How much credit will you give Floyd if he beats Oscar?

I'm interesed in this for alot of reasons but mainly because even though I'm not a fan of the guy,Hatton's win over Tszyu is hardly credited at all and just like Tszyu,Oscar is old,may be even more inactive(how many times has Oscar fought in the last 3 years?3?).

I have said since the fight was announced that I expect Floyd to win,most guys have had a weight/size advantage over Floyd and he has beaten them and I expect him to do the same to Oscar. There will be question marks over Oscar's conditioning for me.

So,of course I'll give Floyd credit for fighting a guy who is still dangerous but I'm not sure how much...is a win over an aging Oscar a career defining achievement? Does it do enough to cement PBF's legacy and will you be sold on the legacy if he is to retire after the fight? Let me know what you think peeps!

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He'll get credit. Oscar isnt just bigger and stronger he has got great skill to go with it. Both Gatti and Baldomir had a size advantage and nothing else. He would get more credit (from me at least) if he stayed at welter and beat Cotto/Margarito/Hatton.

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what i dont understand is he is fighting a great fighter who has fought the best and if he beats him you will give him no credit ?? he will get ton of credit from me as for magarito he hasnt got no real recognition yet and when he fights cotto and if beats him then yea mayweather should fight him then but lets wait and see if he gets past cotto which i dont think he will

i think it is going ot be a re run of ODLH-Hopkins Only this time odlh will be in hopkins shoeus

floyd may have an edge on the skill side but i think odlh will be much to big for him and will ko him in the mid rounds.

Of the supremely talented fighters Oscar fought, Pernell and Shane, he didn't come close for one second to even seriously hurting either one of them, let alone KOing them. I seriously don't get how anyone can predict he'll stop Floyd. If it's the jump in weight people are thinking of, be reminded that Shane jumped not one, but two divisions to meet Oscar and won a UD. DLH will never beat a great technical fighter above 140.

ps--Oscar has a 2 inch height advantage and a one inch reach advantage, hardly any significance in either advantage.

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Of the supremely talented fighters Oscar fought, Pernell and Shane, he didn't come close for one second to even seriously hurting either one of them, let alone KOing them. I seriously don't get how anyone can predict he'll stop Floyd. If it's the jump in weight people are thinking of, be reminded that Shane jumped not one, but two divisions to meet Oscar and won a UD. DLH will never beat a great technical fighter above 140.

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I totally agree,excellent points,Cool Click. I don't see Oscar koing Floyd.

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He'll get credit. Oscar isnt just bigger and stronger he has got great skill to go with it. Both Gatti and Baldomir had a size advantage and nothing else. He would get more credit (from me at least) if he stayed at welter and beat Cotto/Margarito/Hatton.

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Yeah,this is my stance too,he will get credit from me but he would get more from staying at ww and beating those guys and others too.

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i think it is going ot be a re run of ODLH-Hopkins Only this time odlh will be in hopkins shoeus

floyd may have an edge on the skill side but i think odlh will be much to big for him and will ko him in the mid rounds.

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I don't see it that way though, and remember the other variables,like Floyd's speed and if he chooses to use it,the jab could be an important weapon(I don't think Oscar is that comfortable with a jab). Size alone will not win it for Oscar

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what i dont understand is he is fighting a great fighter who has fought the best and if he beats him you will give him no credit ?? he will get ton of credit from me as for magarito he hasnt got no real recognition yet and when he fights cotto and if beats him then yea mayweather should fight him then but lets wait and see if he gets past cotto which i dont think he will

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So if he was to fight and beat Margarito does that mean he gets -25 credit?

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Margarito is not really the issue here,I was just asking what you would think of the win and of course,if Tony did beat Cotto,it would make a Floyd fight more viable..

i think it would be his biggest win so far! i would still like to see him fight cotto and hatton before calling it a day though...

the only thing i would believe to be fair critesisam should he win would be oscars lack of activtiy in the last few years, it does take its tole no doubt - but still would be a hell of a win for him though.

Was quite shocked to oscar has very lil hight or reach over floyd thought, i thought it was gunna be alot like de la hoya v hopkins also untill i read that, now i think floyd has a pretty good chance, if not might get the UD when before i was going with the golden boy by stoppage hands down.

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I would give credit to PBF if he would have stepped in the ring with Tony.

