Overrated/Underrated

Just bored, so who's overrated, who's underrated. Doesn't even have to be fighters really, could be trainers, announcers, whatever.

Overrated

HBO
Paul Williams--fight somebody
Miranda's win over Gibbs--Miranda's good but Gibbs was brought in cause he was chinny as hell
Jorge Arce in a P4P sense--he doesn't fight nearly good enough opposition to be P4P, not even close

Underrated

Showtime
Floyd Mayweather as an exciting fighter--Sure Baldomir and Castillo 2 were snoozers, but he's not the runner that some people make him out to be
Jose Luis Castillo--How this guy is not on everybody's top five P4P is beyond me
James Toney--He started at 160 and just outboxed a 250 pound Sam Peter, yet you almost never see him on P4P lists
Joel Casamayor-I don't think he is, but you could make a case he's undefeated against very good opposition
Ignacio Beristain-horrible manager, but a great trainer

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

Just bored, so who's overrated, who's underrated. Doesn't even have to be fighters really, could be trainers, announcers, whatever.

Overrated

HBO
Paul Williams--fight somebody
Miranda's win over Gibbs--Miranda's good but Gibbs was brought in cause he was chinny as hell
Jorge Arce in a P4P sense--he doesn't fight nearly good enough opposition to be P4P, not even close

Underrated

Showtime
Floyd Mayweather as an exciting fighter--Sure Baldomir and Castillo 2 were snoozers, but he's not the runner that some people make him out to be
Jose Luis Castillo--How this guy is not on everybody's top five P4P is beyond me
James Toney--He started at 160 and just outboxed a 250 pound Sam Peter, yet you almost never see him on P4P lists
Joel Casamayor-I don't think he is, but you could make a case he's undefeated against very good opposition
Ignacio Beristain-horrible manager, but a great trainer

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I wouldnt say that Toney is underated, most people respect him hugely as a boxer just really dislike his personality. I pretty much agree with the rest of this list. :coolclick: btw good topic!

Joe Calzaghe needs on the overated list until he steps up his opponents.

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

Just bored, so who's overrated, who's underrated. Doesn't even have to be fighters really, could be trainers, announcers, whatever.

Overrated

HBO
Paul Williams--fight somebody
Miranda's win over Gibbs--Miranda's good but Gibbs was brought in cause he was chinny as hell
Jorge Arce in a P4P sense--he doesn't fight nearly good enough opposition to be P4P, not even close

Underrated

Showtime
Floyd Mayweather as an exciting fighter--Sure Baldomir and Castillo 2 were snoozers, but he's not the runner that some people make him out to be
Jose Luis Castillo--How this guy is not on everybody's top five P4P is beyond me
James Toney--He started at 160 and just outboxed a 250 pound Sam Peter, yet you almost never see him on P4P lists
Joel Casamayor-I don't think he is, but you could make a case he's undefeated against very good opposition
Ignacio Beristain-horrible manager, but a great trainer

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I wouldnt say that Toney is underated, most people respect him hugely as a boxer just really dislike his personality. I pretty much agree with the rest of this list. :coolclick: btw good topic!

Joe Calzaghe needs on the overated list until he steps up his opponents.

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CC and Calzaghe does deserve to be on the overrated list.

I guess what I mean with Toney is that he doesn't get as much respect as some of his peers. Imagine if Hopkins moved all the way up and outboxed Peter. People would be fawning over him and discussing his place among the alltime greats, where you don't hear quite the same thing with Toney.

People are going to disagree with this but I think Diego Corrales' chin is underrated. He gets knocked down a lot, he gets hit a lot in general, but except for the second Castillo fight he's never been totally out of it. Sure he was knocked down a lot versus Floyd and Casamayor but he was never out on his feet or even that groggy. And the knockdowns against Castillo in the first fight, he wasn't out on his feet by any means, and he took Freitas' shots well. He doesn't have the greatest chin of all time, but its not as glass as some people make it out to be.

Oh yeah and your boy Ouma is underated! I do think Taylor clearly beat him, but Ouma showed he was a TOP boxer that night, and pushed the action on to a class boxer.

Think Collazo's a bit underrated. Beat Rivera, and, in some people's opinion beat Hatton.

