Who has been the best fighter in the last 16 years????

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hey dude u bit my idea and called yourself the platinum boy huh? wheres my props man give me my CC :lickish:

floyd mayweather jr

let's see last 16 years??? why 16????

Holyfield, Lewis, Bowe, Roy Jones Jr., De la Hoya, Mosley....all those should be mentioned before FLOYD

For me Marco Antonio Barrera, Roy Jones and felix trinidad & Delahoya. Floyd Mayweather is good but can you say he's beat the calibre of fighters Barrera, Jones or trinidad did and ODH.
im sorry he has'nt yet IMO because he skipped through divisions missing one or two top dogs along the way wheather you think he beats them or not he picked up a belt at lightwelter missing both Tyszu and Hatton. and he did'nt stick around to try and force a fight a moved up fighting a past it Gatti, On the slide coming off a defeat Judah then beat a limited although strong Baldomir. His fight list is'nt as impressive IMO yet but he has the abilty to overcome all of them and age but as for yet IMO he not in that class yet he needs to beat 2-3 more fighters with 2 big fight in there.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

let's see last 16 years??? why 16????

Holyfield, Lewis, Bowe, Roy Jones Jr., De la Hoya, Mosley....all those should be mentioned before FLOYD

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im guessing 16 years because it would take us back to 1990 (soon to be 1991 though)

holyfield.............. nope. he loses too many fights (a few in his prime as well) and is probably the most overrated fighter in the history of boxing

lennox lewis was good, but theres no forgiving getting knocked out by hassim rahman and dont forget that vitali was giving lummox a beating before he got cut

bowe is one of my all time favorites, but he hasnt achieved nearly as much as mayweather and as much as i hate lennox.........bowe was running from him. not to mention, a great fighter would never get beat up on by golata

as for roy jones jr......... i was torn between him and mayweather but the devestating ko from tarver put a hurt on his legacy, plus he lost to glen johnson, which is inexcuseable

delahoya has also lost too many big fights and should have AT LEAST 2 more losses on his record (sturm and quartey)

mosley got schooled real bad by vernon forrest and winky wright. forrest is crap, and wright would be one of my top choices for greatest of the last 15 years (after pernell whitaker)


so i guess it goes like this................

1.) floyd mayweather jr.

2.) roy jones jr.

3.) pernell whitaker

4.) winky wright

Here's a few

JC Chavez
Whitaker
RJJ
R Lopez
Tyson
Holyfield
B-Hop
De La Hoya
MAB
Morales
Lewis
PBF
A. Nelson
Mosley
Toney
Trinidad
McCallum
Tszyu
Pac
Calzaghe

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Here's a few

JC Chavez
Whitaker
RJJ
R Lopez
Tyson
Holyfield
B-Hop
De La Hoya
MAB
Morales
Lewis
PBF
A. Nelson
Mosley
Toney
Trinidad
McCallum
Tszyu
Pac
Calzaghe

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nigel benn
chris eubank
james toney
rjj
floyd mayweather
pernell whitaker
lennox lewis
evander holyfield
tszyu
bernard hopkins
oscar dela hoya
winky wright
pac
mab
morales
trinidad
virgil hill
naz
julian jackson
mccallum

I like your list Lyle I would put them in this order and add

1) Evander Holyfield
2) Roy Jones jr
3)Pernelll Whitaker
4)Oscar Delahoya
5) Shane Mosely
6) Bernard Hopkins
7) Felix Trinidad
8 Marco Antonio Barrera
9) Lennox Lewis
10) James Toney
11) Winky Wright
12)Julio Caesar Chavez
13) Kosta Tszyu
14) Floyd Mayweather jr
15) George Foreman
16) Joe Calzaghe

ETC....

WOW! I dont think I can pick just the one.
But my top 10 in no order:


Marco Antonio Barrera
Eric Morales
Kostya Tszyu
Oscar De La Hoya
Evander Holyfield
Julio Caesar Chavez
Castillo
Chris Eubank
Pacman
Lennox Lewis

Thats off the top of my head and could vary everytime I was asked this question

Without a doubt Bantamweight Adjib Guessab.

