It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II

Well everyone...it's time to start the New Year off with the same ole' sha-bang-a-bang...

That's right...to hell with New Year resolutions...wer'e pounding down the booze, tossing the remote, plugging in the laptop, & prepping the couch for yet another installment of Wacko's Drunken Round by Round.

It's time to flip over to ShowTime & watch the fat fly as the heavyweight division comes alive again when Samuel "the Nigerian Nightmare" Peter (28 fights with 27 wins, 1 loss, & 22 ko's) puts his NABF title on the line against James "Light's Out" Toney (78 fights with 69 wins, 5 losses, 3 draws, & 43 ko's) in their WBC ordered rematch for another shot at the rights to face either Wlad Klitschko or Oleg Maskaev in a future match.

If you remember the first match it was a back & forth battle during which (IWO) Toney's weight finally caught up with him. He wasn't able to outbox Peter nor did he appear to be able to take his punches as well as most fans thought. That being said...he was able to go the full 12 against Peter & thus a rematch was ordered by WBC due to controversial scoring in the first fight. Honestly, I thought that the margins were wide...but I did think that Peter did enough to win & also hurt Toney a lot more than most Toney fans & Toney alike wanted to admit.

Factors for & against Peter:

Factor #1: Power. Personally...it's easy to see that this is in Peter's favor. Several times, in the first match up, Peter cracked Toney hard & he felt it. This is something that can & will happen again. I give Peter an edge here...but this might be an edge that is negated, provided that Toney comes into this fight in shape.

Factor #2: Stamina. This is not something that favors Peter. Sam has often shown a weakness in his ability to manage his stamina for 10 or 12 full rounds. He was clearly gassed in the fights against Wlad, Shufford, & Toney. If the knockout doesn't come early, Peter often seems to become frustrated & forgets his ability to jab & throw combinations. He get's a bit wild & his inexperience surfaces. Toney was not able to capitalize on this in the first match...this night might be a bit different, all things considered.

Factor #3: Experience. Again...not something that will be in Peter's favor...but, argueably, he overcame it in the first match. As I said above...Peter often seems to become frustrated & forgets his ability to box. He get's wild & his inexperience shows. In the end, I believe that if Peter had a decent team in his corner...a better trainer...he'd be a force to be reckoned with. Anyways, the edge here goes to Toney. See below.

Factor #4: Well...there aint much else...& in the end...I think it all boils down to which Toney shows up...James "Unmotivated Fat a**" Toney or James "Billy Blanks trained my a** off" Toney. Personally...I'd love to see James "Billy Blanks trained my a** off" Toney show up & for Peter to knock his mouthy a** out. Heh heh heh...but I doubt that that happens.

Factors for & against Toney:

Factor #1: Power won't be a factor...so let's discuss the BEARD. Toney was able to take Peter's power once...but he was shaken on several occassions...can he do it again? I suppose that will all depend on Toney's conditioning & Peter's conditioning. If Toney has slimmed down a bit then he'll be able to slip more shots & not get pressed as easily as he did this go around. Toney's got a hell of a chin...but Peter packs a hell of a punch. That being said...edge to Toney. James Toney has never been knocked out. NEVER...in 77 fights the man has never been cold. He's been down a few times & almost out...Roy Jones Junior dropped him...but that was years ago. Toney had never been in with an actual knock out artist until he met Peter. I wouldn't say that he passed with flying colors...but he did alright against the younger & heavier handed hitter.

#2: Experience. This is a biggy, IWO. Toney's got this hammered out. Toney has seen & felt pretty much all that's out there. He's fought & sparred with some pretty large gents. So far at 200+ pounds...no one has had enough of anything to faze the man. No power, no speed, no skills...but I won't go in to the fact that I don't think he's faced anyone legit enough to mention. That would just be hate...right? Right. I can admit that. With knowledge comes SKILLS. This, IWO, is what will dictate the fight & it will fall to Toney's favor agian. Toney can generally slip & counter anyone at any time...& he'll most likely make a night out of it against Peter once again, but if he comes in shape he'll pull it off much easier this go around. Toney is a defensive nightmare & although Peter proved he could cut the mustard...he didn't spread it to easily.

