All-Tme Heavyweight Top 10

This is my personal choice based on the persons career and my boxing knowledge.

1. Joe Lewis
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Larry Holmes
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Evander Holyfield
6. George Foreman
7. Joe Frazier
8. Mike Tyson
9. Floyd Patterson
10. Riddick Bowe

This list was complied using boxrec, but boxrec has some sugar-list, so this is
the real deal. What does the forum think, I think it's quite spot on.

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Originally Posted by hardrock

This is my personal choice based on the persons career and my boxing knowledge.

1. Joe Lewis
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Larry Holmes
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Evander Holyfield
6. George Foreman
7. Joe Frazier
8. Mike Tyson
9. Floyd Patterson
10. Riddick Bowe

This list was complied using boxrec, but boxrec has some sugar-list, so this is
the real deal. What does the forum think, I think it's quite spot on.

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as much as i like bowe top 10 heavyweight ?? i think not i dont think patterson should be there either they havent even got rocky marciano or jack johnson crap list mate

Bowe should never make an all time top ten...
And yeh what ice said..No dempsey, no johnson, no marciano...

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by hardrock

This is my personal choice based on the persons career and my boxing knowledge.

1. Joe Lewis
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Larry Holmes
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Evander Holyfield
6. George Foreman
7. Joe Frazier
8. Mike Tyson
9. Floyd Patterson
10. Riddick Bowe

This list was complied using boxrec, but boxrec has some sugar-list, so this is
the real deal. What does the forum think, I think it's quite spot on.

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as much as i like bowe top 10 heavyweight ?? i think not i dont think patterson should be there either they havent even got rocky marciano or jack johnson crap list mate

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SPOT ON!!! :coolclick:

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Originally Posted by hardrock

This is my personal choice based on the persons career and my boxing knowledge.

1. Joe Lewis
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Larry Holmes
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Evander Holyfield
6. George Foreman
7. Joe Frazier
8. Mike Tyson
9. Floyd Patterson
10. Riddick Bowe

This list was complied using boxrec, but boxrec has some sugar-list, so this is
the real deal. What does the forum think, I think it's quite spot on.

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I would say put in Jack Johnson instead of Lennox, drop him to 9 or 10, remove both Patterson and Bowe(if it were a best on one night list, the Bowe that beat Holy would be in the top 5 imo) then add Marciano in Holy's spot, bump him to 8th or so and put Tyson at no 9 or 10.. CC to Ice Cold as well, just noticed that he picked up on the 2 obvious missing ones.

in 24 then Ice.

To Ice Cold Boxing & Tito_BHB

Check the records of Dempsey and Johnson, they are crap compared to the

people in the list. Most the fighters on the list have won the title more than once,

and some have defended the title for long periods of time.

Marciano - retired undefeated, but wasn't a good boxer, and only defended the title 6 times fighting has-been boxers whose prime was long lost.

Jack Johnson - Defended the title 8 times, never won another title after that.

Jack Dempsey - Won the title and defended it 5 times. Is he or Marciano better punchers
than Holmes, Tyson, Foreman? I don't think so.

Riddick Bowe - Won the title twice, but only defeated once. A couple of defences with each title. I prefer Riddick Bowe over Dempsey who would of been beaten by Bowe and Marciano who would not win against the more mobile heavyweights of today.

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Originally Posted by hardrock

This is my personal choice based on the persons career and my boxing knowledge.

1. Joe Lewis
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Larry Holmes
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Evander Holyfield
6. George Foreman
7. Joe Frazier
8. Mike Tyson
9. Floyd Patterson
10. Riddick Bowe

This list was complied using boxrec, but boxrec has some sugar-list, so this is
the real deal. What does the forum think, I think it's quite spot on.

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1. Joe Louis
2. Jack Johnson
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Rocky Marciano
5. Evander Holyfield
6. Lennox Lewis
7. Mike Tyson
8. Jack Dempsey
9. Sonny Liston
10. Larry Holmes

Honorable Mention: George Foreman, Ken Norton, Joe Frazier, Wladimir Klitschko

I might be way off base here but these are just my thoughts. I do not claim to be an expert historian of the heavyweight division.

