Prime Gerry Cooney vs Prime Wlad Klit

who wins the war of the 2 white marshmallows?? if gerry lands the left hook, the klit will sleep forever, yes?

Interesting

Wlad wins this by KO....Cooney would not be able to handle the skill of Wlad...Cooney was a ham and egger...He also never faced a man with the power of Klitschko.....Gerry's whole arsonal depended on that left

Cooney did have a half decent fight against holmes though.

and he did spark out norton in 1 all i can say is if cooney lands that left its good night for wlad and cooney did hurt holmes with body shot even holmes said himself he knocked wind out of me and i had to survive the round

Gerry Cooney fought an excellent 12 rounds against a very skilled and technical fighter Larry Holmes giving everything he had,and giving Larry all he could handle over 12 rounds. Unfortunatly......it was a 15 round fight

I wouldn't give Cooney a chance against Wlad. And don't forget he got sparked out against Micheal Spinks. BUT that fight against Larry raises a question.

Maybe it raises the question Larry vs Wlad.....?

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Originally Posted by landmine950

Gerry Cooney fought an excellent 12 rounds against a very skilled and technical fighter Larry Holmes giving everything he had,and giving Larry all he could handle over 12 rounds.  Unfortunatly......it was a 15 round fight

I wouldn't give Cooney a chance against Wlad. And don't forget he got sparked out against Micheal Spinks. BUT that fight against Larry raises a question.

Maybe it raises the question Larry vs Wlad.....?

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yes why not go make topic landmine and lets have good old debate  ;) infact ill go make it myself

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and he did spark out norton in 1 all i can say is if cooney lands that left its good night for wlad and cooney did hurt holmes with body shot even holmes said himself he knocked wind out of me and i had to survive the round

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To be fair that was not a prime Norton....Ken was long past his best days

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Originally Posted by landmine950

Maybe it raises the question Larry vs Wlad.....?

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Wlad is good going forward in a straight line. Big guy, decent power.

Trouble is, Larry Holmes is an all time great, who was faster, better technically and he had one of the best chins you will ever see. Klit would catch Holmes a couple of times, but he would not be able to stop Larry.

Holmes outpoints and outworks Klit over the first four or five rounds. By the sixth, Wlad is discouraged and runs out of ideas. Holmes ups the tempo and begins to force Wlad backwards. We all know Klit has a dodgy chin, Holmes begins to land on it, and forces a stoppage before the tenth.

cooney is very overrated, not that good. wlad Kos him.

as for holmes, i think wlad beats him too. he has all the physical advantages, and i dont think holmes would get in a real big shotm on the chin.

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Originally Posted by brock

who wins the war of the 2 white marshmallows?? if gerry lands the left hook, the klit will sleep forever, yes?

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Well the two white marshmallows would both stomp a hole in Brock's ass, I say this would be a closer fight than most observers would think. I say Klitschko would win by 5th round knock while getting knocked down twice the process.

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who wins the war of the 2 white marshmallows?? if gerry lands the left hook, the klit will sleep forever, yes?

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Well the two white marshmallows would both stomp a hole in Brock's a**,

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lol, one of them already has

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who wins the war of the 2 white marshmallows?? if gerry lands the left hook, the klit will sleep forever, yes?

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It is funny it seems when people ask who would win against Wladimir it has to due with knocking him out.Your question should be could Wladimir take his best punch, isn't that what you are asking?Anyway Wladimir I believe would stop Cooney before the 4th round since spinks did it in 5 and Foreman in 2.

Wlad kills cooney. Holmes outclasses Wlad. End of story.

I think wlad is way more skiled than Cooney, and IMO would KO him, but there is a chane of Cooney landing one good punch, and cause the Klitschko train to derail.

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who wins the war of the 2 white marshmallows?? if gerry lands the left hook, the klit will sleep forever, yes?

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White marshmallows? Racist yes?

