marvin hagler vs roy jones: who would have won and why?

hello I guys I'm the boxing fan who loves to pit one fighter from one era against another from another.here is my dreamfight:hagler vs roy jones jr.would jones be the first to stop hagler?

I dont think so. Marvin Hagler may well be the best Middleweight of all time. You can make a case that he should have been undefeated if not for the politics in boxing. And he has that unbelievable chin. He was relentless. Amazing. Have you seen 'The War'? Against Tommy 'Hitman' Hearns. Again Im a big Roy Jones Jr. fan but I highly doubt if he could be in the shoes of Hearns. And Hearns was a phenomenal puncher too. Hagler by late round TKO. ;D

While i agree with you that Hagler was a beast and an all time great....and that he also faced great fighters like Leonard and Hearns....he never faced such a tremendous athlete like Roy at his prime. Roy was fast, incredible reflexes, and great power. Not saying Marvin couldn't beat Roy...but a prime Roy is hard to beat by anyone. But you are right...Hagler's chin and relentless style was amazing. I just see Roy dancing around him.

I'm prob not the best guy to answer this question.
Dont really like RJJ ( a runner )
and thought Hagler was a bit plodding.
But I think RJJ would be too fast and elusive for Hagler.
If Hagler couldnt catch Leonard,he wouldn't catch RJJ

I thought that Leonard had everything that Jones did. Hagler was robbed by Leonard, so he may well have found himself on the worng end of a robbery controversial points decision against Jones.

What's undeniable is that Jones would not be able to hurt him, and would probably have been seriously worried about Marvin's firepower.

To me, Hagler was the better fighter.

roy jones wins 12 ud but if the fight would of been 15 rounds maybe there is a chance for hagler to tko him

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I thought that Leonard had everything that Jones did. Hagler was robbed by Leonard, so he may well have found himself on the worng end of a robbery controversial points decision against Jones.

What's undeniable is that Jones would not be able to hurt him, and would probably have been seriously worried about Marvin's firepower.

To me, Hagler was the better fighter.

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This is what Im trying to say. Roy Jones doesnt give much of a difference for Hagler as he have fought Sugar Ray Leonard. And I agree with most fans that he was robbed. I dont think Jones can hide from Hagler cuz Hagler isnt that slow. I love RJJ though and Im sure he wont run from Hagler because he is one proud warrior. He isnt against a heavyweight so he knows he will not look that stupid if he exchange with Hagler. And he wont allow the fans to boo him. So this I say Hagler will win. Styles makes fight and RJJ is just made for Marvin Hagler.

I wished I can give you a cool click ;D

Hagler would, Jones is more chinny than Hearns and not as good SRL

Interesting, considering Hagler done his work at Middleweight and Jones Jnr moved up to … well eventually Heavyweight it’s as I say interesting.

But no, I’m confident Hagler would beat Jones Jnr and it would go to points.

Consider this, Jones didn’t really lose an awful lot of speed as he moved up the weight divisions but at the same time his power didn’t increase much either. Based on these two meeting at Middleweight you would have to say Jones would be lightning quick and would utilise his power best at this sort of weight, but I’ve always said it and I’ll say it again – I think Jones is an incredible fighter and one of the best in the modern generation, but not an all time great,

I think his fight against Ruiz goes along way to summing up his career, he fought a very average fighter and looked fantastic beating him and won the WBA Heavyweight belt.

He’s never fought anybody of the calibre of Hagler, yes he fought Toney but he’s not in the same league as Hagler, the only real name is Hopkins, but that’s not enough because Hopkins is like a fine wine, he got better with age.

So I have to go with Hagler UD over 15 rounds and close decision over 12 rounds.

This is from my other topic Monzon v Hagler - what happened?


Thanks for the CC's I'm glad some of you appreciate my efforts, can you believe it 61 visits and only 5 posts and 2 of those are mine, but anyway I'm not upset

I think neither the early 80's Leonard or Hearns would have stopped Hagler, I mean they both fought him and I think the outcome's would have been the same. Allthough I'm going to dig out the Hagler v Leonard fight and watch it agian and feature it on my Re-visited section in the future I mean there's still alot of controversy surrounding that fight. I think Roy Jones Jnr is an interesting one becuase he had the skill speed and decent power, but the question is he's never IMO fought anybody near the calibre of Hagler, so would Roy beable to live with "ruff house" tactics? considering that Roy was very good at avoiding shots becuase of his movement and skill, one would think this would go to points but also consider that when Roy's chin has been exposed recently, he’s been knocked out, yes I know age is a factor etc.

