Wacko's Drunken Round by Round : Courtesy of superheavyrhun! Oscar vs Floyd.

For roughly 5 months...on a dare...I, Wacko, have done something that I thought not humanly possible...I have kept my mouth shut regarding one of the biggest announcements of the boxing world...of my decade, atleast...but no more!

This has snowballed into one of the most widely scrutinized and anticipated fights of the last ten years.

This is the one fight that could sort out the boy's from the men...the one fight that could finally make the unthinkable...well...thinkable. This could be the very fight that makes one "Pretty Boy" look ugly & one "Golden Boy" lose his lustre...

Oscar De La Hoya vs Floyd Mayweather Jr.

The news broke on November the 14th, 2006 & our glorious forum (along with every boxing related website world wide) was flooded with polls, threads, bets, threats, questions, answers, doubts, & more speculation than a standard day at the stock market.

But...I kept good...I stuck to my promise (except for a few comments that Smash & JT drug outta me back in December) that I made you all...my fellow forum goers...but alas...that time is over...I got a lot to say & now's the time to say it...so without further delay...I present to you...once again...

(Drum roll please!!!)

Just Another One of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds featuring Oscar De La Hoya (42 fights, 38 wins with 30 ko's, & 4 losses) vs Floyd Mayweather Jr. (37 fight with 0 losses & 24 ko's).

As I said back in November...this is one of those fights that come along that I actually didn't want to see made.

A fight that feature two of my favorite fighters.

A fight that quite possibley could break all records in boxing history.

A fight that quite possibley be...make or break for both men involved.

A fight in which I would finally have to break down & actually pick against one of my favorites.

Now...all that crying...all that pissin & moanin...all that crap being said...it's also one of those fights that comes along in which the expectations are so high that they can't be met no matter what the outcome.

This is one of those fights that defines boxing history for the fans of a certain timeline...I highly doubt this...but...we shall see.

Either way...it's time for me to finally man up & come across with what I have affectionately grown to call...the Wackster's Factors of the Fight.

Now...you being me bwoys...well...you know me. You know that I could come up with two handfuls of analogies, queries, & arguements for & against both men...instead of doing that...I'll just come up with ten that I believe will be worthy of discussing.

So here we go.

Factors for & against Floyd:

#1: The Weight. This is the main factor that I believe will honestly be against Floyd...even though he made the jump to 147 quite easily & handily defeated Judah, but most impressively Baldomir...I still think that he's finally bitten off more than he can chew with Oscar. I've always believed that Floyd was naturally set for 130lbs...so this 24lb jump is nearly career suicide...not to mention the fact that he's in with one of the most dynamic & renowned fighters of the past twenty years. When Oscar fought within or around his natural weight class he was damned effective & nearly unbeatable, his power was almost unbearable. It was when he moved up & started taking the chances within the jumps he became mortal. In the end...this is the same path that I believe Floyd will take & has followed. If he trades with Oscar, this will be his first career loss...of that I am almost sure.

#2: The Speed. Clearly, Floyd has the upper hand...that goes without saying. Oscar is fast...but an on point Mayweather is as close to lightning bottled in a human body as one can get. That's about all I can say about that. Edge to Floyd.

#3: Chin. This is a tuffy...I want to say that it's even up here based on the fact that Mayweather has never really been hurt...or even actually stunned. He's almost too slick to be caught flush...that being said...if anyone can do so...it'll be Oscar.

#4: Age. At 29 years old, Floyd is 4 years Oscar's junior...but wer'e just talking numbers here. Although Oscar is a few years older than Floyd...he's not OLD by any means. On his way to the top Oscar has come out of his battles fairly unscathed & he continues to rise to the occassion...no matter who the opponent might be. I wouldn't go looking for Oscar to get old overnight against Floyd...I just don't see it happening.

#5: The Defense. Clearly...advantage to Floyd...& he's gonna need it. Floyd's in with one of the hardest hitters that he has ever faced. Floyd's reflexes are remarkable & his defense is quite nearly flawless...but if were to fail him against Oscar...even for a second...the tide could turn & all advantages are out the window.

#6: The Title, Bragging Rights, & Pressure. First & foremost...the WBC's Junior Middeweight strap. Second, the right to be called one of boxing's greatest in history...Pound for Pound.

#7: The Last Go 'Round. Mayweather went 12 rounds toe to toe against Carlos
Baldomir & totally outboxed his way to winning the WBC's welterweight strap. Many fans & critics alike were overly critical of Floyd's performance...something that, to this day, I have failed to understand. Once again...Floyd had taken another step upwards & would walk away from the win...not gaining much of anything other than a belt. Clearly...Floyd had defied the odds...but not gained the fans. Again...I fail to understand this. As a champion, Mayweather has titles at super-featherweight, lightweight, junior-welterweight, and now welterweight. For those that can't count...that's five titles in five classes. You do the math & figure out why that doesn't equate to fans or respect. Pound for Pound...that S*** don't make sense.

#8: Floyd Mayweather Sr. No matter what either Mayweather says...this could & will be a factor either for or against Floyd. If Floyd starts winning he'll gloat over the fact...& may quite possibley get careless. On the flip side...if he starts losing...all he's gotta do is shoot daddy a look & senior falls apart. Any man worth his salts...no matter what has washed under the bridge...if he is a man at all, will not & can not stand by & watch his son be decimated under the tutledge of another student of the game...esepcially one of his own. Maybe I'm wrong here...but I don't think so. We shall see.

#9: The Gloves. Oscar, being the promoter, tossed this stipulation into the contract...& lord knows why...Floyd agreed. Brittle hands quite often being a factor against Floyd...I just can't understand it. This is clearly an advantage for Oscar. They are Reyes gloves which are known to be "punchers gloves". This is a bad thing for Floyd & a good thing for Oscar.

#10: Ring Rust. There is none. Floyd's fought five times since 2004 & he's shut out every man he's faced. Advantage to Floyd.

