Ben vs Mclellan Weird fight

I just watched this fight earlier today for the 1st time. It was a good fight. Both were landing and hurting each other but I thought Mcclellan was leading in the fight. And ended with Mcclellan quitting?

I can saw that he was a little dizzy and was basically blinking like he was trying to get his senses back while the ref was counting him out. I thought that he could have continued. However he didnt. What was that all about? Why in the world did Mcclellan quit? What happened to him ? What happened to Nigel Ben?

My friend just told me, it was a head butt that did Mcclelan? ??? ??? ??? ???

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Originally Posted by MrB

I just watched this fight earlier today for the 1st time. It was a good fight. Both were landing and hurting each other but I thought Mcclellan was leading in the fight. And ended with Mcclellan quitting?

I can saw that he was a little dizzy and was basically blinking like he was trying to get his senses back while the ref was counting him out. I thought that he could have continued. However he didnt. What was that all about? Why in the world did Mcclellan quit? What happened to him ? What happened to Nigel Ben?

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he could not continue any longer and he would of died

the headbutt did call him some problems it was unintentional i think cnt remember tht well but i think he had problems from much earlier than that he couldnt hold his gum shield in from very early in the fight

also i read in a book (war,baby by kevin mitchell) that mclellan wrapped his own hands tht night and the few other cases of this happening for a pro fight ended with tht fighter dieing or being injured severly i dont see the connection between the two

anyone know ?

One of the great fights of all time IMO, but one overshadowed by the tragedy surrounding it all. Very topsy turvy fight, great action...

I was at the fight.

I wouldn't call it wierd ....... it was the most brutal fight I have ever seen.

Benn would have beaten anyone in the world that night, including some heavies - he was possessed, a fanatic. I have never seen a man as pumped up as he was and I'm sure that he left something of himslef in the ring that night too.

Who knows what was going on inside McClellan's scrambled mind. I saw him backing off, blinking furiously and pushing his gumshield out like he could not breathe properly. It shames me to admit I booed him as he was counted out as I thought he had quit.

I paid £50 for my ticket to a fight, and I am still ashamed as I nearly was at a public execution.

(Still a great fight though)

Spooky, a taped it on a video right after Eubank-Watson II ???

I thought the darker fighter Nigel Ben that he was punished enough in the 1st round and survived. He basically went back into the ring like he wanted some more. All the while I can notice Mclelan sucking/spitting his mouthpiece? What was wrong with that? I find that odd.

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I thought the darker fighter Nigel Ben that he was punished enough in the 1st round and survived. He basically went back into the ring like he wanted some more. All the while I can notice Mclelan sucking/spitting his mouthpiece? What was wrong with that? I find that odd.

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The mans brain was bleeding,thats what was wrong with him!

Mc now has perminant brain damage.

No one care to mention mclellan was brain damaged and started to loose his sight during the fight....

A fair reason to take the count on a knee if you ask me ;)

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Originally Posted by Tito_BHB

No one care to mention mclellan was brain damaged and started to loose his sight during the fight....

A fair reason to take the count on a knee if you ask me ;)

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I know, and I will always feel shame about my reaction.
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Originally Posted by Tito_BHB

No one care to mention mclellan was brain damaged and started to loose his sight during the fight....

A fair reason to take the count on a knee if you ask me ;)

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I know, and I will always feel shame about my reaction.
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You weren't to know what was going on.

I was in a similar situation this year watching Jamie Moore and Matty Macklin, when the KO came all the Salford Boys were going wild for Jamie, it took them a while to calm down and realise the seriousness of it all but they weren't to know either

Thankfully Macklin was okay but a few of those lads might have felt the same as yourself afterwards no doubt

I saw the fight a couple years after it happened but never knew that he was injured in the way he was...
I thought there was something wrong with it definately..To have took a count on his knee and be taken out on a stretcher completely bewildered me..
Tell you something though..Benn was a wild man..Ive seen him spark out people something horrific...
Gerald must have had a mad chin on him

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

he could not continue any longer and he would of died

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Hate to be cruel but he may have been better off

The fight should have been stopped when Benn got his ass kicked in the 1st round

Also I believe rabbit punches from Benn as well as McClellan's hard sparring led to his disability

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Originally Posted by Tito_BHB

Tell you something though..Benn was a wild man..Ive seen him spark out people something horrific...

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I know him to nod at, and he is one scary individual.

A true hard man you would prefer to fight in the ring than on the street.

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

he could not continue any longer and he would of died

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Hate to be cruel but he may have been better off

The fight should have been stopped when Benn got his ass kicked in the 1st round

Also I believe rabbit punches from Benn as well as McClellan's hard sparring led to his disability

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Your right. If it wasn't for that bias ass referee Benn would not of gotten out of that first round. That joke of a ref, Benn's illegal rabbit punches and dirty head butts are the reason McClellan is the way he is.

