razor ruddock vs evander holyfield prime for prime who wins

holyfield and ruddock were supposed to fight but it never happened but if it did happen who do you think would win ??

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

holyfield and ruddock were supposed to fight but it never happened but if it did happen who do you think would win ??

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fuk,thats a tough one ???...but ill go with ruddick for a points victory,ruddick had a excellent chin/heart back in the day,he could take huge punishment, but so could holyfeild for that matter,so not to sure,would have been awsome fight ,but i think maybe ruddicks size would get the better of evander...
...whats ur oppinion,ice 8)

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Originally Posted by stavros693000

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

holyfield and ruddock were supposed to fight but it never happened but if it did happen who do you think would win ??

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fuk,thats a tough one ???...but ill go with ruddick for a points victory,ruddick had a excellent chin/heart back in the day,he could take huge punishment, but so could holyfeild for that matter,so not to sure,would have been awsome fight ,but i think maybe ruddicks size would get the better of evander...
...whats ur oppinion,ice 8)

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i think holyfield by points victory i think holyfield may have to box like he did vs bowe in 2nd fight get in and out stick and move because if he fights on inside vs ruddock he could be over powered like he was with bowe

I think Holyfield would have too much for him, but Razor was no push over. Holyfield UD but Evander would have been intimidated by Razor's punching power.

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

holyfield and ruddock were supposed to fight but it never happened but if it did happen who do you think would win ??

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fuk,thats a tough one ???...but ill go with ruddick for a points victory,ruddick had a excellent chin/heart back in the day,he could take huge punishment, but so could holyfeild for that matter,so not to sure,would have been awsome fight ,but i think maybe ruddicks size would get the better of evander...
...whats ur oppinion,ice 8)

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Lol. I think this fight is a joke. Holyfield wouldve whipped his ass! Maybe wouldnt knock him out but would have won a totally lopsided decision. Ruddock was never that good, he was a big, slow, clumsy ox. Sure he was strong. Sure he knocked out Michael Dokes. Who hadnt? Tyson outboxed him twice (yes the first was stopped prematurely but it would have ended the same way)...wtf do you think Holyfield wouldve done to him? Only way Ruddock stands a chance of not being made into a human punching bag is if he fought Evander when he was having heart problems. I dont think this would have been an awesome fight. There was a reason it never happened. Holyfield fights champions and Ruddock was never anything more than a mediocre contender. Tommy Morrison fought an exciting fight with him sure, stood toe to toe and kicked Ruddock's ass at the end. Lennox Lewis ABSOLUTELY FUCKING KILLED him! I dont know what you are thinking comparing him to a prime Holyfield. A better match would be Ruddock against Briggs or Valuev or maybe prime Ruddock against the Holyfield who fought Lewis back in what, '98-'99? Then maybe it would have been competitive.

Holyfield would win a hard fought decision he did such a good job of smothering power punchers in his prime and his workrate was pretty tough to beat as well

Ahh!! you gotta be kidding.... :(
ICE are you just putting up whatever names come to mind now, so you could create threads? ???

Holyfield would mop the fucken arena with Ruddock....

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holyfield and ruddock were supposed to fight but it never happened but if it did happen who do you think would win ??

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fuk,thats a tough one ???...but ill go with ruddick for a points victory,ruddick had a excellent chin/heart back in the day,he could take huge punishment, but so could holyfeild for that matter,so not to sure,would have been awsome fight ,but i think maybe ruddicks size would get the better of evander...
...whats ur oppinion,ice 8)

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Lol. I think this fight is a joke. Holyfield wouldve whipped his a**! Maybe wouldnt knock him out but would have won a totally lopsided decision. Ruddock was never that good, he was a big, slow, clumsy ox. Sure he was strong. Sure he knocked out Michael Dokes. Who hadnt? Tyson outboxed him twice (yes the first was stopped prematurely but it would have ended the same way)...wtf do you think Holyfield wouldve done to him? Only way Ruddock stands a chance of not being made into a human punching bag is if he fought Evander when he was having heart problems. I dont think this would have been an awesome fight. There was a reason it never happened. Holyfield fights champions and Ruddock was never anything more than a mediocre contender. Tommy Morrison fought an exciting fight with him sure, stood toe to toe and kicked Ruddock's a** at the end. Lennox Lewis ABSOLUTELY F****** KILLED him! I dont know what you are thinking comparing him to a prime Holyfield. A better match would be Ruddock against Briggs or Valuev or maybe prime Ruddock against the Holyfield who fought Lewis back in what, '98-'99? Then maybe it would have been competitive.