Factors for & against Oscar:
#1: The Weight. Oscar get's the points here...see Floyd's #1 Factor...no need in repeating meself here.

#2: The Power. Hands down Oscar walks with this one. If there is anyone out there that I believe could check Floyd's chin it'd be Oscar. The thing is...Floyd's had his chin checked before & no one has actually hurt Floyd. Judah & Corley clocked him but good & he just kept on working. That being said...Oscar has been in with full blown middles & he's given as good as he got. The power & the weight is going to be the factor's in Oscar's favor.

#3: Chin. Even up here even though Oscar has been checked & tasted the canvas from a chin shot...he's got the heart & smarts & strength to pull himself offa the mat & work it out. Only recently losing to Hopkins via his first knockout loss...it was a body shot...so we'll just scratch that one offa the list of factors here.

#4: Age. Even though Oscar is a few years older than Floyd...he's not OLD. Even though he's fought every worthy adversary possible...he's kept his youth intact & he's remained fairly unscathed...so don't go looking for Oscar got get old overnight against Floyd. I honestly believe that this is a factor that, like the above, evens out.

#5: The Jab. Another factor I believe will be totally in Oscar's favor. While almost unexistent in Floyd's vast arsenal of punches...Oscar has argueably one of the best in the business. Oscar's jab sets up everything & it's damned near a weapon of it's own.

#6: The Title, Bragging Rights, & Pressure. First & foremost...the WBC's Junior Middeweight strap. Second, the right to be called one of boxing's greatest in history...Pound for Pound.

#7: The Last Go 'Round. Back in May of 2006, De La Hoya pulled the same routine as Mayweather when he jumped into what was thought to be a tuff match up against Ricardo Mayorga. Just inside six rounds Oscar totally annihilated the Nicaraguan for the WBC's junior-middleweight strap. No small feat for a man that had been out of the ring for two years after losing by knockout. Clearly...Oscar was back...then again...how do you rate Ricardo Mayorga? Like Mayweather, Oscar is a title holder at multiple classes. Oscar has held straps at super-featherweight, lightweight, junior-welterweight, welterweight, junior-middleweight, and middleweight. Ask the fans...they'll jump outta their gotdam skin to tell ya...actually...you just read it from one. Heh heh heh.

#8: Floyd Mayweather Sr. The name of Mayweather resonates all around this fight...& not just based on the opponent. Floyd Mayweather Sr will be training Oscar to defeat his very own son. As a father...I just don't see it. How could a man do such a thing? Well...all's fair in love & war...& apparently in the pocket book, too. There aint enough cash in the world...I mean...you couldn't pay me to sit there & just watch a man beat the fwock outta my child...much less knock him out.

#9: The Gloves. Oscar, being the promoter, tossed this stipulation into the contract...& lord knows why...Floyd agreed. Brittle hands quite often being a factor against Floyd...I just can't understand it. This is clearly an advantage for Oscar. They are Reyes gloves which are known to be "punchers gloves". This is a bad thing for Floyd & a good thing for Oscar.

#10: Ring Rust. Oscar's been in the ring 1 time in 2 years & that fight was against a gimmee. While he looked great against Mayorga...Floyd aint gonna stand in front of him. If in the stupid event that Floyd chooses to trade & not to box on the back foot...it's Oscar's fight...but if Floyd moves...look for Oscar to come across as confused as he did against Mosley.

Now I'm sure that you all can come up with numerous more arguements...some of you...maybe just for arguements sake...heh heh heh...but these are the only factors that mean jack shat too Wacko.

So...you want me ole' prediction now right?

Well...I never bet against my guy...but these are both my guys...so I'll just be a pussy & say it's a draw...

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaah...I gotta go with Oscar...even though all my factors point to Floyd...I've grown up on Oscar & I never bet against him.

So...the fight's a long long ways off...but this is our forum...& we can hash this out like ladies & eeeerrrrrrrrmmmmmmm....well...ladies. Now be a man!!! Shoot that last shot, chug that last beer, pass around the chips & salsa, break out your poison of choice, & puke on the closest friend next to you...it's party time.

When we get closer to fight time...like maybe March or so...I'll be making this sticky...but for right now...tear it up bitches...let's get it on.

Now I know you all want me to make a pick...ready to be shocked?

Oscar De La Hoya by late round TKO.

Gotdam right. ;D

Cheers & konneecheewah.

In light of recent events...things being what they are & the fact that these are two of my favorite fighters of all time...I'm heading to Vegas...I leave the Drunken Round by Round in the more than capable hands of me bwoy Dano.

I give you...Dan's breakdown of the fight...he done me proud! Take it away Dano:

Oscar De La Hoya v Floyd Mayweather. I know it was being talked about for a long long time but did anyone truly believe the fight would actually come off? I didn't. Not in a million years, simply because it was almost too good to be true.

This match-up is bigger than a unification. It's bigger than the old "Someone's 0 has to go" cliche. It is simply the most important fight in modern boxing history. A legend will be born on Cinco De Mayo.

This fight is so important, for so many reasons. You have Oscar De La Hoya, the six weight world champion, the family man, the squeaky clean image. But the image has flaws, defeats. They put is legacy in jeopardy. But his errors can be undone, on Cinco De Mayo.

And you have Floyd Mayweather, the undefeated four weight champion. Despite this, and his p4p #1 status, he lives in a shadow, cast over him by doubters, critics and Oscar.

What adds a bigger edge to this fight are their styles. Both of them were great amateurs, its easy to see why, both of them have textbook fundamentals, and more importantly, few flaws.

Big Factors affecting Oscar's victory - Preparation
Trainer
Floyd Snr ain't in the fight, because Oscar thought he ain't worth $2m dollars, he was offering him $0.5m if he lost and $1m if he won, Floyd Snr declined. S***. I'm not going to read into it too much but the main thing is that Oscar won't be trained by the father who created the unique style of Floyd Mayweather. Thats a big loss, if Oscar loses I think he may regret that one. As great as Freddy Roach is, I don't think he's the right guy, maybe Mosley's pop is, he did train Shane of course.

