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Winky Wright vs. Ray Leonard at 160
At middleweight who takes it?
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Re: Winky Wright vs. Ray Leonard at 160
Ray Leonard uses his hand and foot speed to land enough punches and take this one in a decision.
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Re: Winky Wright vs. Ray Leonard at 160
Leonard goes down once and spends the whole night hitting Wright's arms. Never being able to connect flush. Still with the help of the judges in his pocket. Leonard wins a UD.
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Re: Winky Wright vs. Ray Leonard at 160
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Leonard goes down once and spends the whole night hitting Wright's arms. Never being able to connect flush. Still with the help of the judges in his pocket. Leonard wins a UD.
Ha as soon as I saw you had made a post I already knew what you were going to say.
And I was right 8)
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Re: Winky Wright vs. Ray Leonard at 160
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Originally Posted by bilbo
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Leonard goes down once and spends the whole night hitting Wright's arms. Never being able to connect flush. Still with the help of the judges in his pocket. Leonard wins a UD.
Ha as soon as I saw you had made a post I already knew what you were going to say.
And I was right 8)
Because that happening would be possible. I can almost picture it now. And you know I'm right.
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Re: Winky Wright vs. Ray Leonard at 160
Having seen how ol' Quartey pestered him, though he clearly won, and how a scared Taylor backed him off pretty well, though again he won, both which showed his defense is not impenetrable - my choice is clear. Take your pick, guyz.
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Re: Winky Wright vs. Ray Leonard at 160
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Originally Posted by pacfan
Having seen how ol' Quartey pestered him, though he clearly won, and how a scared Taylor backed him off pretty well, though again he won, both which showed his defense is not impenetrable - my choice is clear. Take your pick, guyz.
I got Wright as well
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Re: Winky Wright vs. Ray Leonard at 160
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by pacfan
Having seen how ol' Quartey pestered him, though he clearly won, and how a scared Taylor backed him off pretty well, though again he won, both which showed his defense is not impenetrable - my choice is clear. Take your pick, guyz.
I got Wright as well
You're pretty good Violent D, I'm beginning to like you. ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Winky Wright vs. Ray Leonard at 160
Ray's flashiness and bravado will overcome Winky's consistency. But it would be close. SRL wins via SD12.
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Re: Winky Wright vs. Ray Leonard at 160
These yester-year comparisons are so hard to figure...
Wright's defense seems almost light years beyond all the other fighters...I'd have to think that it'd pose the same problem for even the previous big wigs. Factor in his jab...Wright's a tuff nut to crack.
That being said...Wright being one of my favorites...Leonard would probably beat him.
More power...faster...so on & so on & so on...& I loathe Leonard.
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Re: Winky Wright vs. Ray Leonard at 160
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
These yester-year comparisons are so hard to figure...
Wright's defense seems almost light years beyond all the other fighters...I'd have to think that it'd pose the same problem for even the previous big wigs. Factor in his jab...Wright's a tuff nut to crack.
That being said...Wright being one of my favorites...Leonard would probably beat him.
More power...faster...so on & so on & so on...& I loathe Leonard.
:coolclick: for not being fooking bias like some people on here wacks! Fair play if you admit Leonard would take Winky IYO even tho you hate him.
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Re: Winky Wright vs. Ray Leonard at 160
It seems academic, but I hate all of these threads because you never know, I have a completist nature.
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Re: Winky Wright vs. Ray Leonard at 160
I think Leonard can't beat Winky... Winky is much faster than Hagler was, and Leonard could not deal with his jab... Look at Hearns' jab, and his wasn't even as sharp as Winky's or as often thrown, and he still kept Leonard back. I also think that Leonard hit as hard though he is a better knockout puncher than WInky, but that will not be a factor because he can't dent Ronald. I still say that its a close fight, and Winky could very well lose on the cards due to poor judging, and a less exciting style, but that he would deserve to win. Sidenote: If he can deal with Mosley and Robert Frazier's speed he can deal with Leonard's.
