Got asked this down the boozer over x-mass so I thought I would throw the question out to everyone.
Take the term "greatest" any way you want.
I would say Lennox Lewis acheved the most but dont know if that makes him the best boxer or not?
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Got asked this down the boozer over x-mass so I thought I would throw the question out to everyone.
Take the term "greatest" any way you want.
I would say Lennox Lewis acheved the most but dont know if that makes him the best boxer or not?
umm its tough one
jimmy wilde randolph turpin lennox lewis nigel benn ken buchanan its really toss up mate i cant decide
Jimmy wilde hands down;
Calzaghe and hatton still have enough time and talent to stake a claim, but who they fight in the next few years will depend.
it would have to be lewis. he achieved the most and beat the best competition. but i dunno if i personally would regard him as british cos he's too much of a mongral from all over the place. didn't he represent canada in the olympics? and i thought he grew up mostly in the states cos he played american football? most of the british public never really considered him british either in my opinion cos they never got behind him the way they did for bruno who we all considered properly british.
Jack Kid Berg has to be up there fought the best the first man to beat Kid Chocalate he boxed the best.
Isnt Prince Naseem British??
LENNOX LEWIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lennox Lewis for sure.
He beat Tyson & Holyfield and Bowe ran away...
Plus he headlined many a big showdown in vegas - which is something a lot of guys thus so far are aiming to achieve.
I believe only retired fighters can be considered in this thread - as Hatton & Calzaghe etc are still fighting and we dont know how far they will go until the end.
Agreed, Jimmy Wilde hands down. Calzaghe has left it too late now, he should of fort the cream opposition instead of Bika and Manfredo, and he aiming for a few more before hes mentioned with that calibre.Quote:
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All correct . It is definately Lennox Lewis without a doubt !Quote:
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Jimmy Wilde has a vastly superior record to Lennox. He is still regarded as the finest flyweight of all time.
Lennox was very very good, so were Berg, Turpin, Benn etc. I also thought Honeyghan was inspired against Curry (but he was never able to perform at that level consistently - maybe a bit like Calzaghe?)
Bratain has been producing boxers for some time - what about James Figg, Daniel Mendoza or Tom Cribb (for those with unbelievably long memories)
X tell me that again
I'd go with Wilde, Buchanan and Lewis as top 3
Honeyghan's win over Curry and Turpin's win over SRR are the 2 best wins imo
Definitely Jimmy Wilde.
The next is a toss up between Ken Buchanan & Lennox Lewis.
lewis is canadian
calzaghe?
Although Calzaghe didnt really achieve a great deal in fighting names, he did prove his worth by being so dominant for so long. I think if he was the same weight/size as the others he has the ability to beat anyone.
Lewis fought some names but didnt really have a dominant period where he was thought of as unbeatable. He got KO'd by McCall as he was coming up, then got gifted a decision against Mercer, he cryed about the first Holyfield result but the remtch was a robbery against Holyfield! Then he gets knocked out by Rahman. His best win was as he slupmed in to his stool exhausted against Vitali.
Trick question. There's no such country as "Britian."
You have to factor in the Achievements of people before out time like the forefather of British boxing
Jem Mace
http://i11.tinypic.com/4bemop3.jpg
and
Ted Kid Lewis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyQ80TojX0w
Jimmy Wilde
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf2uTy9Os6c
Benny Lynch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwJs4V-TErg&feature=related
Randy Turpin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVCAdRRIHtA
more recent greats John Conteh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqvIhyrI_dU
and Ken Buchannan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfVKFjbZLGE
No there isnt but the question that titles this thread is "Who do you regard as Britian's greatest ever boxer?"Quote:
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*Britain*
:-\ Right. B-R-I-T-I-A-N. No such place, no such boxer.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossNo there isnt but the question that titles this thread is "Who do you regard as Britian's greatest ever boxer?"Quote:
Originally Posted by shza
Dick head!
Britain is the same as Asia! There is no country called Asia but Pacquiao would be the best boxer from asia
The name of the thread, which you quoted, mispelled the word. It transposed the I and the A. That was the joke, which becomes less and less funny the more it has to be explained to a retard like you. Get it now, dumbass?Quote:
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Understood that Pacquiao would be the best boxer from Asia. But who would be the best boxer from Asai?
Fuck knows what your on about now dopey. :pQuote:
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Henry Cooper should get a mention,great fighter with grea heart.
He was a good fighter but he didnt achieve a great deal and is only really known for decking Ali then getting stopped. His management actually adimitted that if they saw Sonny Liston theyd cross the road!
Thats hardly in the same league as Ted Lewis moving up to light heavy or even Hatton moving up to take on Floyd.
Come on guys ..... Henry Cooper was a good fighter and was much loved in Britain .... but he was a European level guy. He didnt really ever come close to a world title and the true world class guys he fought all beat him handily. No disrespect to Henry, but he sort of agreed in his autobiography after Floyd Patterson sparko'd him.
Bruuuuuuuuuuunooooooooooooooo!
As good as Cooper was he was knocked out by world class fighters like Ingemar Johansson.
I have read about Jimmy Wilde, and Tyson loved Jack kid Berg, and Ted Lewis.
Of modern times I would say Buchannan and Galzaghe should get a mention, but that is all.
Id like to say Eubank too as I believe he could compete and make a tough fight for anyone but Benn not necessarily did more on the world stage in regards to challenging for titles and "names" but got wider recognition.
