size and his power and he was talented even before he got trained up.
Mike Tyson had a spark in him that made him SEEM unbeatable but let's revisit what Big George did....
Muhammed Ali one of (yes ONE OF) the greatest boxers ever was in his prime, seemingly unbeatable for his destruction of one Charles 'Sonny' Liston but an undefeated fighter by the name of Joe Frazier outworked him and knocked him down and that victory was seen as amazing fast forward a bit and we see a young undefeated George Foreman who just DEMOLISHED Joe Frazier knocking him down SIX TIMES.....fast forward again and we see Foreman-Norton....a Ken Norton who beat Ali by Split Decision then lost to Ali by Split Decision.....Foreman once again just blasted his ass out of the ring.
When did Mike Tyson EVER beat a PRIME All-Time Great?....he never ever did....EVER
Mike was a bully but George was a bigger bully and we all know what that means....Mike fights strong for 2-3 rounds (during his prime) and then starts eating power punches and gets dropped for 10 in round 6.
You act like Tyson's defense was just phenomenal when it wasn't....guys were afraid to let their hands go because they were afraid of a counter not because they were afraid they couldn't hit him....Frank Bruno hit him pretty good DURING HIS PRIME.
Young George got hit often, His defense was less than mediocre not to mention he was slow and predictable.. Guys like Frazier and Norton were not fast enough or Mobile enough to make George pay... Tyson would beat George to the punch and would overwhelm him with deadly and fast combo's probably hook to the body, uppercuts and then hook to the head. A Tyson 5 punch Combo is all it would take to chop George down...Which it would George couldnt react in time or even know were to begin to defend....Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Were not comparing bodies of work or Legacy's but were comparing this fight and how the 2 of them match up...
Foreman even at his best wasnt a quick puncher. Lets not forget Tyson had very good defence and quick headmovement which imo would give Foreman alot of trouble trying to hit Tyson. Tyson was also very different in his prime to anything Foreman had faced, he was quicker then Frazier, more powerful then Ali. I would go with a Mike UD as IMO he had the superior skills.
Just googled Foreman and Tyson and tried to compare their achievements. Foreman hands down. He was Olympic champion. Was 40-0 with 37 KOs before his first loss to Ali. Won five more fights (all by KO or TKO) before his controversial loss to Jimmy Young. Fought 30 more times after that,won all except one by TKO or KO before his loss to Evander Holyfield. Regained the WBA/IBF Heavyweight Championship crown at the age of 45 after beating Moorer via KO 10 round. Final stats: 81 fights, 76 wins - 5 losses, 68 KOs.
Wow. If there was a heavyweight champion of all time category, Foreman would be a strong contender.
Again not comparing body of work, Foreman is top 4 alltime IMO... But I favor Tyson in this match cause of there strengths and weaknesses andhow they each can capatilize on the otherQuote:
Originally Posted by halo
You would have never said this if you actually know George Foreman has beaten Frazier in 2 roundsQuote:
Originally Posted by X
Sorry Mutt - I misread your post (I thought you were saying that Frazier had beaten Ali in a couple of rounds) - If you look at your post, I suppose it could read both ways?Quote:
Originally Posted by mutt
I do know that Frazier got ambushed by Foreman in Jamaica, but was getting stroppy because I thought you were saying Joe had KO'd Ali quickly.
Apologies.
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I Really Like Big George,really.
but i dont think he was in the same class as Tyson at his best.
Maybe I've been poisoned bythe calibre of guys Tyson blew out early on?
Trevor Berbick was a big strong and VERY talented guy. Tyson demolished him. Geoge was a big guy BACK THEN, now he'd just be average.actually he'd be smallish! 6'3 1/2 and about 220 in his prime.
He had poor defense and against Tyson thats the kiss of death. He wouldn't of held on liek a chicken like Bonecrusher Smith. he's have fought and been KO'd
Now that being said let me add. Foreman had freaky power. Big swinging haymakers that somehow knocked guys out!
