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Holding is a foul , which needs to be treated as a foul !
Holding is one of the most obvious poor tactics in the sport of boxing. It not only infuriates the fans, but it negates action during the bout. Add a tad bit of running to the mix and you got a real shit storm watch
Referees need to be on their A game and put holding to rest. Refs like Jay Nady are doing a great job, keeping the action going.. can you imagine watching Rachman -vs.- Maskaev with a different referee ? Those fighters would have been hugging each other to death in there. , and boring the shit out of the fan ~! However with Nady in there constantly reminding the two not to hold, and issuing warnings , the match turned out to be one of the best HW watches in recent years !
Fighters who are known to use holding as strategy need to be dealt with fast. , right from the gate they need to be warned.. You have Tall opponent who uses the referee over and over again in order to get their desired distance , without working for it.. ,a short fighter is at a huge disadvantage when this happens.. The short fighter has to work hard to get their desired distance, they deserve the opportunity when they get it , to fight on the inside.. Its up to the tall fighter to box his way out of there. Not to clinch and simply have the ref give him his distance back.. Think about it. Its unfair. Its not an even platform when that is allowed over and over again.. People need to understand that holding is a huge foul in boxing. Referees need to understand this.. And the boxing organizations need to encourage point deductions when this happens repeatedly , just as if it were a low blow.
Fighters using Holding as a strategy is killing the sport of boxing . O0
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Re: Holding is a foul , which needs to be treated as a foul !
I can understand that, but some of it is legal. What should be illegal I think is reaching out to grab someone right after you get your offense off. Like throwing two punches and then reaching out and grabbing a fighter. That is what should be penalised imo.
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Re: Holding is a foul , which needs to be treated as a foul !
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Originally Posted by Majesty
I can understand that, but some of it is legal. What should be illegal I think is reaching out to grab someone right after you get your offense off. Like throwing two punches and then reaching out and grabbing a fighter. That is what should be penalised imo.
Exactly ! way to much of that going on today.. especially in the HW division. CC in 24 , thanks for your response !
Really though holding is not legal in any way shape or form.. its tolerated way to much . a fighter gets rocked and is trying to get himself together, understandable...... but used as a strategy its 100% unacceptable . O0
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I agree, far too much holding and hitting IMO
Please tell Hatton to stop this.
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Originally Posted by killersheep
I agree, far too much holding and hitting IMO
Please tell Hatton to stop this.
Now holding and hitting i can handle, LMFAO ! its holding and doing nothing , that i can't stand. heheh O0 CC thanks for the response ! hitting is a good thing when it comes to boxing !
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I don't like holding full stop! I have seen to many shit fights because of holding, after a couple rounds one guy thinks to him self "oh well fuck this i can't beat this guy but i cans ure as hell go the 12 rounds if i constently hold on, spoil and make this fight as borring as possible, send all the fans to sleep, but fuck it i will ad least go the 12 rounds" hate that!
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Anyone else notice that so many Manny Steward fighters hit and hold? Now I've never had a problem with Manny, but his fighters are getting more and more boring to watch.
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Holding is the first sign of bad technique or the bottles gone
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99% of the refs have allowed holding, for so many years, it is viewed as a strategy to win now.
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Re: Holding is a foul , which needs to be treated as a foul !
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Originally Posted by amat
Anyone else notice that so many Manny Steward fighters hit and hold? Now I've never had a problem with Manny, but his fighters are getting more and more boring to watch.
This I say ! Manny is partly to blame.. the boxing organizations and referee are the real problem.( They not enforcing the rules that are right there in black and white to be enforced ) .. Manny knows he can teach his fighters to do this and get away with it because he knows the foul is rarely enforced,, now the by product is A boxing mismatch. I am saying mismatch in that the Tall fighter will use the ref to get his desired distance via holding and then of course immediate referee interference as the ref swiftly separates the two fighters . , and thus will win an easy DEC. boring as all hell ! and unjust .. Instead of breaking the two fighter the ref should say “ this is your first warning , no more holding , now fight out of the clinch “! ;)
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The main reason they get away with it is because usually they are the house fighter in Mannys case
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Originally Posted by Scrap
The main reason they get away with it is because usually they are the house fighter in Mannys case
Amen brother ! Amen ! CC in 24 mate !
