If there were only the original weight classes...

Just started thinking about, if there were just the original divisions, none of the jr. divisions (jr. Middleweight, light welter, ect.), what the weight classes would look like. They would be absolutely stacked. The potential matchups would be incredible, just look at the first division, flyweight, I mean a possible fight between Ivan Calderon and Vic Darchinyan.

Also thought about who would be champ in the divisions. Interested to see what people think. And I'm sure I've forgotten some people. And some of these guys are in between divisions, they probably wouldn't be where I've put them but I have to put them somewhere

Flyweight (112 pounds)

Ivan Calderon Koki Kameda Vic Darchinyan Rodel Mayol
Eagle Kyowa Brian Viloria Jorge Arce Omar Narvaez
Hugo Cazares Giovanni Segura Lorenzo Parra
Ulises Solis Pongsalek Wonjogknam Roberto Vazquez

Arce might be at 115 now but assume he would have stayed at 112 instead of going all the way up to 118.

Champ: Lorenzo Parra, the best fighter IMO although fights with Arce and Darchinyan would be great.

Bantamweight (118 pounds)

Rafael Marquez Cristian Mijares Masamori Takuyama Hozumi Hasagawa
Martin Castillo Luis Perez Jose Navarro Fernando Montiel
Jhonny Gonzalez Dmitri Kirilov Silence Mabuza Wladimir Sidorenko
Nobuo Nashiro Jose Navarro Ricardo Cordoba Alexander Munoz

Maybe Martin Castillo or Navarro would have fought at 112 but put them here. Gonzalez might have gone up to 126.

Champ: Same guy that's the champ now, Rafael Marquez

Featherweight

Manny Pacquiao Humberto Soto Chris John Nicky Cook
JMM Israel Vazquez Oscar Larios Robert Guerrero
MAB Daniel Ponce de Leon In Jin Chi Rocky Juarez
Joan Guzman Celestino Caballero Scott Harrison Orlando Solido

Pac, JMM, and MAB could all make 126 IMO so I assume they would have stayed at this division instead of going up to 135. Since Vazquez, Ponce and Caballero are all big 122 pounders put them here.

Champ: Manny Pac

Lightweight

Joel Casamayor David Diaz Alex Arthur Edner Cherry Amir Khan
Juan Diaz Jose Santa Cruz Nate Campbell Paulie Malignaggi
Julio Diaz Zahir Raheem Isaac Hlatshwayo Andreas Kotelnik
Acelino Freitas Edwin Valero Jorge Barrios Anthony and Lamont Peterson

Valero's a big, natural 130 pounder so figured he'd go here instead of 126. Just figure that Malignaggi and Kotelnik could make this weight, and would not have done well at 147.

Champ: Joel Casamyor, although I've got a feeling he won't last that long.

Welterweight

This weight class would just be ridiculous...

PBF Judah Diego Corrales Carlos Quintana Naoufel Ben Rabah
Margarito Clottey Junior Witter Carlos Baldomir Paul Williams
Cotto Vivian Harris Demetrius Hopkins Kendall Holt Kermit Cintron
Hatton Jose Luis Castillo Andre Berto Joel Julio Luis Collazo
Mosley
ODLH
Cory Spinks
Ishe Smith
Jose Rivera

Hatton, Vivian Harris, Castillo, Corrales, Witter, and Hopkins probably would have all had problems making 135, so put them here. DLH, Spinks, Mosley, Smith, and Rivera probably wouldn't have wanted to fight at 160.

Champ: PBF, although well see what happens in the ODLH fight

Middleweight

Winky Wright Roman Karmazin Sergio Mora Daniel Santos John Duddy
Jermaine Taylor Joachim Alcine Kassim Ouma Sam Soliman Giovanni Lorenzo
Edison Miranda Allan Green Ike Quartey Anthony Mundine
Arthur Abraham Peter Manfredo Sergey Dzindriuk Kelly Pavlik

The 154 guys are all natural 154 pounders that probably would have had problems making 147, maybe with the exception of Ouma. Green and Mundine have both said they could fight at 160. Doubt Manfredo would have gone all the way up to 175.

