At least not yet...
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Dibella really shoots himself in the foot after Taylor fights Junior Middleweight Kassim Ouma ;D
Alright then Jermain, fight Abraham ;)
This might be the one time in history that Dibella said some things that I pretty much agree with.
basically just a nice way to say "I ain't putting my money bag into the ring with that freakin monster!"
for his weight ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Pantera
Well...maybe...but he's also got a point about Miranda's record too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pantera
Personally...I think Miranda would snuff Taylor out...could be wrong...but I don't think that Taylor has the defensive skills needed to beat Miranda.
Abraham aint the defensive wizard that the Wink is...but he's got a pretty good guard & a half ass jab that did enough to keep him at bay for 12.
Taylor's defense is just to back out & paw his jab out.
Yeah...Miranda blasts Taylor out, IWO.
Lets have Taylor fight Abraham then.
I use to think the same thing, but after watching a couple of there fights recently I think Taylor could hold him off. Miranda is not the most disciplined fighter out there. I think Taylor's jab would cuz him problems. And if Eastman was able to stun Miranda, I think Taylor can as well. I read all this Miranda would blast out Taylor easily talk. Why is that? I was not aware that Taylor's chin was all of a sudden suspect.
It's clear Dibella has lost some confidence in his man.
Dibella's full of shit as usual.
That being said, I'm not quite sure why everybody's going crazy about Miranda NOW. If you were all the way on his bandwagon after the Abraham fight, fine. But I don't get the hype over the Gibbs win. Gibbs was brought in to make Miranda look spectacular on HBO, to get people excited, and I guess it worked. But if you'd seen the Edouard fight, you'd know he was chinny as all hell, and that's why he was brought in to make Miranda look spectacular. Nothing about that fight changed my mind about Miranda in any way, Gibbs looked chinny against an undersized middle without much power, of course Miranda was gonna knock him the fuck out.
I still favor Taylor slightly in a Miranda fight, even after that poor performance in the Ouma fight.
Taylor has good power , and I feel he can keep Miranda honest with his jab. It would be a great match up no doubt, and dangerous as all fowk ! O0
Dibella is full of shit.. Dibella is a little nervous about Miranda cashing out Taylor's ass . its not like Taylor can't be hit. That mutherfucker keeps his left low and backs str8 up , which invites an awkward power puncher like Miranda a chance at cashing that check. . O0
Why not, Jermain would kill Miranda... He is a far superior athlete, and boxer... and MIranda is overrated... I saw his fight against Howard Easton and I almost choked when I heard he was a up and rising star.
Abraham is still far away from returning to the ring, and even he does, there is no interest here in the USA for him. He will stay hidden in Germany for years and build up a perfect (but questionable) record. He's another Sauerland boy ie: Ottke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
It's not a question of who is the better boxer. That is something that hands down belongs to Taylor. The guy is not only the Champ but an Olympic medalist ( many do not understand the skill of amatuer fighting at that level. Many of those guys would give boxing lessons to top pros)....The question is can Taylor handle the onslaught of Miranda. Jermain has never been attacked by a fighter who hits that hard or with that much intensity...That is DiBellas fear..a just one at that
For a short term business stand point, Dibella is smart to stay away from Miranda. Why take the risk with a huge puncher when he can hand pick 1-2 more fights that he knows he can go the distance (ie Mora) and get the win (and keep cashing in). However, I can only believe these will not be exciting fights and Taylor's stock will slowly go down. In the long term he will have to face Miranda (assuming they both keep winning). By then it will be a much bigger and anticipated fight, and most likely big money. So... For Christmas I would like Miranda to KO Green and than Pavlik, and have Taylor beat up a few chumps and by the end of 2007 have a monster fight staged between the two. Now, is there a Santa Claus?Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
I wouldn't say that Miranda hits as hard as even Bernard... Miranda has a padded record, and is overrated... Taylor would whip his ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Why is everyone acting like Miranda is Godzilla in the wake of the Gibbs fight. Gibbs sucks. Of course he got sparked. Not only is Taylor the better boxer, but he HITS HARDER than Miranda. Miranda would play right into Taylor's game and get KTFO! The only type of guy that would have against Taylor is a Hopkins/Wright type. I believe Taylor won all three fights, with at worst two wins over Hopkins and a draw against Wright. Miranda isn't even in those guy's league, nor will he ever be. Actually, Due to his style, Mora has a better chance at making Taylor look a silverback gorilla over 12 rounds and edging Taylor for a decision than Miranda does of knocking him out. Miranda will just come forward and walk into a big JT punch.