#3: Power. The one thing not in Toney's favor that truly screams...YOUR'E FWOCKED!!! Once again...just like the first match...Toney has been saying that he is going to knock Peter out. He's been screaming that he's in the best shape of his life & now that he's lost the weight...he can move & set up his power shots better now. Stupid move. If Peter can take Wlad Klitschko's best shots then he can surely take what JFAT has to offer. If Toney tries to go toe to toe with Peter & Peter catches Toney...I think that we might actually see Toney's nick name "light's out" come in to play.

#4: Conditioning & age. This is always what I consider to be a fault of Toney's & one of the main reasons that I despise him so very much...not the age part...but the conditioning. If my guy Hopkins can come in & keep beating the odds at age 41...then James Toney can too. My sentiments haven't changed much since the first fight...there's been no love lost or gained. Just like the last go around...I still don't want JFAT to win. I'd love to see him flat of his back counting light bulbs due to the fact that I think Peter will be better for the longevity of the division. Stamina was an issue in the last fight as Peter's punches had started to wear Toney down a bit. For the last 4-5 weeks Toney has been rather quiet regarding this match up. Instead of screaming over phone lines & in reporters faces he's been training under the tutledge of Tai-Bo guru Billy Blanks. Apprently...Toney finally realized that he's human & he might do better down the stretch without all the extra chins & fat rolls. We shall see...

Prediction?

I want Peter to knock Toney the fwock out...but I'm going with Toney by 12 round split D.

Anywho...Christmas is just around the corner...as is the ringing in of the New Year...everyone enjoy their family time...get all your little resolutions out there...then come on back to the greatest show on earth...

No we aint selling tickets to the gotdam circus...it's time for yet another installement of Wacko's Drunken Round by Round.

Take the poll...vote with your heads & not your hearts & let's get the first fight of 2007 in the bag.

As always...much love to ya's my fellow forum goers.

Cheers & koneecheewah bitches.

whats your prediction?

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Prediction?

I want Peter to knock Toney the fwock out...but I'm going with Toney by 12 round split D.

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"Prediction?"
"Yes, Prediction"
"Pain"

For the whole heavy division because toney is finally gonna be in shape. He starts his reign of terror with a clear cut UD over peter.

Is this fight tonight??? I didn't even know!! I'm going for TONey to win via a UD. I thought he won the first fight too,I just hope we don't see a trilogy!!!!

peter mid tko ;) 6 or 7

peter by stoppage

I have a feeling that time will finally run out on Toney, Wacko. Call it a gut instinct that he has been getting away with not being in shape and just coasting through the has beens and never was's in his heavyweight campaign. Just my thoughts...jody

I'd love Toney to knock his ass out!

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Is this fight tonight??? I didn't even know!! I'm going for TONey to win via a UD. I thought he won the first fight too,I just hope we don't see a trilogy!!!!

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Sorry El Gamo, you got a coupla weeks to wait for this one, it's just wacko getting some of the hard work done before the festive season, as he won't be sober enough to do that for the next 12 days! Unless Toney has had a complete change in attitude, fitness and power, then I don't see him winning. Peter landed with the big punches last time, and he will this time too. Toney might have experience, but he can't dodge all the bombs that Peter throws, and he will feel them more this time, as Peter will have learnt and will land more this time.

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Is this fight tonight??? I didn't even know!! I'm going for TONey to win via a UD. I thought he won the first fight too,I just hope we don't see a trilogy!!!!

