I have done Taekwondo and what I learnt is that it allows all the moves of
a Muay Thai and some extra fancy flying kicks. It also involves some techniques
to twist/bend the opponants hand/arm.
What are your thoughts?
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I have done Taekwondo and what I learnt is that it allows all the moves of
a Muay Thai and some extra fancy flying kicks. It also involves some techniques
to twist/bend the opponants hand/arm.
What are your thoughts?
No. A whole bunch of nothing practical.
I'm assuming this is a joke topic of sorts....you may even be the first on this board, so gratz on that.
If serious, nope. TKD is better than nothing, but many many other things are better than TKD. Granted, the old "teacher > art" axiom obviously applies, but generally TKD tends to be for semi-contact point sparring, as opposed to all out fighting, and point sparring doesn't exactly help in a real fight. I actually fought a TKD practictioner in college (dont remember what belt...he wasn't black, but it was one of the higher ones) and beat him with relative ease. TKD has a few gimmick kicks that, if landed successfully (a VERY big if), could end the fight, but they generally tend to be very easily avoidable. And TKDs hand skills and grappling/submissions skills are EXTREMELY subpar. And hand skills and grappling/submission skills are FAR more useful in a fight than kicking in almost all situations.
Sorry. Can't answer this without really being offending to the orginal poster. My son does TaeKwonDo...he's 4...he does it to get rid of energy. For me it offers nothing practical, in the street or in the octagon. Granted you will develop powerful kicks but other than that. Not much else. The kicking techniques are well telegraphed and to make it work in any shape or form you have to be ridiculously good at it.
When you said you have 'done' taekwondo i am assuming you've had a few lessons, got a couple of grades and think its the mutts nuts. It looks good..but trust me son, don't depend on it in a real go. You'll learn a harsh lesson.
I've sparred with a supposed TKD black belt, style against style and the only other style i found easier to overcome was wing chun.
Like all things though. Opinions vary
I dont think there is one ultimate art....
Ive watched a few olympic TKD fights and I wasnt really impressed, I cannot see them techniques working on the street.
It looks more like a game/sport than combat to me.
To Munky & Heavy D,
It is true TKD has fancy kicks. Fancy routines that lead no-where? Maybe?
But I have researched the art, and one who understands the art knows its got te same punches as boxing, the same kicks and knees and elbows as Muay Thai.
The difference is, the style of the fight, a Muay Thai and Kickboxer fight via boxing and low kicks and mid-section kicks.
A Wing Chung fighter is way to fancy for the street. I wouldn't want to take the ricks of feeling the arms of my street fighter to get a sense of their next move.
I would chuck a punch first, a low lick second and wrestling last. The Muppets you both beat are probelly trying an sport TKD for a street fight, which is wrong,
or else they are not skilled.
Lastly, a belt means nothing, it just keeps the uniform in place.
Based on my research sport TKD is about kicking with the hands down.
Traditional TKD is a preety art form. Realistic practical Taekwondo looks like
a kickboxer in some cases.
The Dojangs (Dojo) Masters don't teach enough about real life application and how to combat other arts. I know I went to one for some time.
Hope this post as been helpful. Thanks to: voodoo_dude, Von Milash for posts.
so are you training in TKD now?
For a while I was interested in some kind of kicking art (muay thai, kickboxing or TKD) but I ruled out TKD because it didnt seem as practical for self defense on the street.
Anyway Im sticking with boxing now for sure.
I do it at home. I know the stuff they never ever taught the white and yellow belts.Quote:
Originally Posted by voodoo_dude
I don't do ariel kicks. I prefer a grounded kicking style (low-mid section) and pure boxing with strikes.
I only use it for fitness though. I goto a boxing gym at the moment. I agree boxing is the real deal. Sparring this monday (2min rds x 3) so hope that goes well.
BTW For self defence you need to know: wrestling, striking, punching (no reverse punching), kicking and dirty tactics (head butts, biting, hair pulling, stoomping foot, twisting ear etc).
No old martial art is complete. Krav Maga is good as I hear.
Krav Magra is overrated. From a self defense standpoint, its nothing new (stab the guy in the throat, kick his balls, poke out his eyes, basically just fight dirty and do whatever you have to). From a competitive fighting perspective, its garbage. "Grab the arm when they punch" stuff....none of it ever works if anyone has even the SLIGHTEST idea what theyre doing. A friend of a friend just got done serving like 4 or so years in the Israeli Defense Forces (where Krav Magra originated and is taught). He talked a lot of shit and in the end, he was sprawled on his ass. He said things like "well in a real fight, I'd have my knife and itd be done in two seconds", to which I replied "You're right. Cuz in a real fight, I'd shoot your ass the second I saw that knife"
And to original question, it sounds to me like your talking about boxing with a few TKD kicks and some basic grappling moves. Which isn't TKD at all (from my experiences). There's nothing wrong with that, to supplement your boxing. TKD will teach you to kick better, and with the right teacher, you WOULD be a damned tough fighter. The problem is that, with TKD moreso than any other art besides maybe Kung Fu or Karate, you are going to have one hell of a time finding a legitimate teacher who teaches his students to properly use the art in a manner that is feasible in a real fight. There are so many crap teachers out there who teach solely to make money. They start their "McDojos" in suburban areas and overcharge the hell out of everything. Or maybe they start in an inner city with the hopes of just giving children some structure in their life to keep them off the streets (like many boxing gyms do, and I applaud both for their actions)
Trust me friend, I researched TKD alot. Net, books, media clips, articles, peoples opinions.