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hey pal ,i said i wasnt sure,and it would be competitive...holyfield was never a heavy weight ko specalist and he would not ko ruddick in his prime,maybe u should watch some old film of ruddick in his hay day,he could take tremendous amounts of punishment....i think the 2 tyson fights took alot out of ruddick,he wasnt the same after that..

......but i dont know who would win,it would be left up to the judges ;D

I agree with diamond dave but maybe not as strong.
Razor was strong and had a huge left hook but if Tyson beat him twice and Evander beat Tyson twice,It makes it a pretty tough argument to make.
Notice that Ruddock was ANOTHER tough CANADIAN!

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Originally Posted by landmine950

I agree with diamond dave but maybe not as strong.
Razor was strong and had a huge left hook but if Tyson beat him twice and Evander beat Tyson twice,It makes it a pretty tough argument to make.
Notice that Ruddock was ANOTHER tough CANADIAN!

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u cant use tyson/holyfeild as a comparison as to who would win,i dont even want to get into this,but styles make fights and i know ice will get upset about this but tyson was so past his best when he fought holyfeild,and he will say so was holy,but holy trained hard for 15 weeks,tyson didnt and it showed ,he was out of gas by the 6th rd 8)

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I agree with diamond dave but maybe not as strong.
Razor was strong and had a huge left hook but if Tyson beat him twice and Evander beat Tyson twice,It makes it a pretty tough argument to make.
Notice that Ruddock was ANOTHER tough CANADIAN!

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Yup he was another tough canadian. and like it or not, canadians ARE very tough (well maybe not FRENCH canadians...lol JK)! In most parts (if not all if am not mistaken) of canada it is illegal to own guns, so the average people there are into martial arts/boxing/etc from an early age. There is a huge amount of fighting talent in canada. Look at what George St. Pierre just did to Matt Hughes. I have a lot of respect for canadian fighters. One of my trainers is canadian and dude is a bad ass for sure. Im not sayin Ruddock didnt have a great chin and could hit hard. I just dont think he is in the same league as the only 4 time heavyweight champion in history.

Rudduck was in many ways like a post prison Tyson or old Bowe...he had power but he got tired and he came in overweight a lot....Holyfield was ALWAYS in great shape and he could take a lot of punishment....more than I think Razor could dish out

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Originally Posted by landmine950

I agree with diamond dave but maybe not as strong.
Razor was strong and had a huge left hook but if Tyson beat him twice and Evander beat Tyson twice,It makes it a pretty tough argument to make.
Notice that Ruddock was ANOTHER tough CANADIAN!

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Yup he was another tough canadian. and like it or not, canadians ARE very tough (well maybe not FRENCH canadians...lol JK)! In most parts (if not all if am not mistaken) of canada it is illegal to own guns, so the average people there are into martial arts/boxing/etc from an early age. There is a huge amount of fighting talent in canada. Look at what George St. Pierre just did to Matt Hughes. I have a lot of respect for canadian fighters. One of my trainers is canadian and dude is a bad a** for sure. Im not sayin Ruddock didnt have a great chin and could hit hard. I just dont think he is in the same league as the only 4 time heavyweight champion in history.

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yeah but why is holy 4 time champ,cause he beat ruiz and a fat peice of sh!t douglas? ;D

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

Ahh!! you gotta be kidding.... :(
ICE are you just putting up whatever names come to mind now, so you could create threads? ???

Holyfield would mop the fucken arena with Ruddock....

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hey mick this threads turning into a good debate,i love bringing up tysons name..It always gets me into arguments ;D

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

Ahh!! you gotta be kidding.... :(
ICE are you just putting up whatever names come to mind now, so you could create threads? ???

Holyfield would mop the fucken arena with Ruddock....

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Excellent post ! Truth be told ! Ruddocks skills were shit ! O0

I have a lot of respect for Evander....I hate his style but I respect the guy, he's 100% warrior

Rudduck was decent but NOWHERE NEAR Holyfield

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Originally Posted by Lords Gym

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

Ahh!! you gotta be kidding.... :(
ICE are you just putting up whatever names come to mind now, so you could create threads? ???

Holyfield would mop the fucken arena with Ruddock....

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Excellent post ! Truth be told ! Ruddocks skills were S*** ! O0

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alright how bout, prime ruddick vs prime tucker,or were tony t's skills sh!t as well ;D

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Originally Posted by stavros693000

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

holyfield and ruddock were supposed to fight but it never happened but if it did happen who do you think would win ??