Felix Sturm might be a bit underrated now cause he does have some skills and could surprise somebody. Chin is suspect though.

Valero to me is overrated.

Hopkins is overrated to hell on this board, you mention his name in any negetive way and log on the next day with 20 more sad clicks.

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Joe Calzaghe needs on the overated list until he steps up his opponents.

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Less than a year ago he "stepped up" and ruined the supposed best fighter in the world at 168.

Hopkins is overrated

Hopkins is ok now, he was overrated until he started fighting top tier guys like Trinidad, Taylor, De la Hoya, etc.


Floyd Mayweather Jr is overrated he's nowhere near "The greatest boxer ever" as he described himself.


Diego Corrales is overrated he can't beat Casamayor and he's too fucking tall to not fight on the outside....why fight JLC on the inside? Why not BOX????

For underrated fighters my list is as follows

Calvin Brock, he gave Wladimir Klitschko a good hard fight and showed well at the Mecca of boxing

Zahir Raheem, he's a good tough fighter willing to take risks to further his career

Jorge Barrios, he's a tough mofo and I'd like to see him go at it with JLC or Chico or even Hatton

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Originally Posted by Lyle

For underrated fighters my list is as follows

Calvin Brock, he gave Wladimir Klitschko a good hard fight and showed well at the Mecca of boxing

Zahir Raheem, he's a good tough fighter willing to take risks to further his career

Jorge Barrios, he's a tough mofo and I'd like to see him go at it with JLC or Chico or even Hatton

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I'm not sure if Raheem is underrated, but if he is one of the reasons is he fights like once every two years.

well that's not his fault it's his promoter's fault they didn't get him the fights



Mikkel Kessler is overrated....he hasn't fought ANYONE dangerous

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Originally Posted by Preme

Hopkins is overrated to hell on this board, you mention his name in any negetive way and log on the next day with 20 more sad clicks.

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CC for you cause that is exactly right.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Floyd Mayweather Jr is overrated he's nowhere near "The greatest boxer ever" as he described himself.

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You are right about it being him, for the most part I don't think fans overrate him, there are exceptions though. I believe it is more a case of his own mind overrating himself, and people saying he isn't the greatest are mostly arguing with Floyd.

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For underrated fighters my list is as follows

Calvin Brock, he gave Wladimir Klitschko a good hard fight and showed well at the Mecca of boxing

Zahir Raheem, he's a good tough fighter willing to take risks to further his career

Jorge Barrios, he's a tough mofo and I'd like to see him go at it with JLC or Chico or even Hatton

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Raheem take risks????? Wow, are we watching the same fighter?

Collazo looks like he was extremely underrated.

Roy Jones possibly overrated on here. Don't get me wrong skills wise he was top notch, but he falls into the same category as joe clazaghe for me.

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Originally Posted by albsur2006

Raheem take risks????? Wow, are we watching the same fighter?

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When you fight Erik Morales and then follow it up with fighting Acelino Freitas you're doing something risky! Give the guy his props!!!

He also fought and IMO beat Rocky Juarez

Ignacio Beristain- has trained so many great fighters but I don't think he gets the respect he deserves.

Casamayor-I think he is underrated for the reason you said Ouma,he could have been undefeated with a bit of luck!

Valero-he is beginning to become over rated and even though I'm a fan,if he does not improve his skills in the ring,he will lose as soon as he steps up.

Corrales-I actually think he is slightly under rated. He is not particularly smart,making fights harder than htye have to be,has a suspect chin but great heart,awesome power, and wins over Castillo in ofe the greatest fights ever,Casamayor and Freitas are impressive.

Collazo-I was unsure about this guy,although having seen 2 more his fights,I think he is under rated. Very skillful,southpaw,VERY fast hands,can box and go to war,accurate short punches,good fighter.

What do you guys think of Kostya Tszyu,was he over rated? I ask becaue I have seen it mentioned before.

Calzaghe IS vastly overrated on here, and Hatton WAS vastly overrated on here, but thats to be expected with all the Brits on here. They love their fighters, and can't help but be bias. It pisses me off just the same though. ;D >:mad
Wlad is overrated too, quite a bit. How quickly they forget about his KO losses and make excuses, now that he is back in favor with the brass at HBO and the hype machine is up and running in full force again. But its all good.