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

he could not continue any longer and he would of died

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Hate to be cruel but he may have been better off

The fight should have been stopped when Benn got his ass kicked in the 1st round

Also I believe rabbit punches from Benn as well as McClellan's hard sparring led to his disability

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Lol quite true..He got knocked through the ropes if i remember right...
In fact!! Its was the press row that actually helped him back in!! lol

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

he could not continue any longer and he would of died

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Hate to be cruel but he may have been better off

The fight should have been stopped when Benn got his ass kicked in the 1st round

Also I believe rabbit punches from Benn as well as McClellan's hard sparring led to his disability

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Lol quite true..He got knocked through the ropes if i remember right...
In fact!! Its was the press row that actually helped him back in!! lol

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He never would of made it back in if it wasn't for press row. That fight should of ended in the first round. Benn was given every chance possible and than some. The ref pulled McClellan off Benn so many times it was ridiculous. And for no reason at all but to give Benn time to recover. McClellan was not going to leave England the winner. Not matter what. It was going to be prevented. This was a straight ambush. If Benn was any kind of man he would not consider this a win.

lyle u are spot on at the time i picked g-man by 1 round ko and in my opinion he got it!!!
rest is history

i think as i said at the time g-man by ko in first round i think he got it but bad ref .......... and the rest is history
huge heart shown by benn tho
wot do u guys think

I think it's best to actually watch fights before you comment on them

that way you can save yourself from looking like a complete and utter moron.

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

he could not continue any longer and he would of died

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Hate to be cruel but he may have been better off

The fight should have been stopped when Benn got his a** kicked in the 1st round

Also I believe rabbit punches from Benn as well as McClellan's hard sparring led to his disability

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Lol quite true..He got knocked through the ropes if i remember right...
In fact!! Its was the press row that actually helped him back in!! lol

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He never would of made it back in if it wasn't for press row. That fight should of ended in the first round. Benn was given every chance possible and than some. The ref pulled McClellan off Benn so many times it was ridiculous. And for no reason at all but to give Benn time to recover. McClellan was not going to leave England the winner. Not matter what. It was going to be prevented. This was a straight ambush. If Benn was any kind of man he would not consider this a win.

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The Press didn't help him get into the ring at all, the camera is right there as Benn pulls himself up on his own, yes there was a dodgy ref but he was French and i doubt he would knowingly help a British fighter win, he was just crap. And that last part is just pathetic VD, i don't see you fighting you arse off showing enormous heart in an all time great fight so he's more of a man than you'll ever be. Perhaps it could have stopped in the first, it wasnt and thats history - deal with it

Your right 1-hit, nobody helped him back into the ring. Listening to some people on here its like they get information 3rd hand off someone down the local.

McClellan was brought over to KOd Nigel make no mistake, they wanted Benn out of it for asking for to much money. Ben was not supposed to win.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

He never would of made it back in if it wasn't for press row. That fight should of ended in the first round.

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Some people should rewatch the following footage. Benn goes down no doubting that, press row put up their hands (defence mechanism) as they do anywhere else in the world and Benn climbs back into the ring unassisted before the count reaches ten. American commentary too, none of that terribly biased British stuff.

The referee is fussy, no doubting that, but to be honest did he really help Benn THAT much? Benn was looking after himself pretty well considering the shelling he was getting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oy4ahdtiks8
(doesnt seem to want to be embedded?)

Geez some of you fwokers are a bit temperamental...

Ok..So benn may not have been helped back in like i had previously thought..
Either i had just been under that impression from the press row...
Or its a different fight in which someone was knocked through the ropes and helped back in...

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he could not continue any longer and he would of died

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Hate to be cruel but he may have been better off

The fight should have been stopped when Benn got his a** kicked in the 1st round

Also I believe rabbit punches from Benn as well as McClellan's hard sparring led to his disability

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Lol quite true..He got knocked through the ropes if i remember right...
In fact!! Its was the press row that actually helped him back in!! lol

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He never would of made it back in if it wasn't for press row. That fight should of ended in the first round. Benn was given every chance possible and than some. The ref pulled McClellan off Benn so many times it was ridiculous. And for no reason at all but to give Benn time to recover. McClellan was not going to leave England the winner. Not matter what. It was going to be prevented. This was a straight ambush. If Benn was any kind of man he would not consider this a win.

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At least get your facts right before you go building huge conspiracy theories on top of them. :nono:

Referee was crap, but if there was a fix in place it was for the G-man to get rid of Benn.