1- Ali
2- Marciano
3- Louis
4- Tyson (just too devastating in his prime)
5- Frazier
6- Holmes
7- Holyfield
8- Lewis
9- Jack Johnson
10- Foreman

Ali was the greatest, but Marciano was the toughest SOB ever to hold the title.

the reason for that is that titles weren't earned thru money they were earned thru opposition and if you didn't fight the best, you didn't get acknowledged as the best.

this list is compiled of heavyweights that i know stuff about.

1. Rocky Marciano- "his record is crap because all his opponents were bums" If thats your reasoning, would you rather fight a slightly over the hill walcott or a bum with a pretty record like monte barrett? Some people might not know but back then all the champs were the older fighters because they had the experience and knew how to fight. Now onto the man himself. Marciano had insane power and a solid chin. You couldn't hurt him but he could end the fight in one punch at any point in time. Probably one of the worst technical boxers to ever live but as he said "Why waltz with a guy for ten rounds when you can ko him in one?" I have him at #1 because you could only beat him by decision and to do that back then you'd have to survive for 15 rounds and i don't see many fighters doing that except maybe.....

2. Muhammad Ali- What he lacked in "power" he made up for it with speed and precision. Fastest effective heavyweight of all time. His jab alone won him numerous fights on cuts. He threw flurries faster than most of the welterweights around today. Great chin to boot. Fighting him on the outside is an absolute deathwish. I think be could possibly survive 15 rounds with marciano and box his way to a one-sided decision.

(here comes the hate mail)
3. Mike Tyson- His combination of speed, power and defense have never been seen in a heavyweight before or since. Say what you want, at his best tyson beats or greatly challenges any great heavyweight.

4. Joe Louis- his only losses are to other high quality heavyweights of his time in Schmeling, Charles, and Marciano. Surviving 15 round with this guy is a lot to ask for. Easily one of the heaviest punchers of all time

5. Larry Holmes- great jab and solid technical fighter.

6. Joe Frazier- Over came his weaknesses by developing a great inside fighting technique and a phenomenal left hook.

7. George Foreman- What a 240 pound heavyweight should look and fight like. One of the best power punchers of all-time. Maintained enough power to make a comeback late in his career and not many heavies can come back years after their prime and become champion.

8. Lennox Lewis- only lost twice and both can easily be written off as flukes. Great puncher and uses his size well.

9. Evander Holyfield- It's very hard for a smaller fighter to jump into the mix of the best heavies and have a significant impact. Great technical fighter with the heart of a warrior.

10. I can't fill this spot because i can't make up my mind so any one you think deserves to be mentioned as one of the 10 best heavies throughout time belongs here.

* I respect all your thoughts so please don't take offense to my post.

To Brockton Bomber - I don't think Marciano should be number 2 but lower, Jack Johnson wasn't all time great based on what I know (maybe good for his period) so I don't think he should be in there. Foreman should be higher.

To spekterscript - Jack Johnson above Ali is nuts, Marciano above Lennox is nuts.

To Punisher136 - I agree with your points not your order.

i'm not negotiating my top 3 but anything below that could probably be in better order.

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Originally Posted by hardrock

* I respect all your thoughts so please don't take offense to my post.

To Brockton Bomber - I don't think Marciano should be number 2 but lower, Jack Johnson wasn't all time great based on what I know (maybe good for his period) so I don't think he should be in there. Foreman should be higher.

To spekterscript - Jack Johnson above Ali is nuts, Marciano above Lennox is nuts.

To Punisher136 - I agree with your points not your order.

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Jack Johnson decimated the competition so his place in the top 10 is secured. In his autobiography Muhammad Ali says that Joe Louis and Jack Johnson are the 2 greatest heavies of old. Also in sports documentaries Jack Johnson's domination in his division during his time is compared to Babe Ruth's dominance in hitting home runs. This is quite a statement.