Work Ethic
Oscar is hungry. This is his chance to 'erase' the losses on his record, and earn even more payday's. So he's gonna train, and make himself the best he can be, provided he isn't bobbed down by my next factor.

Press Conferences
Oscar is the daddy of these, but he's gonna have a lot of them to do, and probably arrange too, with the Mayorga fight he didn't have to go 12, so we don't know for sure, but his fairly new found responsibilites as part of Golden Boy may affect how he trains, we don't know.

Big Factor's affecting Floyd's Victory - Preparation
Weight
154lbs is long way up. Floyd was 148lbs in the ring in his last fight. Thats his natural weight, I don't know if he's planning on bulking up, if he does obviously he is risking his speed.

Reyes Gloves
This is the big one. With brittle hands, and a kinda philly shell style, you don't want Reyes gloves. I think he'll have to accomodate the gloves into his training, and tweak his style a little. Don't quote me, but to my recollection the last time he wore Reyes was against Castillo I, and although he has evolved, Jose did land some very good punches, smaller gloves prevent a bigger gap, and Oscar will be hammering the gaps with precision, hitting him harder than anyone he's ever fought, will he fold?

Ring Size
Oscar will be keeping this as small as he can, so he must be thinking 18-20ft top, cos he won't have too much space to 'run' from Oscar (no dis-respect that's how I describe his stick and move style his style).

No Uncle Roger
I think the dude is in prison, wasn't too great a problem against Baldomir, but could be a factor in this one.

The referee
Clearly, it looks like another factor that could be influenced by Oscar or his team, it's probably gonna be one that likes to let action carry on inside. He needs to factor this in to his preparation.

Oscar's keys to winning the fight

Closing the gap will be the hardest hing for Oscar to do, he needs to be thinking pressure, pressure and more pressure.

He needs to have a high workrate, never give Floyd any time to settle, in order to win the rounds.

Timing Floyd will be hard, but is essential if he wants to break Floyd, he needs to make every shot hit something that ain't shoulder, elbow, glove or air. With the Reyes gloves it will be a little easier.

He must be careful with his jab, if he leaves it out there too long he's gonna eat Floyd's money punch, that straight right. Oscar will have something up his sleeve here I think, a slip to the left from Floyd's straight right might give him time to land that left hook.

Stamina may be an issue, it always could beat for Oscar, so he'll need to conserve energy, which'll be hard to do if he plans on pressure fighting.

Floyd's keys to winning the fight

In my opinion his chin makes him the favourite in this fight, despite what people say, I believe Floyd has never been rocked as a pro. Part of this is his becuase he's almost impossible to hit clean. Oscar has possibly the best chance yet of being the first to do this though.

Avoiding clinches will help him out, these will drain him of his energy because Oscar will no doubt be much stronger.

He'll need all his speed to outbox Oscar all night, and not let the occasion get to him, it never has before.

I can see Floyd going to the body a lot, that'll help him to slow down the pace as the fight goes on.

Other than that, just being as he calls it "The same old Floyd," will help him out, he's undefeated, and his confidence helps him to get away with his style. If he doesn't look like losing, and Oscar's hitting thin air all night, how can the rounds be scored against him?

My prediction - Oscar by knockout, but as long as the winner is clear then I don't mind who it is, I just wanna know how the better man is. I can't wait!

Excellent analysis Wacko ! I would add ring size to that list.. if that ring is 24-27 foot I think Floyd could win this , Floyd can do magical things with them feet , and trying to cut Floyd off with that kind of Real Estate is a real challenge !... However in a standard size ring 16 - 18 foot with the Reyes Gloves, I think Floyds gets caught at some point, I think the ring size is really the hidden element and everything in this fight.

Cool Click in 24 my brother ! O0

I'm saying de la hoya takes it in a decision, close but not shady.

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Excellent analysis Wacko ! I would add ring size to that list.. if that ring is 24-27 foot I think Floyd could win this , Floyd can do magical things with them feet , and trying to cut Floyd off with that kind of Real Estate is a real challenge !... However in a standard size ring 16 - 18 foot with the Reyes Gloves, I think Floyds gets caught at some point, I think the ring size is really the hidden element and everything in this fight.

Cool Click in 24 my brother ! O0

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:coolclick: right now babe.

Here's the thing...the reason that I didn't use the ring thing to a big degree was due to the fact that I kept pondering Floyd's reaction to the variations there. The fact of the ring size didn't seem to factor...basically because Floyd's been equally effective in a big ring as he has a small...BUT...BUT...the thing is...FLoyd has never fought anyone ANYONE like Oscar in any size ring...PERIOD...no matter what the gloves...PERIOD.

Know what I mean? If not...let me spell it out for everyone...OSCAR'S JUS' 2 GOTDAM LAHG!!!!!

It took me a loooooooooooooooooooooooooong time to make a pick on this one.

I've seen Oscar 3 times now, I've heard his punches ringside, thinking back...remembering what it sounded like when his hooks connected flush on Shane's ribs & jaw...that kinda helped my decision.

You know that these are two of my top 5 favorite fighters...so you know as well as everyone else on this forum that this was a tuff pick for me & that this is a fight that I really REALLY didn't want to materialize...but it's here...& if it pans out...I'll be there...& doing the DRBR live @ the fight...

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I'm saying de la hoya takes it in a decision, close but not shady.

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:coolclick: but I still say it's gonna end in a TKO.

Oscar is gonna be too big & too determined to make a fwockin statement in Wacko's erpinion. ;D



























































**If that aint enough for ya's...I say Valuev steps in & drops Oscar...caveman style...but only after Oscar drops Floyd... :-*

Oh yeah...did I say cheers & koneecheewah bitches?

No? Well then...cheers & koneecheewah bitches?

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I'm saying de la hoya takes it in a decision, close but not shady.