But I would say Hagler beats him on points, I think Roy wouldn’t get caught because he would have his movement (one of the reasons Roy has been KO’ed recently is because of his slowing reflexes and movement, his chin was never tested because he wouldn’t allow it to be tested, hence he had the reflexes and movement). I’ll go for Hagler to win a UD over 15 rounds and a close decision over 12 rounds.

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Interesting, considering Hagler done his work at Middleweight and Jones Jnr moved up to … well eventually Heavyweight it’s as I say interesting.

But no, I’m confident Hagler would beat Jones Jnr and it would go to points.

Consider this, Jones didn’t really lose an awful lot of speed as he moved up the weight divisions but at the same time his power didn’t increase much either. Based on these two meeting at Middleweight you would have to say Jones would be lightning quick and would utilise his power best at this sort of weight, but I’ve always said it and I’ll say it again – I think Jones is an incredible fighter and one of the best in the modern generation, but not an all time great,

I think his fight against Ruiz goes along way to summing up his career, he fought a very average fighter and looked fantastic beating him and won the WBA Heavyweight belt.

He’s never fought anybody of the calibre of Hagler, yes he fought Toney but he’s not in the same league as Hagler, the only real name is Hopkins, but that’s not enough because Hopkins is like a fine wine, he got better with age.

So I have to go with Hagler UD over 15 rounds and close decision over 12 rounds.

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what about

virgil hill
clinton woods
glen kelley 28-0 at that time
montel griffin

all good opponents right there

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Interesting, considering Hagler done his work at Middleweight and Jones Jnr moved up to … well eventually Heavyweight it’s as I say interesting.

But no, I’m confident Hagler would beat Jones Jnr and it would go to points.

Consider this, Jones didn’t really lose an awful lot of speed as he moved up the weight divisions but at the same time his power didn’t increase much either. Based on these two meeting at Middleweight you would have to say Jones would be lightning quick and would utilise his power best at this sort of weight, but I’ve always said it and I’ll say it again – I think Jones is an incredible fighter and one of the best in the modern generation, but not an all time great,

I think his fight against Ruiz goes along way to summing up his career, he fought a very average fighter and looked fantastic beating him and won the WBA Heavyweight belt.

He’s never fought anybody of the calibre of Hagler, yes he fought Toney but he’s not in the same league as Hagler, the only real name is Hopkins, but that’s not enough because Hopkins is like a fine wine, he got better with age.

So I have to go with Hagler UD over 15 rounds and close decision over 12 rounds.

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what about

virgil hill
clinton woods
glen kelley 28-0 at that time
montel griffin

all good opponents right there

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NO WAY - all the above are decent opponents but that's it!

You say Glen Kelley was 28 - 0 at the time, but that doesn't interest me, remind me who Kelley had fought up until then?

I'm not taking anything away from Jones but at the same time I'm not giving him anything that's not his!

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roy jones wins 12 ud but if the fight would of been 15 rounds maybe there is a chance for hagler to tko him

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Spot on brudda :coolclick:

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I wished I can give you a cool click ;D

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That's OK - but I can give you one (partially to atone for misunderstanding your Joe Frazier post elsewhere)

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I wished I can give you a cool click ;D

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That's OK - but I can give you one (partially to atone for misunderstanding your Joe Frazier post elsewhere)

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Ahaha. Thanks man! Sometimes, misunderstandings ends up as blessings in disguise ;D