Can't say floyd at this moment in time, he still has a couple of fighters he must beat to secure this status.

ODLH definately

Barrera

Toney

Gotta giv it to Lewis, even though he was boring

Bernard Hopkins

Trinidad

Roy JJ

Chavez

Calzaghe, i think his success is far underrated. He has defended his title more times than any other British fighter!

Tyson, still sent shivers through the decision even during his decline.

In a couple of years time, Pacman will be on this list

Easy answer. "El Finito" Ricardo Lopez

I would have to state a case for Bernard Hopkins. He was middleweight champion for 10 years 2 months. He only lost to Roy Jones who was in his prime. He broke the record for middleweight title defenses. Making a total of 20. He defended the belt against.

Bo James, Joe Lipsey, Glen Johnson, Simon Brown, Robert Allen 3times, Antwun Echols 2 times, Syd Vanderpool when he was actually somebody, Carl Daniels, William Joppy, Oscar De La Hoya, Howard Eastman and fought Taylor twice. Plus a few unmentioned.
He has been on the pound for pound list 3/4 of his career. Pretty good if you ask me.

1. Pernell Whitaker- didn't legitimately lose a fight for the first 15 years of his career. Trinidad loss is the only time he was legitimately defeated, and he was a 35 year old drug addict at that point.
2. Roy Jones- Lost 3 fights in a row at the end, but was unbeatable for the first 15 years of his career in a way similar to Whitaker.

Those are the clear top 2 IMO. Both men were unhittable in their prime, but age took away their speed and caused them to get hit more. I put Whitaker #1 based on his chin. As he got older and got hit, he proved that he had a great chin. He took Trinidad's best shots for 12 rounds at 147 and was still standing at the end. Trinidad being arguably the best puncher pound-for-pound of this post-1990 period.
On the other hand, when Jones lost his reflexes and movement, his chin proved to be suspect.

Rest:
3. Floyd Mayweather- the "new" Pernell Whitaker
4. Bernard Hopkins

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1. Pernell Whitaker- didn't legitimately lose a fight for the first 15 years of his career. Trinidad loss is the only time he was legitimately defeated, and he was a 35 year old drug addict at that point.
2. Roy Jones- Lost 3 fights in a row at the end, but was unbeatable for the first 15 years of his career in a way similar to Whitaker.

Those are the clear top 2 IMO. Both men were unhittable in their prime, but age took away their speed and caused them to get hit more. I put Whitaker #1 based on his chin. As he got older and got hit, he proved that he had a great chin. He took Trinidad's best shots for 12 rounds at 147 and was still standing at the end. Trinidad being arguably the best puncher pound-for-pound of this post-1990 period.
On the other hand, when Jones lost his reflexes and movement, his chin proved to be suspect.

Rest:
3. Floyd Mayweather- the "new" Pernell Whitaker
4. Bernard Hopkins

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I like Whitaker. Always have. But he lost the De La Hoya fight. It was close. But he lost it. And it was legit. People scream he was robbed all the time. Fine. Go ahead and say Whitaker should of won. But if you do that, than man-up and say Wilfredo Rivera got robbed in his fights against Whitaker. Especially the first one.

For me? Hands down it's gotta be Wright, Oscar, Hopkins, Floyd, Barrera, & Pacquiao.

That's on a technical & entertainment POV.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

let's see last 16 years??? why 16????

Holyfield, Lewis, Bowe, Roy Jones Jr., De la Hoya, Mosley....all those should be mentioned before FLOYD

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Only Roy should be.

Has to be Roy Jones Jr. because nobody made as many good fighters look as amateurish as he did. Could be Floyd, we'll see how he does against ODLH first though.

they so much talent out there its just hard to pick one fighter,

JJC
Sweet Pea Whitaker
Evander Holyfield
Kostya Tszyu

Floyd Mayweather Jr. I can sit here all day and talk about how boring he can be, but that has to do with him out classing guys to such a degree, the fights are dull .. Another words the outcome is so predictable. It's like knowing the punch- line to a really good joke before someone tells it,, it just isn’t that funny. Roy Jones was the same way, he had so much natural talent , that he didn’t have to risk losing to win. thus the element of suspense was neutralized. And the fights tend to become dull and predictable.