Champ: Winky Wright, I thought he beat Taylor so I guess I'll go with him.

Light Heavyweight

Joe Calzaghe Tomasz Adamek Denis Inkin Antonio Tarver Clinton Woods
Mikkel Kessler Paul Briggs Lucian Bute Vitali Tsypko Glen Johnson
Bernard Hopkins Chad Dawson Carl Froch Robert Stiglitz Jean Pascal
Librado Andrade Roy Jones Jeff Lacy Zsolt Erdei Danny Green
Adrian Diaconu Wayne Braithwaite

All the big 168 pounders are here. Wayne Braithwaite's a stretch but he's a small cruiser and apparently he's thought about going to 175.

Champ: Joe Calzaghe

Heavyweight

Not gonna list them all but obviously all the heavyweights plus the cruisers like O'Neil Bell, Haye, Mormeck, all those guys that really couldn't make 175.

Champ: Wlad

Like I said I'm sure I've forgotten some people, and the way I put some of these guys in certain divisions is easy to disagree with.

Anybody disagree about who the champions would be? If so, go right ahead.

What a F****** colossal waste of time that was ;D

Well Ouma I think its a terrific peice of work. Hows about doing another thing they did in those days, same day weigthins that would make things fun. Tell me that again ollie. by the way cc

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Well Ouma I think its a terrific peice of work. Hows about doing another thing they did in those days, same day weigthins that would make things fun. Tell me that again ollie. by the way cc

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CC. Have had a boatload of free time since I've been home for the holidays.

Same day weighins would kinda tie in to a weight class discussion. A guy like Cotto might never have fought at 140 if he had to weigh in the day of the fight.

Ouma I very much doubt if 80% of them could

nice post oumafan

:coolclick: Oumafan for all that effort

I will have aproper look later and make some comments ;)

CC. Lots of food for thought.

CC bro, that is a phenomenal post. Pair those weight classes with ONE unified sanctioning body and that's a recipe for some REAL fights being made on a regular basis. The Welterweight class would definately get cleaned up and make for some real interesting fights.

CC's back to everybody.

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CC's back to everybody.

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Your post really shows how deep welter and feather are right now and how much better it would be if there were fewer divisions and fewer belts. Even Middle and Lt Heavy would be so much better without SMW taking good fighters out of the the more high profile divisions.

cc ouma ill av a think an get bk to ye.

Great topic and nice work putting that together.CC. I was thinking about that not too long ago. There's only one thing. Hatton would have gotten one taste of WW and squeezed into lightweight.

Absultely wicked post Ouma,CC bro! I've always wanted to do something like that but have just never had the time to sit there and think it through...wow....I'll post my breakdown and thoughts in the morning,I'm tired! :P Awesome thread though man!

I know the divisions would be just stacked.... but I think it would be inherently unfair to some boxers who are naturally an in-between wieght....esp. if they had to weigh in the same day. I think good things happen either way. CC's to everyone. Good chat.

cc#650 from me Ouma you know I love well thought out posts and what you did here is amazing....

Damn! look at all those potential match ups.... :lickish:

RMarquez vs. Tokuyama
Navarro vs. Sidorenko


I pretty much agree with the champs you listed.

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Originally Posted by boozeboxer

I know the divisions would be just stacked.... but I think it would be inherently unfair to some boxers who are naturally an in-between wieght....esp. if they had to weigh in the same day. I think good things happen either way. CC's to everyone. Good chat.

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No doubt it would hurt some guys.

But you'd get some real interesting skill versus size type fights. For example, could Calderon go 12 rounds without Vic landing something real clean?

CC

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

cc#650 from me Ouma you know I love well thought out posts and what you did here is amazing....

Damn! look at all those potential match ups.... :lickish:

RMarquez vs. Tokuyama
Navarro vs. Sidorenko


I pretty much agree with the champs you listed.

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CC. There would be some interesting matchups.

The only Champ. I questioned for a second, was Casamayor but at the same time I didn't see anyone who I think would beat him.

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The only Champ. I questioned for a second, was Casamayor but at the same time I didn't see anyone who I think would beat him.