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Re: Winky Wright vs. Ray Leonard at 160
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Originally Posted by cockey cockney
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
These yester-year comparisons are so hard to figure...
Wright's defense seems almost light years beyond all the other fighters...I'd have to think that it'd pose the same problem for even the previous big wigs. Factor in his jab...Wright's a tuff nut to crack.
That being said...Wright being one of my favorites...Leonard would probably beat him.
More power...faster...so on & so on & so on...& I loathe Leonard.
:coolclick: for not being fooking bias like some people on here wacks! Fair play if you admit Leonard would take Winky IYO even tho you hate him.
:coolclick: right back babe.
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Re: Winky Wright vs. Ray Leonard at 160
I would like to say once again I don't hate on the older fighters, but its just bad matchups IMO or bad matchups IMO, and RJJ-Hagler is route, and I think Winky would beat Leonard in a pretty good fight.
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Re: Winky Wright vs. Ray Leonard at 160
I don't think this is a good matchup for Winky.
Winky as he's gotten older has gotten more and more flat footed. He edges forward with that peekaboo and I've gotten the feeling more and more that Winky would have trouble with a true stick and move fighter because he's become pretty flat footed. He really hasn't faced many stick and move guys. Shane's fast but never really been a true boxer mover, Taylor probably could do it but all he does is back straight up into the ropes.
I think Ray would win a close decision. Power on either side wouldn't matter, nobodies getting knocked out in this fight. I think Ray would move a lot, turn Winky and throw flashy combos, they might not really land that much but I think he'd end up edging it out.
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Re: Winky Wright vs. Ray Leonard at 160
SRL is far more superior than anyone Wright has been in the ring with. SRL would school Tito, SSM, JT. His speed, power, reflexes.
I actually see SRL flurrying and breaking down Winkys boring defense wall. You got to be fast in order to do that Winky can only cover up so fast, thats why I thought PBF would even have a good chance against Winky as well.
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Re: Winky Wright vs. Ray Leonard at 160
Leonard wasn't all that fast at middleweight, and ther is no way he could break down Winky's defense. Also IMO I can't see Leonard schooling Jermain for the life of me. He is way too small, and though he is a better boxer than Jermain he certainly wasn't faster or stronger than Jermain at middleweight. I don't see Leonard schooling Shane Mosley either who would also give Leonard a great fight and is a comparable fighter to Leonard. I think PBF would have a better chance against Winky because 1. He's faster than Leonard 2. He is a smarter fighter. 3. He can avoid the jab. 4. He has better defense.
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Re: Winky Wright vs. Ray Leonard at 160
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
I don't think this is a good matchup for Winky.
Winky as he's gotten older has gotten more and more flat footed. He edges forward with that peekaboo and I've gotten the feeling more and more that Winky would have trouble with a true stick and move fighter because he's become pretty flat footed. He really hasn't faced many stick and move guys. Shane's fast but never really been a true boxer mover, Taylor probably could do it but all he does is back straight up into the ropes.
I think Ray would win a close decision. Power on either side wouldn't matter, nobodies getting knocked out in this fight. I think Ray would move a lot, turn Winky and throw flashy combos, they might not really land that much but I think he'd end up edging it out.
It's a good analysis, but I think that Winky still has very fast hands, and he still has good reflexes. Nobody can jab against him which is a key weapon for Ray on the outside, and if he can't win that war he can't win the fight because Winky would keep Ray on the outside for most of the fight, and unlike younger Leonard, the middleweight Leonard IMO couldn't run away all night, and on the inside at first his quick combinations would work, but his lack of power and defense while throwing combinations would allow Wright to walk him backwards and land the straight punches which eventually dictate the fight. I think he is a better schooled, and stronger man who is fast enough to hit any version of Leonard let alone old Leonard who was being tagged quite a bit by an old Hagler.
