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Any boxer at the GOLDEN AGE of Heavyweights would seem lumberjacks if to face Valuev
i dont mean prime foreman, i mean if he unretired and fought him today
great in his day, but now against valuev or any top ten heavys would see him gettin KTFO
You just seen the rocky balboa film ??? ;D
George would lose by corinary heart failure in the 1st :(
obviously we all know what would have happened if george was prime.. :)
George would whip that sum'bitch.....sorry Valuev can't take a punch and George can still give one!
If he could KO Moorer, he wouldn't have any problem KOing Valuev. Whats 12 years anyways? Or 30?
Lol. I love your faith amat. George Foreman is a legend. In his prime he would have absolutely KILLED Valuev. Big Nic woulda looked like Foreman's heavybag when he was training for Ali; he would wind up with a huge dent in his body and maybe one or two in that giant head of his. But now...sadly, Foreman is just too old and too long removed from the game. I dont see him beating Valuev these days and I hope he isnt really considering coming out of retirement. As for Valuev I think the ONLY thing he has going for him is his size. I can't wait to see what happens when he fights a real heavyweight. The problem there is, there really is no REAL heavyweights compared to other eras in boxing history. I'd really like to see him wage a battle of the giants against W. Klitschko, who in my opinion is highly overrated, but still the most skilled and dangerous heavyweight out there right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
WOW! you guys dont give Valuev ANY credit at all.
Big George used his size and strength and power to dominate the guys of his era. All of those would be lost against Valuev. Sure George moped up Fraizer. Frazier was what? 5'10"??
Frazier's Defense was always weak. The crossed arm Archie moore style. He sort of ignored guys punches and shook 'em off,I dont think he could shake off Valuev overhand right and every punch is heavy.
I say Valuev tires him out! George gassed against Ali! In 1973 against Fraizer "BIG" George weighed 217!! Get a 7'3" 350lb guy leaning on him holding and pushing him around and George gasses out and gets clubbed out! George was the neanderthal of his day. Big haymaker clubbing punches. Valuev is the Super-monster of 2007! The more I think about it the more I think Valuev would KO George in his prime. I know I'm all alone on this. But wait! Big George is a lot like Jameel Mccline!
Lets see what happens to him vs Valuev. The early Foreman was aggressive but smallish,the later was bigger but less aggressive (like McCline) I say Valuev beats em both!
Hey call me stupid!? :dunce: :LOLATYOU:
Convince me I'm wrong! :ears: :fart3:
....out of all the title holders in the history of heavyweight boxing I Valuev tops the list of fighters I am not scared of.
George might LOOK like McCline but he had more power than McCline could ever dream of
I agree.... Big George would go crashing down!Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
:( foreman is really old, Valuev is in his prime, this thread is really irrelevant!
Wow! I can not beleive you just said that Frazier would be KO'd by a guy who has barely managed to squeeze by when faced with an old Larry Donald and John Ruiz. Please tell me that was a joke. Valuev's size is awesome. To bad he can't even establish distance. Valuev also has about the worst reaction time I've ever seen from a boxer. Let's see him try to move his frame out of the way of a Frazier left hook. I would be like hitting a Yeti with his hands tied behind his back.Quote:
Originally Posted by landmine950
Gotta say man...I'm failing to....Quote:
Originally Posted by landmine950
....It all makes sense to me now. I would laugh but I think your serious.Quote:
Originally Posted by landmine950
Its very common for people to talk about the old days...in any sport.
The fact is that old atheletes could not compete with modern atheletes period. In any quantitative sport it is obvious. 100 yard dash,weight lifting etc. There is no question. It is resonable to assume that the same would hold true for other athletic events such as boxing.
I thought my argument was well expressed. Foreman was great against 5'10 frazier. Foreman was "big" at 217 pounds. He would be destroyed today. Maskaev,Rahman etc are all 245+ and much better all around boxers. Athletes are better conditioned,trained etc and there is a 1000 times larger pool of athletes competing for spots in professional sports. I think every top 10 fighter today would beat any fighter from the 60's. Thats why i dont usually get into these type of discussions. In the javalin throw in track and field they had to re-design the javalin because the athletes were throwing it so far it was landing in the stands! They would have had to make it a seperate event held outside of the stadiums! To say that some javelin gold medalist from 1940 would beat the best in the world today is ridiculous. The numbers dont lie. I like to see current fighters getting the credit and recognision that they deserve. I laugh when people snort at minor belts like NABF or something. Try and win one, see how easy it is. Hey I may be wrong. But teh more i defend Valuev...the more I like him! Hope he proves me right agains Jameel Mcline!
Mate...it's Jameel McCline. The guy who lost to Zuri Lawrence.
You know, if Valuev was out beating the Klitschkos and Toneys of the world I would see how the argument could be made. But he's getting gift decisions over Ruiz and Donald. Now...if you honestly think that Ruiz and Donald were in the ring with Foreman in the 70's that they would even survive 3 rounds....you're wrong. Plain and simple. Heavyweights haven't evolved nearly as much as the lower weights. And boxing evolves nowhere near as fast as any other sport because it's not a sport that is almost solely reliant on conditioning.
Ok here's your chance to say I'm on crack.