Let me put it to you this way, Sergio Mora wanted to fight Oscar De La Hoya @ 154 or 160
Sergio said that Oscar was an ex champion and past his prime. I can see why Sergio would want that fight but to think that PBF wants this fight? Please. We all know Oscar is going to lose. He will not be able to catch the pretty little weasle. I hope they both run from each other all night long and turn this fight into another Tarver/Roy Jones dancing contest.
Like someone said above, ODLH is not good at all in a higher weight class. Just watch Oscar vs Felix Sturm and you will see how terrible Oscar is ;D and the judges were even worse.

Zero credit to Floyd like I said earlier.
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I would give credit to PBF if he would have stepped in the ring with Tony.

Let me put it to you this way, Sergio Mora wanted to fight Oscar De La Hoya @ 154 or 160
Sergio said that Oscar was an ex champion and past his prime. I can see why Sergio would want that fight but to think that PBF wants this fight? Please. We all know Oscar is going to lose. He will not be able to catch the pretty little weasle. I hope they both run from each other all night long and turn this fight into another Tarver/Roy Jones dancing contest.
Like someone said above, ODLH is not good at all in a higher weight class. Just watch Oscar vs Felix Sturm and you will see how terrible Oscar is ;D and the judges were even worse.

Zero credit to Floyd like I said earlier.
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why all the fuss about tony, hes done fuck all tbh lol - not as if he looked like some superstar in his last fight either, and ims ure his WBO belt is top of floyds new yrs wish list as well

P.S congrads on working out to use to photoshop...

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I would give credit to PBF if he would have stepped in the ring with Tony.

Let me put it to you this way, Sergio Mora wanted to fight Oscar De La Hoya @ 154 or 160
Sergio said that Oscar was an ex champion and past his prime. I can see why Sergio would want that fight but to think that PBF wants this fight? Please. We all know Oscar is going to lose. He will not be able to catch the pretty little weasle. I hope they both run from each other all night long and turn this fight into another Tarver/Roy Jones dancing contest.
Like someone said above, ODLH is not good at all in a higher weight class. Just watch Oscar vs Felix Sturm and you will see how terrible Oscar is ;D and the judges were even worse.

Zero credit to Floyd like I said earlier.
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why all the fuss about tony, hes done fuck all tbh lol - not as if he looked like some superstar in his last fight either, and ims ure his WBO belt is top of floyds new yrs wish list as well

P.S congrads on working out to use to photoshop...

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Anyway.. Miguel Cotto is going to own all the belts in that division:)
Just wait and see.

At first i wondered why .. what happened with danny vs the pbf fans happened..
Now i know..I believed you to be impartial..
But what you have been typing of the last twon post i have read of you...
Are just not true and have no base to your arguement?
You say put it this way and talk about mora?
But put it this way...
If floyd gets zero credit then miguel cotto gets - 100 credit!!
I mean? floyd has at times fought the good fighters..Not great just good...
The Contenders such as Corley..Floyd beat him more convincingly.. Didnt get rocked quite the same either!!
But somehow you have managed to judge floyd on his out of ring attitude maybe ( we all know it sucks) and maybe mixed that in with dislike and love for your favourite fighter... And came out the other side with a poinless.. baseless arguement/statement on how miguel beats floyd hands down?
Its just doesnt happen im afraid my brother...
Take this how you like..This is not beef less you make it beef.. But i certainly disagree...
See what you make of it?
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At first i wondered why .. what happened with danny vs the pbf fans happened..
Now i know..I believed you to be impartial..
But what you have been typing of the last twon post i have read of you...
Are just not true and have no base to your arguement?
You say put it this way and talk about mora?
But put it this way...
If floyd gets zero credit then miguel cotto gets - 100 credit!!
I mean? floyd has at times fought the good fighters..Not great just good...
The Contenders such as Corley..Floyd beat him more convincingly.. Didnt get rocked quite the same either!!
But somehow you have managed to judge floyd on his out of ring attitude maybe ( we all know it sucks) and maybe mixed that in with dislike and love for your favourite fighter... And came out the other side with a poinless.. baseless arguement/statement on how miguel beats floyd hands down?
Its just doesnt happen im afraid my brother...
Take this how you like..This is not beef less you make it beef.. But i certainly disagree...
See what you make of it?
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Cotto stopped Corley in 5 and Corley went the distance with PBF. No one had ever stopped Corley but Corley was taking knees and bowing before Cotto on Feb 25th 2005. Cotto did get rocked by Corley but Cotto came back and stopped Corley.