Underrated:
Roy Jones, Brits hate him and some Americans, so they were happy when he got KO'd by a lucky shot against Tarver, then lost it mentally and stopped throwin punches. They can't face facts that no one has defied boxiing technique, abandoning the jab, fighting with hands down etc. and accomplished so much. They can't face facts that he IS the greatest boxer ever, or top 5 for sure.

James Toney. Like others have said, this is a former freakin MW, who has ducked NO ONE in his entire career, and is now fightin at HW and beatin top guys handily, admittedly I thought he shoulda lost a close decision to Rahman cus he was just too damn lazy and outta shape, but theres no way in hell he didn't win that Peter fight. Toney is a legend people, forget bout his smack talk, its all jive, nonsense and in fun anyhow. The man is a legend.

Rahman, ruiz, and byrd were overrated to the highest possible degree for the longest time. Rahman beat lewis with the luckiest shot ever landed by a boxer. Ruiz has like 8 losses at this point, was blown out by tua who is a never was, Got beat by toney handily and to this day believes that it was steroids that counter-punched his ass for 12 rounds, and continues to go around saying he's the best. Byrd is a blown up cruiser weight that got both his titles as gifts. Everyone thought he was great because of his win over vitali (vitali quit that fight, byrd did not win it) and he beat a shot holyfield by decision.

Brock was way overrated b4 the wlad fight. Sporting around his 29-0 record like he beat somebody worth a damn

Both ibragimovs are overrated as well as ray austin. I still wanna know how you have less than 20 wins, get a draw in your next match, and become a mandatory just like the person you drew with.

And of course Wacko's favorite caveman Valuev is overrated. Some people going around saying his 40 some undefeated streak is legit :o . He is 7'3 325 pounds, he should've won every fight against the bums he's fought by ko and in impressive fashion. He's the biggest fighter the division's ever seen and lacks the power his size says he should have.

I will now take this time and slap an Overrated sticker on the entire heavyweight division with the exceptions of: Wlad (for now), Peter, and Toney. Wlad's not overrated because he is obviously the best available. Peter gave wlad a good fight but ran out of gas. Toney beat Peter but got robbed. If toney and wlad were to fight, i think an in shape toney might be able to box his way to a close decision but he'd have to have an almost flawless night to do so.

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Calzaghe IS vastly overrated on here, and Hatton WAS vastly overrated on here, but thats to be expected with all the Brits on here. They love their fighters, and can't help but be bias. It pisses me off just the same though. ;D >:mad
Wlad is overrated too, quite a bit. How quickly they forget about his KO losses and make excuses, now that he is back in favor with the brass at HBO and the hype machine is up and running in full force again. But its all good.

Underrated:
Roy Jones, Brits hate him and some Americans, so they were happy when he got KO'd by a lucky shot against Tarver, then lost it mentally and stopped throwin punches. They can't face facts that no one has defied boxiing technique, abandoning the jab, fighting with hands down etc. and accomplished so much. They can't face facts that he IS the greatest boxer ever, or top 5 for sure.

James Toney. Like others have said, this is a former freakin MW, who has ducked NO ONE in his entire career, and is now fightin at HW and beatin top guys handily, admittedly I thought he shoulda lost a close decision to Rahman cus he was just too damn lazy and outta shape, but theres no way in hell he didn't win that Peter fight. Toney is a legend people, forget bout his smack talk, its all jive, nonsense and in fun anyhow. The man is a legend.

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:O! what makes you think that? i think RJJ is freaking amazing, an ATG, most people i know who watched him love him o0 he used t get slagged of by brits on this forum?

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Originally Posted by Hulk

Calzaghe IS vastly overrated on here, and Hatton WAS vastly overrated on here, but thats to be expected with all the Brits on here. They love their fighters, and can't help but be bias. It pisses me off just the same though. ;D >:mad
Wlad is overrated too, quite a bit. How quickly they forget about his KO losses and make excuses, now that he is back in favor with the brass at HBO and the hype machine is up and running in full force again. But its all good.