I am ready for some new house fighters ! before the HW divison falls of the charts all together ! ;)
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Re: Holding is a foul , which needs to be treated as a foul !
Part of the problem is that both fighters often hold.
It's the little secret agreement that fighters make during a fight as Teddy Atlas calls it.
Were both tired so I'll hold your right arm and you hold mine and we'll both rest for just a sec or two till the ref breaks us.
When only one fighter holds it's more obvious and usually results in warnings and points or in extreme cases, Henry Okinwandi, a DQ
What about Peters posting,hitting behind the head, and holding behind the head? Holding kills a fight, but a 250lb guy REPEATEDLY clubbing a guy smack on the brainstem could kill the fighter! I need to read the WBC rules and see what it actually says! anyone with a link? or pro boxing official rules in general regaurding fouls?
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Here's the laws where I live from the Arizona Boxing Commision, so it applies to fights IN Arizona only.
Historical Note
Adopted effective January 21, 1981 (Supp. 81-1).
ARTICLE 3. CONDUCT OF CONTESTS
R4-3-301. Fair blows and fouls
A. The only fair blow is one delivered with the padded knuckle part of the glove on the front or sides of the head and body above the belt.
B. All blows that are not fair as described in subsection (A) above are fouls. The following practices are also classified as fouls:
1. Hitting an opponent who is down or in the process of getting up after being down.
2. Holding an opponent with one hand and hitting with the other.
3. Holding or maintaining a clinch after directed by the referee to break.
4. Pushing or wrestling.
5. Butting with the head or shoulder.
6. Hitting on the break.
7. Hitting after the bell has sounded ending the round.
8. Any unsportsmanlike trick or action likely to cause injury to an opponent in the opinion of the referee.
9. Refusal to obey the commands of the referee.
10. Falling down intentionally.
Source: http://www.azsos.gov/public_Services/Title_04/4-03.htm
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Re: Holding is a foul , which needs to be treated as a foul !
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Originally Posted by killersheep
I agree, far too much holding and hitting IMO
Please tell Hatton to stop this.
Hatton likes to fight on the inside so why would he tie up or hold? Its his opponents who hold, Rick just wants to throw punches and instead of backing off he stays in their face.
Holyfield v Tyson is an example of exessive holding though. Holyfield just held on so Tyson could not throw any punches........which I thought was a good strategy.
Kostya Tszyu also used holding to slow down opponents who moved quicker than he did......again a good strategy.
PBF holds when he is cornered or againsed the ropes to avoid punishment......could you call that a foul?
Seems to me every tactical fighter holds.
Where do you draw the line with it?
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Re: Holding is a foul , which needs to be treated as a foul !
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Originally Posted by Kel
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Originally Posted by killersheep
I agree, far too much holding and hitting IMO
Please tell Hatton to stop this.
Hatton likes to fight on the inside so why would he tie up or hold? Its his opponents who hold, Rick just wants to throw punches and instead of backing off he stays in their face.
Holyfield v Tyson is an example of exessive holding though. Holyfield just held on so Tyson could not throw any punches........which I thought was a good strategy.
Kostya Tszyu also used holding to slow down opponents who moved quicker than he did......again a good strategy.
PBF holds when he is cornered or againsed the ropes to avoid punishment......could you call that a foul?
Seems to me every tactical fighter holds.
Where do you draw the line with it?
Hatton holds and hits in every fight, People always tell me I haven't seen enough of him, but I have yet to have anyone show me a video where he doesn't hold and hit. And thanks for the sc by the way.
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Originally Posted by killersheep
Here's the laws where I live from the Arizona Boxing Commision, so it applies to fights IN Arizona only.
Historical Note
Adopted effective January 21, 1981 (Supp. 81-1).
ARTICLE 3. CONDUCT OF CONTESTS
R4-3-301. Fair blows and fouls
A. The only fair blow is one delivered with the padded knuckle part of the glove on the front or sides of the head and body above the belt.