Yes I brought up Mora because even Mora thinks he can outbox old Oscar in a higher weight class and Sergio is not a thrid of a quick boxer Floyd is. Floyd is just taking another easy fight that he knows he will have no problem winning. I want PBF to fight some one young and in their prime. I want him to fight someone dangerous. Other than Castillo, I can not mention anyone else or great fighter PBF has beat. You said it correctly when you said Floyd fights good fighters but not great fighters. You can not be ther greatest if you are not fighting the great ones. Capiche?

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At first i wondered why .. what happened with danny vs the pbf fans happened..
Now i know..I believed you to be impartial..
But what you have been typing of the last twon post i have read of you...
Are just not true and have no base to your arguement?
You say put it this way and talk about mora?
But put it this way...
If floyd gets zero credit then miguel cotto gets - 100 credit!!
I mean? floyd has at times fought the good fighters..Not great just good...
The Contenders such as Corley..Floyd beat him more convincingly.. Didnt get rocked quite the same either!!
But somehow you have managed to judge floyd on his out of ring attitude maybe ( we all know it sucks) and maybe mixed that in with dislike and love for your favourite fighter... And came out the other side with a poinless.. baseless arguement/statement on how miguel beats floyd hands down?
Its just doesnt happen im afraid my brother...
Take this how you like..This is not beef less you make it beef.. But i certainly disagree...
See what you make of it?
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Cotto stopped Corley in 5 and Corley went the distance with PBF. No one had ever stopped Corley but Corley was taking knees and bowing before Cotto on Feb 25th 2005. Cotto did get rocked by Corley but Cotto came back and stopped Corley.

Yes I brought up Mora because even Mora thinks he can outbox old Oscar in a higher weight class and Sergio is not a thrid of a quick boxer Floyd is. Floyd is just taking another easy fight that he knows he will have no problem winning. I want PBF to fight some one young and in their prime. I want him to fight someone dangerous. Other than Castillo, I can not mention anyone else or great fighter PBF has beat. You said it correctly when you said Floyd fights good fighters but not great fighters. You can not be ther greatest if you are not fighting the great ones. Capiche?

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Diego Corrales was a great fighter until Floyd beat him, then all you Floyd haters said he was garbage. Just like you would surely change your tune on Cotto, Margarito and Hatton after Floyd would dispatch of them. All of the sudden, they would be garbage. Give it up dude. Floyd's better than all three of them combined and there ain't a damn thing you can do about it.

ps--If you think Margarito, Hatton or Cotto are 'great' fighters I suggest you take up following another sport, as you clearly haven't got a clue about this one.

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I would give credit to PBF if he would have stepped in the ring with Tony.

Let me put it to you this way, Sergio Mora wanted to fight Oscar De La Hoya @ 154 or 160
Sergio said that Oscar was an ex champion and past his prime. I can see why Sergio would want that fight but to think that PBF wants this fight? Please. We all know Oscar is going to lose. He will not be able to catch the pretty little weasle. I hope they both run from each other all night long and turn this fight into another Tarver/Roy Jones dancing contest.
Like someone said above, ODLH is not good at all in a higher weight class. Just watch Oscar vs Felix Sturm and you will see how terrible Oscar is ;D and the judges were even worse.

Zero credit to Floyd like I said earlier.
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Simple question, Danny. Who the fuck cares what Sergio Mora thinks? Why even acknowledge what that chump says? And yeah De La Hoya is not the fighter he was at the lighter weights, but he's still more of a threat than a club fighter like Margarito

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At first i wondered why .. what happened with danny vs the pbf fans happened..
Now i know..I believed you to be impartial..
But what you have been typing of the last twon post i have read of you...
Are just not true and have no base to your arguement?
You say put it this way and talk about mora?
But put it this way...
If floyd gets zero credit then miguel cotto gets - 100 credit!!
I mean? floyd has at times fought the good fighters..Not great just good...
The Contenders such as Corley..Floyd beat him more convincingly.. Didnt get rocked quite the same either!!
But somehow you have managed to judge floyd on his out of ring attitude maybe ( we all know it sucks) and maybe mixed that in with dislike and love for your favourite fighter... And came out the other side with a poinless.. baseless arguement/statement on how miguel beats floyd hands down?
Its just doesnt happen im afraid my brother...
Take this how you like..This is not beef less you make it beef.. But i certainly disagree...
See what you make of it?
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Cotto stopped Corley in 5 and Corley went the distance with PBF. No one had ever stopped Corley but Corley was taking knees and bowing before Cotto on Feb 25th 2005. Cotto did get rocked by Corley but Cotto came back and stopped Corley.