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Originally Posted by landmine950

Gerry Cooney fought an excellent 12 rounds against a very skilled and technical fighter Larry Holmes giving everything he had,and giving Larry all he could handle over 12 rounds. Unfortunatly......it was a 15 round fight

I wouldn't give Cooney a chance against Wlad. And don't forget he got sparked out against Micheal Spinks. BUT that fight against Larry raises a question.

Maybe it raises the question Larry vs Wlad.....?

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Ok the Klitschko lovers have me cranked up!! lol! I'll change my reply!

Wlad is so easy to hit! Cooney lands the massive left hook. Ending Wlads career and knocking his PH.D right out of his memory banks.
Wlad has to go back to kindergarden to master potty training again.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

I think wlad is way more skiled than Cooney, and IMO would KO him, but there is a chane of Cooney landing one good punch, and cause the Klitschko train to derail.

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Yep excatly what i was going to say. Put it this way Wlad on his best night schools Cooney on his best night IMO, but with Wladdy's shakey chin and Cooneys power hook it could easily be turned in one punch!

actually white marshmallows is a double-ententre redundancy as I have never seen a marshmallow of any other color. I am white, you dumb cretin, so how can that be racist? You are a little knee-jerking in your reactions, yes? Your mind goes right to racism instead of just laughing about it, I think its funny, 2 white marshmallows, big deal. If it was 2 Italians I woulda said 2 Goombahs. Lighten up a little bit you white uptight man, you. ;)

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Gerry Cooney fought an excellent 12 rounds against a very skilled and technical fighter Larry Holmes giving everything he had,and giving Larry all he could handle over 12 rounds. Unfortunatly......it was a 15 round fight

I wouldn't give Cooney a chance against Wlad. And don't forget he got sparked out against Micheal Spinks. BUT that fight against Larry raises a question.

Maybe it raises the question Larry vs Wlad.....?

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Ok the Klitschko lovers have me cranked up!! lol! I'll change my reply!

Wlad is so easy to hit! Cooney lands the massive left hook. Ending Wlads career and knocking his PH.D right out of his memory banks.
Wlad has to go back to kindergarden to master potty training again.

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Wladimir is not easy to hit especially by slow punching Cooney.Wladimir is far more skilled than Cooney.Wladimir has a much better shot at knocking him out than Coney would against him, not to mention Wladimir would box circles around him.

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

Wlad wins this by KO....Cooney would not be able to handle the skill of Wlad...Cooney was a ham and egger...He also never faced a man with the power of Klitschko.....Gerry's whole arsonal depended on that left

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Come on man. I think he fought someone who could match the power of the mighty Wladimir. Someone named....George Foreman!!!
This is a good topic IMO. Cooney in his prime would have KO'd Klit IMO. Just like Corey Sanders did. Him and Sanders have a good deal in common. Both, power punchers with quick hands. Cooney would have KO'd Wladimir the way I see it.

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Wlad wins this by KO....Cooney would not be able to handle the skill of Wlad...Cooney was a ham and egger...He also never faced a man with the power of Klitschko.....Gerry's whole arsonal depended on that left

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Come on man. I think he fought someone who could match the power of the mighty Wladimir. Someone named....George Foreman!!!
This is a good topic IMO. Cooney in his prime would have KO'd Klit IMO. Just like Corey Sanders did. Him and Sanders have a good deal in common. Both, power punchers with quick hands. Cooney would have KO'd Wladimir the way I see it.

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He did fight a guy of Wladimir's power(George Foreman) and was KO'd in 2 rounds! ;DSo I see how you would think Cooney would win. ???

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Wlad wins this by KO....Cooney would not be able to handle the skill of Wlad...Cooney was a ham and egger...He also never faced a man with the power of Klitschko.....Gerry's whole arsonal depended on that left

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Come on man. I think he fought someone who could match the power of the mighty Wladimir. Someone named....George Foreman!!!
This is a good topic IMO. Cooney in his prime would have KO'd Klit IMO. Just like Corey Sanders did. Him and Sanders have a good deal in common. Both, power punchers with quick hands. Cooney would have KO'd Wladimir the way I see it.

