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** PBF: You make your desicion about his resume....**
k, lets examine the evidence, the following are key wins on PBF career:
(BTW this is NOT a hate thread of any kind, I have spend sometime putting this thread together trying to examine his career and his top competition at the time as he gathered his titles at 130, 135, 140 and 147..so please if you are going to reply, keep it to facts and analysis...not simple to stupid comments)
130 lbs:
Genaro Hernandez: dominating the far more experience Hernandez showed everyone that PBF was force to recken with…total dominance, now Hernandez was for all practical purpose at the end of his career in fact this was his last fight.
Angel Manfredy: a good fighter B type fighter that became champ, tough, but taylor made for PBF, and one that through out his career, lost to all A type fighters he face…
Ramon Rios: again a B type fighter, plenty of experience but not skills to deal with PBF
Juunku: tough FIGHTER FROM Uganda, in similar fashion to all African boxers tough, yet not enough talent to deal with PBF…..B type fighter, again never beat an A type fighter.
Gregorio Vargas: good solid win for PBF, Vargas was tough and PBF boxed the pants out of him….
Chico Corrales: the second feather on PBF cap, no doubt, Chico perhaps a little to wet behind the ears to face the mastery of PBF nevertheless an impressive win.
Carlos Hernandez: another good win for PBF, yet he got floored for the first time , easy win. Hernandez again not beating the A type boxers he faced on his carrer
Jesus Chavez: the 3rd feather on PBF cap, beat him easily dominating a good good fighter.
Now the question here is clear : what big JRLW names are missing here- Popo Freitas and El Cepillo …why not clean the division before moving to 135
135lbs:
Castillo I & II : 2 great fights second weightclass he claimed. Another feather on his cap…
Sosa: impressive record but against who…B type fighter at best….fought chumps before and after PBF..
Ndou: good fighter at the end of his career, PBF took care of business.
Again more of the same….Stevie Johnston…why not fight him, the division was depleated of talent that time and Castillo and Johnston was it!!
140lbs
Chop Chop: another cap on his feather, top competition
Brussels: not great competion, good record but against who…win the eliminator
Gatti: a shot B class fighter, who never beat an A type boxer, we all agree he overwhelm Gatti, to win 3rd title
Mitchell: a shot fighter, not even a fight….
Judah: beat a talented Judah, no doubt another feather on his cap….
Tata Baldomir: wins his 4th title, a tough fighter totally dominate Tata with ease….
Now, again who are the top 140lbs at the time: Hatton, Cotto, Tszyu
You can call me hater or what ever you would like but the evidence is listed above and it is hard refute..
PBF had a chance to become something very special in boxing, yes very special, but for some reason, he evaded the heavier road obstacles and opted for the money…He had greatness within his grasp at JRLW, LW and JRWW….yet he kept skipping…and now he wants the greatness handed to him on a silver platter against an aging ODLH and it is not going to happened….he will beat ODLH but that ATG recognition he wants will still elude him…
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Originally Posted by Orishaman
k, lets examine the evidence, the following are key wins on PBF career:
(BTW this is NOT a hate thread of any kind, I have spend sometime putting this thread together trying to examine his career and his top competition at the time as he gathered his titles at 130, 135, 140 and 147..so please if you are going to reply, keep it to facts and analysis...not simple to stupid comments)
130 lbs:
Genaro Hernandez: dominating the far more experience Hernandez showed everyone that PBF was force to recken with…total dominance, now Hernandez was for all practical purpose at the end of his career in fact this was his last fight.
Angel Manfredy: a good fighter B type fighter that became champ, tough, but taylor made for PBF, and one that through out his career, lost to all A type fighters he face…
Ramon Rios: again a B type fighter, plenty of experience but not skills to deal with PBF
Juunku: tough FIGHTER FROM Uganda, in similar fashion to all African boxers tough, yet not enough talent to deal with PBF…..B type fighter, again never beat an A type fighter.
Gregorio Vargas: good solid win for PBF, Vargas was tough and PBF boxed the pants out of him….
Chico Corrales: the second feather on PBF cap, no doubt, Chico perhaps a little to wet behind the ears to face the mastery of PBF nevertheless an impressive win.
Carlos Hernandez: another good win for PBF, yet he got floored for the first time , easy win. Hernandez again not beating the A type boxers he faced on his carrer
Jesus Chavez: the 3rd feather on PBF cap, beat him easily dominating a good good fighter.
Now the question here is clear : what big JRLW names are missing here- Popo Freitas and El Cepillo …why not clean the division before moving to 135
135lbs:
Castillo I & II : 2 great fights second weightclass he claimed. Another feather on his cap…
Sosa: impressive record but against who…B type fighter at best….fought chumps before and after PBF..
Ndou: good fighter at the end of his career, PBF took care of business.
Again more of the same….Stevie Johnston…why not fight him, the division was depleated of talent that time and Castillo and Johnston was it!!
140lbs
Chop Chop: another cap on his feather, top competition
Brussels: not great competion, good record but against who…win the eliminator
Gatti: a shot B class fighter, who never beat an A type boxer, we all agree he overwhelm Gatti, to win 3rd title
Mitchell: a shot fighter, not even a fight….
Judah: beat a talented Judah, no doubt another feather on his cap….
Tata Baldomir: wins his 4th title, a tough fighter totally dominate Tata with ease….
Now, again who are the top 140lbs at the time: Hatton, Cotto, Tszyu
You can call me hater or what ever you would like but the evidence is listed above and it is hard refute..