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fuk,thats a tough one ???...but ill go with ruddick for a points victory,ruddick had a excellent chin/heart back in the day,he could take huge punishment, but so could holyfeild for that matter,so not to sure,would have been awsome fight ,but i think maybe ruddicks size would get the better of evander...
...whats ur oppinion,ice 8)

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Lol. I think this fight is a joke. Holyfield wouldve whipped his ass! Maybe wouldnt knock him out but would have won a totally lopsided decision. Ruddock was never that good, he was a big, slow, clumsy ox. Sure he was strong. Sure he knocked out Michael Dokes. Who hadnt? Tyson outboxed him twice (yes the first was stopped prematurely but it would have ended the same way)...wtf do you think Holyfield wouldve done to him? Only way Ruddock stands a chance of not being made into a human punching bag is if he fought Evander when he was having heart problems. I dont think this would have been an awesome fight. There was a reason it never happened. Holyfield fights champions and Ruddock was never anything more than a mediocre contender. Tommy Morrison fought an exciting fight with him sure, stood toe to toe and kicked Ruddock's ass at the end. Lennox Lewis ABSOLUTELY FUCKING KILLED him! I dont know what you are thinking comparing him to a prime Holyfield. A better match would be Ruddock against Briggs or Valuev or maybe prime Ruddock against the Holyfield who fought Lewis back in what, '98-'99? Then maybe it would have been competitive.

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Your exactly right. ! The part of you post I highlighted sums it up quite nicely ! O0 Cool click C in 24

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Ahh!! you gotta be kidding.... :(
ICE are you just putting up whatever names come to mind now, so you could create threads? ???

Holyfield would mop the fucken arena with Ruddock....

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Excellent post ! Truth be told ! Ruddocks skills were S*** ! O0

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alright how bout, prime ruddick vs prime tucker,or were tony t's skills sh!t as well ;D

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I would take a prime Tony Tucker over Ruddock !

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Ahh!! you gotta be kidding.... :(
ICE are you just putting up whatever names come to mind now, so you could create threads? ???

Holyfield would mop the fucken arena with Ruddock....

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Excellent post ! Truth be told ! Ruddocks skills were S*** ! O0

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alright how bout, prime ruddick vs prime tucker,or were tony t's skills sh!t as well ;D

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I would take a prime Tony Tucker over Ruddick !

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i agrre wit u,that ruddick was shite,im just trying to start a good ol fashioned debate to kill the bordom....if we all agreed there would be no argument,i like to argue at times....BUT YEAH RUDDICK IS A BIG SLOW CUMSEY PEICE OF CANADIAN SHITE ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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I have a lot of respect for Evander....I hate his style but I respect the guy, he's 100% warrior

Rudduck was decent but NOWHERE NEAR Holyfield

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Hate Evander's style?

hhhmm?? Top condition always. Aggressive, Very hard to KO. Decent boxing skills. Took on all comers. Man I don't get it! Whats to hate?
Dont forget the guy came up from 176!!!! fought guys like Foreman who weighed 257!! What didn't you like? The only knock I have EVER had against the guy was when he said that God told him he'd KO Lewis in the 3rd. Then when It didn't happen he should have come out and said, "hey I was wrong, obviously God didn't tell me that. Sorry for the mistake" for the sake of his testimony as a Christian which is very important to him.
Other than that,(a personal issue) I always liked him and hope he gets a chance soon against some soft touch belt holder so he can quit ontop or lay it to rest.

He smothered fighter, tied them up, and head butted like a son of a bitch.....that's all. As compared to Tyson who threw punches in bunches and bobbed and weaved and THEN tied up...he was dirty too but he had the power to really intrigue people....Evander is a heavyweight version of Bernard Hopkins....I just didn't dig his style but I do wish Tyson fought the guys he did and had that kind of dedication to the sport

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Ahh!! you gotta be kidding.... :(
ICE are you just putting up whatever names come to mind now, so you could create threads? ???

Holyfield would mop the fucken arena with Ruddock....

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Excellent post ! Truth be told ! Ruddocks skills were S*** ! O0

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alright how bout, prime ruddick vs prime tucker,or were tony t's skills sh!t as well ;D

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I would take a prime Tony Tucker over Ruddick !