Underrated:
Roy Jones, Brits hate him and some Americans, so they were happy when he got KO'd by a lucky shot against Tarver, then lost it mentally and stopped throwin punches. They can't face facts that no one has defied boxiing technique, abandoning the jab, fighting with hands down etc. and accomplished so much. They can't face facts that he IS the greatest boxer ever, or top 5 for sure.

James Toney. Like others have said, this is a former freakin MW, who has ducked NO ONE in his entire career, and is now fightin at HW and beatin top guys handily, admittedly I thought he shoulda lost a close decision to Rahman cus he was just too damn lazy and outta shape, but theres no way in hell he didn't win that Peter fight. Toney is a legend people, forget bout his smack talk, its all jive, nonsense and in fun anyhow. The man is a legend.

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:O! what makes you think that? i think RJJ is freaking amazing, an ATG, most people i know who watched him love him o0 he used t get slagged of by brits on this forum?

Its Hulks stupidity that makes him think that.

I think Juan Diaz is underated. This guy impresses the hell of me and he never seems to even be mentioned. One of the most accurate punchers ive seen in years. Eventually he will get his day though.

Also I think that JMM is underrated since his robbery vs. Chris John

Overrated -
Ricky Hatton @ 147
Amir Khan
Antonio Margarito
Wladimir Klitschko
O'Neil Bell
Kelly Pavlik
Mikkel Kessler
Juan Manuel Marquez @ 130
Diego Corrales

Underrated -
Samuel Peter
Tomasz Adamek
Sam Soliman
Edison Miranda
Arthur Abraham
Ike Quartey
Luis Collazo
Juan Diaz
Oscar Larios

By far the most underrated boxer around is Cory Spinks. The poor guy gets almost no credit and is barely mentioned at all unless as an object of abuse.

Yet he's a former undisputed weltwerweight champion who successfully moved up to 154 and won a world title belt in his first fight at the weight, something that according to Hatton's trainer Billy Graham (when trying to explain Hattons stinker against Collazo) nobody has ever done before ::**

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Originally Posted by Hulk

Calzaghe IS vastly overrated on here, and Hatton WAS vastly overrated on here, but thats to be expected with all the Brits on here. They love their fighters, and can't help but be bias. It pisses me off just the same though. ;D >:mad
Wlad is overrated too, quite a bit. How quickly they forget about his KO losses and make excuses, now that he is back in favor with the brass at HBO and the hype machine is up and running in full force again. But its all good.

Underrated:
Roy Jones, Brits hate him and some Americans, so they were happy when he got KO'd by a lucky shot against Tarver, then lost it mentally and stopped throwin punches. They can't face facts that no one has defied boxiing technique, abandoning the jab, fighting with hands down etc. and accomplished so much. They can't face facts that he IS the greatest boxer ever, or top 5 for sure.

James Toney. Like others have said, this is a former freakin MW, who has ducked NO ONE in his entire career, and is now fightin at HW and beatin top guys handily, admittedly I thought he shoulda lost a close decision to Rahman cus he was just too damn lazy and outta shape, but theres no way in hell he didn't win that Peter fight. Toney is a legend people, forget bout his smack talk, its all jive, nonsense and in fun anyhow. The man is a legend.

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:O! what makes you think that? i think RJJ is freaking amazing, an ATG, most people i know who watched him love him o0 he used t get slagged of by brits on this forum?

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yea im english aswell and i think jones is amazing aswell i dont know about hatton being overrated he has beat some decent opp and you say brits are bias about our fighters so are americans so is everyone it doesnt matter where you come from all countrys are biased about there fighter

How can I forget JMM?!!?!?! He's really under rated!

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How can I forget JMM?!!?!?! He's really under rated!

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Hell Yeahh!!

Calzaghe is very overrated. The lacy win was amazing but seeing as he is only planning on having a few more fights he should be seeking the very best there is.

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Originally Posted by Memphis

Its Hulks stupidity that makes him think that.

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Fuk you. Half yall think Steve Collins woulda beat Roy Jones in his prime, if that ain't stupidity, I dunno what is. ;)

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Originally Posted by albsur2006

Overrated -
Ricky Hatton @ 147
Amir Khan
Antonio Margarito
Wladimir Klitschko
O'Neil Bell
Kelly Pavlik
Mikkel Kessler
Juan Manuel Marquez @ 130
Diego Corrales

Underrated -
Samuel Peter
Tomasz Adamek
Sam Soliman
Edison Miranda
Arthur Abraham
Ike Quartey
Luis Collazo
Juan Diaz
Oscar Larios

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Klitschko overrated and Peter underrated???