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Re: Winky Wright vs. Ray Leonard at 160
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Originally Posted by Taeth
Leonard wasn't all that fast at middleweight, and ther is no way he could break down Winky's defense. Also IMO I can't see Leonard schooling Jermain for the life of me. He is way too small, and though he is a better boxer than Jermain he certainly wasn't faster or stronger than Jermain at middleweight. I don't see Leonard schooling Shane Mosley either who would also give Leonard a great fight and is a comparable fighter to Leonard. I think PBF would have a better chance against Winky because 1. He's faster than Leonard 2. He is a smarter fighter. 3. He can avoid the jab. 4. He has better defense.
so your also saying JT would be able to defeat Hagler, Hearns, Duran?
at 160 SSM would not be any where near his prime. he was so much more faster and stronger and powerful at his initial lower weight classes.
is PBF smarter than SRL? hmmmmm perhaps, but id say def more safer. we'll see more answers after cinco de mayo
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Re: Winky Wright vs. Ray Leonard at 160
I don't think Taylor could beat Hagler at all, but Hearns I think he would knock out simply because he has Hearns' height and speed, but he is too strong for Hearns IMO. I think Duran as well is far too small and by the time he was a middleweight slow to beat Taylor. I don't get the SSM piece? Are you saying he wasn't at his prime? If so neither was Leonard when he fought at middlewieght, and SSM wasn't comming off 3 years retirement, but he was just an example of somebody who was fast and threw good combinations that was still not enough to beat Winky or even come close, but he is a little smaller than Leonard and thats why this fight would be closer. BTW I am not saying Leonard would lose hands down I just think Winky would get the best of him, but I could easily see the big hearted and even more talented Leonard pulling off a well earned victory.
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Re: Winky Wright vs. Ray Leonard at 160
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Originally Posted by Taeth
I don't think Taylor could beat Hagler at all, but Hearns I think he would knock out simply because he has Hearns' height and speed, but he is too strong for Hearns IMO. I think Duran as well is far too small and by the time he was a middleweight slow to beat Taylor. I don't get the SSM piece? Are you saying he wasn't at his prime? If so neither was Leonard when he fought at middlewieght, and SSM wasn't comming off 3 years retirement, but he was just an example of somebody who was fast and threw good combinations that was still not enough to beat Winky or even come close, but he is a little smaller than Leonard and thats why this fight would be closer. BTW I am not saying Leonard would lose hands down I just think Winky would get the best of him, but I could easily see the big hearted and even more talented Leonard pulling off a well earned victory.
You know...I don't have any expectations of Taylor anymore...I honestly dont know what the fwock happened to the kid. I shit you not...since HBO started pumping money up his ass crack...he aint been worth shit pumpin out of a gooses ass.
Really.
Look back through Taylors career & youll see some serious fights from Taylor. Some very clean decisive wins & some heavy handed TKO's. It's either the fact that he stepped up the opp...or he's just fallen the fwock off mentally.
I say it;s the latter.
Also...back to the bulk of this post...no way that Taylor can compete against the fantastic three.
Hagler, Leonard, or Hearns would eat his ass alive. Taylor starts that backin out shit...not throwing on the back foot...just pedalin...he's out.
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Re: Winky Wright vs. Ray Leonard at 160
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Taeth
I don't think Taylor could beat Hagler at all, but Hearns I think he would knock out simply because he has Hearns' height and speed, but he is too strong for Hearns IMO. I think Duran as well is far too small and by the time he was a middleweight slow to beat Taylor. I don't get the SSM piece? Are you saying he wasn't at his prime? If so neither was Leonard when he fought at middlewieght, and SSM wasn't comming off 3 years retirement, but he was just an example of somebody who was fast and threw good combinations that was still not enough to beat Winky or even come close, but he is a little smaller than Leonard and thats why this fight would be closer. BTW I am not saying Leonard would lose hands down I just think Winky would get the best of him, but I could easily see the big hearted and even more talented Leonard pulling off a well earned victory.