Yes I brought up Mora because even Mora thinks he can outbox old Oscar in a higher weight class and Sergio is not a thrid of a quick boxer Floyd is. Floyd is just taking another easy fight that he knows he will have no problem winning. I want PBF to fight some one young and in their prime. I want him to fight someone dangerous. Other than Castillo, I can not mention anyone else or great fighter PBF has beat. You said it correctly when you said Floyd fights good fighters but not great fighters. You can not be ther greatest if you are not fighting the great ones. Capiche?

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Diego Corrales was a great fighter until Floyd beat him, then all you Floyd haters said he was garbage. Just like you would surely change your tune on Cotto, Margarito and Hatton after Floyd would dispatch of them. All of the sudden, they would be garbage. Give it up dude. Floyd's better than all three of them combined and there ain't a damn thing you can do about it.

ps--If you think Margarito, Hatton or Cotto are 'great' fighters I suggest you take up following another sport, as you clearly haven't got a clue about this one.

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Corrales was a great fighter? To you maybe but never to me. That is your opinion not mine. I never said anything about Corrales.
I do not think too highly of Margarito but I find it very funny that PBF is afraid of him and peed on himself when Tony went up behind him and said he wanted to fight him ;D
Hatton is great at 140 and I say he smokes the pretty one in that D.
Cotto looking good in the 147 and I say he smokes PBF in that D.
But we will never know because the pretty scary one is going to retire with out proving either one of us wrong >:mad
You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine and we can make assumptions all day long but the truth is PBF is retiring ;D Thank God. We can talk more about this after his fight with Oscar. Let's see if he sticks to his word about retiring or was he just feeding his gullible fans more lies that they buy from their little king.
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Boo Hoo, hoo...
I am quiting because I say I am the greatest this sport has ever seen and yet I ran from an old bum all night long because I broke a nail. People are mean to me and they booed me and they walked out before the borefest was over :'(

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Mayweather after 28 professional bouts: Top 5 unanimous in every pound-4-pound ranking.

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Floyd will never get credit. Like he said to Merchant after the Baldomir fight," No matter how I win, nothing is good enough, so bring on whoever! Oscar, I'll tax that a** too!" And he will, and Tony, and Cotto. Floyd will one day get KOed like Roy did, but that day isnt' coming soon.

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Miguel Cotto has no contraversial decisions on his resume.

Did you forget the Castillo I fight?

You know he did not do enough to win that fight.

I call them as I see them and a robbery is a robbery.
PBF was no more deserving of winning that fight than Hatton was of winning the fight against Collazo.

That pound for pound list you are so proud of is a fake and a fraud.

PBF should and will get credit IF he beats ODLH.

I will give Floyd alot of credit. I gave him huge credit for beating Bruselles, Judah, Corrales, Chavez, most of his fighters because of the way he makes most of them look average. Now he is stepping up into a higher weight then ever before with a GREAT and i mean great boxer in ODLH. He can punch, is bigger, stronger, has quick hands, great chin. Big props are going out to Floyd if he pulls this off.

DLH is poast his prime, but that's not the point for me.

IF PBF puts on one of his usual performances where he does just enough to win and does a lot of running, I still won't be impressed. Remember, this is a guy running around saying he's the best of all time. A truly great fighter shows that they have all the tools, including heart and guts.

If Floyd looks strong at yet another weight class, shows toughness and fights hard for 12 rounds, then he will have earned my respect as one of the greats.

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I will give Floyd alot of credit. I gave him huge credit for beating Margarito, Judah, Corrales, Chavez, most of his fighters because of the way he makes most of them look average. Now he is stepping up into a higher weight then ever before with a GREAT and i mean great boxer in ODLH. He can punch, is bigger, stronger, has quick hands, great chin. Big props are going out to Floyd if he pulls this off.

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I will give Floyd alot of credit. I gave him huge credit for beating Margarito, Judah, Corrales, Chavez, most of his fighters because of the way he makes most of them look average. Now he is stepping up into a higher weight then ever before with a GREAT and i mean great boxer in ODLH. He can punch, is bigger, stronger, has quick hands, great chin. Big props are going out to Floyd if he pulls this off.

