heard that hopkins said he wants a jones rematch and jones said to give him a 50-50 and the fight is done .......... sounds possible? if so wats the outcome?
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heard that hopkins said he wants a jones rematch and jones said to give him a 50-50 and the fight is done .......... sounds possible? if so wats the outcome?
....I don't think it happens, but I have to lean towards Hopkins winning because Roy just isn't himself these days.
Hopkins by late stoppage.
I wish Roy KO'd him but his speed is lacking and that was part of his power...jumping in quick with that left hook and being able to counter with the right cross.
Roy just doesn't win enough rounds now'a'days
IF the fight happens then its years too late for Jones Jr....Hopkins would take him apart and stop him..
i honestly think jones still has the style to beat hopkins all he has to do is press the action a little and he wins and we dont no if the last year has done anything to hopkins ability
Hopkins' ability didn't rely only on speed so therefore you have to figure B-Hop will do better. He's better at following a fight plan than Roy....for years RJ could do whatever he wanted to and win, now he has to do specific things in order to win....it's hard to come back to that level after being so great at just fighting off the cuff
CC in 24 if I remember. Perfect though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I'd rather see B-Hop fight either JoeCal or Winky at 168. It's obvious that RJJ is just in it for one last cash grab. Once the fight is signed, I would expect one hell of a borefest. RJJ style isn't even technical boxing, he literally just feignts and smiles, and barely throws any punches at all now. But he's still got some speed and elusiveness, couple that with B-Hop's technical counterpunching style and age, you've a definite snoozefest. FIGHT WINKY!!!
Any of you watch the Badi Ajamu fight in its entirety? Then you'd know that Roy has a pretty good shot at beatin Bernard still. I'd have to say I hope the fight gets made. I love both fighters and wish them the best. Roy can still give Bernard a lot of trouble, believe that. And if Roy wins, it'd be another Championship to his collection.
This fight would have been good about five years ago, But the way Hopkins can lead with that sneaky whithering right, He KO Jones Jr in five.Quote:
Originally Posted by the phenom
I can't see Hopkins winning unless he shows a gear to fight in that he hasn't in quite a few years. I think Roy is still too fast and too big for Hopkins, and unless he is gun shy he should win this fight quite handidly. I still think that he can't be outboxed. If anybody though it would be Hopkins, but I just see Roy being to smart and too quick for the older yet Hopkins.
I hope Roy wins,another loss and he is damaging his legacy more and more. I'd like to see it happen though although it's like few years too late...still a good match up.
i know your not supposed to site your sources, but a hint on where u heard this please? in terms of its credibility that the two are in negotiations currently?
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Originally Posted by Hulk
Yeah, Badi ain't in B-hop's league, but he did bring it very briefly, and Roy actually throw some punches and won damn near every round. Point is, he looked good in that fight even if it was against Ajamu, and if he fought like that against B-hop, he would give him trouble. BUT I forgot you fuckers know everything already! Thats why you all, or 90% of you picked Roy to get KTFO by Badi, and B-hop to lose to Tarver. And thats why I picked Roy Jones and Hopkins to both win. ^-^ ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
If this happens, Jones is a a dead man walking.
Jones doesn't have the physical tools to beat a crafty, skilled boxer like B-Hop at his point. Hopkins might be old, but he has skills and knows every trick in the book. Jones is old, but he's not crafty and he doesn't know every trick in the book. He never needed to learn them. He WAS the most physically gift boxer this generation has seen, maybe the most physically gifted in history, but those days are gone.
I think Roy Jones would be a significant underdog for this fight, if he fights like he did against tarver the second time he loses a UD, if he tries to win he gets KO'd inside 8 IMO.
What are you guys talking about? How is Roy Jones Jr. not crafty? He wasn't just a some god blessed man who had no talent... we've seen plenty of them who have had the physical gifts, but no actual skill, and Roy Jones Jr. wasn't as good as he was simply on his god given gifts if you will. He is a very good offensive fighter who may be the most brilliant offense fighter ever. He feints as well as anyone, he can figure his opponent out usually in the first round, and I admit his physical skills did interfere with his defense, but I believe that he is only in trouble defensively if an opponent can pressure him, and stay in front of him. Bernard Hopkins used to be such a man, but I am not sure if he still has it in him. Roy Jones Jr. is the craftier fighter, and I believe that if they box instead of fight that he is too good for Hopkins who only became a true boxer in his mid 30's while Roy has been a boxer since he was a teenager.