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Yeah, I said he might not last long just cause he's getting old.

But, with Castillo and Corrales not being able to make the weight anymore, that was one of the weaker divisions.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

CC bro, that is a phenomenal post. Pair those weight classes with ONE unified sanctioning body and that's a recipe for some REAL fights being made on a regular basis. The Welterweight class would definately get cleaned up and make for some real interesting fights.

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An older post but been thinking more and more about that, it probably would help the sport with the casual fan.

Only thing is, if there were only 8 weight divisions and only one title a lot of guys might get screwed out of getting a title shot.

Still the champ would be more recognizable to the casual fan.

All right, I feel like doing an update, I did this post when I was on Christmas Vacation and had an ass of time and now I'm updating it on Christmas Vacation when I have an ass of time.

I don't know why this interests me, it just does :confused:

Sure I'll leave some out

Okay

Flyweight (112 pounds)

Ivan Calderon-Koki Kameda-Roman Gonzalez-Oleydong Sithsamerchai-Raul Garcia-Donny Nietes-Edgar Sosa-Ulises Solis-Ivan Calderon-Hugo Cazares-Cesar Canchila-Nonito Donaire-Daisuke Naito-Pongsalek-Omar Narvaez-Takefumi Sakata-Geovanni Segura

Champion-Nonito Donaire-Although Donaire is moving up to 115 I think he might have stayed at 112 if the move up had to go to 118. So with that said with his skills he would be too big for Calderon IMO.

Bantamweight (118 pounds)-loaded, really loaded

Vic Darchinyan-Alexander Munoz-Fernando Montiel-Christian Mijares-Nobuo Nashiro-Z Gorres-Jose Navarro-Jorge Arce-Roberto Vazquez-Raul Martinez-Dimitri Kirilov-Gerry Penalosa-Hozumi Hasegawa-Anselmo Moreno-Joseph Agbeko-Wladimir Sidorenko-Eric Morel-Abner Mares-Silence Mabuza-Lorenzo Parra

Champion-Hozumi Hasegawa-maybe going out on a limb a bit but I'm a believer, I think its down to Montiel, Penalosa and Hasegawa and I think Haswegawa would come out on top. Mares an interesting prospect there.

Featherweight (126 pounds)

Israel Vazquez-Rafael Marquez-Celestino Caballero-Juan Manuel Lopez-Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym-Jhonny Gonzalez-Bernabe Concepcion-Ponce de Leon-Ricardo Cordoba-Steve Molitor-Chris John-Stephen Luevano-Mario Santiago-Yuriorkis Gamboa-Jorge Linares-Robert Guerrero-Cristobal Cruz-Jorge Solis-Hiroyuki Enoki-Rocky Juarez :mad:

Champion-Israel Vazquez. Tough call IMO. I could see all these guys beating Izzy-Rafa, Caballero, JuanMa, Chris John, Linares, maybe even Gamboa or Guerrero. I kept Guerrero and Linares here because 135 is a much bigger jump than 130. That's questionable but so is a lot of this. This one was tough though I thought.

Lightweight (135 pounds)-woah

Edwin Valero-Humberto Soto-Urbano Antillion-Jorge Barrios-Nicky Cook-Cassius Balloyi-Roman Martinez-Kevin Mitchell-Monty Meza-Clay-Manny Pacquaio-Juan Manuel Marquez-Nate Campbell-Juan Diaz-Julio Diaz-Joel Casamayor (:confused:)-David Diaz-Paulie Malignaggi-Antonio Pitalau-Michael Katsidis-Anthony Peterson--Ali Funeka-Yuri Romanov-Amir Khan-Breidis Prescott-Timothy Ray Bradley-Edner Cherry-

This is a bit iffy. Some smallish looking 140 pounders lik Malignaggi and Bradley I put here, that's questionable though. But it doesn't make a difference in who is champion

Champion-Manny Pacquaio. Probably gotta be him or JMM doesn't it?

