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After Sam Peter ko's Oleg, he will meet Dr. Steel Hammer in a rematch and this time Klit will not be able to be a Killer Robot. Peter too big and now too skilled and motivated.............yes I said too "skilled." The rematch requires a careful breakdown.
BTW,Toney's comments after the fight suggest the possibilty of some brain damage. Talk about disrespect. Peter, on the other hand, was a breath of fresh ait in this era of trash talk.
I don't have time for a full breakdown, but here's some food for thought. Peter figured out how to use his reach against a much shorter Toney. He controlled distance with his jab all night. He alternated between pawing with it and throwing for damage. Against Wlad, he will be at a reach disadvantage to a fighter with a very good jab. He showed against Toney that be can box from the outside and throw some combos. We'll need to see how he'll react to someone with a long ja. He needs to fight inside to win, the opposite of what he needed to do against Toney.
If Peter tries to fight on the outside vs Wlad he's just going to eat those big 1-2's the whole fight. I see a rematch unfolding in much the same manner as the first fight only this time without Wladimir getting knocked down.
I think Wladimir has a ton of confidence going in to a rematch with Peter he had Sam hurt BAD and I think he'd do it again only earlier.
Wlad stops Sam in 10....stuns him with a left hook and follows up with big punches
I also see the uppercut being extremely useful when Sam tries to get on the inside
i think sam will have alot of confidence aswell if he beats oleg then thats two good wins toney and oleg its 50-50 fight because with peters punching power and wlads chin you just never knowQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
....people forget how dominant Wlad was in that win over Sam Peter....yeah he was knocked down 3 times....but who gets knocked down 3 times only to win by over 3 rounds!!!
I'm saying Wlad will be not only confident in his skill but confident with his skill vs Sam Peter, whereas, Sam Peter will be confident with his skill but less confident vs Wladimir....he threw everything at Wlad and couldn't stop him.
I see Wlad and Manny putting together a game plan that totally dwarfs any improvement Sam Peter has made
If peter can outbox toney, he can take wlad.
Peter is no Brock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I totally agree.This time I think the referee would be more concious of the punches behind the head that Peter likes to throw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Wladimir is much harder puncher than Toney, has a bigger reach than Toney and has a win over Peter already.Wladimir would have destroyed Toney if he had been in Peter's place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Punisher136
He was in no way dominant.. And Peter was in no way as good as he fought last night. Wlad won every round that he wasn't dropped in, you could call that dominant... But the way I see it, he fought a very limited guy and every time he took a good shot he was knocked down... I would favour Wlad in a rematch as well, you have a point that he did discover late that he could hurt PEter... But then again will he really try and do so while Peter still has his stamina?? THat gives SAm a chance to lower the boom on Wlad.. If anything I think Klitschko will try and fight the same way, and he has a good chance of winning doing so, but Peter has definetly picked up a few tricks and it will be interesting to see if he can use them against Wlad. This rematch definetly has to happen now, it's the only fight worth a god damn at HW imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
It well be so. I see Wlad winning but I will break it down as a separate articleQuote:
Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
Peter has vastly improved....but so has Wlad. SAtyles make fights and Peter's is perfect for Wlad.
what was jt's game plan? It was hard to see what he wanted to do.
Seemed random - was he going for KO or points? I dont get it.
Naw, he is just done. Wshed up. Over.
He wasn't that dominate. He was more unsure of himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
He only started coming on at the 8th round.
Things might be a bit different this time...Peter blocked, boxed, & gave Toney hell last night...& unless I just missed it on another thread...I've still heard you give him zero credit for it.
Peter fights Wlad in a rematch...things might be a bit different this go round.
indeed they might
No I haven't given him credit for it.....whoopty do....impressive but it's only impressive because this time he did what he was supposed to.Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
I don't think Sam Peter will beat Wladimir...he'll flat out crush Oleg if he fights him the way he just fought Toney but then again people forget how inconsistant this division can be.
I still, no matter how good Sam Peter is....don't think he'll beat Wladimir.
Wlad is an oddity, clearly the most skilled fighter in the dividion but he has trouble with two things...1) if someone else dictates the pace of the fight 2) a fighter that can take a good punch...
Ross Purity forced Wlad to fight outside of a pace that Wlad could handle...Corrie Sanders bull rushed Wlad and Wlad could not deal....Brewster weathered the storm and started pressing Wlad and he folded...Williamson ran then pressed and Wlad had big trouble....