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:coolclick: but I still say it's gonna end in a TKO.

Oscar is gonna be too big & too determined to make a fwockin statement in Wacko's erpinion. ;D



























































**If that aint enough for ya's...I say Valuev steps in & drops Oscar...caveman style...but only after Oscar drops Floyd... :-*

Oh yeah...did I say cheers & koneecheewah bitches?

No? Well then...cheers & koneecheewah bitches?

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This is the kinda fight . well that just might not play out like it should. hehehe Watch Oscar get knocked out in the 3rd round ! :o

something funny gonna happen in this one. I got that funny feeling . ;)

or watch Floyd SR jump in the ring to save his son from getting hurt badly.. but then Oscar is disqualified
and Floyd wins ! :o

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I'm saying de la hoya takes it in a decision, close but not shady.

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:coolclick: but I still say it's gonna end in a TKO.

Oscar is gonna be too big & too determined to make a fwockin statement in Wacko's erpinion. ;D



























































**If that aint enough for ya's...I say Valuev steps in & drops Oscar...caveman style...but only after Oscar drops Floyd... :-*

Oh yeah...did I say cheers & koneecheewah bitches?

No? Well then...cheers & koneecheewah bitches?

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It should a good fight regardless i think floyd has just enough speed and mobility to not get hurt enough for the fight to be ended. As for valuev: Because its on cinco de mayo there will undoubtly be a bunch of drunk crazy mexicans that mistake him for the legendary chupacabre and they chase him out of the arena with torches and pitchforks.

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This is the kinda fight . well that just might not play out like it should. hehehe Watch Oscar get knocked out in the 3rd round ! :o

something funny gonna happen in this one. I got that funny feeling . ;)

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Let me say this...& you can't make a comparison between Oscar & Ndou...but if Floyd came out fighting the way that he did in the Ndou fight...I might give Floyd a shot at TKOing Oscar.

Everyone underestimates Floyd's accumulative power.

I would shit in my pants if Floyd won by TKO. Really...if I were at teh fight & it was live...I would run into the ring & crap my pants...just for the love of the DRBR. ;D

Could you imagine the press...I'd yoke that mic outta Buffer's mitts & say "I'd like to give a shout out to my bwoss & alla my bwoyz @ saddo's!!! We did it!!!! Look mah...no hands."

I would then jerk me trousers down to my ankles & pinch off a loaf right there in the ring...world wide...no shame...grin & bear it...drop the mic & yell out "saddoboxing.com we up in dis muh"










































































**Actually...I wouldn't...but I would shit my pants...no shit. ;D

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or watch Floyd SR jump in the ring to save his son from getting hurt badly.. but then Oscar is disqualified
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Honestly...that did cross my mind...senior getting all emotionally involved, I mean.

Christ...can you imagine the conferences? Total psyche job.

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I'm saying de la hoya takes it in a decision, close but not shady.

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:coolclick: but I still say it's gonna end in a TKO.

Oscar is gonna be too big & too determined to make a fwockin statement in Wacko's erpinion. ;D


**If that aint enough for ya's...I say Valuev steps in & drops Oscar...caveman style...but only after Oscar drops Floyd... :-*

Oh yeah...did I say cheers & koneecheewah bitches?

No? Well then...cheers & koneecheewah bitches?

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It should a good fight regardless i think floyd has just enough speed and mobility to not get hurt enough for the fight to be ended. As for valuev: Because its on cinco de mayo there will undoubtly be a bunch of drunk crazy mexicans that mistake him for the legendary chupacabre and they chase him out of the arena with torches and pitchforks.

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Poor little Frankenstein... ;D

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This is the kinda fight . well that just might not play out like it should. hehehe Watch Oscar get knocked out in the 3rd round ! :o

something funny gonna happen in this one. I got that funny feeling . ;)

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Let me say this...& you can't make a comparison between Oscar & Ndou...but if Floyd came out fighting the way that he did in the Ndou fight...I might give Floyd a shot at TKOing Oscar.

Everyone underestimates Floyd's accumulative power.

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that right.. Floyd is also wearing them Reyes gloves , instead of them pillows.. If Floyd Novocain between them knuckles a little before the match , he going to be hard to beat ! I hate them Pillow gloves ,, the power just don't transfer right,..I'm looking for a surprise in this one Wacko ! ;)

i said it once and i say it again the bigger the fight for OSCAR DLH the SHADYier the outcome. PUNTO!

well i say this is going to be surprise and its going to be one sided in mayweathers favor mark my words i can see it happening and wen it happens i want a cool click (i just learned bout it) from everyone on this site ......
o and i have to disagree about the jab of DE la ho ya being better than mayweathers thats crazy mayweather doesn't throw it to often but when he does it lands hard

Damn Wack. You just had to do it didn't you. You just had to force Violent Demise's hand. Fine. I like De La Hoya. He's done a lot for the sport of boxing. He's been a warrior his whole career. Never ducked anybody. Always tried to fight the best. I taught he lost against Quartey but had him up against Whitaker. He loves proving people wrong. He's proven he not some punk pretty boy who can be broken. That fact that he's an ese only adds to it. Despite all that. I don't see Oscar winning. I'll be shocked if he did. De La Hoya has really only lost to 2 fighters. Bernard Hopkins and Shane Mosley. Hopkins was just to big and strong. Mosley was not. He was actually the smaller man. He beat Oscar cuz he was faster. Oscar had never been the slower fighter until he faced Mosley. Mosley's hand speed allowed him to get off first and last against Oscar. And that was was won Mosley the fight. Unfortunately for Oscar, Mayweather is even faster than Shane. And his defense is better. Oscar defense has always been good but never great. For every shot Oscar lands Floyd will land 3 or 4. Than there is the perception factor. Floyd needs to win for him to back up every thing he stands for. He can't afford to lose. Oscar can lose and still be okay. Floyd losing will be devastating to him. And he knows it. And he also knows his father will run his mouth and take credit for providing Oscar the blueprint to win. No way in hell Floyd wants to give him that pleasure. Floyd on points. He's in his prime right now. Oscar is not. And Floyd can't afford to lose.