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He did fight a guy of Wladimir's power(George Foreman) and was KO'd in 2 rounds! ;DSo I see how you would think Cooney would win. ???

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Yes, but George Foreman is a significantly greater puncher than Klit, and Cooney was quite past his prime at the time. Also Foreman's chin is legnedary, Klit's is not.

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Wlad wins this by KO....Cooney would not be able to handle the skill of Wlad...Cooney was a ham and egger...He also never faced a man with the power of Klitschko.....Gerry's whole arsonal depended on that left

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Come on man. I think he fought someone who could match the power of the mighty Wladimir. Someone named....George Foreman!!!
This is a good topic IMO. Cooney in his prime would have KO'd Klit IMO. Just like Corey Sanders did. Him and Sanders have a good deal in common. Both, power punchers with quick hands. Cooney would have KO'd Wladimir the way I see it.

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He did fight a guy of Wladimir's power(George Foreman) and was KO'd in 2 rounds! ;DSo I see how you would think Cooney would win. ???

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Yes, but George Foreman is a significantly greater puncher than Klit, and Cooney was quite past his prime at the time. Also Foreman's chin is legnedary, Klit's is not.

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Why do you say he is a significantly greater puncher than Wladimir?Go look at the opponents records that Cooney fought!The best guy he beat was a very old Ken Norton.He beat a lot of club fighters and lost when he stepped up.In his prime he was still fighting guys with records of 3wins and 2loses and 6wins and 2loses!Wladimir is a so much better fighter than Cooney ever was?Wladimir has always KO'd bigger guys easier than smaller guys and Cooney would be tailor made for him.Wladimir has KO'd guys with much better chins as well.

I've never checked his record, but how many guys had cooney been ko'd by?

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Wlad wins this by KO....Cooney would not be able to handle the skill of Wlad...Cooney was a ham and egger...He also never faced a man with the power of Klitschko.....Gerry's whole arsonal depended on that left

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Come on man. I think he fought someone who could match the power of the mighty Wladimir. Someone named....George Foreman!!!
This is a good topic IMO. Cooney in his prime would have KO'd Klit IMO. Just like Corey Sanders did. Him and Sanders have a good deal in common. Both, power punchers with quick hands. Cooney would have KO'd Wladimir the way I see it.

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He did fight a guy of Wladimir's power(George Foreman) and was KO'd in 2 rounds! ;DSo I see how you would think Cooney would win. ???

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Yes, but George Foreman is a significantly greater puncher than Klit, and Cooney was quite past his prime at the time. Also Foreman's chin is legnedary, Klit's is not.

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How can you determine who hit harder between Foreman and Klit? Its absolutely impossible.

you really must be joshing.......does any sane person out there really think Klit hits even 50% as hard as Big George??? Oh my God, go join a badm >:madinton forum or something.

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actually white marshmallows is a double-ententre redundancy as I have never seen a marshmallow of any other color. I am white, you dumb cretin, so how can that be racist? You are a little knee-jerking in your reactions, yes? Your mind goes right to racism instead of just laughing about it, I think its funny, 2 white marshmallows, big deal. If it was 2 Italians I woulda said 2 Goombahs. Lighten up a little bit you white uptight man, you. ;)

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Buy some Lucky Charms!

Wlad wins....he has the superior talent in his prime and Gerry was just not a good boxer and if Larry Holmes hurt him that bad how would Wlad hurt him???

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you really must be joshing.......does any sane person out there really think Klit hits even 50% as hard as Big George??? Oh my God, go join a badm >:madinton forum or something.