If Henry Cooper deserves a mention then so does Dave Charnley. Very underrated by the boxing world. R.I.P.
Dave Charnley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Lennox is the p4p of all time for the uk. No fighter from the uk in their prime would have beaten him.
Ken Buchanan , watch this guy in his prime , pure quality boxing
skills, P4P best Bitish fighter.
Lennox Lewis.
Then so would Len Harvey; has to be in the top 6.Quote:
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Len Harvey (11 July 1907 – 28 November 1976) was a boxer born in Stoke Climsland, Cornwall. A great tactician and defensive boxer who boxed at every weight division of his day. He began boxing at the very young age of 12 and boxed to he was 36. He was British champion at three weights, middleweight, light-heavy and heavyweight. He also held the British Empire championship at light-heavy and heavyweight as well as being recognised as world light-heavyweight champion in Britain from 1939–1942.
Early career
Len Harvey started out as a flyweight at 12. By the time he was 18 he was ready to fight for the British welterweight title. He was held to a draw though by Harry Mason on 29 April 1926. His next British title shot came 2 years later on 16 May 1929. This time at middleweight against Alex Ireland. Harvey knocked out his opponent in the seventh round to become British champion. He made six defences between 1929 and 1933. He also fought Marcel Thil of France for the world middleweight championship. He lost on points in a close decision.
On 10 April 1933, he defended his title against Jock McAvoy. This ended in defeat for Harvey but two months later he was in the ring again challenging Eddie Phillips and won on points to become British Light Heavyweight champion. On 30 November that year he beat the then unbeaten Jack Petersen to become the British Heavyweight champion. He then went on to beat Canada's Larry Gains to become British Empire champion, but lost both titles in a rematch with Petersen being stopped in the 12th round on cuts. Harvey then went on to fight for the world title on 9 November 1936, but was beaten on points by John Henry Lewis. He then regained the British Heavyweight title by disqualification against old foe Eddie Phillips. In 1938 John Henry Lewis retired after developing eye problems, Harvey was then matched with another old foe Jock McAvoy for British recognition of the world championship at Harringay Arena. This time he won on points on 10 July 1939.
Later career and death
During World War II Harvey joined the Royal Air Force. By this time he was a national sporting idol and was given an officer rank. During this time he was persuaded to defend his titles against Freddie Mills on 20 June 1942. By this time Harvey was a veteran of over a hundred bouts and was 35 years old. He was knocked out in two rounds the only second time he was stopped and first by K.O. He retired after this bout, he had an official record of 133 fights, 111 wins, 9 draws and 13 defeats. He claimed to have had 418 but they probably including booth fights. His three fights with Jock McAvoy were legendary where he won two and lost one, he later died in London on 28 November 1976. Such was his legend that he was inducted into the Boxing Hall of Fame in 2008.
People keep mentioning Lennox Lewis.. He's not a true Brit so you guys can't claim him.. smh That's pretty sad if you have to pick a multi-cultural guy as your best..
Eubank is the best and Kevin Mitchell could be on his way if he keeps his head right..
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I don't go as far back as Jimmy Wilde I must admit; but saying that, and assuming Lenox wouldn't qualify, I think Eubanks is as good a shout as any other British fighter of the last couple decades at least. Honeyghan was definetly more talented imo but for whatever reason that was only evident in a couple of fights. I think both Hatton and Calzaghe are relatively overrated in recent years, or perhaps just on this forum.Quote:
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Who are you to say he is not a true Brit. Lennox Lewis was born in britain in a British hospital and raised here until he was 12. He then chose as an Adult to come back and represent his birthland as a professional. He recaimed his rightful place as a Brit so there is no argument you can forward to prove otherwise. Also there is nothing sad about picking a multi-cultural guy as our own. We have always been a multi-cultural country.It is the essence of Britain. The Jews have been here since the 12th century followed by the Italians and people from all over Europe and then the Chinese, West Indians,etc for hundreds of years.There is evidence of a significant Black population in Britain going back to the times of the Romans. Eubank while a classy boxer is eclipsed by many British boxers, so when it comes to British boxing, you can button it Finito.;)Quote:
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Originally Posted by GreenbeanzWho are you to say he is not a true Brit. Lennox Lewis was born in britain in a British hospital and raised here until he was 12. He then chose as an Adult to come back and represent his birthland as a professional. He recaimed his rightful place as a Brit so there is no argument you can forward to prove otherwise. Also there is nothing sad about picking a multi-cultural guy as our own. We have always been a multi-cultural country.It is the essence of Britain. The Jews have been here since the 12th century followed by the Italians and people from all over Europe and then the Chinese, West Indians,etc for hundreds of years.There is evidence of a significant Black population in Britain going back to the times of the Romans. Eubank while a classy boxer is eclipsed by many British boxers, so when it comes to British boxing, you can button it Finito.;)Quote:
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I do feel Eubank has the ability on his day to beat anyone. However, Calzaghe is more consistant and not only was he an awkward southpaw he had an amazing workrate that not many would keep up with.
Lewis is not the best. As I said, he struggled and got KO'd against mediocre fighters while he was supposedly at the top. Also, he was never thought of as unbeatable by anyone whereas with Calzaghe you had to think who was out there that could trouble him. There was talk of Pavlik and then Hopkins just pisses all over him and then Dawson who Pascal made look stupid;D