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Sorry El Gamo, you got a coupla weeks to wait for this one, it's just wacko getting some of the hard work done before the festive season, as he won't be sober enough to do that for the next 12 days! Unless Toney has had a complete change in attitude, fitness and power, then I don't see him winning. Peter landed with the big punches last time, and he will this time too. Toney might have experience, but he can't dodge all the bombs that Peter throws, and he will feel them more this time, as Peter will have learnt and will land more this time.

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Yes me dear Gamo...the fight is roughly 2 weekends away...I accidentally drunkenly tossed the RBR up a bit too early. ;D

I'll unpin it now...since we got 2 weeks instead of one...I'll re-pin it on the first day of January. ;D

Super's right on the money though...what with the New Years & Christmas holidays on the schedule...it was hasty posting. ;D

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Is this fight tonight??? I didn't even know!! I'm going for TONey to win via a UD. I thought he won the first fight too,I just hope we don't see a trilogy!!!!

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Sorry El Gamo, you got a coupla weeks to wait for this one, it's just wacko getting some of the hard work done before the festive season, as he won't be sober enough to do that for the next 12 days! Unless Toney has had a complete change in attitude, fitness and power, then I don't see him winning. Peter landed with the big punches last time, and he will this time too. Toney might have experience, but he can't dodge all the bombs that Peter throws, and he will feel them more this time, as Peter will have learnt and will land more this time.

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Good points bro,alot depends on TONey's conditioning.

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Is this fight tonight??? I didn't even know!! I'm going for TONey to win via a UD. I thought he won the first fight too,I just hope we don't see a trilogy!!!!

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Sorry El Gamo, you got a coupla weeks to wait for this one, it's just wacko getting some of the hard work done before the festive season, as he won't be sober enough to do that for the next 12 days! Unless Toney has had a complete change in attitude, fitness and power, then I don't see him winning. Peter landed with the big punches last time, and he will this time too. Toney might have experience, but he can't dodge all the bombs that Peter throws, and he will feel them more this time, as Peter will have learnt and will land more this time.

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Yes me dear Gamo...the fight is roughly 2 weekends away...I accidentally drunkenly tossed the RBR up a bit too early. ;D

I'll unpin it now...since we got 2 weeks instead of one...I'll re-pin it on the first day of January. ;D

Super's right on the money though...what with the New Years & Christmas holidays on the schedule...it was hasty posting. ;D

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LOL,someone was hitting the drink abit much!!!! Aren't there any other fights until then? This one is not that exciting!!!

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LOL,someone was hitting the drink abit much!!!! Aren't there any other fights until then? This one is not that exciting!!!

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Yeah...I was a bit wasted while working on this last night. ;D

No other fights are on...cept for the replays that HBO is passing off as the best fights of 2006.

After the Ruiz debacle (drug test) it's been bad luck for James Toney, I think this fight is when he finally overcomes all the adversity. Toney in UD.

I don't like Toney but, I think he will get a Tko late. He seems to be taken this very serious.

Peter by Decision.
I just don't think Toney has it in him anymore to fight I think hes lost all that motivated him at one point in his career. IMO to him now it's just about being in the mix and having his name talked about. That whole Billy Blanks, and the nutrionist talks are bull none of that shit can save Toney.
He has a eating disorder and as we speak hes probably at Albertos Cafe in Miami grubbing on some Cuban food.

I got Toney by decision, most likely a split decision. I dont feel that Peter can hang with JFat, I felt that the first fight was a lot closer than the score cards. Peter may have caught him in the first fight but he didnt lay him out, I hope he can this time around but I dont feel that it will happen. Peter's trainer needs to work on the basics and stamina. I dont think either will be improved.

cc wacko love the DRbR's and the breakdowns.

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I got Toney by decision, most likely a split decision. I dont feel that Peter can hang with JFat, I felt that the first fight was a lot closer than the score cards. Peter may have caught him in the first fight but he didnt lay him out, I hope he can this time around but I dont feel that it will happen. Peter's trainer needs to work on the basics and stamina. I dont think either will be improved.

cc wacko love the DRbR's and the breakdowns.