PBF had a chance to become something very special in boxing, yes very special, but for some reason, he evaded the heavier road obstacles and opted for the money…He had greatness within his grasp at JRLW, LW and JRWW….yet he kept skipping…and now he wants the greatness handed to him on a silver platter against an aging ODLH and it is not going to happened….he will beat ODLH but that ATG recognition he wants will still elude him…
CC. Agree with you for the most part. BTW, Mayweather didn't get floored by Carlos Hernandez. Mayweather's hand hurt him so bad after hitting Hernandez that he touched the canvas.
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This is the stupidest thread ever.
He fought alot of good and even some great fighters, and he's only had trouble(sort of) with one of them, and he was injured at the time.
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Originally Posted by albsur2006
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Originally Posted by Orishaman
k, lets examine the evidence, the following are key wins on PBF career:
(BTW this is NOT a hate thread of any kind, I have spend sometime putting this thread together trying to examine his career and his top competition at the time as he gathered his titles at 130, 135, 140 and 147..so please if you are going to reply, keep it to facts and analysis...not simple to stupid comments)
130 lbs:
Genaro Hernandez: dominating the far more experience Hernandez showed everyone that PBF was force to recken with…total dominance, now Hernandez was for all practical purpose at the end of his career in fact this was his last fight.
Angel Manfredy: a good fighter B type fighter that became champ, tough, but taylor made for PBF, and one that through out his career, lost to all A type fighters he face…
Ramon Rios: again a B type fighter, plenty of experience but not skills to deal with PBF
Juunku: tough FIGHTER FROM Uganda, in similar fashion to all African boxers tough, yet not enough talent to deal with PBF…..B type fighter, again never beat an A type fighter.
Gregorio Vargas: good solid win for PBF, Vargas was tough and PBF boxed the pants out of him….
Chico Corrales: the second feather on PBF cap, no doubt, Chico perhaps a little to wet behind the ears to face the mastery of PBF nevertheless an impressive win.
Carlos Hernandez: another good win for PBF, yet he got floored for the first time , easy win. Hernandez again not beating the A type boxers he faced on his carrer
Jesus Chavez: the 3rd feather on PBF cap, beat him easily dominating a good good fighter.
Now the question here is clear : what big JRLW names are missing here- Popo Freitas and El Cepillo …why not clean the division before moving to 135
135lbs:
Castillo I & II : 2 great fights second weightclass he claimed. Another feather on his cap…
Sosa: impressive record but against who…B type fighter at best….fought chumps before and after PBF..
Ndou: good fighter at the end of his career, PBF took care of business.
Again more of the same….Stevie Johnston…why not fight him, the division was depleated of talent that time and Castillo and Johnston was it!!
140lbs
Chop Chop: another cap on his feather, top competition
Brussels: not great competion, good record but against who…win the eliminator
Gatti: a shot B class fighter, who never beat an A type boxer, we all agree he overwhelm Gatti, to win 3rd title
Mitchell: a shot fighter, not even a fight….
Judah: beat a talented Judah, no doubt another feather on his cap….
Tata Baldomir: wins his 4th title, a tough fighter totally dominate Tata with ease….
Now, again who are the top 140lbs at the time: Hatton, Cotto, Tszyu
You can call me hater or what ever you would like but the evidence is listed above and it is hard refute..
PBF had a chance to become something very special in boxing, yes very special, but for some reason, he evaded the heavier road obstacles and opted for the money…He had greatness within his grasp at JRLW, LW and JRWW….yet he kept skipping…and now he wants the greatness handed to him on a silver platter against an aging ODLH and it is not going to happened….he will beat ODLH but that ATG recognition he wants will still elude him…
CC. Agree with you for the most part. BTW, Mayweather didn't get floored by Carlos Hernandez. Mayweather's hand hurt him so bad after hitting Hernandez that he touched the canvas.
Carlos Hernandez floored PBF:
Carlos Hernandez 128½ 33-2-1
Van Andel Arena, Grand Rapids, MI, USA W UD 12 12 Wiki Biography
~ Referee: Dale Grable | Judge: Peter Trematerra 119-109 | Judge: Robert Watson 117-109 | Judge: Marty Sammon 116-111 ~
~ WBC Super Featherweight Title ~
Mayweather suffered first knockdown of his career in the 6th rd; Hernandez penalized 1 point in Rd 12 for elbowing.
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Originally Posted by Orishaman
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Originally Posted by albsur2006
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Originally Posted by Orishaman
k, lets examine the evidence, the following are key wins on PBF career:
(BTW this is NOT a hate thread of any kind, I have spend sometime putting this thread together trying to examine his career and his top competition at the time as he gathered his titles at 130, 135, 140 and 147..so please if you are going to reply, keep it to facts and analysis...not simple to stupid comments)
130 lbs:
Genaro Hernandez: dominating the far more experience Hernandez showed everyone that PBF was force to recken with…total dominance, now Hernandez was for all practical purpose at the end of his career in fact this was his last fight.
Angel Manfredy: a good fighter B type fighter that became champ, tough, but taylor made for PBF, and one that through out his career, lost to all A type fighters he face…
Ramon Rios: again a B type fighter, plenty of experience but not skills to deal with PBF
Juunku: tough FIGHTER FROM Uganda, in similar fashion to all African boxers tough, yet not enough talent to deal with PBF…..B type fighter, again never beat an A type fighter.
Gregorio Vargas: good solid win for PBF, Vargas was tough and PBF boxed the pants out of him….