When I think of Marvin Hagler I think of a professional guy. He took the best punch Tommy Hearns had to offer and wobbled but stayed up. Unbelievable chin and desire. Jones would not have knocked out Marvin, and to win a decision. no way down the stretch. Strategy was needed more than anything, and Jones was fast but would have been worn out by Marvin's jab and just relentlessness. Someone mentioned if Ray could do it Roy could. Ray studied Marvin for years and watched him as commentator on HBO.. For 6 years he thought about fighting Marvin and saw his buddies like Hearns and Duran fight Marvin. And he knew Hearns and Duran better than anyone and gauged Hagler from those fights. He knew what to do with Hagler and what not to. Ray also had a style to beat Marvin most guys did not. He fought lateral and moved lateral the whole time and most guys cannot more laterally like that the whole fight like Ray. He did not stay on the ropes, He hit and then moved. He just timed Marvin well. Talk about studying a guy. Roy reacted more in fighting but I do not think he looked for weaknesses like Ray. My pick is Marvin to stop Roy in 10 rounds in a good fight for Roy for a few rounds of boxing but a boring start, and then Marvin slowly getting to him and Roy spending too much time on the ropes. This is not all those other opponents of Roy like Gonzales who fought Roy and couldn't do much when Roy leaned on the ropes, this is Marvin Hagler.

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When I think of Marvin Hagler I think of a professional guy. He took the best punch Tommy Hearns had to offer and wobbled but stayed up. Unbelievable chin and desire. Jones would not have knocked out Marvin, and to win a decision. no way down the stretch. Strategy was needed more than anything, and Jones was fast but would have been worn out by Marvin's jab and just relentlessness. Someone mentioned if Ray could do it Roy could. Ray studied Marvin for years and watched him as commentator on HBO.. For 6 years he thought about fighting Marvin and saw his buddies like Hearns and Duran fight Marvin. And he knew Hearns and Duran better than anyone and gauged Hagler from those fights. He knew what to do with Hagler and what not to. Ray also had a style to beat Marvin most guys did not. He fought lateral and moved lateral the whole time and most guys cannot more laterally like that the whole fight like Ray. He did not stay on the ropes, He hit and then moved. He just timed Marvin well. Talk about studying a guy. Roy reacted more in fighting but I do not think he looked for weaknesses like Ray. My pick is Marvin to stop Roy in 10 rounds in a good fight for Roy for a few rounds of boxing but a boring start, and then Marvin slowly getting to him and Roy spending too much time on the ropes. This is not all those other opponents of Roy like Gonzales who fought Roy and couldn't do much when Roy leaned on the ropes, this is Marvin Hagler.

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yea but if roy on rope tactic didnt work he would just change tactic and move around ring he wouldnt stay on the ropes if it wasnt working roy was quick possibly faster than ray leonard and roy hit hard remember that body shot he koed hill with ?? well i think roys much better speed and ring movement would beat hagler he would just follow roy all night halgers jab wouldnt bother roy at all roy is one of best fighters ive ever seen in his prime it would take a hell of a man to beat him in my opinion anyway i see 12 round ud for roy

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I thought that Leonard had everything that Jones did. Hagler was robbed by Leonard, so he may well have found himself on the worng end of a robbery controversial points decision against Jones.

What's undeniable is that Jones would not be able to hurt him, and would probably have been seriously worried about Marvin's firepower.

To me, Hagler was the better fighter.

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Totally agree with X.....Jones would have become worried when Hagler had no respect for Jones power. john Mugabi hit harder than Jones hands down. Hagler took the best Mugabi had to offer. Not that Mugabi was anywhere on the skill level of jones but power wise he was far superior. I also do not believe Jones was a better boxer then Leonard so if Hagler was able to deal with the ring craft of Ray Roy would not be able to overly outbox him...IMO Marvin by TKO late in the fight. Jones becomes dejected and Marvin catches him about 10 or 11

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When I think of Marvin Hagler I think of a professional guy. He took the best punch Tommy Hearns had to offer and wobbled but stayed up. Unbelievable chin and desire. Jones would not have knocked out Marvin, and to win a decision. no way down the stretch. Strategy was needed more than anything, and Jones was fast but would have been worn out by Marvin's jab and just relentlessness. Someone mentioned if Ray could do it Roy could. Ray studied Marvin for years and watched him as commentator on HBO.. For 6 years he thought about fighting Marvin and saw his buddies like Hearns and Duran fight Marvin. And he knew Hearns and Duran better than anyone and gauged Hagler from those fights. He knew what to do with Hagler and what not to. Ray also had a style to beat Marvin most guys did not. He fought lateral and moved lateral the whole time and most guys cannot more laterally like that the whole fight like Ray. He did not stay on the ropes, He hit and then moved. He just timed Marvin well. Talk about studying a guy. Roy reacted more in fighting but I do not think he looked for weaknesses like Ray. My pick is Marvin to stop Roy in 10 rounds in a good fight for Roy for a few rounds of boxing but a boring start, and then Marvin slowly getting to him and Roy spending too much time on the ropes. This is not all those other opponents of Roy like Gonzales who fought Roy and couldn't do much when Roy leaned on the ropes, this is Marvin Hagler.