I wont debate this, I won't say I'm right, your wrong. I'll only say 1 thing.

ODLH via TKO. 8)

CC, Wack,excellent analysis. I agree with LG though,althought the size of the ring is not the be all and end all,it WILL be a big factor,the bigger the ring,the harder it's going to be for Oscar to cut it down.

Also,PBF jab used to be much much better,he does not use it much anymore though but I think that would be a big weapon against OSCAR,I don't think Oscar is good at handling jabs because he doens't really use his head and his arms are wide apart enough fot eh jab to land consistently,watch the Sturm fight,Felix landed jab after jab.

The number 1 factor for me is Oscar's inactivity..to fight PBF,you have to be sharp,you have to be fresh and you have to be motivated. Oscar is motivated,but he has had a prolonged period of inactivity,it's not his first long period out and they WILL catch up to him somewhere.

And his last fight against Mayorga was propoganda,it was to show the audience that the Goldenboy is back,back to his best etc etc. It answered absolutely NOTHING about his stamina,it just showed he could bang. He chose Mayorga for a reason and that was to look good and he clocked by Ricardo a few times too.

Floyd moving up in weight will have a slight effect on his speed but he will still be much faster. The Reyes gloves may have a bearing but it depends on how Floyd fights. The biggest guy he has fought thus far, Baldo,he employed potshot and run tactics,if he does that again,Oscar will NOT catch him.

However,I expect and hope for a better performance than that. It all depends on how great the speed differnce is and we'll only find out in the ring I guess.

I personally think Floyd will win and it would be dissappointing if he does not.He's younger faster fresher,Oscar's inactivity,rust,stamina questions and he is getting older all add up.However,it may be close and I have a feeling that there will be rematch,I mean 2 "businessmen",possibly the highest $$$ generating fight in boxing history,it has rematch stamped all over it!

At this point in time Im favouring PBF. Oscar is coming off a second lengthy lay off and though impressive against Mayorga, PBF is a whole different ball game. I can see Floyd picking off Oscar and an aged Oscar struggling to connect all night. Floyd has the speed, the youth and the savvy to put that paycheck in the bag...

I'll start out my preview by looking at a couple different myths that exist regarding this fight.

The biggest myth entering this fight is the supposed huge advantage of size and power enjoyed by De La Hoya.
1. Many people are forgetting that DLH started his career at roughly the same weight as Mayweather. DLH started out fighting at ~133, before dropping down to 130 to win his first title at junior lightweight, which is the same weight class at which Mayweather won his first title. DLH made stops at 135-140-147, just like Mayweather has done.
2. DLH does not enjoy a significant natural size advantage. DLH is not a very big boned fighter in his own right. While he has fought at 160, 154 is really the highest class that he could fight naturally in. Also, if you look at the tale of the tapes for DLH and Mayweather, you would see that the differences are not substantial, any advantages are rather small, and in fact their reaches are equal at 72".
3. DLH is an overrated puncher. There, I said it. DLH has never been a lethal puncher above 140 pounds. This is a fact. With the exception of Vargas (who despite being tremendously brave, has a very suspect chin), DLH has not shown the ability to hurt elite fighters at either 147 or 154. Even his TKO of Vargas was the result of 10+ rounds of working the body and breaking Vargas down. His performance against Mayorga was very impressive, however Mayorga was coming off a performance where he had eaten about 500 power shots from Tito and was damaged goods IMO.
Make no mistake about it, DLH will be the hardest puncher that Mayweather has ever faced, but he is not an explosive puncher.

Another myth is that DLH is washed up or rusty.
I don't see this at all. DLH is 33, and while he has certainly been in tons of big fights, he hasn't been in a huge amount of "wars," the kinds of fights that take something out of a fighter that never returns. He hasn't absorbed a huge amount of punishment, and therefore he is fresher than many 33 year old fighters. Also, I think his inactivity over the last several years may have actually kept him fresh. He hasn't been beaten down by numerous tough fights over the last few years. Also, DLH has always shown the ability to be sharp despite long layoffs. He had not fought in over 400 days when he faced Vargas, and he turned in one of his best performances. He had been off for 20 months when he fought Mayorga, and looked great from the opening bell. This fight will not be won by the younger fighter or the fresher fighter, it will be about who is the better fighter.

Boxing fans love to talk about power, and they love to talk about size and weight, but boxing is about one thing above everything else: speed. Always has been, always will be. Mayweather is the fastest fighter on the planet, no one will dispute this.
I think a key for him is to not come in too heavy for this fight. There's always a chance that weight can slow down a fighter. I think Floyd is smart enough to know that just because the limit is 154, that doesn't mean he HAS to come in at 154. If 150 is the weight he feels best at, then that's the weight he should fight at. If he wins, he's going to win because of speed and movement, so whatever weight allows him to be his fastest is the weight he should fight at.

Bottom line:
I've said for years that there are only three ways that Mayweather will lose a fight.
1. He gets old and loses his speed and reflexes: He'll only be 30 on fight night, this doesn't apply yet.
2. He moves up too far in weight and gets caught by one punch from an enormous puncher: As I already explained, DLH is not a dynamic puncher at this weight, I don't believe he has the power to beat Mayweather with 1 or 2 shots.
3. He gets in the ring with an exceptionally tall and long fighter who can swarm him, similar to what Forrest did to Mosley: DLH doesn't fit this profile either, he isn't significantly bigger than Mayweather and their reaches are equal.

I like Mayweather by a unanimous, but relatively close decision. 116-112 was my initial prediction, and I'm sticking with it. Mayweather is too fast and he will land consistently enough to win the majority of the rounds. DLH will always be in the fight, but I don't think he has the power to turn the tide of the fight with one punch.

I don't believe ODLH can catch PBF cleanly enough to hurt him.