Chico Corrales: the second feather on PBF cap, no doubt, Chico perhaps a little to wet behind the ears to face the mastery of PBF nevertheless an impressive win.
Carlos Hernandez: another good win for PBF, yet he got floored for the first time , easy win. Hernandez again not beating the A type boxers he faced on his carrer
Jesus Chavez: the 3rd feather on PBF cap, beat him easily dominating a good good fighter.
Now the question here is clear : what big JRLW names are missing here- Popo Freitas and El Cepillo …why not clean the division before moving to 135
135lbs:
Castillo I & II : 2 great fights second weightclass he claimed. Another feather on his cap…
Sosa: impressive record but against who…B type fighter at best….fought chumps before and after PBF..
Ndou: good fighter at the end of his career, PBF took care of business.
Again more of the same….Stevie Johnston…why not fight him, the division was depleated of talent that time and Castillo and Johnston was it!!
140lbs
Chop Chop: another cap on his feather, top competition
Brussels: not great competion, good record but against who…win the eliminator
Gatti: a shot B class fighter, who never beat an A type boxer, we all agree he overwhelm Gatti, to win 3rd title
Mitchell: a shot fighter, not even a fight….
Judah: beat a talented Judah, no doubt another feather on his cap….
Tata Baldomir: wins his 4th title, a tough fighter totally dominate Tata with ease….
Now, again who are the top 140lbs at the time: Hatton, Cotto, Tszyu
You can call me hater or what ever you would like but the evidence is listed above and it is hard refute..
PBF had a chance to become something very special in boxing, yes very special, but for some reason, he evaded the heavier road obstacles and opted for the money…He had greatness within his grasp at JRLW, LW and JRWW….yet he kept skipping…and now he wants the greatness handed to him on a silver platter against an aging ODLH and it is not going to happened….he will beat ODLH but that ATG recognition he wants will still elude him…
CC. Agree with you for the most part. BTW, Mayweather didn't get floored by Carlos Hernandez. Mayweather's hand hurt him so bad after hitting Hernandez that he touched the canvas.
Carlos Hernandez floored PBF:
Carlos Hernandez 128½ 33-2-1
Van Andel Arena, Grand Rapids, MI, USA W UD 12 12 Wiki Biography
~ Referee: Dale Grable | Judge: Peter Trematerra 119-109 | Judge: Robert Watson 117-109 | Judge: Marty Sammon 116-111 ~
~ WBC Super Featherweight Title ~
Mayweather suffered first knockdown of his career in the 6th rd; Hernandez penalized 1 point in Rd 12 for elbowing.
You see that's the problem with reading Boxrec summarys instead of actually watching the fight. You don't really knows the facts and you're trying to sit here and act like you know what you are talking about when you really don't.
Check this out please:
http://www.boxingtimes.com/analyses/...hernandez.html
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I don;t need to go anywhere Iwatch the fight I simply reference you to BoxREC SINCE YOU WERE SO ENFATICALLY WRONG ON YOUR STATEMENT....
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Name one great fighter Floyd has faced ?
Now name some fighters he could have faced and you get a resume that looks better than the rubbish hes peddling as p4p
Tszyu is the most obvious but even hatton and Cotto would have stunned us (if Floyd took the fights)
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I don;t need to go anywhere Iwatch the fight I simply reference you to BoxREC SINCE YOU WERE SO ENFATICALLY WRONG ON YOUR STATEMENT....
How was I wrong?? Carlos didn't floor Floyd with a punch or even a push. Floyd hit Carlos and his hand hurt him so bad after the hit, he touched the canvas on accident. The ref ruled it a knockdown which was correct but Carlos did not floor Floyd. Floyd floored himself. BTW, I hate to be a little prick, but it's emphatically. Enjoy the CC and leave it at that.
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Originally Posted by ross
Name one great fighter Floyd has faced ?
Now name some fighters he could have faced and you get a resume that looks better than the rubbish hes peddling as p4p
Tszyu is the most obvious but even hatton and Cotto would have stunned us (if Floyd took the fights)
Chavez & Corrales & Castillo...all greats in the minds of boxing pundits & the media & the fans when Floyd outshined them.
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Originally Posted by ross
Name one great fighter Floyd has faced ?
Now name some fighters he could have faced and you get a resume that looks better than the rubbish hes peddling as p4p
Tszyu is the most obvious but even hatton and Cotto would have stunned us (if Floyd took the fights)
Once again, Floyd tried to fight Hatton and Hatton came out and said that he wasn't ready yet but he would pursue the fight in the future. Both Graham and Hatton said this. When Floyd was at 140, you never even heard Cotto's name because Arum promoted both. Arum wanted to build Cotto up. Floyd fighting Cotto at 140 would have been career suicide for Cotto, Arum knew this. Cotto was too green anyway at the time. Now the fight looks a little better at 147.
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he touched the canvas on accident. The ref ruled it a knockdown which was correct
It was a knockdown, those are the rules, Carlos made Floyd have a knockdown, floyd didnt have to do it but he did, carlos forced him to
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Chavez, Coralles and Castillo are good not great otherwise what do great fighters become ?
Super Emeritus ;D
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Originally Posted by ross
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Originally Posted by albsur2006
he touched the canvas on accident. The ref ruled it a knockdown which was correct
It was a knockdown, those are the rules, Carlos made Floyd have a knockdown, floyd didnt have to do it but he did, carlos forced him to
You're right. I'm just a little miffed at the word floored because it implies that Carlos landed some huge punch that put Floyd on the canvas. But yeah, that was Floyd's first and only knockdown.