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Thanks babe...that's why I'm here. :coolclick:

Peter by KO. Actually, it's more wishful thinking than a prediction.
But what the hell......

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Peter by KO. Actually, it's more wishful thinking than a prediction.
But what the hell......

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:coolclick: big daddy.

I think I might just take my "all I want for Christmas wish" & let it all hang out with my wang out.

Peter by devastating TKO.

First off, a festive CC for the Wack one....a rather early DRBR though!! ::** ;D

Peter seems to be the favorite amongst the Saddo crew and to an extent that is understandable. I thought Toney won the first fight by 2 rounds, but his skill was unable to negate Peters power as effectively as it should have. I think Toneys conditioning was to blame for this. We have heard all this "I will come in slimmer and fitter" stuff before, but as a Toney fan I really am curious as to what his weight and conditioning will be. If he can just be a little more fleet of foot, then Peter will be missing with more of those powershots and Toney can counter effectively without losing balance...

Im willfully expecting Toney to come in sharper. Toney by UD or even late TKO...

James Toney will win this by UD, well unless he comes in fatter then ever. IMO he won the first fight anyway.

again just for the sake of havin the braggin rights
TONEY BY DEMORALIZING KO
i voted for toney by decision though ;D

P.S.
what a diligent soul you are, Wacko
:coolclick: for the early work

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James Toney will win this by UD, well unless he comes in fatter then ever. IMO he won the first fight anyway.

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Cmon bro, you can't call what Toney threw most of the time punches. Peter had friction burns from being rubbed so often by Toney's gloves. JFAT didn't show any promise of rattling Peter at all first time out, and unless he gets the steel chair out from under the ring, while Don King is standing in the corner distracting the referee, then I can't see him troubling Peter this time either.

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again just for the sake of havin the braggin rights
TONEY BY DEMORALIZING KO
i voted for toney by decision though ;D

P.S.
what a diligent soul you are, Wacko
:coolclick: for the early work

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I want Toney to get his block knocked off, though.

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Cmon bro, you can't call what Toney threw most of the time punches. Peter had friction burns from being rubbed so often by Toney's gloves. JFAT didn't show any promise of rattling Peter at all first time out, and unless he gets the steel chair out from under the ring, while Don King is standing in the corner distracting the referee, then I can't see him troubling Peter this time either.

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Agreed. I have no shame in stating that I really can't stand Toney...but he's a hell of a boxer...thing is...Peter actually gave him severe issues & pretty much negated his abilities.

I got faith that Peter will catch him again & this time drop his mouthy ass.

You know.... Im enjoying this thread a great deal... I love lights out toney..
And even though you all my brothers.. Alot of you hate on toney..And even alot of you beleive toney has this one..
Its truely great :) ... But as much as i would like toney to Back up the ol. 'Lights out' title.
and put the nightmare to sleep..
I believe that toney will Have a nice clear cut ud by the end of fight night...
and then on to claim to heavyweight title he should have been carrying for a fair time now..
It Makes you think really...
I mean lights out..Hasnt been putting many peoples lights out for a while now...
And he's looked like a ball of dough....
And as much as people hate him.. Very few doubt his skill
That is some serious...serious crazy skill he has.. Undoubtably!

Frankly..I'd love to see james in the shape he was in when he fought evander and booker..
But even if the hype of a new james toney..Is just hype..
This is gona be an intense fight..Toney is serious about getting this win.
and finally bieng the World HW champ... I dont think anything will get in his way..