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I'll start out my preview by looking at a couple different myths that exist regarding this fight.

The biggest myth entering this fight is the supposed huge advantage of size and power enjoyed by De La Hoya.
1. Many people are forgetting that DLH started his career at roughly the same weight as Mayweather. DLH started out fighting at ~133, before dropping down to 130 to win his first title at junior lightweight, which is the same weight class at which Mayweather won his first title. DLH made stops at 135-140-147, just like Mayweather has done.
2. DLH does not enjoy a significant natural size advantage. DLH is not a very big boned fighter in his own right. While he has fought at 160, 154 is really the highest class that he could fight naturally in. Also, if you look at the tale of the tapes for DLH and Mayweather, you would see that the differences are not substantial, any advantages are rather small, and in fact their reaches are equal at 72".
3. DLH is an overrated puncher. There, I said it. DLH has never been a lethal puncher above 140 pounds. This is a fact. With the exception of Vargas (who despite being tremendously brave, has a very suspect chin), DLH has not shown the ability to hurt elite fighters at either 147 or 154. Even his TKO of Vargas was the result of 10+ rounds of working the body and breaking Vargas down. His performance against Mayorga was very impressive, however Mayorga was coming off a performance where he had eaten about 500 power shots from Tito and was damaged goods IMO.
Make no mistake about it, DLH will be the hardest puncher that Mayweather has ever faced, but he is not an explosive puncher.

Another myth is that DLH is washed up or rusty.
I don't see this at all. DLH is 33, and while he has certainly been in tons of big fights, he hasn't been in a huge amount of "wars," the kinds of fights that take something out of a fighter that never returns. He hasn't absorbed a huge amount of punishment, and therefore he is fresher than many 33 year old fighters. Also, I think his inactivity over the last several years may have actually kept him fresh. He hasn't been beaten down by numerous tough fights over the last few years. Also, DLH has always shown the ability to be sharp despite long layoffs. He had not fought in over 400 days when he faced Vargas, and he turned in one of his best performances. He had been off for 20 months when he fought Mayorga, and looked great from the opening bell. This fight will not be won by the younger fighter or the fresher fighter, it will be about who is the better fighter.

Boxing fans love to talk about power, and they love to talk about size and weight, but boxing is about one thing above everything else: speed. Always has been, always will be. Mayweather is the fastest fighter on the planet, no one will dispute this.
I think a key for him is to not come in too heavy for this fight. There's always a chance that weight can slow down a fighter. I think Floyd is smart enough to know that just because the limit is 154, that doesn't mean he HAS to come in at 154. If 150 is the weight he feels best at, then that's the weight he should fight at. If he wins, he's going to win because of speed and movement, so whatever weight allows him to be his fastest is the weight he should fight at.

Bottom line:
I've said for years that there are only three ways that Mayweather will lose a fight.
1. He gets old and loses his speed and reflexes: He'll only be 30 on fight night, this doesn't apply yet.
2. He moves up too far in weight and gets caught by one punch from an enormous puncher: As I already explained, DLH is not a dynamic puncher at this weight, I don't believe he has the power to beat Mayweather with 1 or 2 shots.
3. He gets in the ring with an exceptionally tall and long fighter who can swarm him, similar to what Forrest did to Mosley: DLH doesn't fit this profile either, he isn't significantly bigger than Mayweather and their reaches are equal.

I like Mayweather by a unanimous, but relatively close decision. 116-112 was my initial prediction, and I'm sticking with it. Mayweather is too fast and he will land consistently enough to win the majority of the rounds. DLH will always be in the fight, but I don't think he has the power to turn the tide of the fight with one punch.

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I wouldn’t go as far as to call them myths.. Oscar is 5"11 and has grown into that body pretty well. but he is no world beater . Mayweather is technically superior, and if Floyd can keep his speed as he moves up he should be able to do what he do, and that is win. . can Oscar catch him ? and if he does can he win the battle? Mayweather is not just some punk , he prefers to move and not get hit, but back him into a corner and he can put some punches together, can his hands hold up? a little Novocain in between them knuckles will do the trick . the more I think about it, I favor Mayweather,

Oscar was beat by Strum unofficial . I thought Ike Quartey beat him , and I thought Pete beat him and Pete was 33 years old Whitaker put on a jabbing clinic and used his elusive style to confuse and frustrate De La Hoya . Oscar was never able to land any of his big punches or hurt Whitaker in the fight. Whitaker landed 232 out of 582. De La Hoya landed 191 out of 557. Whitaker out jabbed De La Hoya 160-45., also Trinidad got him, and Shane Mosley got him twice. anyone with excellent movement and foot speed gives Oscar problems. Floyd is the best pure boxer outta any of those mentioned above . I don't see how an aged Delyhoya is going to be able to put the brakes on Floyd Mayweather all of a sudden ?

My official prediction : Floyd W 12 Unanimous Decision O0

The only factor that worries me about Oscar is ringrust but otherwise Oscar beats Floyd in all aspects of the sport. I can see ODLH hurting Floyd and winning via a UD or stoppage.

I hate to disagree with everything that everyone is posting...but I gotta be that guy.

Ring rust aint going to be as big a factor as some might think. Trust me...it crossed me mind too...hence the reason that I brought it up...but this is Oscar. He's probably working his ass off right now...he'll come in with little to none if it's even there.

Also...there is a size advantage in Oscar's favor. SOrry...but there is. I don't care where he started at...there's many years of honing ones skills at a higher weight & Floyd coming in at a career heavy first of 150-154...that's an advantage to the naturally heavier guy.

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I hate to disagree with everything that everyone is posting...but I gotta be that guy.

Ring rust aint going to be as big a factor as some might think. Trust me...it crossed me mind too...hence the reason that I brought it up...but this is Oscar. He's probably working his a** off right now...he'll come in with little to none if it's even there.