The same punches in boxing can be used in TKD and still called TKD.
As for Krav Maga, I dunno, only went by what I head.
As for McDojo's, London has tons of them. I went to one, which I found out closed maybe 5/8 years ago. Feckers charged me and my bro a ton for TKD.
Yes and no....you can use them in TKD, but then you aren't practicing straight TKD. If you have to use your boxing skills in TKD (which punches and stances far differently from everything I know) in TKD, how can it be the ULTIMATE art? Why wouldn't boxing be the ultimate martial art, if you just use TKD kicks? TKD is a good kicking art, but otherwise, it is SEVERELY lacking. Even in kicking, the great majority of the kicks are impractical/desperation (spinning back kick, axe kicks, etc)
Hardrock, I don't want to come off as a jerk, but if you think TKD is the ultimate art, you're delusional. I've only ever seen one TKD expert do anything decent in an MMA event...can't rememebr the details, but he distilled his tactics down to simplicity... leg kicks, a few high kicks, etc. But when his opponent got inside he was n trouble. And you're sorely mistaking if you think those high flying kicks are of any use in a real situation. Only against someone who has NO fighting background would it come in handy. But against another skilled fighter, it's almost as useless as kung fu.
A few months back I went in this place for a beer. Sat down next to a guy who happened to be a karate student. About my age, early/mid 30's, we got talking mma...ufc, pride etc. We were talking the varous arts and I almost said, "TKD is total BS." Luckily before I did I asked him what kind of karate he studied, and he said, actually it's TKD. Oops. But he was showing me these strikes and defense moves that were absolute rubbish. Like D said, grab the arm, etc. That shit only works in a dojo with a submissive partner. Don't waste your time. If you want to kick, do kickboxing, then MT. IMO a kickboxer is better than a MT guy. MT elbows andf knees are great, but they're a far cruder calibre of boxer. IMO.
hey D, who is that in your avatar pic? just curious.
classic. do you really have to STUDY to shank someone? I'm not a knife fighter but I guarantee I can knife someone just as well as a krav maga dude. Hell, if you want to se skill with a knife just turn on the Food Channel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heavy D
I also love to see this shit on espn when they do stick fighting drills and they're judged. "Oh, that was PERFECTLY executed." Right, what a f'ing load. Again, I'm not a trained stick fighter but I guarantee that if I swung it like I did a baseball bat for 25years (and at the college level), it's 100x more effective than that little spinning twirl shit. But mine wasn't pretty, except if you're a baseball player I guess.
Taekwondo is ballet stuff. You cant use those kind of silly kicks in a real fight. I spar with Taekwondo , Karate guys and I am able to drop them with the wackiest low kick I can deliver. Yes, I train in Muay Thai but aint a high level performer
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Von Milash - If you want to know how to fight you should study fighitng. If you want to know about History then you should study History.
High flying kicks is sport TKD, waste of time. Again I would you fists, elbows, kness and shin/foot for my attacks. Some TKD get carried away with art and start doing the wrong thing thats all.
MrB - If it were me I would of done punching and angle kicks to you, with some knees and elbows. Sounds like Muay Thai? No its basic TKD! Fact!
Heavy D - Yes I know where your coming from, I thought the same thing. I myself researched and found out they use the same punching as boxers. Same knees and elbows as Muay Thai.
hardrock:
Its funny because if you are a Taekwondo guy I dont think you would be throwing knees and elbows. Thats just not Taekwondo. Another thing is in a real fight you just dont kick or punch senselessly. You measure the opponent. We cant however settle as to who's the superior between the 2 of us here in the Internet. I probabably would just let you get the W in this argument.
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I'm confused. Seriously. Weren't you just saying that it is the ultimate martial art? Elbows knees and fists are weapons outside of TKD. Did I miss something in your posts? I must have. ???Quote:
Originally Posted by hardrock
Again, high flying kicks IS unrealistic in a fight. No doubt about it. But TKD is STILL the ultimate art because of the other sensible kicks that can be used.Quote:
Originally Posted by Von Milash
You have made a bad argument. TKD teaches elbow and knees. TKD Users just don't always use it when they should.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrB
Simple init!