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I will give Floyd alot of credit. I gave him huge credit for beating Brusseles, Judah, Corrales, Chavez, most of his fighters because of the way he makes most of them look average. Now he is stepping up into a higher weight then ever before with a GREAT and i mean great boxer in ODLH. He can punch, is bigger, stronger, has quick hands, great chin. Big props are going out to Floyd if he pulls this off.

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Miguel Cotto has no contraversial decisions on his resume.

Did you forget the Castillo I fight?

You know he did not do enough to win that fight.

I call them as I see them and a robbery is a robbery.
PBF was no more deserving of winning that fight than Hatton was of winning the fight against Collazo.

That pound for pound list you are so proud of is a fake and a fraud.

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Miguel Cotto hasn't fought anyone even in JLC's class. Quintana was a good step up, Cotto is still a flawed fighter that is still learning. Floyd handed JLC his ass in the second fight. BTW, Hatton had a tough night, but I had Hatton winning the fight by a point. Decisions sometimes are controversial in close fights. Cotto is a really good prospect but slow down a bit on him, let's wait for him to fight a couple more fights at 147.

Floyd will never be given credit because while he has a good number of fans, there are an equal number of people who also hate him. I'm giving Floyd credit if he wins because I know that Floyd is a blown up light welter and he just beat a quality light middle.

Beating a great boxer credits respect of people.

Anybody who doesn't just obsessively hate him will give him credit. Would be PBF's best fight since Castillo 2.

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I poured out a gallon of milk on the floor for you over here.

Bring a mop & a bucket. I've got a box of tissues here for you also...two actually.

I have no problems with a guy crying over spilt milk...but only if he cleans it up.









































































**If that's to cerebral for you Danny G...that's an analogy of Crying over Spilt Milk. It'll suit you when Floyd slaughters & humiliates Cotto.

i was thinking how cotto would do against baldo
i was thinking if he would get past the storm zab gave to floyd on the earlier rounds
i was thinking if he would school gatti like that
or maybe i wasnt thinking at all ;D

In response to the question:--

1. if he runs like a biitch all night, pinching points & clinching, ducking and running - then i will despise him even more. NO CREDIT

2. If he puts a beat-down on Oscar then he will earn full credit from me.

3. If he loses IN STYLE, having stood up toe to toe with Oscar, then he will earn more respect from me than 1)

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I poured out a gallon of milk on the floor for you over here.

Bring a mop & a bucket. I've got a box of tissues here for you also...two actually.

I have no problems with a guy crying over spilt milk...but only if he cleans it up.

**If that's to cerebral for you Danny G...that's an analogy of Crying over Spilt Milk. It'll suit you when Floyd slaughters & humiliates Cotto.

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Yes Wacky, you are way too cryptic for me ;D I will have to call you the cerebral assassin from now on ;D
Say what you mean and mean what you say but don't beat around the bush cus that ain't you.!
If you are referring to my comment about Castillo/Mayweather Jr., say so.

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I agree... :o .... BUT, for different reasons, I'm gonna throw some names of sucessful super star athletes that are hated for being excellent in alot of these cases people pick these guys apart like buzzards on a carcass, and they aren't appreciated or werent appreciated until they got older or retired..

1) Ali
2)Oscar Delahoya... It was only a few years ago
3) Roy Jones jr
4) Derek Jeter
5) Michael Jordan
6) Emmit Smith

and many others

Point is until Floyd gets older or retires he will have his legion of haters and skeptics until they realize he is gone or almost gone... Look at that short list above and you know or can remember how disliked they were for whatever reason...

Depends on how Floyd wins....if he wins fair and square by outboxing (not running away) or by stoppage or (haha) KO I'll respect him.

If Floyd runs away the whole night he won't win me over....again he's talented as all hell but he's an arrogant little prick who thinks landing one shot and then running around wins fights and I hope ODH makes him fight!

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....I think Floyd hasn't realized what he has which is why he hasn't stepped up until recently. Oscar is the first GREAT superstar fighter he has fought.

Floyd has ALWAYS had people around to fight but like RJJ he has let those names pass him by or not hung around for them....beating the Hatton's, Cotto's, and Margarito's...there is something to be said about that. Fighting De la Hoya, Mosley, Wright....there is something to be said about that as well.