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I like Whitaker. Always have. But he lost the De La Hoya fight. It was close. But he lost it. And it was legit. People scream he was robbed all the time. Fine. Go ahead and say Whitaker should of won. But if you do that, than man-up and say Wilfredo Rivera got robbed in his fights against Whitaker. Especially the first one.

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I disagree. The DLH fight was certainly close, the decision was nowhere near as bad as the Jose Luis Ramirez and Julio Cesar Chavez fights. But I had it 7-5 for Whitaker. There were several times in the fight where De La Hoya would throw a flurry of punches, not land a single one and Lampley would leap out of his seat about what a great job DLH was doing. I like Lampley in general, but over the years he showed an incredible amount of bias in favor of both DLH and MAB. Watch the fight with no sound and it's a different fight.
Whitaker was the champ, and DLH didn't do enough to take his title.

You are right, the first Wilfredo Rivera decision was highly questionable in favor of Whitaker. He didn't fight well at all in that fight.
I guess I just don't feel that bad that Whitaker got a slight gift against Rivera, since Whitaker was on the losing end of two of the worst decisions in boxing history (Ramirez, Chavez).

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I like Whitaker. Always have. But he lost the De La Hoya fight. It was close. But he lost it. And it was legit. People scream he was robbed all the time. Fine. Go ahead and say Whitaker should of won. But if you do that, than man-up and say Wilfredo Rivera got robbed in his fights against Whitaker. Especially the first one.

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I disagree. The DLH fight was certainly close, the decision was nowhere near as bad as the Jose Luis Ramirez and Julio Cesar Chavez fights. But I had it 7-5 for Whitaker. There were several times in the fight where De La Hoya would throw a flurry of punches, not land a single one and Lampley would leap out of his seat about what a great job DLH was doing. I like Lampley in general, but over the years he showed an incredible amount of bias in favor of both DLH and MAB. Watch the fight with no sound and it's a different fight.
Whitaker was the champ, and DLH didn't do enough to take his title.

You are right, the first Wilfredo Rivera decision was highly questionable in favor of Whitaker. He didn't fight well at all in that fight.
I guess I just don't feel that bad that Whitaker got a slight gift against Rivera, since Whitaker was on the losing end of two of the worst decisions in boxing history.

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Lampley loves those Oscar flurries where nothing actually lands, he absolutely loves them.

I had the same score, a draw would have been ok but De La Hoya didn't win the fight.

Being the quite possibley the biggest Oscar fan on the face of the planet...which we all know is bullshit...because Mick'd blow him ;D ...he barely beat Sweet Pea.

It was close as shit...but he did beat him.

I have no qualms with it being called a draw...but ole Oscar got dropped in the 9th round I think...& Whitaker lost a point in either the 2nd or 3rd for a head butt...so it's kinda subject to much scrutiny.

The scores were hillarious though. I think that everyone had Oscar up by 5 or 6 points & that just aint the way I called it.

I gotta pull out the tape & watch that again.

RJJ
Hopkins
Pacquiao
Morales
Barrera

Roy Jones Jnr
Marco Antonio Barrera
Bernard Hopkins
Oscar De La Hoya

This is a question worth considering.

First of all, let me take Pacquiao out of discussion so I won't be accused of being biased. It's really difficult to choose the best fighter of 90's upward cuz most of them lack something important as compared to the 80's great like Leonard, Hearns, and Hagler who were overall well-rounded boxers with their own respective specialties. Let me consider some of them:

Felix Trinidad - I was leaning toward him who I think is the best puncher of this generation. But he tended to be tentative when he faced great opponents, though thats a very common trait even among some of the best fighters all time, and sometimes even lacked killer's instinct when facing a lesser opponent he clearly had in trouble.

RJJ and B. Hopkins - why don't these two fighters, even with their near impeccable records, stir the heart of many fans, including mine, remains to be somewhat a question up to now. Is it because of the press' lukewarm interest, or is it because of, as many say, the class of their opponents?