Your wrong there Hulk. No one really gave two shits about that fight. Even in winning a fight Jones showed that it is not difficult to beat him these days. Apply enough pressure and he wont fight back, he cant fight back. He will get away with it against the Onion Bahji's of the world who blew his load in the first three minutes, but a Hopkins or a Calzaghe would hammer him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
what i would like to know is if their is some confirmation on that fight or another one that jones might be fighting? i would realy like to see him again after his fight vs prince.. i think he might be getting back to his old style after a win. So anyone has a date of a fight of jones?
thx
I'll be surprised if Jones-Hopkins actually happens.
1. I don't think Jones would risk fighting Hopkins again. As it is right now, he can go into history saying that he beat Hopkins. Why give him the chance to even the score?
2. For this fight to happen, Jones and Hopkins would actually have to come to an agreement. Jones and Hopkins may be the two most stubborn people in the entire sport of boxing. I just can't see them getting to the bargaining table and agreeing on something.
Allow me to clarify, Taeth, because you bring up a good point. He obviously had SOME skill, and yes, he know some tricks, offensively. You correctly admit that he has issues with defense. Yup, big issues, and those have gotten him KO's by his last few real opponents. As for his offensive mojo, any craftiness was based around his ungodly speed. When he trys those tricks now, he just himself in trouble. So he's not really crafty anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
well 50-50 isnt a bad dealQuote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
Gotta agree with you memphis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
Infact, if Roy gets 50% of the purse, he's done well for himself as in recent years, B-hop is the main draw.
He still has ungodly speed in terms of handspeed though, and the reason Glen Johnson was successful against him was that Glenn Johnson came through his punches and was able to apply constant pressure on a Roy JOnes Jr. who couldn't hit as hard. Tarver just got a lucky shot, and in the third fight whenever Roy threw punches he was completely overwhelming Tarver, and same with in the first fight when he threw punches. Tarver only beat Roy because Roy didn't throw any punches for 90% of the time, but if he when he does throw punches like he did against Badi I think Bernard is in trouble because Roy is far more polished and still a little quicker than JT who's speed many times didn't allow Bernard to counter, and Roy still has fast reflexes, and unless Bernard could apply pressure like the younger b-hop could I can't see him winning like I've said a few times because Roy is simply a better fighter on the outside, and I still see almost nobody beating him on the outside.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeanE
Jones is not going to win this fight sorry guys. OK so Jones looked good(ish) against Badi, but B-HOP totally shut out the same bloke that beat Jones twice. Prime for Prime Jones wins all day long, but not now B-HOP's style has been less eroded with age.
If this fight happens Bernard is going to beat Jones. Roy had lost a lot since his fights with Tarver and Johnson. Just think about Jones declining performance and Hopkins superb performance against Tarver (who beat 3 times Jones (1 stolen)) ???
I rather watch a Calzage -Hopkins fight... I do not think a Hopkins - Jones fight today is worth the $50 that it will probably cost...
Um not to make huge excuses but Tarver has never looked as bad as when he did against Hopkins with or without B-hop in the ring... alot of fighters would have beaten him that night, and IMO if Roy would have thrown punches he would have one the third fight, and that second fight punch was luck, and it was hard enough to knock out almost anyone. B-hop doesn't throw enough punches, and isn't quick enough to hit Roy IMO. Because Roy is open to the one two because he reacts to the jab, but is open for the cross, however Glen Johnson only exploited this by comming foreward 24/7, but Hopkins doesn't anymore, and he doesn't keep his hands up anymore, and though he has a good right cross, Roy's is better and quicker along with his punishing body work which could spell trouble for Hopkins' skinny frame.