You know...I don't have any expectations of Taylor anymore...I honestly dont know what the fwock happened to the kid. I S*** you not...since HBO started pumping money up his a** crack...he aint been worth S*** pumpin out of a gooses a**.
Really.
Look back through Taylors career & youll see some serious fights from Taylor. Some very clean decisive wins & some heavy handed TKO's. It's either the fact that he stepped up the opp...or he's just fallen the fwock off mentally.
I say it;s the latter.
Also...back to the bulk of this post...no way that Taylor can compete against the fantastic three.
Hagler, Leonard, or Hearns would eat his a** alive. Taylor starts that backin out S***...not throwing on the back foot...just pedalin...he's out.
thank you! :appl:
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Re: Winky Wright vs. Ray Leonard at 160
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Taeth
I don't think Taylor could beat Hagler at all, but Hearns I think he would knock out simply because he has Hearns' height and speed, but he is too strong for Hearns IMO. I think Duran as well is far too small and by the time he was a middleweight slow to beat Taylor. I don't get the SSM piece? Are you saying he wasn't at his prime? If so neither was Leonard when he fought at middlewieght, and SSM wasn't comming off 3 years retirement, but he was just an example of somebody who was fast and threw good combinations that was still not enough to beat Winky or even come close, but he is a little smaller than Leonard and thats why this fight would be closer. BTW I am not saying Leonard would lose hands down I just think Winky would get the best of him, but I could easily see the big hearted and even more talented Leonard pulling off a well earned victory.
You know...I don't have any expectations of Taylor anymore...I honestly dont know what the fwock happened to the kid. I S*** you not...since HBO started pumping money up his a** crack...he aint been worth S*** pumpin out of a gooses a**.
Really.
Look back through Taylors career & youll see some serious fights from Taylor. Some very clean decisive wins & some heavy handed TKO's. It's either the fact that he stepped up the opp...or he's just fallen the fwock off mentally.
I say it;s the latter.
Also...back to the bulk of this post...no way that Taylor can compete against the fantastic three.
Hagler, Leonard, or Hearns would eat his a** alive. Taylor starts that backin out S***...not throwing on the back foot...just pedalin...he's out.
Its kind of double standards because he did hold his own against Winky who could compete with all three of these guys. IMO Taylor might not have that special ko gift, but he is strong enough and fast enough to compete with maybe any fighter. I mean he hasn't won IMO, but he has held his own against Hopkins and Winky, and though Hopkins was old he had beaten everybody for a very long time very decisively until he fought Taylor.
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i'll say this IMO Winky can decision JT, and even B-Hop, but i dont see him winning against a prime Hearns, Prime Hagler or Prime SRL.
we all know Winky aint no slouch hes got hands down the best defence in the game but nobody of Hearns, Hagler or SRL CALIBER was around to test Winky.
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Re: Winky Wright vs. Ray Leonard at 160
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Originally Posted by Taeth
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Taeth
I don't think Taylor could beat Hagler at all, but Hearns I think he would knock out simply because he has Hearns' height and speed, but he is too strong for Hearns IMO. I think Duran as well is far too small and by the time he was a middleweight slow to beat Taylor. I don't get the SSM piece? Are you saying he wasn't at his prime? If so neither was Leonard when he fought at middlewieght, and SSM wasn't comming off 3 years retirement, but he was just an example of somebody who was fast and threw good combinations that was still not enough to beat Winky or even come close, but he is a little smaller than Leonard and thats why this fight would be closer. BTW I am not saying Leonard would lose hands down I just think Winky would get the best of him, but I could easily see the big hearted and even more talented Leonard pulling off a well earned victory.
You know...I don't have any expectations of Taylor anymore...I honestly dont know what the fwock happened to the kid. I S*** you not...since HBO started pumping money up his a** crack...he aint been worth S*** pumpin out of a gooses a**.
Really.