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Well Wladimir has 43 KO's in 47 wins and against guys who have never been stopped before.Wladimir has faced guys much bigger than the guys Foreman faced.Foreman faced more fighters that were under 210lbs than over that.Wladimir has only faced 1 fighter under 210lbs.The majority being over 230lbs.If Wladimir was facing guys that weighed under 200lbs there is no doubt he would have KO'd them all but as it is already only 4 of his wins have gone to the scorecards.

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Originally Posted by brock

who wins the war of the 2 white marshmallows?? if gerry lands the left hook, the klit will sleep forever, yes?

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Cooney, in my estimation, had the better chin of the two. After his devastating loss to Holmes, he spiraled into a world of drug/alcohol abuse. Even in his post-holmes state, Foreman commented that he had to stop him because he didn't think he could take another punch from Cooney.
However, I think that Klit is the better technician in the ring, and under Manny, I don't see how he would lose.
So I have mixed feelings about this match-up: Cooney after the Lyle fight...I'd say an early KO
Post-Holmes Cooney would have gotten KTFO.

Good assesment Shadow, I can live with that explination

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who wins the war of the 2 white marshmallows?? if gerry lands the left hook, the klit will sleep forever, yes?

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Cooney, in my estimation, had the better chin of the two. After his devastating loss to Holmes, he spiraled into a world of drug/alcohol abuse. Even in his post-holmes state, Foreman commented that he had to stop him because he didn't think he could take another punch from Cooney.
However, I think that Klit is the better technician in the ring, and under Manny, I don't see how he would lose.
So I have mixed feelings about this match-up: Cooney after the Lyle fight...I'd say an early KO
Post-Holmes Cooney would have gotten KTFO.

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Irishmen do not "abuse" alcohol!!
abuse is when it gets wasted,spilt or left alone in a cupboard some where.
Us Irishmen respect and embrace our Alcohol, in any given quantity.

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who wins the war of the 2 white marshmallows?? if gerry lands the left hook, the klit will sleep forever, yes?

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Cooney, in my estimation, had the better chin of the two. After his devastating loss to Holmes, he spiraled into a world of drug/alcohol abuse. Even in his post-holmes state, Foreman commented that he had to stop him because he didn't think he could take another punch from Cooney.
However, I think that Klit is the better technician in the ring, and under Manny, I don't see how he would lose.
So I have mixed feelings about this match-up: Cooney after the Lyle fight...I'd say an early KO
Post-Holmes Cooney would have gotten KTFO.

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Irishmen do not "abuse" alcohol!!
abuse is when it gets wasted,spilt or left alone in a cupboard some where.
Us Irishmen respect and embrace our Alcohol, in any given quantity.

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LOL Pure bigoted stereotype, landmine! ;D But I almost spit me whole fukin pint of Guinness all over my Mac Book Pro! The Jameson, however, is safe and sound on my nightstand. :coolclick:

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Good assesment Shadow, I can live with that explination

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Glad you think it's a fair assessment. Finally we can mutually agree on something. ;D But Pabst Blue Ribbon still SUX!!!!

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you really must be joshing.......does any sane person out there really think Klit hits even 50% as hard as Big George??? Oh my God, go join a badm >:madinton forum or something.

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Exactly. It just shows how delusional most Klitshko fans are. ::**

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you really must be joshing.......does any sane person out there really think Klit hits even 50% as hard as Big George??? Oh my God, go join a badm >:madinton forum or something.

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Exactly. It just shows how delusional most Klitshko fans are. ::**

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Well Wladimir has 43 KO's in 47 wins and against guys who have never been stopped before.Wladimir has faced guys much bigger than the guys Foreman faced.Foreman faced more fighters that were under 210lbs than over that.Wladimir has only faced 1 fighter under 210lbs.The majority being over 230lbs.If Wladimir was facing guys that weighed under 200lbs there is no doubt he would have KO'd them all but as it is already only 4 of his wins have gone to the scorecards.

Think about it and then come up with a resonable explanation as to why Foreman punches 50% harder than Wladimir. ::** ???