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Good post

I agree with you wholeheartedly. This thread is not a put down of Jones, there is no shame in losing to a fighter like Marvelous Marvin.

I just don't see Roy being able to stay away long enough before getting caught. Hagler KO/TKO.

You can't use the Ray Leonard fight to compare for a few reasons. 1st, hagler was robbed in that fight. 2nd, hagler wasn't at the top when he fought leonard. 3rd, hagler fought leonard right handed unnecessarily to prove something. 4th, roy jones dont have the chin of leonard.

Jones at Middleweight? Was near unstoppable, and he was unstoppable at Middleweight. Jones only had trouble at Light Heavyweight(if Delvalle is considered trouble for one round)

But Jones only showed weakness aftr moving back down in weight.

if this is 100 percent Jones at Middleweight(his prime wasn't until Super Middleweight) then he may be near unstoppable but Hagler would be more experienced.

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I just don't see Roy being able to stay away long enough before getting caught. Hagler KO/TKO.

You can't use the Ray Leonard fight to compare for a few reasons. 1st, hagler was robbed in that fight. 2nd, hagler wasn't at the top when he fought leonard. 3rd, hagler fought leonard right handed unnecessarily to prove something. 4th, roy jones dont have the chin of leonard.

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leonard wasnt in his prime either he hadnt fought for 3 years plus hagler wasnt robbed it was close fight but he gave away first 4 rounds and it was his own fault for trying to box with leonard first 4 rounds

and i agree with majesty roy jones was near unstoppable in his prime no one knows how good roys chin was he was never hit in his prime at his proper weight with power punch he was only koed when he was past his prime plus it was at lhw when he had just fought at hw took alot out of roys body

hagler wins. only because roy has way too many bad habits. i don't think his natuarl abilty won have a fight with hagler

If anybody could stop Hagler it would be JOnes IMO... Whether he ko's Hagler or not this fight is easily JOnes'. Not that he would win easily every time, but that he wins this 9/10 times. He is too fast, and more importantly too big for Hagler who never fought a big guy who was also a better boxer than him... Think Leonard-Hagler, but in this fight Jones is faster than Leonard was at that point, and he hits hard enough that HAgler can't walk through his punches to counter like he did against Leonard.

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If anybody could stop Hagler it would be JOnes IMO... Whether he ko's Hagler or not this fight is easily JOnes'. Not that he would win easily every time, but that he wins this 9/10 times. He is too fast, and more importantly too big for Hagler who never fought a big guy who was also a better boxer than him... Think Leonard-Hagler, but in this fight Jones is faster than Leonard was at that point, and he hits hard enough that HAgler can't walk through his punches to counter like he did against Leonard.

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Exactly. cool click!

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I thought that Leonard had everything that Jones did. Hagler was robbed by Leonard, so he may well have found himself on the worng end of a robbery controversial points decision against Jones.

What's undeniable is that Jones would not be able to hurt him, and would probably have been seriously worried about Marvin's firepower.

To me, Hagler was the better fighter.

