Fighters Who Have Been Chased to LOWER Divisions

Can anyone name any fighters who actually were reduced to the humiliation of avoiding competition by not moving up in weight, but actually having to meet the embarrassment of moving down in weight? There's only two instances I can recall. Most recently of course was Ricky Hatton running for the hills back down to the little superlightweight division after escaping with a lucky decision against journeyman Collazo, and of course the other instance was Roy Jones, who after looking around the heavyweight landscape after the Ruiz fight and realizing he would most likely be pounded like New York pizza dough by anyone else in that division, took off back down to 175 faster than speeding bullet. Is there anyone I'm forgetting?

how about tony margarito who lost to daniel santos at 154 and ran back down to welter.

DLH after taking a dive against Hopkins was back down at 154 in his next fight.

Can you really count fighters who moved up past their natural weight for a particular match up before moving to their normal size as is the case with DLH (and possibly Hatton)?

Well Chris Byrd has said he's going back to cruiser after the Klitschko defeat. But you could hardly callhis heavyweight exploits embarrasing

Ricky Hatton. Went to 147 to follow the big boys up, but since he couldn't blow out a game Collazo, he ran back to light welter where things are obviously easier. I really don't like that Hatton couldn't stay at 147. I mean even if the fight was tough, he still won. Not every fight is gonna be an easy predictable knockout for Ricky at welter and I guess that he only wanted fights that were easy predictable knockouts. I would have loved to see Hatton - Mosley or Hatton - Judah or Hatton - Cotto, but instead boxing fans are stuck with Hatton-Urango for a belt that Hatton has already owned before.

I disagree with the Roy Jones Jr. comment... He would have beaten Holyfield, Toney, Byrd

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Originally Posted by Taeth

I disagree with the Roy Jones Jr. comment... He would have beaten Holyfield, Toney, Byrd

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Agreed. CC. Possibly Rahman too. Possibly.

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Originally Posted by albsur2006

Ricky Hatton. Went to 147 to follow the big boys up, but since he couldn't blow out a game Collazo, he ran back to light welter where things are obviously easier. I really don't like that Hatton couldn't stay at 147. I mean even if the fight was tough, he still won. Not every fight is gonna be an easy predictable knockout for Ricky at welter and I guess that he only wanted fights that were easy predictable knockouts. I would have loved to see Hatton - Mosley or Hatton - Judah or Hatton - Cotto, but instead boxing fans are stuck with Hatton-Urango for a belt that Hatton has already owned before.

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I dont think thats fair at all, Urango means he will have fought 3 belt holders in a row, i dont think thats too bad compared to those boxers who sit on their ass and fight mandatories and even crapper opposition (Calzaghe do something ffs). You mention Cotto but apart from Quintanta he hasnt really fought that great a level of opposition at all. Also if Ricky and castillo get through their respective bouts weve got the mouth watering prospect of Hatton-Castillo. Also Hatton is a small guy (5'6) and the only fighter of that size who did any good at welter and above is Duran, and even then he couldnt compete with the best welter's and middles cause he was just too damn small and the huge reach disadvantage.

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Originally Posted by albsur2006

Ricky Hatton. Went to 147...............

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As it was the only option available at the time, it was never meant to be permanent.

Glad we got that cleared up.

Jones Jr was only ever going to be a hit and run job, he hardly got chased out of the division

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Originally Posted by smashcrusher

Can anyone name any fighters who actually were reduced to the humiliation of avoiding competition by not moving up in weight, but actually having to meet the embarrassment of moving down in weight?  There's only two instances I can recall.  Most recently of course was Ricky Hatton running for the hills back down to the little superlightweight division after escaping with a lucky decision against journeyman Collazo, and of course the other instance was Roy Jones, who after looking around the heavyweight landscape after the Ruiz fight and realizing he would most likely be pounded like New York pizza dough by anyone else in that division, took off back down to 175 faster than speeding bullet.  Is there anyone I'm forgetting?

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collazo wasnt a jouryman either he performed very well and as for ricky moving down im glad he did i cant wait to see castillo vs hatton well you cant expect roy jones to stay at heavy wasnt he natrual middleweight or super middleweight ?? he wanted to win a belt at hw just to add to his legacy then move back down but it turned out that was the worst move :(

Jones and Hatton? Jones was a natural Middle weight/Super Middle... and was only ever at Heavy Weight for the one fight... he said he wasn't going to campaign there. Hatton will fight at 147 again if a big enough fight comes up... he is fighting at 140 at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Greig

DLH after taking a dive against Hopkins was back down at 154 in his next fight.