B. All blows that are not fair as described in subsection (A) above are fouls. The following practices are also classified as fouls:
1. Hitting an opponent who is down or in the process of getting up after being down.
2. Holding an opponent with one hand and hitting with the other.
3. Holding or maintaining a clinch after directed by the referee to break.
4. Pushing or wrestling.
5. Butting with the head or shoulder.
6. Hitting on the break.
7. Hitting after the bell has sounded ending the round.
8. Any unsportsmanlike trick or action likely to cause injury to an opponent in the opinion of the referee.
9. Refusal to obey the commands of the referee.
10. Falling down intentionally.
Source: http://www.azsos.gov/public_Services/Title_04/4-03.htm
Based on that. Holding is NOT a foul! that can't be right can it?
Only holding and hitting, and holding after directed to break! interesting!
I think we need another set of rules to look at. Any web searchers out there?
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Re: Holding is a foul , which needs to be treated as a foul !
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Originally Posted by Kel
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Originally Posted by killersheep
I agree, far too much holding and hitting IMO
Please tell Hatton to stop this.
Hatton likes to fight on the inside so why would he tie up or hold? Its his opponents who hold, Rick just wants to throw punches and instead of backing off he stays in their face.
Holyfield v Tyson is an example of exessive holding though. Holyfield just held on so Tyson could not throw any punches........which I thought was a good strategy.
Kostya Tszyu also used holding to slow down opponents who moved quicker than he did......again a good strategy.
PBF holds when he is cornered or againsed the ropes to avoid punishment......could you call that a foul?
Seems to me every tactical fighter holds.
Where do you draw the line with it?
Holyfield's may have held a little here and there, but made no habit of it ~ he was a warrior for the most part. an when did Tszyu hold a fighter? this I can't recall??? he never made a habit of it ! this i can say.. I'm talking about the habitual holders. Lewis . Wlad Klitchko , john Ruiz, , Timor Whateverthfuck, these guys.
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
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Originally Posted by Kel
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Originally Posted by killersheep
I agree, far too much holding and hitting IMO
Please tell Hatton to stop this.
Hatton likes to fight on the inside so why would he tie up or hold? Its his opponents who hold, Rick just wants to throw punches and instead of backing off he stays in their face.
Holyfield v Tyson is an example of exessive holding though. Holyfield just held on so Tyson could not throw any punches........which I thought was a good strategy.
Kostya Tszyu also used holding to slow down opponents who moved quicker than he did......again a good strategy.
PBF holds when he is cornered or againsed the ropes to avoid punishment......could you call that a foul?
Seems to me every tactical fighter holds.
Where do you draw the line with it?
Holyfield's may have held a little here and there, but made no habit of it ~ he was a warrior for the most part. an when did Tszyu hold a fighter? this I can't recall??? he never made a habit of it ! this i can say.. I'm talking about the habitual holders. Lewis . Wlad Klitchko , john Ruiz, , Timor Whateverthfuck, these guys.
Never said Holyfield made a habit of it but the first Tyson fight he held for most of the fight.
Tszyu held Sharmba Mitchel in both fights to slow him down so he could get his punches off (he admitted this strategy)
Im not talking about any particular fighter but what would be considered a foul.
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Re: Holding is a foul , which needs to be treated as a foul !