PS- I don't think Mora will beat Taylor. I just think it's a more likely scenario than Miranda KOing Taylor.
I think you need to watch the Hopkins v. Taylor 1 fight again. Taylor was almost KTFO in one of the latter rounds. Taylor hits harder than Miranda? We'll see. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Brockton Bomber
Lou DiBella doesn't want any part of that fight, and if the truth be known, neither does Taylor.
B.T.W.- Winky outclassed and outboxed Taylor and Taylor was given a gift with D.
Taylor has NEVER had one KO in his entire career and not a TKO in almost 2 years. Granted he has fought some great fighters recently, but he never had these guys close to hurt. The power is starting to become a big question!
JT have good power, you can hear the concussive force on impact. See when a fighter rise in class , fewer of his opponents will canvas out. because better fighters roll with shots in a way that take some of the mustard off your shot, make fewer mistakes and they are generally more motivated from a mental stand point. O0Quote:
Originally Posted by Pantera
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Originally Posted by Taeth
Doesn't hit as hard as Hopkins???.....Now rethink that statement>?
I've never seen Bernard break someone's jaw like Miranda broke Abrahams. That was some scary power there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Miranda is without a doubt a powerhouse for that division. As far as defense and boxing skills in general it leaves something to be desired, but the one thing he does have is ridiculous power.
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
taylor would beat miranda like calzaghe beat lacy. except not AS bad, miranda could slug with anyone, but agaiaast an intelligent fighter, and believe me u gotta be intelligent to beat bernard twice and draw with winky i dont think miranda would have the brains , disclipline or technique to come even close to winning
I'd agree with that for the most part, Abraham had him flustered during much of their fight with the counter punches. I think Taylor could take it, but he would definately be hurt by the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by oakleyno1
I would agree with that except...did JT really show intelligence against Winky? When? He didn't push hard in the 12th round against Winky in a close fight and was backed up way way way too much and relied upon brute strength,force and his bigger size to win rounds and against B Hop,again,neither fighter did much of anything..so I don't think JT showed great intelligence and trying to KO Ouma in the first 3 rounds was a poor poor move on his part.Quote:
Originally Posted by oakleyno1
Taylor is nowhere as technically gifted as some make out so I'd think Miranda would have a chance ESPCIALLY as JT backs up alllll the time,which would allow Miranda to come forward with those bombs. I mean his record speaks for himself and although he needs to improve technically,if he can pop a good jab and tidy up a bit more,I think he gives JT a hard hard fight.
Although Miranda may be getting a bit overhyped,heck I'm a bit guilty of it too,you cannot help but love the guys style,power and attitude!! I want to see him fight Abraham and then fight Taylor.
Got to disagree with you both...as much as I hate to.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
I don't really dig on Miranda that much. Not to much a fan of his attitude or his lack of ring generalship...but he's a hard hitter with a pretty good amount of heart & confidence & that's something that I believe Taylor truly lacks.
Taylor has done well against smaller fighters but when pitted against Hopkins & Wright he buckled like a belt. Also...Ouma did quite fine pressing him backwards.
Miranda backing him up will be what ends Taylor. No way Taylor can take his power & Miranda has a decent chin. I think he'd work his way past Taylor's jab as everyone of merit lately has been able to do. Facing your sparring partners, smaller men, & contenders moving up in weight made Taylor look fantastic...but ever since he stepped up in competition...he's looked bad.
Miranda would blast him out & Taylor sure as stink offa shit wouldn't be able to back Miranda up.
:coolclick: Pretty much right on the money.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
I think this would be a great fight to watch. Taylor hasnt faced anybody with Miranda's power and the way he has voluntarily backing up the last couple of fights could get him in trouble against Miranda.
Miranda hasnt faced anybody on the same level as JT and it would be a difficult fight for him. His best chance would be when JT is backing up
The fight would go one of two ways: Miranda by late (T)KO or JT by decision.
CC back Wack,I agree with your points too.