The TKD stance is entirely different from the boxing stance. To use a boxing style punch, you would not be in the TKD stance, and hence, not using TKD. This argument is really going nowhere, so I'm done trying to convince you. But my opinion is that while it is a good way to learn to kick properly, it is far from the ultimate martial art. There really is no ultimate martial art, in my opinion, outside of the current mixed martial arts. The fact that MANY TKD practictioners were destroyed in the earlier UFCs by a variety of other martial arts pretty much goes to prove that while it CAN be effective with proper training, it is far from the ultimate martial art.
And for the record, it's me in my avatar. Was screwin around with my webcam and took it by accident, but it looked pretty epic, so I kept it :P
I'm a Taekwondo guy, and a boxer.
There is no such thing as an 'ultimate' martial art. Anybody who thinks that one style is a better short cut to being able to kick people in is an idiot.
You may as well argue that painting is a better art than sculpture.
Martial art takes place between your ears.
Can't be arsed to put my point across anymore. Whatever this guy is talking about it isn't TKD.
Also there isn't an 'ultimate art'
Anyway...can't be bothered to argue ;D
Also not to disrespect anyone but putting forth an argument on the basis of self study (books) and searching the internet..well ???
Isn't that what it comes down to? Who cares about landing some fancy flying kick shit, kick em in the balls and leg it. For all the shyte spoken about MA, Bruce Lee and all that, that is the essence of his art of any good MA IMO....also heard it said that the best thing to train for in self defence is sprinting..... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Heavy D
P*ssy ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Missy
well do you want to get stabbed over a parking space? Or let it go.
Have to understand I'm the first one to start gobbing off if stuff like that happens...on the otherhand I know it's stupid to put yourself at risk for something go trivial.....on the otherhand I think people get away with shit because people don't challenge them....
I do agree with you. Awareness and avoidance should be the fisrt priority. I was pulling your pubes. :-X
that would work in a fight 8)
Ever heard of a southpaw, same as TKD stance. Your thinking of the foot position 12 and 3. I am thinking of 1 and 1. If you get what Im saying. I might as well argue with a math teacher, you seem to not see in a real fight, styles but techniques can be crossed and still called say for example TKD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heavy D
Self study is what martial arts ia about. Study of the self and the art. The perfection of the art and even the perfection of the self (character). Your greatly mistaken my friend,Quote:
Originally Posted by Munky
BTW Ultimate means: ending a process or series (first meaning from Dictionary.com).
Before TKD there were fight styles and TKD is the end accumulation of the Korean fighting styles.
(Sixth meaning according to Dictionary.com) Not to be surpassed. TKD has all the kicks of the other arts and more. All the elbows and knees of Muay Thai. Same punches as boxing.
It cannot be improved on against similar kicking/punching & striking arts.
Have a nice day!!!
Blimey. I was half expecting you to call me grasshopper at the end of that sentence. :karate2:Quote:
Originally Posted by hardrock
Don't think you quite understood me.lol
Are you a troll? Stop fecking around. lol
TKD the ultimate??? :-\
Very Very Bold statement..Based on your knowledge of TKD and your position regarding proper punching and kicking technique i would assume you've done your homework "Equally" to all of the other martial arts in the world. Reading all of the previous posts i've only noticed CrawMgraw, Boxing, MixMA, Ground fighting, kickboxing, wing chung, kung fu, and maybe one other...Do you realize how many various martial arts there truly are...If you going to make a statement as TKD being the ultimate, it would only be fair for you to do an equal amount of studying of ALL the martial arts that exist..otherwise your statement should be "I THINK TKD IS THE BEST FOR ME".
I personally have trained in TKD, Jujitsu, Judo, Boxing, Kickboxing,Jeet Kune Do, and Bushidokan...All are great, but for very specific reasons...none of these can be cosidered the ultimate. A jujitsu master, can beat a TKD master if the situation fits the fight and vise versa...A boxer can beat a Judo expert if the situation fits the fight and vise versa..
Bushidokan is by far a much more realistic and effective form of MA compared to TKD...IMO Have you done any of you extensive studies on Bushidokan???
TKD is great for a fundamental structure of the basics...If you wish to go beyond basic fundamentals and move to comparting TKD's effectiveness to ALL the other martial arts...You no longer have valid argument..
It becomes a Who vs Who...Anybody and Everybody is beatable...if TKD was the ULTIMATE Martial art, that would mean that the TOP TKD expert in the world could not be beatin by anyone in hand to hand combat..Isn't that a bit naive??
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Originally Posted by Munky
Thanks Munky, Don't get me wrong..I am by no means an expert in any field of MA...it's just i've seen some very knowledgable martial artists get beat by lesser opponents..
Its the ultimate art in Korea is what I meant, not the whole MA community.
Where did you lot get that idea from? Doh!
lol...
gg; nr
What a joker!
WOW...what a recovery....i must've really rattle that cage...lololol