THE ASSOCIATION OF BOXING COMMISSIONS
abcboxing.com
Regulatory Guidelines
Fouls
A foul is an action by a boxer, identified by the referee, that does not meet the standard of a fair blow or the conduct of a responsible professional fighter. Fouls may include, but are not limited to, the following types of contact or acts:
1. Hitting an opponent below the navel or behind the ear;
2. Hitting an opponent who is knocked down;
3. Holding an opponent with one hand and hitting with the other;
4. Holding or deliberately maintaining a clinch;
5. Wrestling, kicking or roughing;
6. Pushing an opponent about the ring or into the ropes;
7. Butting with the head, shoulder, knee, elbow;
8. Hitting with the open glove, the butt or inside of the hand, or back of the hand,
the elbow or the wrist;
9. Purposely falling down onto the canvas of the ring without being hit or for the
purpose of avoiding a blow;
10. Striking deliberately at that part of the body over the kidneys;
11. Using the pivot blow (pivoting while throwing a punch) or the rabbit punch
(punches thrown to the back of the head and neck areas);
12. Jabbing the eyes with the thumb of the glove;
13. Use of abusive language;
14. Unsportsmanlike conduct causing injury to an opponent that does not meet the
standard of a fair blow;
15. Hitting on the break;
16. Intentionally spitting out the mouthpiece;
17. Hitting on or out of the ropes;
18. Holding rope and hitting;
19. Biting/spitting;
20. Not following referee's instructions;
21. Stepping on opponent;
22. Crouching below opponent's belt;
23. Leaving neutral corner; and
24. Corner second shouting.
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Re: Holding is a foul , which needs to be treated as a foul !
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
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Originally Posted by Kel
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Originally Posted by killersheep
I agree, far too much holding and hitting IMO
Please tell Hatton to stop this.
Hatton likes to fight on the inside so why would he tie up or hold? Its his opponents who hold, Rick just wants to throw punches and instead of backing off he stays in their face.
Holyfield v Tyson is an example of exessive holding though. Holyfield just held on so Tyson could not throw any punches........which I thought was a good strategy.
Kostya Tszyu also used holding to slow down opponents who moved quicker than he did......again a good strategy.
PBF holds when he is cornered or againsed the ropes to avoid punishment......could you call that a foul?
Seems to me every tactical fighter holds.
Where do you draw the line with it?
Holyfield's may have held a little here and there, but made no habit of it ~ he was a warrior for the most part. an when did Tszyu hold a fighter? this I can't recall??? he never made a habit of it ! this i can say.. I'm talking about the habitual holders. Lewis . Wlad Klitchko , john Ruiz, , Timor Whateverthfuck, these guys.
Wladimir is a habitual holder????What are you talking about? ???
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Re: Holding is a foul , which needs to be treated as a foul !
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
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Originally Posted by Kel
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Originally Posted by killersheep
I agree, far too much holding and hitting IMO
Please tell Hatton to stop this.
Hatton likes to fight on the inside so why would he tie up or hold? Its his opponents who hold, Rick just wants to throw punches and instead of backing off he stays in their face.
Holyfield v Tyson is an example of exessive holding though. Holyfield just held on so Tyson could not throw any punches........which I thought was a good strategy.
Kostya Tszyu also used holding to slow down opponents who moved quicker than he did......again a good strategy.
PBF holds when he is cornered or againsed the ropes to avoid punishment......could you call that a foul?
Seems to me every tactical fighter holds.
Where do you draw the line with it?
Holyfield's may have held a little here and there, but made no habit of it ~ he was a warrior for the most part. an when did Tszyu hold a fighter? this I can't recall??? he never made a habit of it ! this i can say.. I'm talking about the habitual holders. Lewis . Wlad Klitchko , john Ruiz, , Timor Whateverthfuck, these guys.
Wladimir is a habitual holder????What are you talking about? ???
Klitschko cannot fight on the inside, he resorts to grabbing and hugging his opponent when they get inside, wanting the ref to break it up rather then move, cause he has no footwork.. that’s his problem . Riddick Bowe would fight out of that same situation
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Re: Holding is a foul , which needs to be treated as a foul !
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
Quote:
Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lords Gym
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
I agree, far too much holding and hitting IMO
Please tell Hatton to stop this.
Hatton likes to fight on the inside so why would he tie up or hold? Its his opponents who hold, Rick just wants to throw punches and instead of backing off he stays in their face.
Holyfield v Tyson is an example of exessive holding though. Holyfield just held on so Tyson could not throw any punches........which I thought was a good strategy.
Kostya Tszyu also used holding to slow down opponents who moved quicker than he did......again a good strategy.
PBF holds when he is cornered or againsed the ropes to avoid punishment......could you call that a foul?