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Originally Posted by spekterscript

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Originally Posted by hardrock

* I respect all your thoughts so please don't take offense to my post.

To Brockton Bomber - I don't think Marciano should be number 2 but lower, Jack Johnson wasn't all time great based on what I know (maybe good for his period) so I don't think he should be in there. Foreman should be higher.

To spekterscript - Jack Johnson above Ali is nuts, Marciano above Lennox is nuts.

To Punisher136 - I agree with your points not your order.

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Jack Johnson decimated the competition so his place in the top 10 is secured. In his autobiography Muhammad Ali says that Joe Louis and Jack Johnson are the 2 greatest heavies of old. Also in sports documentaries Jack Johnson's domination in his division during his time is compared to Babe Ruth's dominance in hitting home runs. This is quite a statement.

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I just think the modern day boxing is much better than the early 1900s so Jack Johnson
wouldn't mean much in say the 60s 70s Heavyweight division.

Jack Jackson fighting the likes of leon spinks, Joe Fraizer, Ken Norton, Floyd Patterson, George patterson, Archie Moore. Ali beat all this fighters. See my point!

George patterson was supposed to be GEORGE FOREMAN

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Originally Posted by hardrock

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Originally Posted by spekterscript

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Originally Posted by hardrock

* I respect all your thoughts so please don't take offense to my post.

To Brockton Bomber - I don't think Marciano should be number 2 but lower, Jack Johnson wasn't all time great based on what I know (maybe good for his period) so I don't think he should be in there. Foreman should be higher.

To spekterscript - Jack Johnson above Ali is nuts, Marciano above Lennox is nuts.

To Punisher136 - I agree with your points not your order.

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Jack Johnson decimated the competition so his place in the top 10 is secured. In his autobiography Muhammad Ali says that Joe Louis and Jack Johnson are the 2 greatest heavies of old. Also in sports documentaries Jack Johnson's domination in his division during his time is compared to Babe Ruth's dominance in hitting home runs. This is quite a statement.

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I just think the modern day boxing is much better than the early 1900s so Jack Johnson
wouldn't mean much in say the 60s 70s Heavyweight division.

Jack Jackson fighting the likes of leon spinks, Joe Fraizer, Ken Norton, Floyd Patterson, George patterson, Archie Moore. Ali beat all this fighters. See my point!

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I see where you are coming from. Ali beat all of those fighters during a time when the heavyweight division was very competetive. I don't think Jack Johnson beating any of those guys (that Ali beat) prime vs. prime is out of the question. I am looking at physical attributes along with technique. Johnson was faster than all of them except Ali and probably stronger than all of them except Foreman and Norton. Modern boxing has made improvements since the early 1900s. Reliance on jab and higher held hands for defense are staples of modern boxing. Does that mean we disqualify PBF, Roy Jones, Wilfred Benitez, and Pernell Whitaker as all time greats in their respective weight classes? I think not. Speed, agility, chin, heart, stamina, and power all come into play in determining all time greats.

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Originally Posted by hardrock

This is my personal choice based on the persons career and my boxing knowledge.

1. Joe Lewis
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Larry Holmes
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Evander Holyfield
6. George Foreman
7. Joe Frazier
8. Mike Tyson
9. Floyd Patterson
10. Riddick Bowe

This list was complied using boxrec, but boxrec has some sugar-list, so this is
the real deal. What does the forum think, I think it's quite spot on.

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1.  Joe Louis
2.  Jack Johnson
3.  Muhammad Ali
4.  Rocky Marciano
5.  Evander Holyfield
6.  Lennox Lewis
7.  Mike Tyson
8.  Jack Dempsey
9.  Sonny Liston
10.  Larry Holmes

Honorable Mention: George Foreman, Ken Norton, Joe Frazier, Wladimir Klitschko

I might be way off base here but these are just my thoughts.  I do not claim to be an expert historian of the heavyweight division.