Even the sort of clubbing punches that should be useless! they look so slow! but they land and the guy goes down! Good example is the Moorer punch. just sort of shortish straight,not real hard or fast, no big wind up or anything and all of a sudden Moorer is down ! and can't get up!! So maybe his deceptive KO punch comes through for himn and he catches Iron Mike.
would of been a good fight just cuz they were both real tough ass guys with a bad attitudes! Hard to imagine foreman like that when you see him nowadays!
Its alright my friend. I acknowledge my own mistake. And I understand that you are really aware of history. It will be stupid if fans wont know the facts on what is considered the 'Golden Era' in boxing. Heavyweight greats such as Ali, Frazier and Foreman are the true landmarks of boxing. Sorry for being a little rude ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by X
Guys Mike Tyson's defense was good vs SCARED fighters...Big George never fought scared
What did Tyson have trouble with?
Big guys, power punchers, he got hit mainly with uppercuts and right crosses
I will say anyone who beat Joe Frazier would have beat Mike Tyson. Joe Frazier had the work rate of Tyson and the power of Tyson but Frazier had more heart and I suppose if Tyson had been knocked down by Foreman twice he wouldn't have gotten back up much less 6 fuckin times.
Foreman would easily beat Mike Tyson....I understand the Tyson supporters he did have fast hands he did have good power but his defense was so-so....I mean it didn't work too well vs Bruno or especially later on in his career whereas Foreman has ALWAYS been able to take a punch....he took the same punches from the same Evander Holyfield that KO'd Mike Tyson only Foreman was 40 some years old at the time.....makes you think don't it
I have to agree with everything you said Lyle. Have a CC. Foreman by Kayo is 8 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Cant compare Tyson style vs Frazier style... Frazier had good wobbing and weaving technique and was SLOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tyson bobbed and weaved used the peek a boo to perfection and his side to side movement was tremendous..To me its all when this fight takes place take a 70's Foreman and put him in with a 87 Tyson and then were cooking with gas..But we dont have to get into how Tyson abandoned proper technique as he unraveled...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
As a side point also no comparison to how Foreman absorbed the the shots that KO'd Mike....Foreman outweighed Holy by about 50lbs and George just absorbed all Holy thru at him.... George was just a freak in his second career his chin was tremendous and his will and heart was 2nd only to Holyfield back then
Watch the Morrison-FOreman fight, and then replace Morrison by a much finer fighter/boxer in every sense of the word in every aspect, and you have Tyson... He woulc kill FOreman, who's punches he would easily avoid(in his prime), and he had more power than anyone FOreman fought, and would be able to take him out.
You are probably right. But please look at the caliber of the boxers Foreman went up against: Knocked out Joe Frazier twice, Knocked out Ken Norton, TKO'ed by Ali, Knocked out Ron Lyle, loss via UD to Jimmy Young (controversial decision and was voted Fight of the Year by Ring Magazine), Loss via unanimous decision to Evander Holyfield (who by the way KO'ed Mike Tyson), KO'ed Michael Moorer.Quote:
Originally Posted by landmine950
Foreman was 40 - 0 (with 37 Ko's) before his first loss to the greatest boxer of all time, Ali. Tyson was 38 - 0 (with 34 kO's) before his first loss to Buster Douglas.
Foreman's best defense is his Chin. All his losses except for his loss to Ali was via UD or MD (5 losses with one TKO). And if you review that fight with Ali, he was not out of it really. Was standing while being counted out. Tyson on the other hand was KO'ed 5 out of his 6 losses (Tyson's only non KO loss was when he was DQ'ed by the referee after biting of a piece of the ear of Evander Holyfield. Looking at that fight, you can surmise that if the fight would have progressed after the 3rd round, Tyson would most probably have been knocked out again by EH).
So theoretically, you have a fighter in Foreman that was deceptively slow, had freakish power and a granite chin whose knocked out percentage is over 90% in 80 fights, versus a fighter with that can be knocked out, freakish power, fast and a knockout percentage of approximately 88% in 50 fights, that being Tyson. Who would you choose?