Oscar dela Hoya - of course, the most exciting fighter of the era, what with his exceptionally good looks making him a celebrity twice over. But still, he was a charging bull of a fighter, with unrelenting agressiveness and power to scare many opponents, especially the lesser ones.

NAS - a flamboyant fighter with great power and skill that excited many fans.

MAB - together with Morales, he brought unprecedent excitement for the lower weight class boxing. Though 2-1 with Morales (I had them all pretty even enough, though), his devastating losses to Jr. Jones and Pac put an irreparable dent on his record.

J.M. Marquez - his counterpunching technique has made him one of the most exciting to watch. But unlike PBF, who relies on his instinct, Marquez counterpunching tends to be mechanical, with his usual 1-2-3 or 1-2-uppercut combo, combined ocassionally with lunging body attacks. And fight fans just can't stop shaking their heads in disappointment over the choice of his opponents - a clear case of opportunity wasted, which adds to the question how good he indeed is.

E. Holyfield - kept the torch of Heavyweight alive, together with Lennox Lewis (but I picked Holyfield instead though). Good enough to frustrate the proud Tyson so much as to make him chew off his ears.

PBF - he's been scrutinized so thoroughly that even all the hairs in his body have been counted, and everyone knows enough about him, so I'll pass this one (besides, I don't want to start another riot here).

My choice:

Erik 'the Terrible' Morales - (surprised heh?) all right, let me first admit Pac beat a starving, worned out Erik. With Barrera, he brought the lower weight class boxing to its unprecedent heights. But as a fighter, he was overall the most well-rounded fighter of this generation, though not superb in any areas, but excellent neverthelss in most. With his excellent skill, though pretty orthodox - continuously exploiting his opponents opening- his heart, chin and agressiveness, he clearly he had it all. His only defect, if I may call it that, was his tendency to brawl even when it was not necessary to do so, but then, isn't that what made him great? If he'd been at least a welterweight, he'd probably be recognized as the best of this generation, and likely one of the best ever.

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This is a question worth considering.

First of all, let me take Pacquiao out of discussion so I won't be accused of being biased. It's really difficult to choose the best fighter of 90's upward cuz most of them lack something important as compared to the 80's great like Leonard, Hearns, and Hagler who were overall well-rounded boxers with their own respective specialties. Let me consider some of them:

Felix Trinidad - I was leaning toward him who I think is the best puncher of this generation. But he tended to be tentative when he faced great opponents, though thats a very common trait even among some of the best fighters all time, and sometimes even lacked killer's instinct when facing a lesser opponent he clearly had in trouble.

RJJ and B. Hopkins - why don't these two fighters, even with their near impeccable records, stir the heart of many fans, including mine, remains to be somewhat a question up to now. Is it because of the press' lukewarm interest, or is it because of, as many say, the class of their opponents?

Oscar dela Hoya - of course, the most exciting fighter of the era, what with his exceptionally good looks making him a celebrity twice over. But still, he was a charging bull of a fighter, with unrelenting agressiveness and power to scare many opponents, especially the lesser ones.

NAS - a flamboyant fighter with great power and skill that excited many fans.

MAB - together with Morales, he brought unprecedent excitement for the lower weight class boxing. Though 2-1 with Morales (I had them all pretty even enough, though), his devastating losses to Jr. Jones and Pac put an irreparable dent on his record.

J.M. Marquez - his counterpunching technique has made him one of the most exciting to watch. But unlike PBF, who relies on his instinct, Marquez counterpunching tends to be mechanical, with his usual 1-2-3 or 1-2-uppercut combo, combined ocassionally with lunging body attacks. And fight fans just can't stop shaking their heads in disappointment over the choice of his opponents - a clear case of opportunity wasted, which adds to the question how good he indeed is.

E. Holyfield - kept the torch of Heavyweight alive, together with Lennox Lewis (but I picked Holyfield instead though). Good enough to frustrate the proud Tyson so much as to make him chew off his ears.

PBF - he's been scrutinized so thoroughly that even all the hairs in his body have been counted, and everyone knows enough about him, so I'll pass this one (besides, I don't want to start another riot here).