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Honorable Mention: George Foreman, Ken Norton, Joe Frazier, Wladimir Klitschko sorry i dont think wlad should get honourable mention he is good but nowhere near top 10 and never will be and i like wlad but he doesnt derserve honourable mention in my opinion mate and ccs back fellas

For me
Foreman
Tyson
Ali
Ibeabuchi
Lewis
Louis
Holmes
Holyfield
Frazier
Liston

I also liked
Bowe
Dempsey

I don't like
Marciano
Jersey Joe Walcott

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Originally Posted by hardrock

This is my personal choice based on the persons career and my boxing knowledge.

1. Joe Lewis
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Larry Holmes
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Evander Holyfield
6. George Foreman
7. Joe Frazier
8. Mike Tyson
9. Floyd Patterson
10. Riddick Bowe

This list was complied using boxrec, but boxrec has some sugar-list, so this is
the real deal. What does the forum think, I think it's quite spot on.

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good list not great put tyson and rocky in front of larry holmes and take out ridck bowe or patterson

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Originally Posted by hardrock

This is my personal choice based on the persons career and my boxing knowledge.

1. Joe Lewis
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Larry Holmes
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Evander Holyfield
6. George Foreman
7. Joe Frazier
8. Mike Tyson
9. Floyd Patterson
10. Riddick Bowe

This list was complied using boxrec, but boxrec has some sugar-list, so this is
the real deal. What does the forum think, I think it's quite spot on.

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1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Rocky Marciano
4. Evander Holyfield (only 4-time world champ)
5. Larry Holmes
6. George Foreman
7. Joe Frazier
8. Lennox Lewis
9. "Jersey" Joe Walcott
0. Mike Tyson
10.

It's no accident Tyson only had one successful run in the Heavyweight division.
He Could have been Great, instead he was Great, but he could have been better.


Tyson just can't take pressure, in life and inside the ropes.

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Originally Posted by Punisher136

the reason for that is that titles weren't earned thru money they were earned thru opposition and if you didn't fight the best, you didn't get acknowledged as the best.

this list is compiled of heavyweights that i know stuff about.

1. Rocky Marciano- "his record is crap because all his opponents were bums" If thats your reasoning, would you rather fight a slightly over the hill walcott or a bum with a pretty record like monte barrett? Some people might not know but back then all the champs were the older fighters because they had the experience and knew how to fight. Now onto the man himself. Marciano had insane power and a solid chin. You couldn't hurt him but he could end the fight in one punch at any point in time. Probably one of the worst technical boxers to ever live but as he said "Why waltz with a guy for ten rounds when you can ko him in one?" I have him at #1 because you could only beat him by decision and to do that back then you'd have to survive for 15 rounds and i don't see many fighters doing that except maybe.....

2. Muhammad Ali- What he lacked in "power" he made up for it with speed and precision. Fastest effective heavyweight of all time. His jab alone won him numerous fights on cuts. He threw flurries faster than most of the welterweights around today. Great chin to boot. Fighting him on the outside is an absolute deathwish. I think be could possibly survive 15 rounds with marciano and box his way to a one-sided decision.

(here comes the hate mail)
3. Mike Tyson- His combination of speed, power and defense have never been seen in a heavyweight before or since. Say what you want, at his best tyson beats or greatly challenges any great heavyweight.

4. Joe Louis- his only losses are to other high quality heavyweights of his time in Schmeling, Charles, and Marciano. Surviving 15 round with this guy is a lot to ask for. Easily one of the heaviest punchers of all time

5. Larry Holmes- great jab and solid technical fighter.

6. Joe Frazier- Over came his weaknesses by developing a great inside fighting technique and a phenomenal left hook.

7. George Foreman- What a 240 pound heavyweight should look and fight like. One of the best power punchers of all-time. Maintained enough power to make a comeback late in his career and not many heavies can come back years after their prime and become champion.

8. Lennox Lewis- only lost twice and both can easily be written off as flukes. Great puncher and uses his size well.

9. Evander Holyfield- It's very hard for a smaller fighter to jump into the mix of the best heavies and have a significant impact. Great technical fighter with the heart of a warrior.