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Originally Posted by Taeth
This is the stupidest thread ever.
He fought alot of good and even some great fighters, and he's only had trouble(sort of) with one of them, and he was injured at the time.
He was injured when he fought Castillo the first time???
I still think it's not too much to ask of the guy to fight Mosley and some other PROVEN great fighters before he calls it a career.
Chico wasn't really tested when he fought PBF
Floyd never fought Casamayor either....a tough customer with a slick style
Floyd has done well but his fight vs De la Hoya will have a HUGE say in how his career is viewed....he was either protected or always great, history can be very polarizing, I think honestly he's somewhere inbetween
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The knockdown does not mean anything at all,he just went down from the shooting pain he got from breaking/damaging his hand from all the shots he was landing on Carlos head!
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Originally Posted by ross
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Originally Posted by albsur2006
he touched the canvas on accident. The ref ruled it a knockdown which was correct
It was a knockdown, those are the rules, Carlos made Floyd have a knockdown, floyd didnt have to do it but he did, carlos forced him to
Your an idiot. Anybody who considers that a knock down is a fucking idiot. That simple. It shouldn't even of been considered a knock down as no punch ever landed.
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Originally Posted by ross
Name one great fighter Floyd has faced ?
Now name some fighters he could have faced and you get a resume that looks better than the rubbish hes peddling as p4p
Tszyu is the most obvious but even hatton and Cotto would have stunned us (if Floyd took the fights)
Knock Mayweathers resume all you want. It still better than Hatton's, Cotto's, Margarito's or any other fighter you want to name. With the exception of Oscar De La Hoya.
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When a glove touches the canvas its a knockdown, there was another very legitimate one in the Judah fight, those are the rules
Tszyu is better than anyone on Floyds record and he could have been on Floyds record if only Floyd would have some balls
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Originally Posted by ross
When a glove touches the canvas its a knockdown, there was another very legitimate one in the Judah fight, those are the rules
Tszyu is better than anyone on Floyds record and he could have been on Floyds record if only Floyd would have some balls
Diffrence is that a punch landed against Judah. No punch landed in the Hernandez fight. Mayweather doubled over on his own. No punch. No knock down. Go read the rules. And the question was who has a better resume than Mayweather? Tszyu resume is not better than's Mayweather. And Tszyu could of been on De La Hoya's record and Shane Mosley's record but Vince Phillips knocked him out. So what's your point?
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Originally Posted by ross
When a glove touches the canvas its a knockdown, there was another very legitimate one in the Judah fight, those are the rules
Tszyu is better than anyone on Floyds record and he could have been on Floyds record if only Floyd would have some balls
floyd was gonna fight kosta, but kosta fought hatton first................... and lost (i wonder what mayweather would have done to kosta at 140??)
floyd tried making a fight with hatton, but warren said he didnt want ricky going to the us and floyd didnt want to go to the uk, so the fight was never made
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why do people try to make it PBF's fault that these fights didn't happen?
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
No knock down. Go read the rules.
Ii know the rules, ive boxed ;D ::**
When a glove touches the canvas a knockdown is awarded
If Floyd fought Tszyu there would have been Flaming skid marks around the canvas like in Back to the future from Floyds little booties just like in the Baldomir fight.
Hes just not worth watching, I remember in the Baldomir fight Floyd leant back cross armed and Carlos just walked on him and Floyd could do nothing because hed crossed his arms and carlos had taken any space away, Floyd just isnt a defensive genius at all ;D
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Originally Posted by ross
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
No knock down. Go read the rules.
Ii know the rules, ive boxed ;D ::**
When a glove touches the canvas a knockdown is awarded
If Floyd fought Tszyu there would have been Flaming skid marks around the canvas like in Back to the future from Floyds little booties just like in the Baldomir fight.
Hes just not worth watching,
I remember in the Baldomir fight Floyd leant back cross armed and Carlos just walked on him and Floyd could do nothing because hed crossed his arms and carlos had taken any space away, Floyd just isnt a defensive genius at all ;D
yup................
youre absolutely right
floyd showed no defence against baldomir (a huge welterweight) and baldomir walked him down. if i remember correctly, baldomir landed like 80% of his shots, and floyd was just swinging and missing
it was a very close fight that baldomir probably should have won ::**
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Well we're all aware of the fact that Baldomir was slow as shit but he took Floyd's shots without much trouble.....ODH will do the same BUT he'll throw faster punches and and harder ones too.
Oscar will be the toughest fight of his career
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Originally Posted by Orishaman
k, lets examine the evidence, the following are key wins on PBF career:
(BTW this is NOT a hate thread of any kind, I have spend sometime putting this thread together trying to examine his career and his top competition at the time as he gathered his titles at 130, 135, 140 and 147..so please if you are going to reply, keep it to facts and analysis...not simple to stupid comments)
Fair enough. No simple or stupid comments.
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Originally Posted by Orishaman
130 lbs:
Genaro Hernandez: dominating the far more experience Hernandez showed everyone that PBF was force to recken with…total dominance, now Hernandez was for all practical purpose at the end of his career in fact this was his last fight.
Hernandez was Floyd's first chance at a title shot. He had also taken on many other great fighters...including Oscar...to whom he lost. After losing to Oscar he picked up the WBC featherweight title & he defended it either 4 or 5 times against some pretty game opposition...Floyd beat him & he never fought again...yeah...you can say that he ended his career but I'm not so sure I'd lable him as practically at the end of his career after winning & defending a title multiple times...but again...Floyd knocked him out...or whatever you wish to call it...he whipped him quite handily.