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i agrre wit u,that ruddick was shite,im just trying to start a good ol fashioned debate to kill the bordom....if we all agreed there would be no argument,i like to argue at times....BUT YEAH RUDDICK IS A BIG SLOW CUMSEY PEICE OF CANADIAN SHITE ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Well he beat Greg Page who was a WBA champ, Dokes and 37 other guys (with 28 ko's) Had Tommy Morrison down. 2 good fights against Tyson.
He fought and held the Canadian Heavyweight Title and treated it with respect. Not passing over it or Dissin' It like lots of guys do. I respect him for that alone. He did KO my Buddy Ken Lakusta though...
The fight was for the Canadian Heavyweight Championship and was fought in SAKATOON,SASKATCHEWAN!! It was in may it was probably still -30 outside! lmao! Hey if he's Canadian shit?. then our shit gave the "baddest man on the planet" all he could f#ckin' handle for 2 fights! Imagine what our "cream" could do??? Oh ya....that's Lennox! who beat Klitschko so bad he took more stiches than Frankenstiens Monster! lmao!

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I have a lot of respect for Evander....I hate his style but I respect the guy, he's 100% warrior

Rudduck was decent but NOWHERE NEAR Holyfield

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Hate his style ??? Lyle ???

what part of his style do you hate ??? Evander staying in the pocket and keeping constant offense going? ?? not taking any shit from Mickey Mouse formally called Mighty Mike ??? coming in correct????? Being in great shape??? making the bigger man dig deep to try and compete?

Go back and watch Evander fight , Tyson , Foreman, Bowe, Cooper, Douglas, Tell me what’s not to like about his style ! hehehe? Infact you have to go back that far to see a good heavyweight match ! ;)

todays Heavyweights auh shit ! O0 cheers mate ! O0

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In most parts (if not all if am not mistaken) of canada it is illegal to own guns, so the average people there are into martial arts/boxing/etc from an early age.

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I'm not sure about that - all my family on my dad's side are Canadians now, and when I go there (which is a lot) the average city Canadian kid seems to be a bit soft and spoiled? Lots of Playstations and obesity there, plus a real car culture so nobody ever walks anywhere much in Toronto anyway?

I'm sure that there are lots of talented fighters, but in a population of only about 30 million, I doubt the 'average' generalisation really works? They sem pretty much like the Brits and the Yanks in the towns, and like the Aussies out in the country?

Only my view though?

I too think prime Ruddock v Holyfield would be competitive. Rudduck would be world champion if he was around now.

I've seen those fights...the action is good and all but he still leads with his head, he smothers his opponent...it's all very blue collar, nothing flashy.

I didn't complain about his opponent selection or his shape just the fact he fouls all the time and he ties up all the time....people give Wlad shit about clinching so much but Evander ALWAYS does that.

Holyfield-Ruiz is where you really see that

I never seen the fouls ? I'd like to see an example of the fouls you mention. yeah Holyfield - Ruiz was clinch fest, Ruiz being the culprit there.. Evader’s prime fights, he never held but just for a moment , maybe after throwing a 15 punch combination he would catch his breath.. Evander in his prime was the standard for excellence in professional boxing . O0

leading with his head? who doesn’t ? if you coming in for the attack your head is going to lead you.. where else it gonna be? behind you? show me a fighter that is being aggressive that don't lead with the head? Chavez would always lead with the head to rip those body shots. hell everyone that’s any good is gonna commit to their punches ! O0

Ruiz's style didn't help the matter but Holyfield ALWAYS fought like that....just the other guy didn't clinch back as much.

Holyfield is a prime time fouler....he headbutts ALL THE TIME intentional or not he does it and it helps him win......ask Hasim Rahman (though I thought Rahman was going to lose anyways).

It just gets annoying is all....Holyfield's head should be illegal! Nothing dents that thing!!!

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

Ahh!! you gotta be kidding.... :(
ICE are you just putting up whatever names come to mind now, so you could create threads? ???

Holyfield would mop the fucken arena with Ruddock....

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My exact thoughts as i opened the thread!

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

Ahh!! you gotta be kidding.... :(
ICE are you just putting up whatever names come to mind now, so you could create threads? ???

Holyfield would mop the fucken arena with Ruddock....

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I agree on both points. Ruddock had "The Smash" and that was it. Holyfield is an elite fighter. Ruddock is not

IMO I don't think Razor Ruddock ever did in his entire career to consider him beating a top all time heavyweight like Evander.

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IMO I don't think Razor Ruddock ever did in his entire career to consider him beating a top all time heavyweight like Evander.

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CC . This I say ! ;) hats off to him for opening up some good boxing dialog tho.. keep the threads moving while we in a boxing down time ! O0

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Ahh!! you gotta be kidding....  :(
ICE are you just putting up whatever names come to mind now, so you could create threads?   ???

Holyfield would mop the fucken arena with Ruddock....

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My exact thoughts as i opened the thread!