I believe if ( i say if but personally mean when)
He does become champ...He will earn more peoples love and respect..
We all know toney has always seeked to and fought the best out there.. and apart from big vlad
who else is there that brings a real show to the fans and is gaurentee'd everytime to put on the show against the big names...
Even if i hated the guy..I would want to change him, cos its the cockyness that brings his belief in himself and brings the big names into the ring with lights out toney!!
LOVE HIM ;D
Peace all

Well I might as well get it over with...Disagree with Wacko and get myself banned and move on with my pitiful life.
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Peter/Toney I "If you remember the first match it was a back & forth battle during which (IWO) Toney's weight finally caught up with him. He wasn't able to outbox Peter nor did he appear to be able to take his punches as well as most fans thought. That being said...he was able to go the full 12 against Peter & thus a rematch was ordered by WBC due to controversial scoring in the first fight. Honestly, I thought that the margins were wide...but I did think that Peter did enough to win & also hurt Toney a lot more than most Toney fans & Toney alike wanted to admit."

It wasn't really a back and forth affair. It was Peter coming forward and Toney doing what he does as well as any fighter EVER. Moving,turning sliding and slipping punches. And counterpunching with VERY clean punches. And clean straight jabs. Toney's weight didnt catch up with him. It was peters weight and size that Toney was unable to overcome. His punches wern't strong and hard/heavy enough to stop or REALLY hurt Peter. they earned HIS respect but wern't dramatic enough to impress the judges by staggering Peter. He outboxed Peter totally. In every aspect of what boxing is. In that regard it wasn't even close.
Peter is not a great boxer,period. James Toney is. James Toney took Peter's punches BETTER than most people (including me) expected Peter didn't hurt him at any time during the fight WITH THE EXCEPTION of the 2 times he clubbed him behind the head. Here Toney was clearly hurt,weather or not the punches were legal etc. is irrelevant as there was no point deduction. If you bend over and to the right side agianst a taller wide puncher that you've deen frustrating,he will punch at the back of your head. Valuev does it all the time. In Briggs/Mercer Briggs sidestepped Mercer and pushed Mercer against the rope belly first, held his head with his left hand pushed over the ropes and then hit him with a right hook! TOTALLY ILLEGAL!! but it knocked mercer out and briggs won the fight so tough sh1t!
The rematch was ordered due to the fact that 2 of the 3 judges had the fight scored so badly that it was apperant to most everyone (90%) of those ringside observers that Toney had won the fight as one judge had it by 115-112 or some such score. The fact that 2 of the 3 judge had the score SO far from reality forced the rematch. I feel that if only one judge was "out to lunch" for Peter it would have been a toney win -no rematch-
For the Toney hater. try for a moment to seperate Toney's Boxing accomplishments from his personality
Remember. this guy started fighting PRO at 157!! Samuel Peter weight 257 for the last fight. It's not possible to gain a huge pile of weight to compete with these super heavies without "Bulking UP" That means eating lots and that means you gain fat as well. Pro body builders bulk up to say 300 lbs then rip down to 220-230 to compete. its the only way to gain big muscle weight and mass. Also he has 78 pro fights!!!!
78!!!! try and get pumped and ripped and train for 8-10 hard weeks etc 78 f#ckin times!!! 20 years as a pro!! 4 fights per year * 10 weeks
It isn't easy! HE NEEDS weight to keep from being manhandled by bigger men and to help take the punches. He doesn't want to lose a bunch of weight! If he doesnt get gassed he needs all of 230 even then he didn't have enough weight on his punch to stop any of the last 3 heavies. LAST thing he should do is slim way down! He's NOT the tub of Goo people like to say! Look at he heavies! there all a bit chunky! some more than others! What about Larry Holmes? Late Forman? Lots of them Packed extra weight! Look at the pic of Toney and tell me he's a tub!

NOW I PREDICT: "drumrole" more decisive win by Toney. By decision.

If Peter Knocks Toney out I will send Wacko a "Lights out" cigar which he may light and blow the smoke in my face.

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James Toney will win this by UD, well unless he comes in fatter then ever. IMO he won the first fight anyway.

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Cmon bro, you can't call what Toney threw most of the time punches. Peter had friction burns from being rubbed so often by Toney's gloves. JFAT didn't show any promise of rattling Peter at all first time out, and unless he gets the steel chair out from under the ring, while Don King is standing in the corner distracting the referee, then I can't see him troubling Peter this time either.