Seems to me every tactical fighter holds.
Where do you draw the line with it?
Holyfield's may have held a little here and there, but made no habit of it ~ he was a warrior for the most part. an when did Tszyu hold a fighter? this I can't recall??? he never made a habit of it ! this i can say.. I'm talking about the habitual holders. Lewis . Wlad Klitchko , john Ruiz, , Timor Whateverthfuck, these guys.
Wladimir is a habitual holder????What are you talking about? ???
Klitschko cannot fight on the inside, he resorts to grabbing and hugging his opponent when they get inside, wanting the ref to break it up rather then move, cause he has no footwork.. that’s his problem . Riddick Bowe would fight out of that same situation
Have you seen all of his fights, because I have and the only fight where he held more than the average heavyweight was the Peter fight and in that case it was no more than Muhamad Ali did in his fights.It was a smart tacticle decision Stewart made and it worked.
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its not as evident when Klitschko is having his way , at his desired range,, its when he fights a guy that can get through his offense. a guy that finally gets inside .. then Wlad wants to hold , so the ref will separate the two, and push the other guy back outside again. Its a flaw that Klitchko have ! He is a nice guy, and can punch very good, but his weakness is poor footwork and the hold on the inside . O0
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I agree that holding and running (Spinks, De La Hoya) should be penalized.
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Originally Posted by brazilianbomber
I agree that holding and running (Spinks, De La Hoya) should be penalized.
De la Hoya ! LOL.. he ran only once, and lost his ass in the process ! hehehe.. lesson learned mate. lesson learned.. you never see him run again, this I can say with some certainty ! O0
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
THE ASSOCIATION OF BOXING COMMISSIONS
abcboxing.com
Regulatory Guidelines
Fouls
A foul is an action by a boxer, identified by the referee, that does not meet the standard of a fair blow or the conduct of a responsible professional fighter. Fouls may include, but are not limited to, the following types of contact or acts:
1. Hitting an opponent below the navel or behind the ear;
2. Hitting an opponent who is knocked down;
3. Holding an opponent with one hand and hitting with the other;
4. Holding or deliberately maintaining a clinch;
5. Wrestling, kicking or roughing;
6. Pushing an opponent about the ring or into the ropes;
7. Butting with the head, shoulder, knee, elbow;
8. Hitting with the open glove, the butt or inside of the hand, or back of the hand,
the elbow or the wrist;
9. Purposely falling down onto the canvas of the ring without being hit or for the
purpose of avoiding a blow;
10. Striking deliberately at that part of the body over the kidneys;
11. Using the pivot blow (pivoting while throwing a punch) or the rabbit punch
(punches thrown to the back of the head and neck areas);
12. Jabbing the eyes with the thumb of the glove;
13. Use of abusive language;
14. Unsportsmanlike conduct causing injury to an opponent that does not meet the
standard of a fair blow;
15. Hitting on the break;
16. Intentionally spitting out the mouthpiece;
17. Hitting on or out of the ropes;
18. Holding rope and hitting;
19. Biting/spitting;
20. Not following referee's instructions;
21. Stepping on opponent;
22. Crouching below opponent's belt;
23. Leaving neutral corner; and
24. Corner second shouting.
Good work Lords gym (Tua still sucks though)
Based on the above list Peter scored well! he was guilty of
#'s 1,2,3,14,15,20,and 22!!
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
its not as evident when Klitschko is having his way , at his desired range,, its when he fights a guy that can get through his offense. a guy that finally gets inside .. then Wlad wants to hold , so the ref will separate the two, and push the other guy back outside again. Its a flaw that Klitchko have ! He is a nice guy, and can punch very good, but his weakness is poor footwork and the hold on the inside . O0
All based on 1 fight? ???