Miranda did fight a good fighter in Abraham though and he did well against that super tight guard and JT's D is nowhere near that good. And you nailed it too,the way JT backs up involuntairly,I mean he's usually the bigger guy,he should be imposing his will and backing up the opponent!! Miranda was stunned by Abaraham a few times though but to his credit,he KEPT coming forward. Wouldn't Miranda be the biggest guy JT has fought too so may be he would not be able to use his brute strength to get him out of trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by TyBuff
I thought Miranda did better than what the score cards reflected. JT is not defensive minded enough to avoid Miranda's big shots. Depending on how strong JT's chin is and if he can avoid some of Miranda's big shots he can get the decision. As we all know its too hard to get a decision against JT so Miranda's only chance will be a KO. I think Miranda is strong enough to do it. I would like to see him with a new trainer, someone that will get him using the science part of the sweet science.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
Now I hate Dibella even more. That little bitch dissed Ricardo Mayorga! >:mad And hell yeah, I wanna see Miranda KO Green too, but I want him to stay at MW, and get Taylor first. I'm sure Manny and Taylor would have some fuked up little plan involving holding and running waiting for Miranda like they did for Ouma, but I think Miranda's youth, and pure hunger would be enough to get Taylor, that and his monster right hand.
Heh heh heh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
Agreed...I'd love to see him blast Green out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
In the end...I think that Manny's got a bit of sense & keeps Taylor waaaaaaaaay the fwock away from Miranda.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
Taylor'd need the magic back for a fight like that...by magic I mean Pat Burns.
It has in the past been hard to get a decison against Taylor. But I have a feeling HBO is getting sick of him too. If they fight and Taylor wins, well they will be happy since his stock will go back up. BUT if Pantera pulls out a victory (especially by a brutal KO) HBO IMO may be thrilled to replace JT with Miranda as their middleweight champ! All this is meaningless as long as Dibella protects his little boy though.Quote:
Originally Posted by TyBuff
You have to look at it this way...HBO has been wanting a replacement for the Golden Bwoy for quite sometime...& Taylor looked like the perfect package all wrapped & bowed. The problem is...looks can be decieving. Taylor appears to be one of the bigger busts of their recent history.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pantera
They paired him up with "superstar trainer" Manny Steward & marketed him as the good ole Arkansasian & he just seems to have turned into...I don't know...a cream puff.
I wouldn't be surprised if they jumped on the Miranda bandwagon too.
You see...you have to look at their track record...they were gung-ho with Floyd's sack in their mouths until he wouldn't play ball. Back a few years ago Floyd screamed loud & proud that he wasn't working for HBO's slave wages & they black balled him for the love of MAB. They ran with Barrera like he was a god...then he fell to Pacquiao & they jumped on that ship...after that...he lost to Morrales & then they jumped back to Floyd...they just jump ship to much for me on their fighters. They did the same with Wlad...then he won big & they were back on that bandwagon.
Soon as Taylor loses...they'll be shed of him.
Wouldn't shock me in the least if they picked up Miranda.
HBO’s gotta keep adding new talent. It is understandable HBO would jump ship when someone starts on a losing trend or starts to appear uninterested in the fight game , got to remember HBO is in business to showcase the best fighters possible in marquee match ups, and in order to do that , they need to keep adding and subtracting the fighter roster , they need to put that yearly boxing allowance to its best use. Hell Taylor is already talking about retiring. fast way to get dropped, by telling everyone you thinking about retirement.. all that should be left in silence.Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
HBO rarely introduces new talent though...they reheat all the oldies but goodies until they wash out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lords Gym
I think that Taylor wants to talk retirement based on the grounds that he's convinced he's bested the best 2 middles of the game legitimately & the fans still have little to no love for him.
Maybe I'm wrong there...but really...where does Taylor go from here? His heart would have to be set on boxing 100% to make a run like Hopkins did...& I just don't think that he's at that point.
JT needs to fight someone meaningful and needs to win in style.
Is it me or are a handful of fighters playing with fire, meaning they havent convinced anyone as of late and or looked good and need a meaningful win?
PBF
JT
Hatton
Valuev
Wlodarczyk
Pavlik
Dawson (My boy!! but I gotta keep it real)
Joe C.
Duddy
Margarito
to name a few......
Taylor's last showing was pretty weak. could be he thought Ouma would be an easy fight, just bomb this smaller guy out of there no worries , that happens to champions from time to time.. it sure looked the case for Taylor . all that hugging and holding was horrible, but often the result of under training for a fight and blowing your wad in the early rounds. a champions gotta treat each opponent as a dangerous Muthafucker, cause they want what you have .Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
a champion needs to remember that someone's life will changes for ever , if they can knock your ass out . so anyone with that title shot opportunity is gonna rise up. You can't coast when you the big dog. everyone you fight is dangerous and hungry O0
Good points. Agreed. :coolclick:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lords Gym
Here's the thing...had he handled Wright & convincingly beaten Hopkins in their first fight...I wouldn't have so many issues with him, but he's coming apart at the seams now.
I just aint sold on him anymore.