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Totally agree with X.....Jones would have become worried when Hagler had no respect for Jones power. john Mugabi hit harder than Jones hands down. Hagler took the best Mugabi had to offer. Not that Mugabi was anywhere on the skill level of jones but power wise he was far superior. I also do not believe Jones was a better boxer then Leonard so if Hagler was able to deal with the ring craft of Ray Roy would not be able to overly outbox him...IMO Marvin by TKO late in the fight. Jones becomes dejected and Marvin catches him about 10 or 11

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are you on drugs? How can you say that Mugabi hits harder than RJJ? Thats bullshit. Its just as stupid as saying Hagler is a better boxer than him... Hagler didn't outbox Leonard, He sure as hell didn't outbox Hearns... The only person he had a close boxing match with was Duran, and Duran was 25 pounds above his original weight, and wasn't nearly the power puncher he was in comparison to his earlier days. Hagler was a good boxer, but he was more of a pressure puncher who could take punches, and I am not debating whether or not RJJ can KO him which I think he could, but that RJJ could keep Hagler away with his power, and that his footwork, angles, skill overwhelms Hagler worse than it did Toney who was a much better defensive fighter than Hagler, and a faster fighter than Hagler with a heavyweight chin, more skill than Hagler. If RJJ could hit Toney that often then he would be able to hit Hagler with his eyes close.

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hello I guys I'm the boxing fan who loves to pit one fighter from one era against another from another.here is my dreamfight:hagler vs roy jones jr.would jones be the first to stop hagler?

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jones jr had the superier boxing skills,he would out box hagler for a ud...IMO jones is probably the fastest ,most elusive middle weight ever....but in saying that i prefer to watch pressure fighters like hagler,every one loves a ko specalist ;D

Marvin was relentless and always busy and working. He was never just sitting there with the exception of the Duran fight where he expected an aggressive Duran. That was his only glitch in all his fights. Duran was just a fighter he never expected to fight. But I think that Marvin had a 4th gear and usually fought in 4th . He did not have many different gears. When he fought Hearns he fought in 6th gear. But I think he was just a very determined and sharp fighter who knew his craft and I think he would have outworked Jones and stopped him. Jones never fought a guy as good as Hagler really, and Hagler fought a few guys as good as Jones

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Marvin was relentless and always busy and working. He was never just sitting there with the exception of the Duran fight where he expected an aggressive Duran. That was his only glitch in all his fights. Duran was just a fighter he never expected to fight. But I think that Marvin had a 4th gear and usually fought in 4th . He did not have many different gears. When he fought Hearns he fought in 6th gear. But I think he was just a very determined and sharp fighter who knew his craft and I think he would have outworked Jones and stopped him. Jones never fought a guy as good as Hagler really, and Hagler fought a few guys as good as Jones

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Jones fought Toney, Hopkins who were both easily as good as Hagler if not better, and Griffin was technically way better than Hagler.. Also Hagler wasn't always relentless in the Hagler-Leonard fight he thought he could box with Leonard, and lost the first three rounds, and also against Duran he tried to box him. Against Hearns he was lucky it ended when it did because they both couldn't go 12 rounds at that pace. Nobody came close to outworking prime Jones so there is no evidence he would have been worn down by the smaller, not as strong Hagler.

fought the first three rounds orthodox didnt he ???

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Marvin was relentless and always busy and working. He was never just sitting there with the exception of the Duran fight where he expected an aggressive Duran. That was his only glitch in all his fights. Duran was just a fighter he never expected to fight. But I think that Marvin had a 4th gear and usually fought in 4th . He did not have many different gears. When he fought Hearns he fought in 6th gear. But I think he was just a very determined and sharp fighter who knew his craft and I think he would have outworked Jones and stopped him. Jones never fought a guy as good as Hagler really, and Hagler fought a few guys as good as Jones

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That is where you are wrong. Toney and Hopkins were not as good as Hagler.. I do not think Bernard was in a weak middleweight division and Toney was weakened by weight when he fought Jones. Jones fought Virgil Hill ,Toney and Hopkins. Those are his greatest wins but they are not the guys that Hagler fought and beat . People seem to think because Ray Leonard outboxed Hagler that Jones could. Totally different types of fighters. Ray knew exactly what to do to beat guys.
Jones fought Toney, Hopkins who were both easily as good as Hagler if not better, and Griffin was technically way better than Hagler.. Also Hagler wasn't always relentless in the Hagler-Leonard fight he thought he could box with Leonard, and lost the first three rounds, and also against Duran he tried to box him. Against Hearns he was lucky it ended when it did because they both couldn't go 12 rounds at that pace. Nobody came close to outworking prime Jones so there is no evidence he would have been worn down by the smaller, not as strong Hagler.