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whats with all the hating lol ive actually always wondered about this match up because they were supposed to fight and never did they used to say holyfield ducked him but i doubt that and no im putting up whatever names comes to mind this has been on my mind a while just wanted to know what you thought  8)

I think Donavan was ne of the top fighters from his generation up there with Lewis , Tyson , Holy and Bowe .

His left hook would have casued Evander alot of problems but teh real deal always answers with a left hook so it shapes out like being an explosive fight . Evander would bounce in and out with his overhand right and the uppercut would be waiting for him . Overall Holyfield is the more fundamentally sound boxer and if it went late which I expect it to , his extra class and ringcraft would just edge it for him . He also has proven himself to have the more reliable whiskers of the two so afer a good tear up , Rudduck would be losing composure and Evander would be sticking to his gameplan to grind out a close UD

Holyfield would win a hard but widepoints decision.

Rudock was strong but, 1 dimentional always going for the KO with the big left hook.

In his prime EH would outwork,outpunch and outthink Ruddock.

what are u peeps talking about? the few of u that think evander would mop the floor with ruddick is just horse sh!t. Sh!t,holyfeild couldnt even ko foreman or holmes and they had a combined age of 85.

young razor ruddick would give holy all sorts of trouble,this would be very competitive.

and lyle,i agree with u holyfield was a down right dirty SOB,i cant beleive he never got pulled up for all the blatent fouls.

and who said he wasnt dirty? well look at tyson /holyfeild again. Tyson went through 45 pro fights and never been cut, and gets in with holy,and gets butted repeatedly,tyson was cut in both fights from intensional fouling. And all the clinching,thats how he tired out an unfit tyson,every time they got close,holy would tie him up,that is all so a foul

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I have a lot of respect for Evander....I hate his style but I respect the guy, he's 100% warrior

Rudduck was decent but NOWHERE NEAR Holyfield

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Hate his style ??? Lyle ???

what part of his style do you hate ??? Evander staying in the pocket and keeping constant offense going? ?? not taking any S*** from Mickey Mouse formally called Mighty Mike ??? coming in correct????? Being in great shape??? making the bigger man dig deep to try and compete?

Go back and watch Evander fight , Tyson , Foreman, Bowe, Cooper, Douglas, Tell me what’s not to like about his style ! hehehe? Infact you have to go back that far to see a good heavyweight match ! ;)

todays Heavyweights auh S*** ! O0 cheers mate ! O0

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It may be that the Countries economy is resourse based.
Therefore there is a larger segment of the population working as loggers,Oil field workers,fishermen,farmers,ranchers etc. This provides a strong pool of tough blue collar types,and good support for boxing. I hate to admit it but the frenchie are tough ass bast@rds too.
I think Canada has a good representaion in boxing considering the smaller population (1/10 that of the usa)

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Ahh!! you gotta be kidding.... :(
ICE are you just putting up whatever names come to mind now, so you could create threads? ???

Holyfield would mop the fucken arena with Ruddock....

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Excellent post ! Truth be told ! Ruddocks skills were S*** ! O0

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alright how bout, prime ruddick vs prime tucker,or were tony t's skills sh!t as well ;D

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I would take a prime Tony Tucker over Ruddick !

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i agrre wit u,that ruddick was shite,im just trying to start a good ol fashioned debate to kill the bordom....if we all agreed there would be no argument,i like to argue at times....BUT YEAH RUDDICK IS A BIG SLOW CUMSEY PEICE OF CANADIAN SHITE ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Well he beat Greg Page who was a WBA champ, Dokes and 37 other guys (with 28 ko's) Had Tommy Morrison down. 2 good fights against Tyson.
He fought and held the Canadian Heavyweight Title and treated it with respect. Not passing over it or Dissin' It like lots of guys do. I respect him for that alone. He did KO my Buddy Ken Lakusta though...
The fight was for the Canadian Heavyweight Championship and was fought in SAKATOON,SASKATCHEWAN!! It was in may it was probably still -30 outside! lmao! Hey if he's Canadian S***?. then our S*** gave the "baddest man on the planet" all he could f#ckin' handle for 2 fights! Imagine what our "cream" could do??? Oh ya....that's Lennox! who beat Klitschko so bad he took more stiches than Frankenstiens Monster! lmao!

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yeah ruddick was alright,but are u claiming lewis,i thought the english claim lewis as there own...now im confused ??? so what nationality is he then?

Looking back my view is the job Lewis did on Ruddock was one of his best performances. that night Lewis wasnt far of his best, he was young and hungary.

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Looking back my view is the job Lewis did on Ruddock was one of his best performances. that night Lewis wasnt far of his best, he was young and hungary.

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so is that were lewis is from,HUNGARY!...thanks for clearing that up old man ;D