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you really must be joshing.......does any sane person out there really think Klit hits even 50% as hard as Big George??? Oh my God, go join a badm >:madinton forum or something.

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Exactly. It just shows how delusional most Klitshko fans are. ::**

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Well Wladimir has 43 KO's in 47 wins and against guys who have never been stopped before.Wladimir has faced guys much bigger than the guys Foreman faced.Foreman faced more fighters that were under 210lbs than over that.Wladimir has only faced 1 fighter under 210lbs.The majority being over 230lbs.If Wladimir was facing guys that weighed under 200lbs there is no doubt he would have KO'd them all but as it is already only 4 of his wins have gone to the scorecards.

Think about it and then come up with a resonable explanation as to why Foreman punches 50% harder than Wladimir. ::** ???

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He devastated Joe Fraizer.And knocked out guys in arguably the greatest era of heavyweights ever. Wlad woulda shat himself against Fraizer, then been promptly knocked out.

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you really must be joshing.......does any sane person out there really think Klit hits even 50% as hard as Big George??? Oh my God, go join a badm >:madinton forum or something.

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Exactly. It just shows how delusional most Klitshko fans are. ::**

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Well Wladimir has 43 KO's in 47 wins and against guys who have never been stopped before.Wladimir has faced guys much bigger than the guys Foreman faced.Foreman faced more fighters that were under 210lbs than over that.Wladimir has only faced 1 fighter under 210lbs.The majority being over 230lbs.If Wladimir was facing guys that weighed under 200lbs there is no doubt he would have KO'd them all but as it is already only 4 of his wins have gone to the scorecards.

Think about it and then come up with a resonable explanation as to why Foreman punches 50% harder than Wladimir. ::** ???

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He devastated Joe Fraizer.And knocked out guys in arguably the greatest era of heavyweights ever. Wlad woulda shat himself against Fraizer, then been promptly knocked out.

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They were all small guys!Frazier was 5'11 and between 200 and 210lbs.Frazier could be knocked out just as easy as Wladimir in that fight the difference is height and reach for Wladimir.Wladimir is also a faster puncher than Foreman so I would give him a 75% chance to win that fight.

Let me tell all of you jokers on this forum that think Gerry Cooney was just some over-hyped white hope with no real skills, during his prime from 79-82, Cooney was a bona-fided killer with maybe the hardest left hook ever. He kinda telegraffed it, but would murder opponents when he caught them. Look what Cooney did to just past his prime Jimmy Young, cut him to ribbons in 4 rds, Young was covered in blood, and Young would fight on and lose close decisions to rising Heavyweights like Page, Tucker, and a few other big names,...but noboby destroyed him like Cooney. I met this guy in a gym back in Philly, he was a heavyweight boxer named Oliver, I can't recall his last name...well any way he was a black guy about 6'1 240 IBS with his nose all broken and crooked and he even had one calliflower ear, a good guy and we talked and he showed me pictures of himself in different training camps like Holmes before the Witherspoon fight, Carl THE TRUTH Williams, he said that Williams trainer the late Carmine Graziano would set you up by saying that "WHERE GONNA GO EASY TODAY AND WORK ON SOME THINGS"... and Williams would try to take your head off. And of course Mike Tyson in the Catskills, he told me Tyson would just kill his sparring partners, but on his rare bad day sparring, he said the sparring partners would try to get some pay-back. He told me that he would stay out late and that Cus D Amato would lock the doors at 10:00 every nite and would not open the doors for anyone, so Oliver would stand on the porch till 4:00am when Tyson rose to do his roadwork, and Mike would let him in. He told me he would ask Tyson to borrow money and that Mike would reach in his pockets and give him usually what ever he had on him, and that Tyson never would ask for it back.He also was in Mike Weaver traing camps, and he was in Cooneys training camp and he told me by far,...Cooney was the hardest puncher of them all, he told me his left hook was devastating, he saw Cooney sparring with 20oz gloves, he would be getting out boxed and then BOOOM!!! Cooney would land a left-hook and the guy would be out cold,.... 2o.oz gloves and all. The way he talked this happened alot. So Cooney was no joke, when he fought Spinks in 87 Cooney really had not fought in 5 yrs, and then he fought Foreman who had been fighting ever month for about 3 yrs straight. Cooney had not fought since Spinks in 87, not to mention Cooney looked like an old man, probably from abusing his body from drugs and alcohol for the past several years. But in his prime he had a left hook like a hand grenade. And I could see Wlad maybe stopping Cooney in the 8th or 9th rd...but I could see Cooney catching Wlad early and stopping him in the 1st or 2nd rd also. And as Forrest Gump would say "THATS ALL I'M GONNA SAY ABOUT THAT"