Also...there is a size advantage in Oscar's favor. SOrry...but there is. I don't care where he started at...there's many years of honing ones skills at a higher weight & Floyd coming in at a career heavy first of 150-154...that's an advantage to the naturally heavier guy.

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I usually root for the smaller guy/or the underdog but this time I'm rootin for the bigger guy to humble Floyd. :)
Definitely there is a huge disparity in size/power and that will play the biggest factor in favor of Oscar.

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I hate to disagree with everything that everyone is posting...but I gotta be that guy.

Ring rust aint going to be as big a factor as some might think. Trust me...it crossed me mind too...hence the reason that I brought it up...but this is Oscar. He's probably working his a** off right now...he'll come in with little to none if it's even there.

Also...there is a size advantage in Oscar's favor. SOrry...but there is. I don't care where he started at...there's many years of honing ones skills at a higher weight & Floyd coming in at a career heavy first of 150-154...that's an advantage to the naturally heavier guy.

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I usually root for the smaller guy/or the underdog but this time I'm rootin for the bigger guy to humble Floyd. :)
Definitely there is a huge disparity in size/power and that will play the biggest factor in favor of Oscar.

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Agreed...I hate this fight has actually come off...but I really really am curious to see the outcome.

I just can't see Floyd beating Oscar...it's just a tuff call for me...then again...IWO...Floyd is the most accomplished fighter of the last 10 years, skill wise.

Truly...I want to be at this fight & I am steady working it out!

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I hate to disagree with everything that everyone is posting...but I gotta be that guy.

Ring rust aint going to be as big a factor as some might think. Trust me...it crossed me mind too...hence the reason that I brought it up...but this is Oscar. He's probably working his a** off right now...he'll come in with little to none if it's even there.

Also...there is a size advantage in Oscar's favor. SOrry...but there is. I don't care where he started at...there's many years of honing ones skills at a higher weight & Floyd coming in at a career heavy first of 150-154...that's an advantage to the naturally heavier guy.

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I usually root for the smaller guy/or the underdog but this time I'm rootin for the bigger guy to humble Floyd. :)
Definitely there is a huge disparity in size/power and that will play the biggest factor in favor of Oscar.

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Agreed...I hate this fight has actually come off...but I really really am curious to see the outcome.

I just can't see Floyd beating Oscar...it's just a tuff call for me...then again...IWO...Floyd is the most accomplished fighter of the last 10 years, skill wise.

Truly...I want to be at this fight & I am steady working it out!

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Wow!!! Get us some pics when you're there. It might also be a blessing in disguise for Floyd if he beats Oscar he'll shut up lot's of haters like me ;D

why does everybody keep insisting Oscar is going to win ... u know how stupid ur going to feel come may 5?

if mayweather loses it'll be like Tyson-Douglas or Traver Jones but i don't see that happening for mayweather

this time around Tyson lost because he didn't work out.... Jones lost cuz his ass got old and couldn't take a punch no more (review his fights and he got hit with alot harder punches than what Traver hit him with) but mayweather is still in his verypeak prime and de lahoya in his prime couldn't beat mayweather hos is he now?

If PBF loses,I'll be shocked and there were great points made by sweetpea

"DLH is an overrated puncher. There, I said it. DLH has never been a lethal puncher above 140 pounds. This is a fact. With the exception of Vargas (who despite being tremendously brave, has a very suspect chin), DLH has not shown the ability to hurt elite fighters at either 147 or 154. Even his TKO of Vargas was the result of 10+ rounds of working the body and breaking Vargas down. His performance against Mayorga was very impressive, however Mayorga was coming off a performance where he had eaten about 500 power shots from Tito and was damaged goods IMO.
Make no mistake about it, DLH will be the hardest puncher that Mayweather has ever faced, but he is not an explosive puncher."

TOTALLY agree and you could argue Tito ruined Vargas too.

and this point from LG:

Oscar was beat by Strum unofficial . I thought Ike Quartey beat him , and I thought Pete beat him and Pete was 33 years old Whitaker put on a jabbing clinic and used his elusive style to confuse and frustrate De La Hoya . Oscar was never able to land any of his big punches or hurt Whitaker in the fight. Whitaker landed 232 out of 582. De La Hoya landed 191 out of 557. Whitaker out jabbed De La Hoya 160-45., also Trinidad got him, and Shane Mosley got him twice. anyone with excellent movement and foot speed gives Oscar problems. Floyd is the best pure boxer outta any of those mentioned above . I don't see how an aged Delyhoya is going to be able to put the brakes on Floyd Mayweather all of a sudden ?

My official prediction : Floyd W 12 Unanimous Decision Afro

TOTALLY agree there too(apart from the Ike fight). and PBF is at least in speed and athleticism better than thaose guys and Oscar is not as good as he was then.And I agree with your prediction too.If Oscar wins this,it'll be a big shock to me but I'll be cheering him on.

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Nobody wants to see Floyd win for the most part...except his die hard fans...myself...I'm a huge fan of both. I would love to see Floyd win...but I just don't know that he can against Oscar.

There is more to Oscar than just size.

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this time around Tyson lost because he didn't work out.... Jones lost cuz his a** got old and couldn't take a punch no more (review his fights and he got hit with alot harder punches than what Traver hit him with) but mayweather is still in his verypeak prime and de lahoya in his prime couldn't beat mayweather hos is he now?

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You think that a Prime Oscar couldn't beat Floyd...I gotta disagree...100%.

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I've said for years that there are only three ways that Mayweather will lose a fight.
1. He gets old and loses his speed and reflexes: He'll only be 30 on fight night, this doesn't apply yet.
2. He moves up too far in weight and gets caught by one punch from an enormous puncher: As I already explained, DLH is not a dynamic puncher at this weight, I don't believe he has the power to beat Mayweather with 1 or 2 shots.3. He gets in the ring with an exceptionally tall and long fighter who can swarm him, similar to what Forrest did to Mosley: DLH doesn't fit this profile either, he isn't significantly bigger than Mayweather and their reaches are equal.