Having watched the fight, I don't think you can cast any aspersions on what sort of man Nigel Benn is. >:mad

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he could not continue any longer and he would of died

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Hate to be cruel but he may have been better off

The fight should have been stopped when Benn got his a** kicked in the 1st round

Also I believe rabbit punches from Benn as well as McClellan's hard sparring led to his disability

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Lol quite true..He got knocked through the ropes if i remember right...
In fact!! Its was the press row that actually helped him back in!! lol

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He never would of made it back in if it wasn't for press row. That fight should of ended in the first round. Benn was given every chance possible and than some. The ref pulled McClellan off Benn so many times it was ridiculous. And for no reason at all but to give Benn time to recover. McClellan was not going to leave England the winner. Not matter what. It was going to be prevented. This was a straight ambush. If Benn was any kind of man he would not consider this a win.

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At least get your facts right before you go building huge conspiracy theories on top of them. :nono:

Referee was crap, but if there was a fix in place it was for the G-man to get rid of Benn.

Having watched the fight, I don't think you can cast any aspersions on what sort of man Nigel Benn is. >:mad

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I aint never said one thing about what kind of man the dark destroyer is..
So what people make mistakes..But i say one thing and all these cats try get up my ass with theyr snide comments and whatnot..
What did i hurt someones feelings..Get over it...I RARELY make mistake..Give a brother a break..

Its not so much you Tito, everyone gets it wrong every once in a while and your posts are usually very knowledgable. Its Viloent D who's being the arsehole.

And just so that its clear :sadclick: for you VD

VD doesnt like anything or anyone that is british. Thought you guys would have realised this by now. He is best being ignored as his opinions are not worth shit to anyone who doesnt live in his little make believe world where he is king!

Great fight and has everything that is good and bad in Boxing.

and spot on Scrap ;)

The commontater even states that you get a little extra time if you end up through the ropes ;)
GM was telling the world he was gonna put nige in hospital and was flying with 14 first round ko's or thereabouts come fight night.
Brutal brutal fight that one and one of the best i have seen in a UK ring.
Amazing stuff from both fighters.

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he could not continue any longer and he would of died

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Hate to be cruel but he may have been better off

The fight should have been stopped when Benn got his a** kicked in the 1st round

Also I believe rabbit punches from Benn as well as McClellan's hard sparring led to his disability

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Lol quite true..He got knocked through the ropes if i remember right...
In fact!! Its was the press row that actually helped him back in!! lol

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He never would of made it back in if it wasn't for press row. That fight should of ended in the first round. Benn was given every chance possible and than some. The ref pulled McClellan off Benn so many times it was ridiculous. And for no reason at all but to give Benn time to recover. McClellan was not going to leave England the winner. Not matter what. It was going to be prevented. This was a straight ambush. If Benn was any kind of man he would not consider this a win.

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At least get your facts right before you go building huge conspiracy theories on top of them. :nono:

Referee was crap, but if there was a fix in place it was for the G-man to get rid of Benn.

Having watched the fight, I don't think you can cast any aspersions on what sort of man Nigel Benn is. >:mad

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I aint never said one thing about what kind of man the dark destroyer is..
So what people make mistakes..But i say one thing and all these cats try get up my a** with theyr snide comments and whatnot..
What did i hurt someones feelings..Get over it...I RARELY make mistake..Give a brother a break..

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I'm not criticising you Tito, you always have a reasonable point of view (I may not always agree, but I can usually see your point). I know you didn't say anything about what kind of man Nigel Benn is ......... I was having a pop at VD who regularly regurgitates bullshit and parcels it up as wise words (or, at least, 'street slang' that he saw in a movie somewhere).

So you just made a mistake about the press pushing him back in (big deal, I make bigger mistakes than that when I post, I'm sure). VD however had decided that on his planet that constitues a conspiracy and that G-Man really won in the first - a barmy proposition if ever I heard one - and Benn is somehow inadequate as a human being.

A cc to Tito, one of my favourite posters

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Originally Posted by Fenster

I think it's best to actually watch fights before you comment on them

that way you can save yourself from looking like a complete and utter moron.

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That doesn't work for me Fenster.

I still look like a complete and utter moron, even after watching the fights.

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he could not continue any longer and he would of died

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Hate to be cruel but he may have been better off

The fight should have been stopped when Benn got his a** kicked in the 1st round

Also I believe rabbit punches from Benn as well as McClellan's hard sparring led to his disability

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Lol quite true..He got knocked through the ropes if i remember right...
In fact!! Its was the press row that actually helped him back in!! lol

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He never would of made it back in if it wasn't for press row. That fight should of ended in the first round. Benn was given every chance possible and than some. The ref pulled McClellan off Benn so many times it was ridiculous. And for no reason at all but to give Benn time to recover. McClellan was not going to leave England the winner. Not matter what. It was going to be prevented. This was a straight ambush. If Benn was any kind of man he would not consider this a win.