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Angel Manfredy: a good fighter B type fighter that became champ, tough, but taylor made for PBF, and one that through out his career, lost to all A type fighters he face…
Angel Manfredy was a good fighter indeed...yes he did fall to the competition...but many have & many do & many will. The thing about Manfedy is that he was a solid fighter who stalled a bit in the start of his career. He defeated Gatti when Gatti was a somebody & put up one hell of a showing there...stopped him or his corner did.
After Mayweather...Manfredy would go on to have his ass handed to him by other championship fighters like Johnston, Corrales, & a few other namers.
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Ramon Rios: again a B type fighter, plenty of experience but not skills to deal with PBF
Agreed. Plenty of experience...but argueabely the statement that he didn't have the skills to deal with Floyd can apply to pretty much everyone that Floyd has faced.
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Juunku: tough FIGHTER FROM Uganda, in similar fashion to all African boxers tough, yet not enough talent to deal with PBF…..B type fighter, again never beat an A type fighter.
Agreed. Juuko was not a world beater...he was indeed a tuff fighter...but the world is full of A's & B's & C's & D's...Floyd is now on the 4th defense of his Super Feather title & he's still fighting game opposition...it's just previous tense...something that everyone keeps over looking.
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Gregorio Vargas: good solid win for PBF, Vargas was tough and PBF boxed the pants out of him….
Agreed...another shut out...which is what is beginning to show up as the defining status of Floyd. He has gained momentum & a reputation for beating tuff & game fighters by virtuoso performances.
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Chico Corrales: the second feather on PBF cap, no doubt, Chico perhaps a little to wet behind the ears to face the mastery of PBF nevertheless an impressive win.
Early on in his career Floyd takes on one of the hardest hitters of the division & he utterly destroys him...so...now Corrales then becomes wet behind the ears, he lost too much weight, or he had a hang nail or what the fwock ever you can come up with...& the pattern emerges within Floyd's detractors that they will reach far & wide to pick apart his opposition...no matter what...oh yeah...but nevertheless an impressive win. Priceless.
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Carlos Hernandez: another good win for PBF, yet he got floored for the first time , easy win. Hernandez again not beating the A type boxers he faced on his carrer
Here's what get's me with this...it's a good win for Floyd...but he got floored? Is that a bad thing? Champions get dropped all the time & get up to win the match...that's what makes them champions. Now...my problem is this...have you even seen the fight? I don't think you have...because it was Floyd's glove...not his ass, knees, or chest that touch the canvas...so he didn't get floored. Having a knockdown scored by a glove touching the mat does not make one floored.
Your well thought out piece is full of holes & yes HATE. Just say that you don't like Floyd & let's just get on with it.
Hernandez would go on to win the IBF title & fight in some of the most spirited fights in & around his weight class. Falling short to Morales, Chavez, & Kelley.
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Jesus Chavez: the 3rd feather on PBF cap, beat him easily dominating a good good fighter.
Dominating a great fighter. Chavez is a GREAT fighter & also...not only was it domination...Floyd was & is to date the only man to stop him. Chavez is known as being a great Mexican warrior & Chavez is still defending a title to date...he's a tuff bastard & a hell of a fighter. Again...not a chump...or a second rater...a top fighter.
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Now the question here is clear : what big JRLW names are missing here- Popo Freitas and El Cepillo …why not clean the division before moving to 135
Casamayor had already been defeated by Freitas...& you again...one man can't fight every fighter in the world...but you can have PoPo as he proved to be less than impressive.
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135lbs:
Castillo I & II : 2 great fights second weightclass he claimed. Another feather on his cap…
A true credit to Floyd & the one contradiction to everyone's critique...if Floyd's often running from top opposition...he silenced fans & critics by taking on the hardest combatant of his career in a rematch...& yep...he won again & even more convincingly so.
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Sosa: impressive record but against who…B type fighter at best….fought chumps before and after PBF..
If he's got an impressive record & he fought chumps before & after Floyd...you are just being bitter. He fought champions before & after Floyd. You need to get real.
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Ndou: good fighter at the end of his career, PBF took care of business.
Indeed.
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Again more of the same….Stevie Johnston…why not fight him, the division was depleated of talent that time and Castillo and Johnston was it!!
Stevie Johnston? Oh well...missed him...so what...Castillo...beat him twice.
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Originally Posted by Orishaman
140lbs
Chop Chop: another cap on his feather, top competition
Corley was a work horse...has been & always will be...oddly enough...I don't consider him top competition...more of the B grade...but it was still a great fight & he gave everyone else loads of trouble.
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Brussels: not great competion, good record but against who…win the eliminator
Bruseles is a good fighter...but he was just out of his league as many fighters are with Floyd.
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Gatti: a shot B class fighter, who never beat an A type boxer, we all agree he overwhelm Gatti, to win 3rd title
Agreed here. Gatti was a B class fighter...but he had made his comeback & he was the biggest PPV draw out there that Floyd could get & whether you as a fan or hater want to admit/believe it or not...boxing is about making money & the networks aren't going to stand behind a fighter that doesn't make them money. Floyd didn't want Gatti in the start of the matchmaking...but out came the money & the promises & Floyd dispatched him where others did not.
Oscar & Floyd pretty much destroyed Gatti...anyway you slice it.
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Judah: beat a talented Judah, no doubt another feather on his cap….
Agreed...& he should be credited here.