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You honestly don't think he so much as troubled Peter the first time?? THat's crap imo... Peter looked absolutely hopeless at times, he was thouroughly discouraged, gassed out badly in several instances, and by the championship rounds he looked like a beaten man, who was content to just finish the fight.. PEter was cut and busted up worse than TOney, just because he landed a few bombs and generally the harder punches doesn't negate the fact that Toney was far more consistent and won several more rounds at least... Toney by a more convincing decision this time around, just wait and see.

peter by TK(fucking)O ;)

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James Toney will win this by UD, well unless he comes in fatter then ever. IMO he won the first fight anyway.

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Cmon bro, you can't call what Toney threw most of the time punches. Peter had friction burns from being rubbed so often by Toney's gloves. JFAT didn't show any promise of rattling Peter at all first time out, and unless he gets the steel chair out from under the ring, while Don King is standing in the corner distracting the referee, then I can't see him troubling Peter this time either.

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You honestly don't think he so much as troubled Peter the first time?? THat's crap imo... Peter looked absolutely hopeless at times, he was thouroughly discouraged, gassed out badly in several instances, and by the championship rounds he looked like a beaten man, who was content to just finish the fight.. PEter was cut and busted up worse than TOney, just because he landed a few bombs and generally the harder punches doesn't negate the fact that Toney was far more consistent and won several more rounds at least... Toney by a more convincing decision this time around, just wait and see.

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I will indeed wait and see, but in my opinion, and the judges opinion, Sam Peter threw more damaging punches more often than Toney's pawing shots, and it is my belief that he'll do it again.

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James Toney will win this by UD, well unless he comes in fatter then ever. IMO he won the first fight anyway.

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Cmon bro, you can't call what Toney threw most of the time punches. Peter had friction burns from being rubbed so often by Toney's gloves. JFAT didn't show any promise of rattling Peter at all first time out, and unless he gets the steel chair out from under the ring, while Don King is standing in the corner distracting the referee, then I can't see him troubling Peter this time either.

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You honestly don't think he so much as troubled Peter the first time?? THat's crap imo... Peter looked absolutely hopeless at times, he was thouroughly discouraged, gassed out badly in several instances, and by the championship rounds he looked like a beaten man, who was content to just finish the fight.. PEter was cut and busted up worse than TOney, just because he landed a few bombs and generally the harder punches doesn't negate the fact that Toney was far more consistent and won several more rounds at least... Toney by a more convincing decision this time around, just wait and see.

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I will indeed wait and see, but in my opinion, and the judges opinion, Sam Peter threw more damaging punches more often than Toney's pawing shots, and it is my belief that he'll do it again.

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Dont think anyone is going to argue that he threw the more damaging punches, but the more often part, or the insinuation that he landed enough of them to win the fight, are where you are incorrect imo... PEter landed roughly 5 of these punches in the entire fight, and because of that he probably won all rounds in which he did land these... But aside from the occasional bomb, he was definetly outboxed. I agree that Toney threw far less meaningful punches, but he was also alot more active and definetly won more rounds.... I don't see how anyone can have recently watched the entire fight and would say Peter deserved anything but to lose.. It would be like my saying that in my and 3 judges opinions, Chavez threw the more damaging punches more often than Whittaker and deserved the draw.. It doesn't quite work like that.

Toney threw "pawing"punches??
It's interesting how people can see things so very differently.
I felt that Toney threw and land many more accurate and clean counter punches and hard straight jabs. They just wern't powerful enough to really rock the Nigerian Nightmares concrete head. Its so hard for a ex middleweight to real have enough crack to hurt a really big stocky guy like Samuel. Esp when his head is bolted directly to his body without the normal use of a neck. If anything I remember Peters jabs which landed on Toneys shoulder and chest and after a while Toney almost ignored them. I think Toney is the far superior boxer and will prove it again. Although Samuel Peter is the far nicer guy and probably a much more deserving individual.