I like Mayweather by a unanimous, but relatively close decision. 116-112 was my initial prediction, and I'm sticking with it. Mayweather is too fast and he will land consistently enough to win the majority of the rounds. DLH will always be in the fight, but I don't think he has the power to turn the tide of the fight with one punch.

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I'd love for Mayweather to pull out on the stops & put on a boxing clinic...but Oscar's just as capable of doing such himself.

The thing is...while you say Oscar is not a dynamic puncher...he is an accumulative puncher. If he catches Floyd in a flurry of shots...there is no telling how Floyd will handle this.

Again...believe you me...I want Floyd to win...I just think that there is enough of the old Oscar left to do so.

He'll come in comfortably & prepared & he won't underestimate Floyd like he did Sturm & Floyd doesn't have the one punch power to hurt Oscar like Hopkins did.

Oh...& :coolclick: for the points SweetPea. ;)

the funny thing about all this is I would like to see Oscar to win this match ! hehe me and the Wackster are in reverse on predictions ! ;)

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the funny thing about all this is I would like to see Oscar to win this match ! hehe me and the Wackster are in reverse on predictions ! ;)

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Now I know you all want me to make a pick...ready to be shocked?

Oscar De La Hoya by late round TKO.

Gotdam right. ;D

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the funny thing about all this is I would like to see Oscar to win this match ! hehe me and the Wackster are in reverse on predictions ! ;)

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Now I know you all want me to make a pick...ready to be shocked?

Oscar De La Hoya by late round TKO.

Gotdam right. ;D

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the funny thing about all this is I would like to see Oscar to win this match ! hehe me and the Wackster are in reverse on predictions ! ;)

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Now I know you all want me to make a pick...ready to be shocked?

Oscar De La Hoya by late round TKO.

Gotdam right. ;D

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yeah but My official prediction : Floyd W 12 Unanimous Decision

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Let's both just sell out & do a 50/50 split on both...how bout that? ;D

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Now I know you all want me to make a pick...ready to be shocked?

Oscar De La Hoya by late round TKO.

Gotdam right. ;D

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yeah but My official prediction : Floyd W 12 Unanimous Decision

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Let's both just sell out & do a 50/50 split on both...how bout that? ;D

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Works for me !! hehe :)

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why does everybody keep insisting Oscar is going to win ... u know how stupid ur going to feel come may 5?

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There is more to Oscar than just size.

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this time around Tyson lost because he didn't work out.... Jones lost cuz his a** got old and couldn't take a punch no more (review his fights and he got hit with alot harder punches than what Traver hit him with) but mayweather is still in his verypeak prime and de lahoya in his prime couldn't beat mayweather hos is he now?

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You think that a Prime Oscar couldn't beat Floyd...I gotta disagree...100%.

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thasa nice job u did disecting my post so les agree to disagree and see what happens may 5th

Good post and nice breakdown exept for one thing. Floyd has been buzzed by Corley and Judah but he defends very well and his conditioning allows him to recover quickly and get back in control. I would think DLH's best chance is to land some body shots. DLH is not as fast as he once was and his inactivity had him looking a bit stiff against Mayorga but he seems stronger now than ever. I just can't put too much stock in DLH's last fight cause when Tito did that to Mayorga it was fools gold and we all know what happened next. CC for your time and effort putting that together. #2554 WOW!!

im going to say dlh will be too big for floyd, floyd will be quick in avoiding dlh punches after he gets hit with a few bombs resulting in him retreting for the rest of the fight

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Good post and nice breakdown exept for one thing. Floyd has been buzzed by Corley and Judah but he defends very well and his conditioning allows him to recover quickly and get back in control. I would think DLH's best chance is to land some body shots. DLH is not as fast as he once was and his inactivity had him looking a bit stiff against Mayorga but he seems stronger now than ever. I just can't put too much stock in DLH's last fight cause when Tito did that to Mayorga it was fools gold and we all know what happened next. CC for your time and effort putting that together. #2554 WOW!!

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Thanks for the props, babe. :coolclick: right back.

I remember Corley stinging Floyd...but not Judah. Guess I'll have to watch that one again.

Floyd's defense is insane...seriously. Think about what we are saying & talking about...a guy that has gone through almost 40 fights & not been seriously hurt or dropped & he's fought some seriuos opponents in his time.

I agree with the Mayorga peformance...as amazing as it was...Mayorga is there to be hammered. Especially, YES, after what Tito did to him also.

I cannot wait for this fight, and either way as long as the victory is clear cut, the face of boxing will change, surely for the better. It The fact it's at 154 and Floyd will be wearing Reyes makes for a few variables that make the outcome of the fight almost impossible to predict. All I can say is full credit to Floyd Mayweather for taking on this opportunity to become everything he said he would, and as he likes to say "Making smart business decisions, for the sake of my legacy,". Hopefully all who said Mayweather is a bitch for not taking Margarito on can eat their words (I had my helping of alphabet soup) becuase all roads led to this megafight.

De La Hoya needs to have Floyd Snr in his corner to win this fight IMO, he's a masterful tactician, and he will help Oscar with his timing, that is the key to landing on Floyd Mayweather. I think Oscar will have to go to the body early to make a dent in floyd, slow him down, and make him worry about the body, then later on in the fight can really start thinking about that left hook. Floyd is so fast but obviously is relatively weak on the power front, but with that accuracy, any open ness in Oscar will be punished with 3-4 accurate hurtful shots, Oscar can't get out of shape, but he must pressure, keep floyd on the back foot, and he's got to hit something with every punch, even if its his shoulder, elbow, anything. I'm not making predictions, because I can't commit to one decision. I'm just going to sit back, and enjoy, I just hope afterwards we know who the better fighter is. I'm leaning towards a De La Hoya knockout one day, the a Floyd UD the next. I can't pick, and I sure as hell can't wait.

Great Analysis Wacko as usual :coolclick: yeeeahhh boy!