UH bull CRAP

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Originally Posted by bilbo

By far the most underrated boxer around is Cory Spinks. The poor guy gets almost no credit and is barely mentioned at all unless as an object of abuse.

Yet he's a former undisputed weltwerweight champion who successfully moved up to 154 and won a world title belt in his first fight at the weight, something that according to Hatton's trainer Billy Graham (when trying to explain Hattons stinker against Collazo) nobody has ever done before ::**

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Spinks?! Spinks deserves NO credit, zilch, nada. He is a good survivor, I'll give him that, but not much else. He's a total fraud who has BS wins over Ricardo Mayorga, Zab Judah and most recently Roman Karmazin. I've never seen anything like it before in all of boxing, a man getting so many gift decisions. He's a fraud, a coward, and an absolute boring fighter to watch. He was never undisputed anything in my book. :-X

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Overrated -
Ricky Hatton @ 147

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honestly how the fuck can you say that????

when has there been posts to say hatton is anything special at 147?? ffs that is got ot be the biggest bullsh*t post on here i have ever read, and i have read alot of posts by VD...

i am far from a brit "i love hatton fan" i think one collazo is very very underrated, but 2 hatton should of and could of trained and give him a rematch to show that he could do (and i honeslty believe he could) alot better than he did at short notice...

but fact, the guy collazo or hatton was meant to fight pulled out, soa window opend up for hatton v collazo and he took it at very short notice and won, close, some say he lost but he WON but hatton has had a sh*t load of abuse for that fight and in no fucking way is he overrated at 147 thats utter bullsh*t

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Originally Posted by Memphis

Its Hulks stupidity that makes him think that.

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Fuk you. Half yall think Steve Collins woulda beat Roy Jones in his prime, if that ain't stupidity, I dunno what is. ;)

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He probably would. Roy Jones aint all that, its just all the Americans blowing things out of proportion as usuall :cwm13:

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Overrated -
Ricky Hatton @ 147

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honestly how the F*** can you say that????

when has there been posts to say hatton is anything special at 147?? ffs that is got ot be the biggest bullsh*t post on here i have ever read, and i have read alot of posts by VD...

i am far from a brit "i love hatton fan" i think one collazo is very very underrated, but 2 hatton should of and could of trained and give him a rematch to show that he could do (and i honeslty believe he could) alot better than he did at short notice...

but fact, the guy collazo or hatton was meant to fight pulled out, soa window opend up for hatton v collazo and he took it at very short notice and won, close, some say he lost but he WON but hatton has had a sh*t load of abuse for that fight and in no F****** way is he overrated at 147 thats utter bullsh*t

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that's why you're wrong.....Hatton is overrated...he finally fought a really good boxer in his PRIME and should have lost that fight..if only his people didn't have such a huge stake in it....I thought he did....

If Urangotang beats him then he is overated. I dont think beating a good boxer in his PRIME at a higher weight on short notice is grounds to condemn him do you?

I think Hatton looks worse for not staying at 147....doing that he kind of admits he's not good enough for it but I still respect the guy he has good talent I just want to see him WRECK Chico Corrales!

Steve Collins....don't make me laugh

JOE CALZAGHE always gets his props but hardly ever comes out and fights anyone worth fighting, it's always another "warm up fight"....Calzaghe fans should be kissing Jeff Lacy's ass for making that CAREER DEFINING fight possible!!!

Are you calling Steve Collins a clown? What you think he is here to amuse you?

Joe's career is overated.

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Originally Posted by Memphis

Its Hulks stupidity that makes him think that.

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Fuk you. Half yall think Steve Collins woulda beat Roy Jones in his prime, if that ain't stupidity, I dunno what is. ;)

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How about Charles Brewer, you think he was underated Hulk? How about Mayorga ;)

I think Steven could have done a little more with himself....nothing to be ashamed of, RJJ could have done more too but he would have beat Steve had they fought....same as he would have beat Calzaghe if that guy had the balls to step up to 175 and come to the US to fight Roy