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You've never been hit with a good shot in the body before.

Yeah,I have to take back any ideas about Oscar taking a dive in the B Hop fight..I have seen 3 other fights where liver shots really really do damage, I thought Oscar was being a bit theatrical but I take it back.

and I agree with Hatton and Jones,Jones didn't intend on campaigning at HW and Ricky took a fight that came along...he's at 140 for the time being and that is justified by the fact that he will be fighting Jose Luis Castillo soon...and I'm sure,in the future.once he cleans out 140,he'll go back to 147 for the big fights....

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

Jones and Hatton? Jones was a natural Middle weight/Super Middle... and was only ever at Heavy Weight for the one fight... he said he wasn't going to campaign there. Hatton will fight at 147 again if a big enough fight comes up... he is fighting at 140 at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Greig

DLH after taking a dive against Hopkins was back down at 154 in his next fight.

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You've never been hit with a good shot in the body before.

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I guess I'm agreeing with you,good post.CC.

Already gave you one in the cc fest thread ;)

THe thing about body shots... it's not a sudden thing like a head shot. It feels like electricity spreading from teh area you got hit right down to the tips of your toes... you get hit with one and think "fuck that was hard... doesn't seem to have hurt me too mu... uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurgh" ;D

Not been knocked down before... but taken some pretty hard body shots. Looked legit, why would Oscar through it for?

What could he gain by throwing the fight that he couldn't by getting another title in another weight class by beating THE MAN at Middle Weight.

erik morales after the most awful performance of his career against raheem

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Originally Posted by smashcrusher

Can anyone name any fighters who actually were reduced to the humiliation of avoiding competition by not moving up in weight, but actually having to meet the embarrassment of moving down in weight? There's only two instances I can recall. Most recently of course was Ricky Hatton running for the hills back down to the little superlightweight division after escaping with a lucky decision against journeyman Collazo, and of course the other instance was Roy Jones, who after looking around the heavyweight landscape after the Ruiz fight and realizing he would most likely be pounded like New York pizza dough by anyone else in that division, took off back down to 175 faster than speeding bullet. Is there anyone I'm forgetting?

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You are obviously misinformed...
Do you not repect great fighters and human biengs?
Here is the truth that if you have either heart or sense you will take into account

First off these fighters are great ..Ricky is a two wieght world champ and undefeated in over 40 fights..Think he got there by bieng scared..And lets not forget..He is the man that always wants to beat the man.While everyone else was picking up the paper titles..Ricky always wanted to fight and went for kostya tszyu the former undisputed, and the at the time linear champ!
Now ..Ricky was originally going to fight juan lazcano..
But juan pulled out five weeks before the event with an injury , and so ricky was looking for an opponent
So wba welterweight champ luiz collazo has a date to defend the title .. and Ricky takes this fight with not a great deal of time to fit to the weight..Making weight is one thing..Having trained well enough and bulking up well enough to be effective at a weight is another!
In mine and many others opinions ricky won the fight...Mighty close indeed But he stil won, and got on his way..
So then some haters come out and say ohh ricky lost and ricky runs scared to light welterweight..
He ran nowhere like i said the original plan for to fight lazcano at lww but ricky claimed another prize went back down to where he never intended to leave in the first place.. and someone jumped to conclusions that he's scared....

As for roy jones....
Do you know roys intent having achieved a very rare accomplishment having become one of the very very few original middleweights to have won a heavyweight title.. never mind his other accomplishments...
So you must know of antonio Tarver no?... The one and only most arrogant ignorant barr none fighter out there..
So he comes along to Roy jones- John ruiz post fight conference and says? Wheres my shot roy.. your ducking me bla bla bla... Roy: i just beat a man weighing 40 pounds heavyer then me
Tarver: And im still not impressed? Perhaps to irritate roy into draining his weight back to 175 to fight him ..
Did it work..Yeh it worked! And a weight drained roy jones Still beat tarver..Close fight..But roy was clearly ahead by a two fight margin...Now lets not go into events after this because it has nothing to do with this arguement..

Roys Original intent after beating ruiz for the wba heavyweight title was to have one more fight and retire virtually undefeated..
He wanted this last fight..With mike tyson..And retire.. So he didnt run from the heavyweight division did he?
You claim he couldnt have fought or would'nt have standed a chance against anyone else at heavyweight?
So he could not have beat such fighters as Toney once more? Perhaps..?
Rahman? I'd have roy jones beating him.
i say the roy jones that beat ruiz beats all heavyweight champs out there now , probably barr vlad klit
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So whats the arguemnt?