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Tata Baldomir: wins his 4th title, a tough fighter totally dominate Tata with ease….
Agreed...& he should be credited here.
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Now, again who are the top 140lbs at the time: Hatton, Cotto, Tszyu
Just because all these fights were not made...it's not Mayweather's fault that the fights weren't all made.
Careful deduction will show most that a lot of this stems from the fans, Arum's bitterness, & a lot of would be contenders pulling out here & there.
#1: Margarito wasn't a factor until Floyd left Arum...think back to when that was & you'll see that truth.
#2: Cotto...he already said he wasn't ready...then he was. When he was...that changed over the course of an 8 round blowout & youv'e never heard peep from him again due to the fact that Cotto watched ringside as Floyd systematically humiliated Miquel's sparring partner Bruseles...& that was that.
#3: Hatton by his own admission...wasn't ready...then he was...then he wasn't...then came Collazo & now he's back @ 140lbs...
But you'll never take any of that into consideration because it's easier for you all to just throw it off on Floyd...even when you read interviews of fighters saying that they aint ready.
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You can call me hater or what ever you would like but the evidence is listed above and it is hard refute..
The evidence is circustantial & all youv'e done is proven yourself to be that which you just gave me permission to lable you as...a hater.
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PBF had a chance to become something very special in boxing, yes very special, but for some reason, he evaded the heavier road obstacles and opted for the money…He had greatness within his grasp at JRLW, LW and JRWW….yet he kept skipping…and now he wants the greatness handed to him on a silver platter against an aging ODLH and it is not going to happened….he will beat ODLH but that ATG recognition he wants will still elude him…
Now...you did take some time putting this thread together...but it's got a hint of bitterness because you are indeed picking apart the opposition & putting it all under negative light...& let's face it...youv'e already proven that your'e not that big of a Floyd supporter haven't you?
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.....and now you can explain why it took so long for him to take on ODH and why he hasn't fought Mosley yet
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.....and now you can explain why it took so long for him to take on ODH and why he hasn't fought Mosley yet
i hope youre kidding...............
seriously, how long has floyd been calling out mosely and oscar??
mosely for years, and oscar was the first name out of mayweathers mouth after he beat judah (2nd was mosely, 3rd was hatton, 4th was the welterweight champ baldomir ;))
i believe it was oscar who said that "if i ever fight again, its gonna be floyd" then after the judah fight said "im going to take the rest of the year off" and while he was "taking the year off" turned around and tried to call trinidad out of retirement
so tell me lyle................... how come it took so long for oscar to finally sign the papers to fight mayweather??
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2 things I'll just mention Wack,you discuss his performances but Gatti is in no way shape or form a b fighter,if ANYONE else fought Judah after he lost to Baldo, EVERYONE on this board would be slating him aaaaand Diego Corrales was pathetic in that fight,period. A great name on the resume but I could have gone into the ring and beat him that night,and evidence is the fact that he didn't have a proper trainer for the fight,he was so weight drained he looked sick/ill and he threw 7 or 8 punches a round.
HOWEVER,I totally credit Floyd for fighting JLC the second time and beating him well and Chavez is an excellent fighter too but as I have said before,there are loads of fights out there to be made which would enhance his legacy beyond question,it is up to him hoe his career is remembered.
And I shall credit him for beating Oscar too,but there are still other fights which should be made imo.
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.....and now you can explain why it took so long for him to take on ODH and why he hasn't fought Mosley yet
Golly Lyle...I figured you understood the differences in weight classes...how long has it taken Floyd to get to where he is now?
The last time Floyd called out Shane he said that he should fight Margarito...then he said that Floyd was running from Margarito & he didn't understand...but he'd need more time before he faced Margarito...so Shane needs to STFU & keep on fighting low rate has beens that he knows he can beat.
FUCK SHANE MOSLEY!
As far as Oscar...here the fight is...no use in crying over how long it took...but if you persist...Oscar didn't want the fight...mainly because of his trainer. After dispatching Mayorga & getting a taste for blood in his mouth & the pull of the crowd again...Mayweather Sr.'s no longer & issue & if they can work it out...he'll fight Floyd...
Lyle...that fight is happening May 5th, 2007.
Oscar was the reason that the fight did not materialize with the speed that Floyd wanted. He said out of respect for Papa Floyd he would not do it.
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No one can question Floyd wanting to fight Oscar and Shane though,those are fights he has wanted for a long long time and I actually believe that Shane was a bit hesitant...starting with after the Vargas fight when asked about Floyd,he said something about his tooth hurt and getting that checked out?! WTF and yep,as Wack pointed out,the whole he should fight Tony,then winner fight me because basically he did not want fight Margarito or Floyd at the time.
LOL,Wack,do I sense some animosity towards Shane??
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2 things I'll just mention Wack,you discuss his performances but Gatti is in no way shape or form a b fighter,if ANYONE else fought Judah after he lost to Baldo, EVERYONE on this board would be slating him aaaaand Diego Corrales was pathetic in that fight,period. A great name on the resume but I could have gone into the ring and beat him that night,and evidence is the fact that he didn't have a proper trainer for the fight,he was so weight drained he looked sick/ill and he threw 7 or 8 punches a round.
Gatti I did say was a gimmee & Floyd didn't even want the fight...but Corrales? Nah babe. I watched him beat many fighters before getting his ass handed to him by Floyd & excuses be what they will be...whatever he or anyone else comes up with...Floyd would humiliate him again.
Anytime he threw a punch Floyd punished him & he connected on Floyd with several shots that people tend to forget.