I think that a boxer like Chris Byrd today is twice the master boxer of Ali in his prime. Larry Donald is a very good boxer and probably Ali's equal in overall physical ability,speed,jab,ring generalship etc. The thing of course that sets individuals apart is character,which some guys,like McCline are lacking in. Ruiz is a frustrating fighter whose style i personally hate but has proven himself against the top guys for a long time,much to my dismay. Guys like Joe Frazier if he fought todays fighters wouldn't make the top 20.
Please keep a look out for my
"Valuev's record is better than Rocky Marciano's, post"
with accompanying opinion poll.
AgreedQuote:
Originally Posted by yoitsdan
landmine you defended valuev on the other thread now there is nothing wrong with that but this is getting bit silly now  :-\ 90s foreman would beat valuev the foreman now would probably have a heart attack enuff said or maybe cook valuev some hamburgers :)
athletics is totally different they train hard and they have steroids :) hws today dont train at all and there all fat name me one hw now thats in really good shape ??Quote:
Originally Posted by landmine950
athletics is totally different they train hard and they have steroids hws today dont train at all and there all fat
name me one hw now thats in really good shape ??
Shannon briggs
Rocky
James Toney
see their pics below
George still hits hard and im pretty sure he's one good shot away from becoming the oldest heavyweight champion again.
:sadclick:Quote:
Originally Posted by landmine950
WTF are you on!? Byrd a better fighter than ali? (In the words of the little nicky rendition of hitler in hell) Are you Snirious!? Byrd has gotten man handled in the ring b4. He is a two time world champion for the following reasons: 1st time: Vitali quit and that is the only way byrd wins that fight because he was dominated on points and couldn't ko vitali if vitali let him have 12 rounds of unblocked shots. 2nd time: he out boxed an old holyfield who is probably a beter fighter today than he was back when he lost to byrd. Ali avenged all of his losses and was the first three time world champion when the title was unified meaning he beat the best to get the belt. The only thing Larry Donald was equal to with ali is skin color and nation of birth and that is it.
Joe frazier in his prime would whoop ruiz's boring ass. In fact frazier would be a very high ranked fighter today maybe not undisputed champ but close. He was actually in good shape, had a mean left hook, and went to the body alot. You say frustrating, i say ruiz just grabs onto people until they lose interest in putting up a fight.
Comparing valuev to marciano isn't even a valid argument from any possible view. Marciano while he lacked in technical greatness made up for it with great power. Valuev while he lacks in technical greatness makes up for it with his guaranteed induction into a museum as the only living proof of the existance of a yeti.
jimmy young is better fight than chris byrd atleast he beat foreman got draw with shavers and gave ali and norton two tough fights with both decision could of gone his way
that pic of briggs looks like its 10 years old this is him nowQuote:
Originally Posted by landmine950
http://www.13thround.com/siteimages/briggs04.jpg
bit of difference now wouldnt you say :-\
Wha about RJJ?
you mean hw in shape ?? if you do mate he doesnt really class as hw he only fought there onceQuote:
Originally Posted by yoitsdan
I think every top 10 fighter today would beat any fighter from the 60's. Thats why i dont usually get into these type of discussions.Same here mate
you gotta be kidding so shannon briggs valuev and wlad would beat joe fraizer cassius clay and sonny liston ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
In my opinion it wouldn't even be a contest. Only Ali because of his style would have any chance of not looking pathetic against even the smaller heavies today.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
lol muhammad ali is one of the most gifted boxers ever he fought best opp and he would wipe the floor with the hopeless hws todayQuote:
Originally Posted by landmine950
Well there ya go! thats what makes these discussions interesting.
WHERE THE FUK IS LYLE? LOOK AT SLY LYLE AND TELL ME HES ONLY 154lb , you twat!Quote:
Originally Posted by landmine950
In Rocky 4 he was 154...AMC said so cunt....you messin with me you messin with the best fool!
I think foreman would break him in half!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
He'd do VERY well but he'd have trouble with Wladimir I'm fairly certain unless it was a 15 rounder and Wlad gassed out.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Fact is Ali didn't do AS WELL vs tall boxers with a good jab especially anyone as athletic as Wlad not to mention a guy who hits that hard.
*Not saying Wladimir would beat Ali, just saying it wouldn't be easy.....much like the Ali-Norton fights.
The younger Ali was the better he would do vs Wlad
No way was Stallone 154 pounds in Rocky 4. I believe he was just over 200 in Rocky 3, meaning he was 46 pounds lighter next time around?
Maybe Micky lost that much weight but not Rocky.
I'm just saying he's a short little guy and it's not like he was beefed up he was just ripped there is a HUGE difference.
EXAMPLE
Arnold in "Pumping Iron" = BEEFED UP
Bruce Lee "Enter The Dragon" = RIPPED
or maybe this works better
Olympic Swimmer = ripped
Pro Wrsetler = BEEFED
And the reason Sly got so small in 4 was to make Dolph look that much bigger
Why would they need to make him look bigger? He was built like a brick shit house anyway wasn't he?
i honestly dont know amean monte almost knocked valuevout in the girst round and he is nuttin speacial and foreman carries a big punch but wow ........... if george catches him with thefirst punch he wins if he misses he looses cuz hell pass out