Hatton wasn't chased back to light welter. That is his natural weight. End of...

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Originally Posted by Tito_BHB

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Originally Posted by smashcrusher

Can anyone name any fighters who actually were reduced to the humiliation of avoiding competition by not moving up in weight, but actually having to meet the embarrassment of moving down in weight? There's only two instances I can recall. Most recently of course was Ricky Hatton running for the hills back down to the little superlightweight division after escaping with a lucky decision against journeyman Collazo, and of course the other instance was Roy Jones, who after looking around the heavyweight landscape after the Ruiz fight and realizing he would most likely be pounded like New York pizza dough by anyone else in that division, took off back down to 175 faster than speeding bullet. Is there anyone I'm forgetting?

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You are obviously misinformed...
Do you not repect great fighters and human biengs?
Here is the truth that if you have either heart or sense you will take into account

First off these fighters are great ..Ricky is a two wieght world champ and undefeated in over 40 fights..Think he got there by bieng scared..And lets not forget..He is the man that always wants to beat the man.While everyone else was picking up the paper titles..Ricky always wanted to fight and went for kostya tszyu the former undisputed, and the at the time linear champ!
Now ..Ricky was originally going to fight juan lazcano..
But juan pulled out five weeks before the event with an injury , and so ricky was looking for an opponent
So wba welterweight champ luiz collazo has a date to defend the title .. and Ricky takes this fight with not a great deal of time to fit to the weight..Making weight is one thing..Having trained well enough and bulking up well enough to be effective at a weight is another!
In mine and many others opinions ricky won the fight...Mighty close indeed But he stil won, and got on his way..
So then some haters come out and say ohh ricky lost and ricky runs scared to light welterweight..
He ran nowhere like i said the original plan for to fight lazcano at lww but ricky claimed another prize went back down to where he never intended to leave in the first place.. and someone jumped to conclusions that he's scared....

As for roy jones....
Do you know roys intent having achieved a very rare accomplishment having become one of the very very few original middleweights to have won a heavyweight title.. never mind his other accomplishments...
So you must know of antonio Tarver no?... The one and only most arrogant ignorant barr none fighter out there..
So he comes along to Roy jones- John ruiz post fight conference and says? Wheres my shot roy.. your ducking me bla bla bla... Roy: i just beat a man weighing 40 pounds heavyer then me
Tarver: And im still not impressed? Perhaps to irritate roy into draining his weight back to 175 to fight him ..
Did it work..Yeh it worked! And a weight drained roy jones Still beat tarver..Close fight..But roy was clearly ahead by a two fight margin...Now lets not go into events after this because it has nothing to do with this arguement..

Roys Original intent after beating ruiz for the wba heavyweight title was to have one more fight and retire virtually undefeated..
He wanted this last fight..With mike tyson..And retire.. So he didnt run from the heavyweight division did he?
You claim he couldnt have fought or would'nt have standed a chance against anyone else at heavyweight?
So he could not have beat such fighters as Toney once more? Perhaps..?
Rahman? I'd have roy jones beating him.
i say the roy jones that beat ruiz beats all heavyweight champs out there now , probably barr vlad klit
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So whats the arguemnt?

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Exactly, there's no argument bro, nice posting :coolclick:

Hatton couldn't fight the big guys at 147 even a "weak" puncher like collazo had him dazed. Then there's Ricardo Mayorga trying to fight Tito Trinidad then he went back down to 154. Mosely was embarassed by Winky Wright, then went down for a short period of time but went back up in weight to fight Vargas.

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Originally Posted by Slacker

Hatton couldn't fight the big guys at 147 even a "weak" puncher like collazo had him dazed. Then there's Ricardo Mayorga trying to fight Tito Trinidad then he went back down to 154. Mosely was embarassed by Winky Wright, then went down for a short period of time but went back up in weight to fight Vargas.

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Mayorga ran back down after the fight with Tito at 160? Uh, not hardly. Mayorga's natural weightclass is 147 for cryin out loud. He only took on Tito cus Don King set him up as a fall guy to Tito, and he still fought his heart out, knocking Tito down, and finally being taken knocked out, but after 8 hard rounds of WAR. The man gave it his all in that fight against probably the hardest puncher P4P of the last decade besides Mike Tyson. Mayorga then went down to 154, and won a world title before being embarassingly beaten by Oscar, but he fought pretty hard in that fight too, just not hard enuff, or smart enuff, thats for damn sure. But Mayorga never belonged at MW, and was not chased outta there, no one chases Ricardo Mayorga outta anything.