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HOWEVER,I totally credit Floyd for fighting JLC the second time and beating him well and Chavez is an excellent fighter too but as I have said before,there are loads of fights out there to be made which would enhance his legacy beyond question,it is up to him hoe his career is remembered.
So I want to understand this...& I aint trying to come down hard on you...but I want to get this straight...are you saying Chavez was there to enhance his record? I beg to differ. Chavez is a hell of a fighter & that was a hell of a fight...but the hell of a fighter got beaten all to hell that night...there's no other way to view that.
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And I shall credit him for beating Oscar too,but there are still other fights which should be made imo.
If he beats Oscar. IF. It's not a solid.
The other fights to be made?
Let me guess...Hatton, Cotto, Margarito, & the list will go on & on.
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Calling out doesn't mean shit, I can call out whoever and it doesn't matter, it comes down to "did the deal get done?" and it never did happen.
PBF says he's retiring and I think it's absolute bullshit that he FINALLY fights a great fighter and he says he's going to hang it up....it's a bitch move
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Calling out doesn't mean S***, I can call out whoever and it doesn't matter, it comes down to "did the deal get done?" and it never did happen.
PBF says he's retiring and I think it's absolute bullshit that he FINALLY fights a great fighter and he says he's going to hang it up....it's a bitch move
im curious, lyle...............
so if calling people out "doesnt mean shit" then what does it mean when a fighter says "im not ready, maybe next year." ??
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You misinterpreted that Wack,I just meant I credit him for the Chavez win, Cotto(unbeaten and one of the up coming big stars of the game),Hatton(champ at 140,would come to 147 and unbeaten and Margarito(RING/ESPN number 2 WW and unbeaten at the weight for 7 or 8 years) would look awesome on his resume and no way would it go on and on after that,if he won those,I don't think anyone on this forum could say anthing?! Whereas I hardly think there was a clamour to see him beat Corley,Mitchell,these types of guys.
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Calling out doesn't mean shit, I can call out whoever and it doesn't matter, it comes down to "did the deal get done?" and it never did happen.
PBF says he's retiring and I think it's absolute bullshit that he FINALLY fights a great fighter and he says he's going to hang it up....it's a bitch move
If he does decide to retire after fighting Oscar,it is a cop out but I don't think he will,I think there will be a rematch with Oscar.
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.....and now you can explain why it took so long for him to take on ODH and why he hasn't fought Mosley yet
Probably the same reason Wlad ain't rematch Brewster or Sanders.
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PBF says he's retiring and I think it's absolute bullshit that he FINALLY fights a great fighter and he says he's going to hang it up....it's a bitch move
He's fought some great fighters...but once again...they just end up not being great enough after he beats them.
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k, lets examine the evidence, the following are key wins on PBF career:
(BTW this is NOT a hate thread of any kind, I have spend sometime putting this thread together trying to examine his career and his top competition at the time as he gathered his titles at 130, 135, 140 and 147..so please if you are going to reply, keep it to facts and analysis...not simple to stupid comments)
Fair enough. No simple or stupid comments.
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130 lbs:
Genaro Hernandez: dominating the far more experience Hernandez showed everyone that PBF was force to recken with…total dominance, now Hernandez was for all practical purpose at the end of his career in fact this was his last fight.
Hernandez was Floyd's first chance at a title shot. He had also taken on many other great fighters...includin g Oscar...to whom he lost. After losing to Oscar he picked up the WBC featherweight title & he defended it either 4 or 5 times against some pretty game opposition...Floyd beat him & he never fought again...yeah...you can say that he ended his career but I'm not so sure I'd lable him as practically at the end of his career after winning & defending a title multiple times...but again...Floyd knocked him out...or whatever you wish to call it...he whipped him quite handily.
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Angel Manfredy: a good fighter B type fighter that became champ, tough, but taylor made for PBF, and one that through out his career, lost to all A type fighters he face…
Angel Manfredy was a good fighter indeed...yes he did fall to the competition...but many have & many do & many will. The thing about Manfedy is that he was a solid fighter who stalled a bit in the start of his career. He defeated Gatti when Gatti was a somebody & put up one hell of a showing there...stopped him or his corner did.
After Mayweather...Manfre dy would go on to have his a** handed to him by other championship fighters like Johnston, Corrales, & a few other namers.
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Ramon Rios: again a B type fighter, plenty of experience but not skills to deal with PBF
Agreed. Plenty of experience...but argueabely the statement that he didn't have the skills to deal with Floyd can apply to pretty much everyone that Floyd has faced.
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Juunku: tough FIGHTER FROM Uganda, in similar fashion to all African boxers tough, yet not enough talent to deal with PBF…..B type fighter, again never beat an A type fighter.
Agreed. Juuko was not a world beater...he was indeed a tuff fighter...but the world is full of A's & B's & C's & D's...Floyd is now on the 4th defense of his Super Feather title & he's still fighting game opposition...it's just previous tense...something that everyone keeps over looking.
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Gregorio Vargas: good solid win for PBF, Vargas was tough and PBF boxed the pants out of him….
Agreed...another shut out...which is what is beginning to show up as the defining status of Floyd. He has gained momentum & a reputation for beating tuff & game fighters by virtuoso performances.
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Chico Corrales: the second feather on PBF cap, no doubt, Chico perhaps a little to wet behind the ears to face the mastery of PBF nevertheless an impressive win.