Look back through Taylors career & youll see some serious fights from Taylor. Some very clean decisive wins & some heavy handed TKO's. It's either the fact that he stepped up the opp...or he's just fallen the fwock off mentally.
I say it;s the latter.
Also...back to the bulk of this post...no way that Taylor can compete against the fantastic three.
Hagler, Leonard, or Hearns would eat his a** alive. Taylor starts that backin out S***...not throwing on the back foot...just pedalin...he's out.
Its kind of double standards because he did hold his own against Winky who could compete with all three of these guys. IMO Taylor might not have that special ko gift, but he is strong enough and fast enough to compete with maybe any fighter. I mean he hasn't won IMO, but he has held his own against Hopkins and Winky, and though Hopkins was old he had beaten everybody for a very long time very decisively until he fought Taylor.
I don't see that he held his own against Wright. I think he lost that fight.
Taylor might be atheletically sound...but he's not fundamentally strong nor is his head all in the game. Taylor does best against smaller men & not legit 160lb fighters. Most of the middles that he fought & dispatched early in his career were gents on the rise from 154lbs.
Also...main issue, IWO, is the letting go of Pat Burns.
It just makes no sense to me...I still say that this was cooked up by HBO execs to raise Taylor's status & super star potential putting him with a super star trainer in Steward.
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CC IN 24 Wack,I agree with everything you say about JT. I have been willing to give him chance,have defended him at times and respect the fact that he fights anyone BUT I just cannot get a real liking for him,he is just far far too flawed.He's just a pure brute force guy but what when he fights someone who is his match physically,whom he cannot just backup or outmuscle? I'd like to see what happens then.
As for Winky v SRl,Winky is a defensive genius against anyone he has fought thus far but NONE of those peeps compare to SRL.I pretty much agree with Oumafans post,excellent analysis bro.I think SRL by quite a few points in an UD.
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Re: Winky Wright vs. Ray Leonard at 160
leonard would outland winky but punches would be hitting arms and elbows winky would land most affective punches but leonard would throw more its pick em depends what judges we get do they like accurate and clean punching or do they like punches that are thrown in bunches and more active guy ??
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Re: Winky Wright vs. Ray Leonard at 160
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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
SRL is far more superior than anyone Wright has been in the ring with. SRL would school Tito, SSM, JT. His speed, power, reflexes.
I actually see SRL flurrying and breaking down Winkys boring defense wall. You got to be fast in order to do that Winky can only cover up so fast, thats why I thought PBF would even have a good chance against Winky as well.
and the post of the day award goes to....
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Re: Winky Wright vs. Ray Leonard at 160
Ray Leonard never 'schooled' anyone of consequence above welterweight. Not only would Winky right win a unanimous decision over him at middleweight, he also would outpoint him at 154 as well. Leonard never impressed me above 147. And he sure as hell wouldn't get away with that little last 30 second of a round pitter patter that stole him his undeserved Hagler W against a technician like Winky.
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Re: Winky Wright vs. Ray Leonard at 160
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
leonard would outland winky but punches would be hitting arms and elbows winky would land most affective punches but leonard would throw more its pick em depends what judges we get do they like accurate and clean punching or do they like punches that are thrown in bunches and more active guy ??
I can agree with this, and I think Winky would throw more... He threw more punches in the Quartey fight than Leonard has thrown in any fight I've seen from what I can remember, and on the outside Leonard was never all that busy against good boxers. I think Winky's short heavy punches would be hard for Leonard to overcome.
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Originally Posted by smashcrusher
Ray Leonard never 'schooled' anyone of consequence above welterweight. Not only would Winky right win a unanimous decision over him at middleweight, he also would outpoint him at 154 as well. Leonard never impressed me above 147. And he sure as hell wouldn't get away with that little last 30 second of a round pitter patter that stole him his undeserved Hagler W against a technician like Winky.
hahah sounds like someone bitter who lost $ on the srl vs hagler fight LOL. well ill say this he was smart enough to win the crowd thus win the judges by those last 30 minute flurries and just like RJJ in his later part of his career u do have to add up all the punches landed to the body cleanly opened and not even blocked. those are all points added up whether u dislike the flurries or not.