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
its not as evident when Klitschko is having his way , at his desired range,, its when he fights a guy that can get through his offense. a guy that finally gets inside .. then Wlad wants to hold , so the ref will separate the two, and push the other guy back outside again. Its a flaw that Klitchko have ! He is a nice guy, and can punch very good, but his weakness is poor footwork and the hold on the inside . O0
All based on 1 fight? ???
a years worth of clinching in that Peter fight mate. I thought Wlad was going to propose to Peter ! He does it vs. Brewster.. many more times , just can't recall off the top of my head . its something he is known for, I’m not making this up ! Ask around ! ;)
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Ok let's stop picking at individual fighters because we will be here for a fucking lifetime.
So what I gather from this thread is...holding for no reason is a foul.
Holding when your hit and in trouble is ok....why?
You cant use the ropes to keep yourself up so why can you grab the other fighter and do the same?
Holding is a part of boxing in my opinion. Exessive holding sticks out like a sore thumb (in my eyes anyway) and the ref usually deals with it.
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Originally Posted by Kel
Ok let's stop picking at individual fighters because we will be here for a fucking lifetime.
So what I gather from this thread is...holding for no reason is a foul.
Holding when your hit and in trouble is ok....why?
You cant use the ropes to keep yourself up so why can you grab the other fighter and do the same?
Holding is a part of boxing in my opinion. Exessive holding sticks out like a sore thumb (in my eyes anyway) and the ref usually deals with it.
Ref's never deals with it mate ! Brock -vs.- Timor , Abraham vs. Miranda. Ruiz -vs. Everyone many many more ! ... the only ref who does a good job consistent now days is Jay Nady ,, Mills Lane was good.. he would make them fight outta of there. if your going to allow the clinch at least make them fight out of it. when the ref spends the whole fight braking up fighters it kills the momentum of the fight, and slants the advantage toward the holder, usually the taller fighter trying to get an advantage over the shorter fighter.
If a prizefighter comes into fight correct, He don't need to hold. why should we allow a fighter who has piss poor conditioning , bad technique or whatever , become everyone else’s problem? It’s his problem , and his problem alone . If he can't fight out of a tight spot , box his way free . then he gets knocked out , So be it ! good riddance I say, Why allow him to illegally clinch in order to try and make up for his deficiencies in the ring ? it’s a horrible watch, and is hurting boxing at the fan level. Watch Holyfield -vs.- Foreman, Holyfield -vs.- Bowe , Tua -vs. Ibabuchie that’s how two HW fighters should behave in the ring !
! ;)
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Re: Holding is a foul , which needs to be treated as a foul !
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
its not as evident when Klitschko is having his way , at his desired range,, its when he fights a guy that can get through his offense. a guy that finally gets inside .. then Wlad wants to hold , so the ref will separate the two, and push the other guy back outside again. Its a flaw that Klitchko have ! He is a nice guy, and can punch very good, but his weakness is poor footwork and the hold on the inside . O0
All based on 1 fight? ???
OK maybe not #2. but all the rest yes!
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
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Originally Posted by Kel
Ok let's stop picking at individual fighters because we will be here for a F****** lifetime.
So what I gather from this thread is...holding for no reason is a foul.
Holding when your hit and in trouble is ok....why?
You cant use the ropes to keep yourself up so why can you grab the other fighter and do the same?
Holding is a part of boxing in my opinion. Exessive holding sticks out like a sore thumb (in my eyes anyway) and the ref usually deals with it.
Ref's never deals with it mate ! Brock -vs.- Timor , Abraham vs. Miranda. Ruiz -vs. Everyone many many more ! ... the only ref who does a good job consistent now days is Jay Nady ,, Mills Lane was good.. he would make them fight outta of there. if your going to allow the clinch at least make them fight out of it. when the ref spends the whole fight braking up fighters it kills the momentum of the fight, and slants the advantage toward the holder, usually the taller fighter trying to get an advantage over the shorter fighter.
If a prizefighter comes into fight correct, He don't need to hold. why should we allow a fighter who has piss poor conditioning , bad technique or whatever , become everyone else’s problem? It’s his problem , and his problem alone . If he can't fight out of a tight spot , box his way free . then he gets knocked out , So be it ! good riddance I say, Why allow him to illegally clinch in order to try and make up for his deficiencies in the ring ? it’s a horrible watch, and is hurting boxing at the fan level. Watch Holyfield -vs.- Foreman, Holyfield -vs.- Bowe , Tua -vs. Ibabuchie that’s how two HW fighters should behave in the ring !