Early on in his career Floyd takes on one of the hardest hitters of the division & he utterly destroys him...so...now Corrales then becomes wet behind the ears, he lost too much weight, or he had a hang nail or what the fwock ever you can come up with...& the pattern emerges within Floyd's detractors that they will reach far & wide to pick apart his opposition...no matter what...oh yeah...but nevertheless an impressive win. Priceless.
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Carlos Hernandez: another good win for PBF, yet he got floored for the first time , easy win. Hernandez again not beating the A type boxers he faced on his carrer
Here's what get's me with this...it's a good win for Floyd...but he got floored? Is that a bad thing? Champions get dropped all the time & get up to win the match...that's what makes them champions. Now...my problem is this...have you even seen the fight? I don't think you have...because it was Floyd's glove...not his a**, knees, or chest that touch the canvas...so he didn't get floored. Having a knockdown scored by a glove touching the mat does not make one floored.
Your well thought out piece is full of holes & yes HATE. Just say that you don't like Floyd & let's just get on with it.
Hernandez would go on to win the IBF title & fight in some of the most spirited fights in & around his weight class. Falling short to Morales, Chavez, & Kelley.
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Jesus Chavez: the 3rd feather on PBF cap, beat him easily dominating a good good fighter.
Dominating a great fighter. Chavez is a GREAT fighter & also...not only was it domination...Floyd was & is to date the only man to stop him. Chavez is known as being a great Mexican warrior & Chavez is still defending a title to date...he's a tuff B****** & a hell of a fighter. Again...not a chump...or a second rater...a top fighter.
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Now the question here is clear : what big JRLW names are missing here- Popo Freitas and El Cepillo …why not clean the division before moving to 135
Casamayor had already been defeated by Freitas...& you again...one man can't fight every fighter in the world...but you can have PoPo as he proved to be less than impressive.
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135lbs:
Castillo I & II : 2 great fights second weightclass he claimed. Another feather on his cap…
A true credit to Floyd & the one contradiction to everyone's critique...if Floyd's often running from top opposition...he silenced fans & critics by taking on the hardest combatant of his career in a rematch...& yep...he won again & even more convincingly so.
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Sosa: impressive record but against who…B type fighter at best….fought chumps before and after PBF..
If he's got an impressive record & he fought chumps before & after Floyd...you are just being bitter. He fought champions before & after Floyd. You need to get real.
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Ndou: good fighter at the end of his career, PBF took care of business.
Indeed.
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Again more of the same….Stevie Johnston…why not fight him, the division was depleated of talent that time and Castillo and Johnston was it!!
Stevie Johnston? Oh well...missed him...so what...Castillo...b eat him twice.
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140lbs
Chop Chop: another cap on his feather, top competition
Corley was a work horse...has been & always will be...oddly enough...I don't consider him top competition...more of the B grade...but it was still a great fight & he gave everyone else loads of trouble.
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Brussels: not great competion, good record but against who…win the eliminator
Bruseles is a good fighter...but he was just out of his league as many fighters are with Floyd.
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Gatti: a shot B class fighter, who never beat an A type boxer, we all agree he overwhelm Gatti, to win 3rd title
Agreed here. Gatti was a B class fighter...but he had made his comeback & he was the biggest PPV draw out there that Floyd could get & whether you as a fan or hater want to admit/believe it or not...boxing is about making money & the networks aren't going to stand behind a fighter that doesn't make them money. Floyd didn't want Gatti in the start of the matchmaking...but out came the money & the promises & Floyd dispatched him where others did not.
Oscar & Floyd pretty much destroyed Gatti...anyway you slice it.
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Judah: beat a talented Judah, no doubt another feather on his cap….
Agreed...& he should be credited here.
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Tata Baldomir: wins his 4th title, a tough fighter totally dominate Tata with ease….
Agreed...& he should be credited here.
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Now, again who are the top 140lbs at the time: Hatton, Cotto, Tszyu
Just because all these fights were not made...it's not Mayweather's fault that the fights weren't all made.
Careful deduction will show most that a lot of this stems from the fans, Arum's bitterness, & a lot of would be contenders pulling out here & there.
#1: Margarito wasn't a factor until Floyd left Arum...think back to when that was & you'll see that truth.
#2: Cotto...he already said he wasn't ready...then he was. When he was...that changed over the course of an 8 round blowout & youv'e never heard peep from him again due to the fact that Cotto watched ringside as Floyd systematically humiliated Miquel's sparring partner Bruseles...& that was that.
#3: Hatton by his own admission...wasn't ready...then he was...then he wasn't...then came Collazo & now he's back @ 140lbs...
But you'll never take any of that into consideration because it's easier for you all to just throw it off on Floyd...even when you read interviews of fighters saying that they aint ready.
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You can call me hater or what ever you would like but the evidence is listed above and it is hard refute..
The evidence is circustantial & all youv'e done is proven yourself to be that which you just gave me permission to lable you as...a hater.
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PBF had a chance to become something very special in boxing, yes very special, but for some reason, he evaded the heavier road obstacles and opted for the money…He had greatness within his grasp at JRLW, LW and JRWW….yet he kept skipping…and now he wants the greatness handed to him on a silver platter against an aging ODLH and it is not going to happened….he will beat ODLH but that ATG recognition he wants will still elude him…
Now...you did take some time putting this thread together...but it's got a hint of bitterness because you are indeed picking apart the opposition & putting it all under negative light...& let's face it...youv'e already proven that your'e not that big of a Floyd supporter haven't you?
wacko....I LOVE YOU MAN!...could'nt of said it better myself ;D