My choice:

Erik 'the Terrible' Morales - (surprised heh?) all right, let me first admit Pac beat a starving, worned out Erik. With Barrera, he brought the lower weight class boxing to its unprecedent heights. But as a fighter, he was overall the most well-rounded fighter of this generation, though not superb in any areas, but excellent neverthelss in most. With his excellent skill, though pretty orthodox - continuously exploiting his opponents opening- his heart, chin and agressiveness, he clearly he had it all. His only defect, if I may call it that, was his tendency to brawl even when it was not necessary to do so, but then, isn't that what made him great? If he'd been at least a welterweight, he'd probably be recognized as the best of this generation, and likely one of the best ever.

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nICE ANALYSIS BRO! As much as I love Morale though,I don't think he is the best of the last 15 or so years but I'm glad you mentioned him and Tito too. I'd personally have to with RJJ,with Pernell,B Hop,Oscar and MAB gettin honourable mentions.

Yup, I know you'd like it. Maybe not perfect but I was looking as objectively as possible from all possible angles and he just happened to be there. I might be a pac-fan but when I do my analysis, I try my best to be objective.

OK.... People are mentioning fighters who fought PAST the 16 yr. mark.
If I understand right when you say of the last 16 yrs. that means that they started fighting NO EARLIER THEN 1990. Cause if they fought in 1989 that would be 17 yrs. Right?

If so then 'Finito' Lopez, Pernell, JCC, B-Hop, even RJJ would be out since he started fighting in 1989, Bowe, Holyfiled.


Or are you just going by what the fighter has done since 1990 to present time?

If so then heres my list: ;D
Ricardo Lopez
JCC
ODLH
RJJ
Pernell
Lewis
James Toney
B-Hop
Holyfield
Tito
Carbajal

By the way Naz, IN NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM does he belong here.

PAC, IMO falls short and he still has some ground to cover. But I would put it all on the line and bet in favor that by the end of his career hes on there. ;)
PBF, could very well be there but very low on the list as his quality of opposition really kicks him in the nuts.

most talented or best?

Roy Jones Jr was.

But he doesn't have the BEST resume. But he was the best and most talented.

I don't care what anybody says. The best fighter of the last 16, 20 years is Ricardo Lopez.

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I don't care what anybody says. The best fighter of the last 16, 20 years is Ricardo Lopez.

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Shit man,how did I get forget him!!?! You know,I'd have to agree for once,the guy was like the COMPLETE fighter and even as he got older and younger guys tried to take him down(Rosendo Alvarez),he STILL beat them! I wish he would have fought Carbajal though! What do you think the outcome would have been? Lopez UD!

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I don't care what anybody says. The best fighter of the last 16, 20 years is Ricardo Lopez.

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And I agree.

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I don't care what anybody says. The best fighter of the last 16, 20 years is Ricardo Lopez.

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Shit man,how did I get forget him!!?! You know,I'd have to agree for once,the guy was like the COMPLETE fighter and even as he got older and younger guys tried to take him down(Rosendo Alvarez),he STILL beat them! I wish he would have fought Carbajal though! What do you think the outcome would have been? Lopez UD!

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Lopez by late knock out. The Alvarez fights are the reason I like Lopez so much. Lopez gets dropped in there first fight (only time ever) and gets pushed hard. The fight ends in Tech Draw. Lopez immediately asks for a rematch against Alvarez. Alvarez goes in to the rematch over weight. The fight was almost called off. Lopez said fuck it. Didn't care about Alvarez's weight advantage and said lets fight. And fight they did. Lopez deserved the win in a hell of a fight.

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I don't care what anybody says. The best fighter of the last 16, 20 years is Ricardo Lopez.

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Shit man,how did I get forget him!!?! You know,I'd have to agree for once,the guy was like the COMPLETE fighter and even as he got older and younger guys tried to take him down(Rosendo Alvarez),he STILL beat them! I wish he would have fought Carbajal though! What do you think the outcome would have been? Lopez UD!