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Marvin was relentless and always busy and working. He was never just sitting there with the exception of the Duran fight where he expected an aggressive Duran. That was his only glitch in all his fights. Duran was just a fighter he never expected to fight. But I think that Marvin had a 4th gear and usually fought in 4th . He did not have many different gears. When he fought Hearns he fought in 6th gear. But I think he was just a very determined and sharp fighter who knew his craft and I think he would have outworked Jones and stopped him. Jones never fought a guy as good as Hagler really, and Hagler fought a few guys as good as Jones

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Jones fought Toney, Hopkins who were both easily as good as Hagler if not better, and Griffin was technically way better than Hagler.. Also Hagler wasn't always relentless in the Hagler-Leonard fight he thought he could box with Leonard, and lost the first three rounds, and also against Duran he tried to box him. Against Hearns he was lucky it ended when it did because they both couldn't go 12 rounds at that pace. Nobody came close to outworking prime Jones so there is no evidence he would have been worn down by the smaller, not as strong Hagler.

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I can understand you say Hopkins was in the same league as Hagler, but to suggest Toney was also in the same league if not better is ludicrous.

The reason Hagler fought the way he did against Duran is simple, he was intimidated, even though Duran was past his best Hagler was aware, even at that age Duran could be extremely dangerous, and Duran’s reputation was also a factor.

To fight Jones would NO WAY be easy, but I stand by what I said, I would see Hagler winning on points. I don’t feel Hagler would be able to stop Jones because in his prime Jones never let anybody truly test his chin, due to his movement, skill and reflexes, but I do feel Hagler would be able to catch up with him later in the fight.

I see Jones taking 5 rounds and Hagler taking 5, but Hagler edges it by taking the championship rounds, if It’s a 15 rounder I feel Hagler wins by a wider margin.

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If anybody could stop Hagler it would be JOnes IMO... Whether he ko's Hagler or not this fight is easily JOnes'. Not that he would win easily every time, but that he wins this 9/10 times. He is too fast, and more importantly too big for Hagler who never fought a big guy who was also a better boxer than him... Think Leonard-Hagler, but in this fight Jones is faster than Leonard was at that point, and he hits hard enough that HAgler can't walk through his punches to counter like he did against Leonard.

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No way....Jones does not hit that hard to keep Hagler off of him....Marvin was in with harder punchers than Roy...Marvin had a Granite chin...Look at Jones career...with the exception of Toney and a yet to be polished Hopkins he went a long long time fighting second teir opp...Guys ment to make you look good....Marvin would not fall into Toneys bad habit of trying to out do Jones and fight his fight. Hopkins was no where near the fighter he became as MW champion...Like I said befroe he took everthing the Beast had to offer and never even teetered...I would put the farm on it that Mugabi hit harder then Jones...The power is of no factor in this fight what so ever

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Marvin was relentless and always busy and working. He was never just sitting there with the exception of the Duran fight where he expected an aggressive Duran. That was his only glitch in all his fights. Duran was just a fighter he never expected to fight. But I think that Marvin had a 4th gear and usually fought in 4th . He did not have many different gears. When he fought Hearns he fought in 6th gear. But I think he was just a very determined and sharp fighter who knew his craft and I think he would have outworked Jones and stopped him. Jones never fought a guy as good as Hagler really, and Hagler fought a few guys as good as Jones

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Jones fought Toney, Hopkins who were both easily as good as Hagler if not better, and Griffin was technically way better than Hagler.. Also Hagler wasn't always relentless in the Hagler-Leonard fight he thought he could box with Leonard, and lost the first three rounds, and also against Duran he tried to box him. Against Hearns he was lucky it ended when it did because they both couldn't go 12 rounds at that pace. Nobody came close to outworking prime Jones so there is no evidence he would have been worn down by the smaller, not as strong Hagler.

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I can understand you say Hopkins was in the same league as Hagler, but to suggest Toney was also in the same league if not better is ludicrous.

The reason Hagler fought the way he did against Duran is simple, he was intimidated, even though Duran was past his best Hagler was aware, even at that age Duran could be extremely dangerous, and Duran’s reputation was also a factor.