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Re: Winky Wright vs. Ray Leonard at 160
Roy Jones flurried less later in his career and became more of a pot shot fighter so he wouldn't get hit as much, and he would pick apart his opponent one or two punches at a time.
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Originally Posted by Taeth
Roy Jones flurried less later in his career and became more of a pot shot fighter so he wouldn't get hit as much, and he would pick apart his opponent one or two punches at a time.
no bro im not talking like the decline jones im talking the late 168 and late 175 rjj. i love them sick combos and ridiculous flurries to the body. he even WON the first Tarver fight IMO cuz i was sitting ringside that night by clean effective body punches mostly due to the flurries to tarvers body. yes tarver flurried back but most of those hit RJJ arms even tho he was pinned against the ropes.
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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
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Originally Posted by Taeth
Roy Jones flurried less later in his career and became more of a pot shot fighter so he wouldn't get hit as much, and he would pick apart his opponent one or two punches at a time.
no bro im not talking like the decline jones im talking the late 168 and late 175 rjj. i love them sick combos and ridiculous flurries to the body. he even WON the first Tarver fight IMO cuz i was sitting ringside that night by clean effective body punches mostly due to the flurries to tarvers body. yes tarver flurried back but most of those hit RJJ arms even tho he was pinned against the ropes.
For real. I was at that Mandalay Bay that night as well. It was a couple of years ago. I taught Jones deserved the win too. I don't remember who they fought, but Winky Wright looked like shit that night, but Jermain Taylor looked pretty good.
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Re: Winky Wright vs. Ray Leonard at 160
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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
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Originally Posted by smashcrusher
Ray Leonard never 'schooled' anyone of consequence above welterweight. Not only would Winky right win a unanimous decision over him at middleweight, he also would outpoint him at 154 as well. Leonard never impressed me above 147. And he sure as hell wouldn't get away with that little last 30 second of a round pitter patter that stole him his undeserved Hagler W against a technician like Winky.
hahah sounds like someone bitter who lost $ on the srl vs hagler fight LOL. well ill say this he was smart enough to win the crowd thus win the judges by those last 30 minute flurries and just like RJJ in his later part of his career u do have to add up all the punches landed to the body cleanly opened and not even blocked. those are all points added up whether u dislike the flurries or not.
Maybe it sounds like someone who agrees with 70% of the boxing public, moron.
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Re: Winky Wright vs. Ray Leonard at 160
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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
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Originally Posted by Taeth
Roy Jones flurried less later in his career and became more of a pot shot fighter so he wouldn't get hit as much, and he would pick apart his opponent one or two punches at a time.
no bro im not talking like the decline jones im talking the late 168 and late 175 rjj. i love them sick combos and ridiculous flurries to the body. he even WON the first Tarver fight IMO cuz i was sitting ringside that night by clean effective body punches mostly due to the flurries to tarvers body. yes tarver flurried back but most of those hit RJJ arms even tho he was pinned against the ropes.
The first Tarver fight he just landed more... the first few rounds he lost, but then he took control of the fight, and late 175 RJJ was just pot shotting his fights against Gonzalez, Telesco, Harmon, Woods, Kelly he just hit a few times on the outside, and very rarely would put together a 4-5 punch combination which was his trademark at middleweight divisions.
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Re: Winky Wright vs. Ray Leonard at 160
Ray Leonard's ability to control distance and move help him out vs Wright though I see Winky as a more defensive Tommy Hearns....of course he doesn't have that power but he's a lanky fighter with the great ability to use the 1-2 to counter pretty much anything.
DRAW at 160
Wright-Hagler would be interesting....I think Marvin's body work wins it for him as well as Wink's suspect chin (he has been floored numerous times before)
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