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Lopez was the closest thing to perfection in the ring. Would Alvarez not have dropped him not only would he have retired undefeated but never down in a fight.
I think Lopez would have beat Carbajal, he would have outskilled and frustated Carbajal.

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I don't care what anybody says. The best fighter of the last 16, 20 years is Ricardo Lopez.

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Shit man,how did I get forget him!!?! You know,I'd have to agree for once,the guy was like the COMPLETE fighter and even as he got older and younger guys tried to take him down(Rosendo Alvarez),he STILL beat them! I wish he would have fought Carbajal though! What do you think the outcome would have been? Lopez UD!

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Lopez by late knock out. The Alvarez fights are the reason I like Lopez so much. Lopez gets dropped in there first fight (only time ever) and gets pushed hard. The fight ends in Tech Draw. Lopez immediately asks for a rematch against Alvarez. Alvarez goes in to the rematch over weight. The fight was almost called off. Lopez said fuck it. Didn't care about Alvarez's weight advantage and said lets fight. And fight they did. Lopez deserved the win in a hell of a fight.

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Yeah I totally agree,although unfortunately,I only have the first Alavarez fight,and have only seen clips of the second one,it's so hard to find!!! Was the second fight beter than the first? It looked pretty cool from what I saw but the first fight was like a technical masterclass from both fighters!

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I don't care what anybody says. The best fighter of the last 16, 20 years is Ricardo Lopez.

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Shit man,how did I get forget him!!?! You know,I'd have to agree for once,the guy was like the COMPLETE fighter and even as he got older and younger guys tried to take him down(Rosendo Alvarez),he STILL beat them! I wish he would have fought Carbajal though! What do you think the outcome would have been? Lopez UD!

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Lopez was the closest thing to perfection in the ring. Would Alvarez not have dropped him not only would he have retired undefeated but never down in a fight.
I think Lopez would have beat Carbajal, he would have outskilled and frustated Carbajal.

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Yeah that would have been amazing,unbeaten and and never down! Heck,it's still an amazing record!!

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I don't care what anybody says. The best fighter of the last 16, 20 years is Ricardo Lopez.

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Shit man,how did I get forget him!!?! You know,I'd have to agree for once,the guy was like the COMPLETE fighter and even as he got older and younger guys tried to take him down(Rosendo Alvarez),he STILL beat them! I wish he would have fought Carbajal though! What do you think the outcome would have been? Lopez UD!

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Lopez by late knock out. The Alvarez fights are the reason I like Lopez so much. Lopez gets dropped in there first fight (only time ever) and gets pushed hard. The fight ends in Tech Draw. Lopez immediately asks for a rematch against Alvarez. Alvarez goes in to the rematch over weight. The fight was almost called off. Lopez said fuck it. Didn't care about Alvarez's weight advantage and said lets fight. And fight they did. Lopez deserved the win in a hell of a fight.

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Yeah I totally agree,although unfortunately,I only have the first Alavarez fight,and have only seen clips of the second one,it's so hard to find!!! Was the second fight beter than the first? It looked pretty cool from what I saw but the first fight was like a technical masterclass from both fighters!

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Shit was better. it was a war for 12 rounds. It was fight of the year runner up that year (I forgot to what). Lopez was bleeding from several cuts and Alvarez was also pretty banged up. Lopez won a SD if I remember correctly. Because of his fights with Lopez, I will never knock Alvarez, but if he was more disciplined in the way he took care of himself they would of had a third fight. But it was not to be. Alvarez loved the night life to much. Can't fault him for that.

Shit!! I need to get that fight BADLY!!!! CC for the 411 bro. Out of interest,and it may be a stupid question but who would you favour had there been a third fight?

No question about Finito Lopez greatness as a boxer. He could box and punch, definitely one of the greatests. The only thing against him was a large population of the boxing fans who prefer watching untalented Heavy Weight fights instead of these guys full of talent and a BIG Hearts. In the low weights I remember the fights between Michael Carbajal and Humberto "Chiqita" Gonzalez. Those were wars...

There are many talented boxers, but I have to mention Tito in this list. He gave us some of the most exiting fights in the last years...