From Billy Blanks stories Toney should be very well conditioned. He may even come in at 168 ;D

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Well I might as well get it over with...Disagree with Wacko and get myself banned and move on with my pitiful life.

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All I want for Christmas, right?

Fingers crossed & all...I even put out milk & cookies for Santa on this one.

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For the Toney hater. try for a moment to seperate Toney's Boxing accomplishments from his personality
Remember. this guy started fighting PRO at 157!! Samuel Peter weight 257 for the last fight. It's not possible to gain a huge pile of weight to compete with these super heavies without "Bulking UP" That means eating lots and that means you gain fat as well. Pro body builders bulk up to say 300 lbs then rip down to 220-230 to compete. its the only way to gain big muscle weight and mass. Also he has 78 pro fights!!!!
78!!!! try and get pumped and ripped and train for 8-10 hard weeks etc 78 f#ckin times!!! 20 years as a pro!! 4 fights per year * 10 weeks

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Here's my issues with Toney...& I have stated this ever since he got fat & tried to pass himself off as a heavyweight...he's not a heavyweight...he's just fat & mouthy.

Sure I can't stand his ass...but that's at heavyweight.

For years I have stated that Toney is one of the greatest fighters of the last decade. As a super middle he was impressive as hell...but now...he's just a loud mouth. I know all of his history & I know it well...but I have no respect for him at this weight & his theatrics make him come across as an ignorant punk.

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Toney threw "pawing"punches??
It's interesting how people can see things so very differently.
I felt that Toney threw and land many more accurate and clean counter punches and hard straight jabs. They just wern't powerful enough to really rock the Nigerian Nightmares concrete head. Its so hard for a ex middleweight to real have enough crack to hurt a really big stocky guy like Samuel. Esp when his head is bolted directly to his body without the normal use of a neck. If anything I remember Peters jabs which landed on Toneys shoulder and chest and after a while Toney almost ignored them. I think Toney is the far superior boxer and will prove it again. Although Samuel Peter is the far nicer guy and probably a much more deserving individual.

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I was mostly impressed withthe fact that it was Toney who was leading with the jab throughout the fight and landing well. It was hardly a knockout punch but it was definately a scoring punch that landed at will. Hardly a "pawing"shot which is what ive heard it described as on this thread. Toney did have issues with balance and I saw the same thing against Rahman. Toney's bulk is the main factor behind this. A more streamlined Toney would help considerably. Lets wait and see for the weigh in...I cringe at the prospects ahead!! :-\ ;D

If Toney can come in under 225 it will be something!! Possibly a miracle, but certainly something!!

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Toney threw "pawing"punches??
It's interesting how people can see things so very differently.
I felt that Toney threw and land many more accurate and clean counter punches and hard straight jabs. They just wern't powerful enough to really rock the Nigerian Nightmares concrete head. Its so hard for a ex middleweight to real have enough crack to hurt a really big stocky guy like Samuel. Esp when his head is bolted directly to his body without the normal use of a neck. If anything I remember Peters jabs which landed on Toneys shoulder and chest and after a while Toney almost ignored them. I think Toney is the far superior boxer and will prove it again. Although Samuel Peter is the far nicer guy and probably a much more deserving individual.

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I was mostly impressed withthe fact that it was Toney who was leading with the jab throughout the fight and landing well. It was hardly a knockout punch but it was definately a scoring punch that landed at will. Hardly a "pawing"shot which is what ive heard it described as on this thread. Toney did have issues with balance and I saw the same thing against Rahman. Toney's bulk is the main factor behind this. A more streamlined Toney would help considerably. Lets wait and see for the weigh in...I cringe at the prospects ahead!! :-\ ;D

If Toney can come in under 225 it will be something!! Possibly a miracle, but certainly something!!