Manny has taught Wlad how to dictate the pace of a fight by fighting like Lennox....stay outside, quick combos...stay away or grab and be boring until your opening...The first time Wlad and Peter fought the pace was aweful and easily dictated by Wlad, but still Peter had his moments...
While both fighters are better since the 1st fight Peter is by far the more dramatically improved fighter ....Wlad will not be able to clutch and grab as in the first fight because Peter now knows how to fight, I like Peter but that's MO....Either way, this is by far the best fight that could be made in the heavyweight division.
He doesn't usually have trouble if the guy can take a good punch.....he has trouble if that guy can hit back hard.
Peter might have improved the most but he had the most to improve on
Great point. His margin for improvement was hugh. Stmina, movement, straightening punches, stayin in the middle of the ring and fighting "Tall." But by golly he did it to my amazement. If he can improve that much in a matter of months and lose 4 more pounds, he may become areal force to be reckoned with. Wlad has simply smoothed out his excecution of punishing jabs with a great follow up right. More importantly, he has more confidence under Steward, It would be a great fight. Too early to break it down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
.....being better can only help the division
Agreed..a potential "superfight"Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
A mega super fight. I'd travel to Germany for that one. But not Nigeria...with all due respect.
You are a bitter queen. God, I've never really noticed how badly you took the whole Peter Wladimir match. Hillarious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
"Nobody knocks my boy down three times!!!! Nobody."
Try to be a grown up about it Lyle...or try to look at it from a contenders point of view...in 29 fights he's won 4 titles, dropped the current number 1 heavyweight, and just defeated a hall of fame fighter.
Pretty good to be so raw & limited.
He is quickly closing the skills gap. Who in God's name is teaching him? That's one of the best kept secrets out there. That guy ought to get manager of theyear.
Trainer Pops Anderson
Manager Ivailo Gotzev
Props and kudos to both.
He did a good job.....there you go Wacko....you happy?Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
Sam Peter will beat every heavyweight out there right now EXCEPT Wladimir Klitschko
He still got hit by practically every right hand Toney threw and Toney is shorter and doesn't hit as hard as Wlad does.Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
The question is: Can Peter's granite jaw witthsatnd Wlad's jackhammer right?
it was the left hook that got him last time....worst I have ever seen Sam Peter....though James Toney hit him good in the first fight
Hhhmmm. That's right. I forgot that. As for Toney, he couldn't make the Nightmare blink this time. As a former fighter, ther is nothing worse than knowing you are in with someone who can pop but who you can't hurt. Very spitit depleting and no 1000 bowls of wheaties will help.
...yeah I hate that, especially when you're a power puncher (which I am)
But then again James Toney has been a power puncher the majority of his career but he is a very talented boxer, I just think time caught up with him
power puncher or puncher boxer (like Sugar Shane)? I was a hooker and patterned my offensive style after my idol, Bob Satterfield. As for defense, I had good whiskers but cut like a seive andbled from the nose terribly.
I bleed from the nose a lot as well....I try to mix up my style to be part Lennox Lewis/Wlad Klitschko and part Mike Tyson.
I've got a good jab and power in the left hook and right cross...I don't cut off the ring very well but hey I'm still learning.
Holy shit! You are a monster. :o :o :o
Austin loses amd Klit waits for Peter to ice Maskiev. Then let's get it on.Meanwhile Briggs gets by Sultan and The Monster beats JM. The Monster then ices Briggs and waits fro the winner of Wlad-Peter. I like it! :lickish: :lickish:
On the contrary. Wlad already knows the damage Peter can do that's why he didn't try to finish when it seemed Peter was out on his feet. Wlad will go down again and this time for good. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
....no Wlad had a comfortable lead on the scorecards and had he hurt Sam that way in the 4th or so round Sam would have been dropped.
If Sam Peter can do so much damage how was it that Wlad was able to keep getting up???
Haha...well I'm only good for a solid 3 rounds until I am in better shape.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ted The Bull
Most of the guys I fight are smaller than me so I get to use my reach but on the taller guys I like keeping my head moving and fighting on the inside.
I've copied some pretty simple combinations from Wlad and Tyson. Wlad: jab, swat the guard down, right cross...and Tyson: left hook (body), right hook (body), left hook (head)....those both work great.