Welterweight (147 pounds)

Ricky Hatton-Junior Witter-Andreas Kotelnik-Herman Ngoudjo-Kendall Holt-Ricardo Torres-Juan Urango-Marcos Maidano-Demetrius Hopkins-Lamont Peterson-Mike Alvarado-Antonio Margarito-Miguel Cotto-Shane Mosley-Joshua Clottey-Carlos Quintana-Zab Judah-Luis Collazo-Andre Berto-Isaac Hlatshwayo-Sebastian Lujan-Kermit Cintron-Paul Williams-Cory Spinks

Champion-Paul Williams. Say what you will, he could make this and I think he matches up well with Margarito who was my original choice. Cotto is right here, so is SSM, and I put Spinks here and he could be a dark horse. Then there's obviously Money :-X

Middleweight (160 pounds)

Vernon Forrest-Sergio Martinez-Sergio Mora-James Kirkland-Alfredo Angulo-Ricardo Mayorga-Verno Phillips-Sergei Dzindriuk-Daniel Santos-Joachim Alcine-Jermain Taylor-Kelly Pavlik-Arthur Abraham-Felix Sturm-Sebastian Sylvester-Khoren Gevor-Randy Griffin-Amin Asikainen-Marco Antonio Rubio-Anthony Mundine-John Duddy-David Lopez

Maybe some of those 154's could make ti to 147, who knows. Mundine has talked a lot about 160 and I think he'd try it before 175. Taylor could make it and since there's no 168 he might stay there.

Champion-Kelly Pavlik. Till a 160 pounder beats him I'll keep him there.

Light Heavyweight (175 pounds)-very very loaded, suprisingly might be the best

Joe Calzaghe-Bernard Hopkins-Mikkel Kessler-Librado Andrade-Lucian Bute-Carl Froch-Sakio Bika-Allan Green-Dennis Inkin-Jean Pascal-Edison Miranda-Andre Dirrell-Andre Ward-Alejandro Berrio-Jeff Lacy-Chad Dawson-Glen Johnson-Antonio Tarver-Zsolt Erdei-Roy Jones Jr.-Adrian Diaconu-Hugo Garay-Chris Henry-Tavaris Cloud-Clinton Woods-Shaun George

Surprisingly good.

Champion-Calzaghe I guess. Still undefeated. Hopkins, and Johnson right there with Dawson right there and unlike all those guys, getting better. Kessler too obviously. Some young prospects too.

Heavyweight-

All the heavies, plus cruisers that couldn't make 175 like Guillermo Jones, Adamek, Cunningham,etc.

Champion-Vitali or Wlad I guess, maybe Vitali. As bad as that sucks for humanity.

Oh yeah Pacquaio at 135 cause he can make it and don't see him staying at 147 permanently, maybe 140 but that doesn't matter here.

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CC bro, that is a phenomenal post. Pair those weight classes with ONE unified sanctioning body and that's a recipe for some REAL fights being made on a regular basis. The Welterweight class would definately get cleaned up and make for some real interesting fights.

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now that would be amazing

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Oh yeah Pacquaio at 135 cause he can make it and don't see him staying at 147 permanently, maybe 140 but that doesn't matter here.

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What was the whole CC thing about? cool comment? culos and cocktails?

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Oh yeah Pacquaio at 135 cause he can make it and don't see him staying at 147 permanently, maybe 140 but that doesn't matter here.

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What was the whole CC thing about? cool comment? culos and cocktails?

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That was our old rep system....

If you liked someone's post, you could give them a CC - Cool Click, or if you didn't like it - a SC - Sad Click... There was a CC and SC button next to the post (if I remember corret) and you'd click on which one.. A click counted for 1 point. It was anonymous so the person would be credited with the CC point and would not be notified of it.. It would just go onto their total which was displayed similar to how the reps are... It did not alert you when someone had CC'd or SC'd you like it does with the reps, so if you wanted a person to know you appreciated their post, you would have to actually post that you gave them a CC... Of coures being anonymous aswell, there were Sad Click snipers that would just go around SC'ing people for no reason.. I remember I got to about 150 CC's before I got my first SC.. Then they started pouring on..

Anyway, a nice trip down memory lane... CC's are well missed..
It's also why there is a "Cool Click" smilie if you look through them all..