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Toney's punches weren't the jabs of a proper heavyweight, and for me I just don't think that connecting is enough to win fights, otherwise the Howard Eastman of his last fight would be the king of all boxing. You do realise that Toney is today settling down for a Christmas dinner, so no way will you see him at 225.
To paraphrase a famous film, I imagine Toney telling his chef today: "I'll have four fried turkeys and a coke."
"Turkey breast or turkey wing?"
"Woman,I said four fried TURKEYS, and a coke!"

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Originally Posted by landmine950

Toney threw "pawing"punches??
It's interesting how people can see things so very differently.
I felt that Toney threw and land many more accurate and clean counter punches and hard straight jabs. They just wern't powerful enough to really rock the Nigerian Nightmares concrete head. Its so hard for a ex middleweight to real have enough crack to hurt a really big stocky guy like Samuel. Esp when his head is bolted directly to his body without the normal use of a neck. If anything I remember Peters jabs which landed on Toneys shoulder and chest and after a while Toney almost ignored them. I think Toney is the far superior boxer and will prove it again. Although Samuel Peter is the far nicer guy and probably a much more deserving individual.

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I was mostly impressed withthe fact that it was Toney who was leading with the jab throughout the fight and landing well. It was hardly a knockout punch but it was definately a scoring punch that landed at will. Hardly a "pawing"shot which is what ive heard it described as on this thread. Toney did have issues with balance and I saw the same thing against Rahman. Toney's bulk is the main factor behind this. A more streamlined Toney would help considerably. Lets wait and see for the weigh in...I cringe at the prospects ahead!! :-\ ;D

If Toney can come in under 225 it will be something!! Possibly a miracle, but certainly something!!

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Toney's punches weren't the jabs of a proper heavyweight, and for me I just don't think that connecting is enough to win fights, otherwise the Howard Eastman of his last fight would be the king of all boxing. You do realise that Toney is today settling down for a Christmas dinner, so no way will you see him at 225.
To paraphrase a famous film, I imagine Toney telling his chef today: "I'll have four fried turkeys and a coke."
"Turkey breast or turkey wing?"
"Woman,I said four fried TURKEYS, and a coke!"

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;D Funny posting, I will click you again when karma allows...

Of course, James Toney's jab is not comparable to the jab of say, Lennox Lewis in terms of power. But it was a scoring jab in that last fight, its hardly a trying to find the distance jab like the one Audley Harrison tends to use...

Im telling you, I have no idea what to expect come the weigh in...If Toney is over 230pounds again, I do feel that a little mockery will abound on these very pages!! ;D

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When ever I think about this fight I start thinking back to Jones vs Tarver 2. I mean Jones won the first fight because he pulled it out in the end so that decisions was not contraversal, but for the second fight Jones trained his ass off and still got ko'ed. I don't know why but with all the training Toney still might lose.

I'm hearing all the samethings that were said about rjj he wasn't in shape (and don't get me wrong Toney was not in shape as well as Jones being physically drained) but when there were no excuses he still lost and Roy said he was in good shape but he just wasn't motivated. Well James can come into the ring with a body of a Greek god but if it ain't there mentally well........ good night.

with that being said you still can't knock off James Toney he will most likely pull it out.

I'm surprised and disapointed with some of you. Peter won the first fight legit? Thats fukin news to me!!! BIG NEWS!!!
The way I saw it, Toney clearly won the damn fight, never went down, never came close to going down ONCE, let alone THREE damn times like someone we know did. And Toney fought the big puncher like a man, and pounded Peter. I like both guys, but Peter won maybe 4 rounds, which is pretty good, but hardly winnin the fight. My prediction for the second fight is Toney by decision. But if Toney comes in grossly obese and arrogant, knowing that he's already beaten Peter once and been robbed, he may be KO'd. But I highly doubt it. Toney by decision, should be Unanimous, but knowin the bitch judges, it'll be a SD.