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Agreed My Friend a real Black Eye on the sport that gets Vaunted as some superhuman performance... I cant in my own mind see it, Nigel got so many chances that night, anyfighter could have peformed on that level if they were giving the same opportunities.. He should of been named Nigel "The Cat" Benn since he got about 9 lives

Just like Violent stated and its undisputable footage that the Ref pulled Gerald of of Benn on a few ocassions for no reason, Benn was not able to intelligently defend himself in the 1st round he was falling thru the ropes taking punches with his hands down....THATS A TKO!!!! not to mention the rabbit punches and Butts.. At one point you can here Ferdie Pacheco in the 1st round "What is this ref doing? Why is he Holding back McClellan?"

Gerald was the true warrior that nite.. Despite all the unfair advantages and a whole country and Ref against him he Damn near layed down his life to overcome those odds...He just came up short I cant think of another fighter that could have hung in there just as long...

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

He never would of made it back in if it wasn't for press row. That fight should of ended in the first round.

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Some people should rewatch the following footage. Benn goes down no doubting that, press row put up their hands (defence mechanism) as they do anywhere else in the world and Benn climbs back into the ring unassisted before the count reaches ten. American commentary too, none of that terribly biased British stuff.

The referee is fussy, no doubting that, but to be honest did he really help Benn THAT much? Benn was looking after himself pretty well considering the shelling he was getting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oy4ahdtiks8
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How many punches did Benn land in the first? 3 at the most. He was ready to go through out the whole round. But for some reason the ref just had to separate them. Not once, not twice. Hell no even three times. 5 times! For no reason at all. Anybody who's ever boxed before knows a second or two is all it takes for a fighter to get knocked out. For a ref to deny a fighter the chance to deliver the knock out blow 5 times is ridiculous. So yes he really did help Benn that much.

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Originally Posted by RHHatton

VD doesnt like anything or anyone that is british. Thought you guys would have realised this by now. He is best being ignored as his opinions are not worth shit to anyone who doesnt live in his little make believe world where he is king!

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Who's this clown?

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Originally Posted by 1-hit Wonder

Its not so much you Tito, everyone gets it wrong every once in a while and your posts are usually very knowledgable. Its Viloent D who's being the arsehole.

And just so that its clear :sadclick: for you VD

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Damn not another sc.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

I think it's best to actually watch fights before you comment on them

that way you can save yourself from looking like a complete and utter moron.

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That doesn't work for me Fenster.

I still look like a complete and utter moron, even after watching the fights.

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At least you know what you are

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Originally Posted by Fenster

I think it's best to actually watch fights before you comment on them

that way you can save yourself from looking like a complete and utter moron.

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I think I have demonstrated that I'm a pretty educated and balanced poster.. ;)

I can guarnatee I have seen the fight more than most of the people commenting on this thread.. I watched it numerous times around the time the fight took place and had Ice Cold Boxing dig it up for me over the summer and have watched it another 5x or so and came to the same conclusion i did 11 years ago.. I even had a friend at work that is a casual fan who didnt remember the fight, watch it and I asked him what he thought, he said that Benn got away with alot and the ref was garbage to the point were he impacted that fight 100% ...

Difference of opinion is one thing but name calling and condecending and terse remarks are unesscesary..

its all or nothing with the opinions of that particular fight.. It was either the Heroic effort of a lifetime for Benn or the biggest Screw Job in the past 30 years for McClellan all depending on who you talk to, there is no middle ground on this one, never has been ;)

:coolclick: I got your back on this one VD my Brutha... Again to BBQ someone for difference of opinion on such a controversial fight is ridiculous... This aint about Hate for a fighter or preference, I liked Nigel Benns destructive ways in the ring he was exciting to watch, but its about whats right and The video dosent Lie, its an undisputable fact that Gerald was fighting 3 men in the ring that nite... If that happened to Benn, Eubank, Calzaghe or even Hatton the British boxing fan would be just as upset!!!!

But lets forget about the personal feelings for the combatants, but about whats right

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lyle u are spot on at the time i picked g-man by 1 round ko and in my opinion he got it!!!
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Benn won cos he had more of a heart

benn got from what i remember 9 seconds rest in total when ref pulled them apart it didnt really make no difference gman battered him he survived and comeback and started winning yes maybe ref shouldnt of pulled them apart few times but it made no real difference imo anyway

and ps you see my post count has gone loads :( i will never catch wacko now :P

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

benn got from what i remember 9 seconds rest in total when ref pulled them apart it didnt really make no difference gman battered him he survived and comeback and started winning yes maybe ref shouldnt of pulled them apart few times but it made no real difference

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Sure it does!!!!!!! ICB I can tell you 1st hand even when I have sparred I been buzzed and a second or two makes a world of diference in recovery time whether your trying to survive or going for the KO, when your on Queer street a second feels like eternity