George Foreman -vs- George Chuvalo 1970
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FOREMAN actually looks quite light on his feet here im quite suprised
I love Mike Tyson and in my mind Tyson is a greater fighter than Foreman. Foreman had a quick reign at heavyweight and then sort of faded out with Young. Tyson was so dominant from 1986-1990 and he beat up most of the guys in that period who were good. So Tyson is my pick for better fighter by far but I pick Foreman to win this fight. Styles make fights. This is why George came out of retirement. George would have been able to push Mike off when Mike came forward and then throw punches and Mike might be able to duck one or two, but the 3rd would get him, and George had that uppercut which even if it didn't land it would shock Mike how strong it was. Stylewise George wins this fight by 4th round knockout.
Tyson had an awsome defense. For a come foreward fighter there probably hasn't been one with a better defense except maybe Roberto Duran. Also how was George a bigger bully? He didn't punch off the break or appear half as bad ass as Tyson... The question here isn't whether Tyson could stay away from Foreman its vice virsa... Tyson is so much faster, and can hit just as hard that he would completely overwhelm Foreman, and he would find a million openings in Foreman's less than average defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
He still has no defense, and a jab that Tyson would easily slip to get in... Foreman was pretty lean back in the day, and I can't see him handling Tyson's powerful body shots very long.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Foreman handling the body shots of Tyson? Again lets look at history. Foreman had only one knock out loss in his 5 defeats in 87 fights ( a TKO actually - the opinion was that he gassed out because of Ali's rope-a-dope tactic)). While Tyson was knocked out 5 times out of his six losses in 50 fights. If Tyson were to land body shots, it may affect Foreman but one bomb from Foreman will surely send Mike to the moon. Again, Foreman had a slightly higher knockout percentage than Tyson. Foremans opposition? Please google him and find out (Ali, Norton, Frazier, Holyfield, Moorer, Lyle among others).Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
....Tyson had more power than Joe Frazier? Foreman beat better boxers than Tyson ever fought!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Put a prime Foreman in with everyone a Prime Tyson beat and Foreman would beat them worse.
If you put an old Foreman in with a post prison Tyson and Tyson loses because at that time Mike didn't have the gas to go the distance and didn't have the power to KO Foreman....also that Tommy Morrison that beat Foreman beats Tyson too.....oh yeah he does because every GOOD fighter Tyson fought beat Tyson.
Foreman was just all around better....Tyson's defense wasn't that good....when he fought scared fighters those fighters were too scared of Tyson to throw for effect they threw punches to try to keep Mike away and that was it.
Also Foreman got cracked right on the jaw a lot of times and it never hurt him...I mean he took EVERYTHING from Holyfield...Mike couldn't take that...and Foreman HURT Evander too Mike didn't do that either!
George Foreman beat all-time great PRIME fighters...Tyson didn't beat ONE all-time great PRIME fighter....he beat a great light heavyweight and a faded all-time great but other than that NOTHING....and he got beat by a fucking bum! 3.....3 bums!!!! Douglas, Williams, McBride....I mean that is SAD....George could STILL beat those guys!!!!
Damn your southern cornfed ass...you beat me to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
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Anyone that actually rates Tyson over Foreman...well...everyone's entitled to an opinion...I just can't understand that one. Tyson fought & lost to much more mediocre fighters than Foreman & Foreman was in a much deeper talent rich pool than Tyson was.
Well put, Lyle. Right on target. The idea that Tyson, even in his prime, could have handled Foreman is outlandish. :coolclick:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I for one honestly believe that Tyson is probably the most powerful puncher of all time alongside David Tua, because of his speed.
He looks impressive because of one punch kayos and really appeals to me because he was a stocky heavyweight that packs alot of power.
BUT he does not have HEART and LONGEVITY, BIG GEORGE does!!!
Foreman stops Tyson coming in in full frustration in the 10th ;)
:coolclick: Everyone seems to be on point tonight. Good job, my fellow forum goers. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Humble