10. I can't fill this spot because i can't make up my mind so any one you think deserves to be mentioned as one of the 10 best heavies throughout time belongs here.

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Dear Punisher136



Just when I'm getting ready to write you off as a total delusional rambling imbecile, you come back and make a intelligent, incitefull and comprehensive post like this.
Well considered and presented.
Its obvious that the #1 spot Must go to a figher who was UNDEFEATED thoughtout his entire career. That should seem obvious, If he has beaten EVERY fighter he faced it is only reasonable that he should be placed at the pinnacle.....of........what...?.........Marciano?? oh...

I thought it said VALUEV........forget what I said before...you still an idiot.



P.S. Chris Byrd is #2.

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Originally Posted by hardrock

This is my personal choice based on the persons career and my boxing knowledge.

1. Joe Lewis
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Larry Holmes
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Evander Holyfield
6. George Foreman
7. Joe Frazier
8. Mike Tyson
9. Floyd Patterson
10. Riddick Bowe

This list was complied using boxrec, but boxrec has some sugar-list, so this is
the real deal. What does the forum think, I think it's quite spot on.

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good list not great put tyson and rocky in front of larry holmes and take out ridck bowe or patterson

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why should tyson be in front of holmes ??

HMMM...Easy list to make yet hard at the same time (If that makes sense?)

1.Ali
2.Louis
3.Johnson--Jack would have secceeded in any era
4.Foreman
5.Frazier
6.Dempsey
7.Holyfield
8.Marciano-Why so low? Truth is though he is an all time great his two best opp were way past prime
9.Holmes
10.Tyson

Just missing a spot are...Lennox Lewis,,Floyd Patterson, and Joe Hipp :D

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Originally Posted by hardrock

To Ice Cold Boxing & Tito_BHB

Check the records of Dempsey and Johnson, they are crap compared to the

people in the list. Most the fighters on the list have won the title more than once,

and some have defended the title for long periods of time.

Marciano - retired undefeated, but wasn't a good boxer, and only defended the title 6 times fighting has-been boxers whose prime was long lost.
Jack Johnson - Defended the title 8 times, never won another title after that.

Jack Dempsey - Won the title and defended it 5 times. Is he or Marciano better punchers
than Holmes, Tyson, Foreman? I don't think so.

Riddick Bowe - Won the title twice, but only defeated once. A couple of defences with each title. I prefer Riddick Bowe over Dempsey who would of been beaten by Bowe and Marciano who would not win against the more mobile heavyweights of today.

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hypocriticaly u put joe louis as #1 whose oppositon was no better than rocky's--u cant diss marciano 4 his oppostion, and praise joe louis it makes no sense

Haha..This guy is obviously a friend of boxrec's ;D

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Originally Posted by hardrock

To Ice Cold Boxing & Tito_BHB

Check the records of Dempsey and Johnson, they are crap compared to the

people in the list. Most the fighters on the list have won the title more than once,

and some have defended the title for long periods of time.

Marciano - retired undefeated, but wasn't a good boxer, and only defended the title 6 times fighting has-been boxers whose prime was long lost.
Jack Johnson - Defended the title 8 times, never won another title after that.

Jack Dempsey - Won the title and defended it 5 times. Is he or Marciano better punchers
than Holmes, Tyson, Foreman? I don't think so.

Riddick Bowe - Won the title twice, but only defeated once. A couple of defences with each title. I prefer Riddick Bowe over Dempsey who would of been beaten by Bowe and Marciano who would not win against the more mobile heavyweights of today.

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hypocriticaly u put joe louis as #1 whose oppositon was no better than rocky's--u cant diss marciano 4 his oppostion, and praise joe louis it makes no sense

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I agree with undefeated on this one. I think hypocritically might be harsh because he might not see the contradictions in his logic and order. I agree that joe louis can't be put at the one slot and marciano be dissed for his opposition.