To fight Jones would NO WAY be easy, but I stand by what I said, I would see Hagler winning on points. I don’t feel Hagler would be able to stop Jones because in his prime Jones never let anybody truly test his chin, due to his movement, skill and reflexes, but I do feel Hagler would be able to catch up with him later in the fight.

I see Jones taking 5 rounds and Hagler taking 5, but Hagler edges it by taking the championship rounds, if It’s a 15 rounder I feel Hagler wins by a wider margin.

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are you kidding have you seen early Toney at all? He is easily better than Hagler, and people are putting Hagler on a platform he doesn't deserve to be one.. He beat Hearns because of Hearns' weak chin and stamina. He beat Duran because he was simply too small. Mugabi we find out really wasn't all that great and was ko'ed twice after Hagler. Leonard beat Hagler because he out punched him, and Hagler tried to box with him for 3 rounds at the begining, and thats a Leonard who was by that point slower, far weaker, and nowhere near the reflexes of prime RJJ. Even if Hagler did tag RJJ, Roy had a good chin... He was hit plenty of times cleanly to no effect. Like I said Hagler doesn't have the footspeed, handspeed, or boxing skills to handle Roy's power, speed, and skill. End of argument from me.

I guess for the sake of this forum these kinds of discussions are necessary...I know its hard most people to forget the sour memory of Roy being knocked out. But he was 36 at least 5 years removed from his prime.

BUT PRIME VS PRIME... ROY JONES JR. EASILY BEATS ANY FIGHTER from any era between the weights of
160 - 175

hagler (lopsided UD), hearns (TKO 6), leonard (TKO 11), monzon (TKO 5), hopkins(UD obviously),mugabi(TKO) calzaghe (TKO 7), eubank (KO), collins (KO), benn (TKO 8), moore (TKO 11), foster (KO 4), conn (TKO 5), spinks (TKO 9),....That's just off the top of my head...

BUt anyone else you name Prime roy beats them all esp if its the 1994 - 1999 roy jones he'd crush them all....

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If anybody could stop Hagler it would be JOnes IMO... Whether he ko's Hagler or not this fight is easily JOnes'. Not that he would win easily every time, but that he wins this 9/10 times. He is too fast, and more importantly too big for Hagler who never fought a big guy who was also a better boxer than him... Think Leonard-Hagler, but in this fight Jones is faster than Leonard was at that point, and he hits hard enough that HAgler can't walk through his punches to counter like he did against Leonard.

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No way....Jones does not hit that hard to keep Hagler off of him....Marvin was in with harder punchers than Roy...Marvin had a Granite chin...Look at Jones career...with the exception of Toney and a yet to be polished Hopkins he went a long long time fighting second teir opp...Guys ment to make you look good....Marvin would not fall into Toneys bad habit of trying to out do Jones and fight his fight. Hopkins was no where near the fighter he became as MW champion...Like I said befroe he took everthing the Beast had to offer and never even teetered...I would put the farm on it that Mugabi hit harder then Jones...The power is of no factor in this fight what so ever

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LOL you haven't even watch any Roy Jones Jr. fights have you? Toney only tried to emulate Roy once in that fight, and due to balance he was "knocked" down. But Roy's power was apparent in that fight because Toney was able to counter because he was getting hit too hard too many times from too many angles. Are you going to tell me that a guy who can take punches from heavyweights including the hardest punching heavyweight right now at the age 38 doesn't have as good of a chin as Hagler? Mugabi did not hit harder than Roy Jones thats the stupidest thing I've ever heard, and Mugabi was right there to be hit back... Hagler wouldn't be able to catch Roy comming in and out against him because he couldn't hardly do it against Leonard who hadn't boxed in the ring for 3 years, and was 33. I know that Hagler wasn't in his prime, but he was had fights all the way leading up to that fight. To say power isn't relevant is retarded because of course it matters... You don't need to ko somebody for power to matter. and its not just power its RJJ's footspeed, handspeed, and angles along with power that are relevant.