! ;)
All that from the last sentence to my post........zzzzzzz...could go on forever, this thread. I wanted people to pay attention to the WHOLE post not nit-pick at one sentence. Loads on here seems to do that.
It was a short and sweet post like most I write.
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So a fighter who has piss poor conditioning or bad technique is a fighter that holds?
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Re: Holding is a foul , which needs to be treated as a foul !
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Originally Posted by Kel
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
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Originally Posted by Kel
Ok let's stop picking at individual fighters because we will be here for a F****** lifetime.
So what I gather from this thread is...holding for no reason is a foul.
Holding when your hit and in trouble is ok....why?
You cant use the ropes to keep yourself up so why can you grab the other fighter and do the same?
Holding is a part of boxing in my opinion. Exessive holding sticks out like a sore thumb (in my eyes anyway) and the ref usually deals with it.
Ref's never deals with it mate ! Brock -vs.- Timor , Abraham vs. Miranda. Ruiz -vs. Everyone many many more ! ... the only ref who does a good job consistent now days is Jay Nady ,, Mills Lane was good.. he would make them fight outta of there. if your going to allow the clinch at least make them fight out of it. when the ref spends the whole fight braking up fighters it kills the momentum of the fight, and slants the advantage toward the holder, usually the taller fighter trying to get an advantage over the shorter fighter.
If a prizefighter comes into fight correct, He don't need to hold. why should we allow a fighter who has piss poor conditioning , bad technique or whatever , become everyone else’s problem? It’s his problem , and his problem alone . If he can't fight out of a tight spot , box his way free . then he gets knocked out , So be it ! good riddance I say, Why allow him to illegally clinch in order to try and make up for his deficiencies in the ring ? it’s a horrible watch, and is hurting boxing at the fan level. Watch Holyfield -vs.- Foreman, Holyfield -vs.- Bowe , Tua -vs. Ibabuchie that’s how two HW fighters should behave in the ring !
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All that from the last sentence to my post........zzzzzzz...could go on forever, this thread. I wanted people to pay attention to the WHOLE post not nit-pick at one sentence. Loads on here seems to do that.
It was a short and sweet post like most I write. So if you hold, your badly conditioned and have a bad technique?
you lost me at "Holding is part of boxing in my opinion " ! what the fuck ??? so is low blows,, don't make it legal .. i am saying it needs to be delt with , as any foul should !
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Re: Holding is a foul , which needs to be treated as a foul !
Jay Nady is the only ref, that i've noticed,that stops the holding, but of course he does it the wrong way. He slaps at the fighters hands, with his hand. This allows the opponent to time a counterpunch just as Nady slaps the other fighters hand down. That is not fair either.
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Re: Holding is a foul , which needs to be treated as a foul !
[/quote]All that from the last sentence to my post........zzzzzzz...could go on forever, this thread. I wanted people to pay attention to the WHOLE post not nit-pick at one sentence. Loads on here seems to do that.
It was a short and sweet post like most I write.
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OK how about this....
Holding is a foul , which needs to be treated as a foul !
yes
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Re: Holding is a foul , which needs to be treated as a foul !
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Originally Posted by sexydarin
Jay Nady is the only ref, that i've noticed,that stops the holding, but of course he does it the wrong way. He slaps at the fighters hands, with his hand. This allows the opponent to time a counterpunch just as Nady slaps the other fighters hand down. That is not fair either.
Mill Lane would do that also.. I am all for it.. a fighter shouldn’t be holding the first place..
The main thing Nady does that is terrific, is he says " This is your first warning.. No more Holding.. do you understand me ? I will start taking points away if this becomes a problem" after that there isn’t no more problem and now you have a good fight !
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Re: Holding is a foul , which needs to be treated as a foul !
it should be heavily penalized as should certain individual boxers over 7 feet tall that weigh over 320 pounds (not to single anybody out ;) ) that lean over people.