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Let me tell all of you jokers on this forum that think Gerry Cooney was just some over-hyped white hope with no real skills, during his prime from 79-82, Cooney was a bona-fided killer with maybe the hardest left hook ever. He kinda telegraffed it, but would murder opponents when he caught them. Look what Cooney did to just past his prime Jimmy Young, cut him to ribbons in 4 rds, Young was covered in blood, and Young would fight on and lose close decisions to rising Heavyweights like Page, Tucker, and a few other big names,...but noboby destroyed him like Cooney. I met this guy in a gym back in Philly, he was a heavyweight boxer named Oliver, I can't recall his last name...well any way he was a black guy about 6'1 240 IBS with his nose all broken and crooked and he even had one calliflower ear, a good guy and we talked and he showed me pictures of himself in different training camps like Holmes before the Witherspoon fight, Carl THE TRUTH Williams, he said that Williams trainer the late Carmine Graziano would set you up by saying that "WHERE GONNA GO EASY TODAY AND WORK ON SOME THINGS"... and Williams would try to take your head off. And of course Mike Tyson in the Catskills, he told me Tyson would just kill his sparring partners, but on his rare bad day sparring, he said the sparring partners would try to get some pay-back. He told me take he would stay out late and that Cus D Amato would lock the doors at 10:00 every nite and would not open the doors for anyone, so Oliver would stand on the porch till 4:00am when Tyson rose to do his roadwork, and Mike would let him in. He told me he would ask Tyson to borrow money and that Mike would reach in his pockets and give him usually what ever he had on him, and that Tyson never would ask for it back.He also was in Mike Weaver traing camps, and he was in Cooneys training camp and he told me by far,...Cooney was the hardest puncher of them all, he told me his left hook was devastating, he saw Cooney sparring with 20oz gloves, he would be getting out boxed and then BOOOM!!! Cooney would land a left-hook and the guy would be out cold,.... 2o.oz gloves and all. The way he talked this happened alot. So Cooney was no joke, when he fought Spinks in 87 Conney really had not fought in 5 yrs, and then he fought Foreman who had been fighting ever month for about 3 yrs straight. Cooney had not fought since Spinks in 87, not to mention Cooney looked like an old man, probably from abusing his body from drugs and alcohol for the past several years. But in his prime he had a left hook like a hand grenade. And I could see Wlad maybe stopping Cooney in the 8th or 9th rd...but I could see Cooney catching Wlad early and stopping him in the 1st or 2nd rd also. And as Forrest Gump would say "THATS ALL I'M GONNA SAY ABOUT THAT"

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I don't think he was a joke I just think Wladimir with his power has a better chance at knocking him out with his acurate left hook.Cooney of course has power and had the ability to knock out just about any heavyweight including Wladimir.I just believe Wladimir has the ability to stay away from those shots.Like always people revert to the chin issue of Wladimir, I don't think Wladimir's chin is as bad as some say.The only real knockdown he faced was against Sanders and he has a BIG punch.I really don't think Cooney could out point Wladimir so that really limits the way he can win.Cooney didn't have the best defense for the Left jab and Wladimir throws his very fast and with power.