Greatness isn't given out just by achieving a certain record but it's achieved in who you fight and how you win....and in some cases how you conduct yourself in defeat

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Of the supremely talented fighters Oscar fought, Pernell and Shane, he didn't come close for one second to even seriously hurting either one of them, let alone KOing them. I seriously don't get how anyone can predict he'll stop Floyd. If it's the jump in weight people are thinking of, be reminded that Shane jumped not one, but two divisions to meet Oscar and won a UD. DLH will never beat a great technical fighter above 140.

ps--Oscar has a 2 inch height advantage and a one inch reach advantage, hardly any significance in either advantage.

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I agree with skyler on this all the way; way to break it down, man. And people are saying mayweather gets no credit for beating one of the greatest fighters of the last ten years? jesus. yall must just plain out have something against floyd personally. to move up to 154 and retire delahoya is a huge feat. oscar is not that old. he is still a very very dangerous opponent. stop hatin and give credit where credit is due. cc, skyler. O0 ;D

Some people have this down as an easy night for Floyd, I cant believe that.! I,m not a big fan of Floyd, fantastic ability but I find him a little dull and I have always suspected he'll look for the easiest route through his career and retire undefeated, but with questions still being asked about whether he avoided the really dangerous fights. BUT.. if this fight happens, and I'm still not convinced it will, then Floyd will get massive credit from me just for taking it. ODLH has been a great fighter and, discarding the bouts at middleweight, theres no evidence that he isn't still. I thought he looked fantastic against Mayorga last time out. He has the skills , hand speed and power to give Floyd nightmares, but most important 154lb is huge for Floyd.

Inactivity / age are the imponderables in this fight, no one knows how much they have eroded ODLH, including Floyd. I fear if Floyd wins, no matter how he wins, then he wont get the credit he deserves. For my part I have ODLH down as favourite even if the bookies dont, and I shall be having a little wager... here endeth the rant..

I say if you have the skills and the speed to make another fighter look silly, use it. At that amateur boxing event i attended last month, there was a fight that i find very relevant to floyd's situation.

There was this black boxer, whose long african name escapes me but if i heard it again somewhere i'd probably remember it, upagainst this white boxer at 160 maybe alittle lighter. The white boxer looked like a fish out of water because the black boxer's jab was eating him alive. Every time the white boxer tryed to mount any sort of offense the black boxer shifted from one side to another, leaned left and right, and made the guy look like a fool. His other punches didn't loop very much and were close to his body so he could easily bring them back in mid punch to block an oncoming shot. In my opinion he was the best technical fighter at the entire event and earned the victory by either 2nd or 3rd round stoppage because the white boxer's blood was getting flung all over the ring and the crowd. I actually found the fight very exciting because its rare to see a boxer with that kind of speed and skill.

After the fight me and my friend headed to his work place to get something to eat and ran into a couple of people that were at the fight. We all agreed that the kid in the main event, Sammy Vasquez, would no doubt be an awesome boxer when he goes pro. I bring up the black african boxer and how impressed i was with his ability and a white guy (probably racist) casually responds "Yeah he didn't impress me much. It looked like he was afraid to get hit."

At that point i ended the conversation because i learned something from that guy. Be it racism, lack of unskilled slugging that people find entertaining in ufc matches, or just plain inability to recognize and respect someone's ability, Some people won't give truly gifted fighters the respect they deserve regardless of what they do. People will easily follow a good fighter that a lot of people support but when someone potentially greater than anything they have ever seen or will ever see again comes around they tend to be in disbelief of them and write them off as a fluke or find any reasoning they can to discredit them and their ability.

Ok people look at Floyd as the best and honestly when he was coming up he beat good names but now all he does it chase belts fight easy opponents to make him look better than he is. Mayweather fights dirty and make it look legit using his elbow to make people not wanna get close then he'll pop you with something nice. On March 13,1993 Oscar de la Hoya fought Floyds uncle Jeff Mayweather and knocked him out in the 4th. My point is that was 13 years ago when Oscar was at his prime now he's older with less talent and alot of heart and he fell into mayweathers game. All that Oscar has done he would have been better off fighting tito to avenge his loss. Its so many young hard hitting fast athletic people like floyd but they will never get a chance. For god sakes Oscar beat Ricardo for the belt that he holds now Mayorga is a slugger not a boxer he was destined to loss that fight. Who has Floyd fought with the same speed and moves as him? Nobody, because he's chasing belts and instead of trying to wipe out each division. And at this time in boxing its a new breed raising right in front of us. In the welterweight we have Andre Berto he has what it takes,Mosleys def has what it take, Paul Williams will make it but they will never get a chance at mayweather because he's gonna retire at 29? Thats Pretty gay