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I think Mike Tyson beats any other heavyweight, and he is from the 80's. I just think two current fighters beat anybody close to their weightclass Roy JOnes Jr. and Mayweather Jr. just because sports evolve and half of you can't deal with it. Its psychologically proven that a fighter that you see when you start watching boxing will be veiwed in higher esteem later on in your life than fighters you will see as you get older. Meaning its in half of your guy's nature t believe that the fighters from your generations are better because you grew up watching them. I use to watch american football very closely back when I was younger especially the 49'ers and thats in the 90's, and already the athletes are so much better now in 2007 that those great teams of old wouldn't stand a chance. Its same in any sport. Now guys are running the 200 meters in under 20 seconds. Boxing guys progressively punch faster and are stronger. The only weightclasses that is not happening is 190 and up because all the good athletes up in those weights go in rugby or american football or else Ray Lewis from the Ravens would be the greatest heavyweight boxer ever, and if not him then any of a number of guys. THere is a kid in highschool who is 300 pounds runs 40 meters in 4.3 seconds, and he has 35inch arms, and supposedly mean as hell. Athletes like this could easily sweep up any generation of boxers if they grew up in the ring.

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I think Mike Tyson beats any other heavyweight, and he is from the 80's. I just think two current fighters beat anybody close to their weightclass Roy JOnes Jr. and Mayweather Jr. just because sports evolve and half of you can't deal with it. Its psychologically proven that a fighter that you see when you start watching boxing will be veiwed in higher esteem later on in your life than fighters you will see as you get older. Meaning its in half of your guy's nature t believe that the fighters from your generations are better because you grew up watching them. I use to watch american football very closely back when I was younger especially the 49'ers and thats in the 90's, and already the athletes are so much better now in 2007 that those great teams of old wouldn't stand a chance. Its same in any sport. Now guys are running the 200 meters in under 20 seconds. Boxing guys progressively punch faster and are stronger. The only weightclasses that is not happening is 190 and up because all the good athletes up in those weights go in rugby or american football or else Ray Lewis from the Ravens would be the greatest heavyweight boxer ever, and if not him then any of a number of guys. THere is a kid in highschool who is 300 pounds runs 40 meters in 4.3 seconds, and he has 35inch arms, and supposedly mean as hell. Athletes like this could easily sweep up any generation of boxers if they grew up in the ring.

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i disagree with tyson statement but good post anyway

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If anybody could stop Hagler it would be JOnes IMO... Whether he ko's Hagler or not this fight is easily JOnes'. Not that he would win easily every time, but that he wins this 9/10 times. He is too fast, and more importantly too big for Hagler who never fought a big guy who was also a better boxer than him... Think Leonard-Hagler, but in this fight Jones is faster than Leonard was at that point, and he hits hard enough that HAgler can't walk through his punches to counter like he did against Leonard.

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No way....Jones does not hit that hard to keep Hagler off of him....Marvin was in with harder punchers than Roy...Marvin had a Granite chin...Look at Jones career...with the exception of Toney and a yet to be polished Hopkins he went a long long time fighting second teir opp...Guys ment to make you look good....Marvin would not fall into Toneys bad habit of trying to out do Jones and fight his fight. Hopkins was no where near the fighter he became as MW champion...Like I said befroe he took everthing the Beast had to offer and never even teetered...I would put the farm on it that Mugabi hit harder then Jones...The power is of no factor in this fight what so ever

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LOL you haven't even watch any Roy Jones Jr. fights have you? Toney only tried to emulate Roy once in that fight, and due to balance he was "knocked" down. But Roy's power was apparent in that fight because Toney was able to counter because he was getting hit too hard too many times from too many angles. Are you going to tell me that a guy who can take punches from heavyweights including the hardest punching heavyweight right now at the age 38 doesn't have as good of a chin as Hagler? Mugabi did not hit harder than Roy Jones thats the stupidest thing I've ever heard, and Mugabi was right there to be hit back... Hagler wouldn't be able to catch Roy comming in and out against him because he couldn't hardly do it against Leonard who hadn't boxed in the ring for 3 years, and was 33. I know that Hagler wasn't in his prime, but he was had fights all the way leading up to that fight. To say power isn't relevant is retarded because of course it matters... You don't need to ko somebody for power to matter. and its not just power its RJJ's footspeed, handspeed, and angles along with power that are relevant.

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Emulate and fight his fight are two different things....