How the hell do y ou have Tarver winning the first fight? Anybody with even mediocre boxing knowledge would know that Roy beat Tarver in the first fight decisively.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puerto Rican Punch
I Jones won that first fight that decisively, Why the second fight????
people regard hopkins as the #1 LHW, he caned the guy who beat and Ko'd Jones, they are both cash whores and this would mean big money for them both i would of thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puerto Rican Punch
Yeah. That's what I was trying to say. Nuff said. CCQuote:
Originally Posted by cockey cockney
He was talking about why Jones fought Tarver twice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Preme
Because though Roy won the fight he didn't dominate it, and he felt he could dominate Tarver if they fought again, but he was hit by a lucky punch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puerto Rican Punch
SeanE your very knowledgable so I am asking can't you see the problems Hopkins could have with his low punch count that he has had over the past few years against a guy who thrives even moreso than Bernard himself in fighting a paced fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by SeanE
Good question. CC. This is my thinking. Hopkins "lost" the Taylor fights, largely bacause Taylor outworked him - the low punch count to which you refer. Taylor is punch output machine, young, and very long. Hopkins picked his spots, but he needed to pick more spots, right? I think most people agree on that, wheither or not you think he won or lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Against Tarver, Hopkins let his hands go more. He think he realized his mistake in not throwing enough. We can't know this for sure, but I think he was so convinced that he lost the first Taylor fight on bad judging that he didn't learn his lesson. He repeated his mistake and expected the new judges to correct error from the previous fight. I haven't watch the Tarver fight in a while, but I watched it twice, and I don't remember thinking once that Hopkins needed to let his hands go more. I don't remember him having low punch output in that fight.
So that brings us back to Hopkins v. Jones. You think that Jones is still too quick to get hit by Hopkins. I disagree. I don't think Tarver got lucky in the second fight. Jones has slowed down. A prime Roy Jones doesn't eat that punch. Wow, did I just give Jones credit? Sure. I'll take it one step further. A prime Jones slips that punch, then pummles an off-balance Tarver with a flashy 5 punch combo. Then he smiles at Tarver, slips a jab and smacks him with a double left hook.
This is why I think Jones's style is a problem for him. His old ways of defending and creating offense don't work as well know that they he has lost a step. I think Hopkins counters Jones all night, and more importantly, I don't Jones has the reach or volumn to get threw Hopkins defense. The handspeed isn't enough, and he's lost too much footspeed. I also think that Roy has and will always have, the memory of the 2 KO's in his head and that is why he was tenative in Tarver III. Jones is not the same mentally or physically.
So, no I'm not concerned about B-Hops punch output. Hopkins will throw enough to win, IMHO, but I see your point. If Hopkins lets himself get outworked, that could be a Jones edge. I just don't see Jones throwing enough more than B-Hop to make it an issue like it was against Taylor.
Hopkins is the obvious choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by the phenom
Taylor threw what like three hundred and some punches against Hopkins? He didn't throw very mny at all. I agree that RJJ isn't the athlete he once was, but he is still a better athlete than anybody over 30 out there around his weight category. Roy has lost a step, but so has Hopkins and while Roy always had tremendous footspeed Hopkins has had very average footspeed his whole career even in comparison to his above average handspeed. Hopkins couldn't counter Taylor every effectively what chance of countering does he have against Roy who doesn't just have better handspeed, but also has unbelievable timing. I still say that Tarver got a lucky counter on Roy because thats the only real counter he had in three fights the rest of the time he was hitting Roy on the ropes. I believe Hopkins could win if he pressures Roy and uses the one-two, but trying to counter Roy is suicide. Hopkins has always been a solid counter puncher, but not on that level, and he has a good defense, but its nowhere near the level of Roy's offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeanE
Sidenote: Though Roy has had diminished speed almost all of it comming through his footspeed he still virtually impossible to hit in the middle of the ring.
We just see these fights so differently. I thought Hopkins did a fine job countering Taylor when he let his hands go. Don't think it's suicide to counter Jones, 2007 version, and I'm stunned that maintain the "Lucky Punch" theory when Tarver fought him so closely in the first fight, KO'd him II, and handled him pretty easily in III.
Hopkins will know what he needs to do. He has a the abililty and reach to 1-2 Jones. I think he can pressure Jones enough. And to pose a question to you, how is Jones going to break Hopkins defense?