which style of fighting is most practicle in a real fight.

i've only ever studied boxing. i find it works good just as long as i'm on my feet.

Having skills in

A) boxing or kickboxing

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B) wrestling or judo

make you one bad ass dude.

Probably boxing, in my opinion. Wrestling and Judo and BJJ are good, but in a real fight, you have to worry about other people. The ground arts leave you too prone to being stomped by people, while boxing will let you fend them off and hopefully drop them quickly to move on to the next.

I've posted extensivley on self defence and real fighting previously. In short a striking art such as boxing and a support system such as judo if it gets in close will basically own everything else. If you are proficient in boxing and judo it covers pretty much every range.

There is so much more to self defence though. Awareness, body language, loop holing. Ive studied and practiced Judo and self defence concepts for years. Here is a post i made on it quite some time ago. Its in response to another post so it may seem a little out of context.

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Can't believe no-one has mentioned Judo. Its pressure tested (competition), is adaptable and is widely known and recognised as the best support system in a fight should the fight get close in. Its what a lot of doorman train in. Geoff Thompson (Renowned self protection expert and ex doorman) says judo is the best kept secret in martial arts. I know dan grades that work the doors and they literally OWN every confrontation they find themselves in. Wing Chun is the biggest pile of shyte going (sorry all you wingchunners) I sparred full contact with a Wing Chun red sash and had him submitting 2 times in a couple of mins from two chokes. The 3rd time i threw him on the deck with a bastardised osotogari (grabbing the trachea and powering through) and funnily enough he didn't fancy anymore. Plus their strikes carry zero power (they punch fresh air in training) and under stressful conditions they recall sod all of their fancy straight line punches. The punches carry no weight and are only arm/shoulder punches. Catching a couple on the way in is akin to being hit by a spud gun. (well thats my opinion anyway)

Self defence is so much more than learning to strike. Its all about awareness, situational control, body language, posturing.

I train in Judo (dan grade) and Combatives which is just that. Urban combat. We train to strike pre emptively and cover all bases of combat.We also train eye gouging, biting and all manner of nasty stuff (of course we can't train gouging, biting full contact!!) Judo is my support system.

My advice? Train 3 or 4 pre emptive strikes and drill them until they are second nature.Use correct body mechanics (you will need a teacher for this...dont bother with books). Learn to hit fukcing hard and hit first. When you are faced with a real situation and adrenaline is a factor all your learned fancy training and targetting will go out the window. You will rely on a few gross motor strikes. Judo is the best support system because it is pressure tested in competition. Forget BJJ...if you go to the ground in a bar you are IN THE S*** and someone (anyone...not even someone involved in the altercation) will feel the need to play football with your head.

Look up F.A.S.T training. Fear and Adrenal Stress Training. A lot of martial artsist have had a bit of a shock when attending on of these courses. Suddenly their Karate 'death punches' don't do S*** under the infuelnce of adrenaline.

In summary train strikes (3 or 4)...my suggestion. Elbow,Hammerfist,tiger claw palm strike (you don't want to hit a skull with bare knuckles..learning open hand strikes will allow you to employ continuous attack rather than F****** your hand with the first punch) and chinjab.Traing them hard with full agression and if possible get your training partner to simualte adrenaline by calling you all sorts of names,getting in your face, spitting at you. Then train them pre-emptively hitting the pad with 110% agression and with all the force you can muster. We are looking for a one punch knockout here if that doesn't happen you wan't contiunous attack until the threat has gone.Basically its all about fighting until there is f*ck all to fight about. Combatives is not a two way conversation...its a one sided f*cking beating.

Choose Judo as your support system should the fight get in close. It teaches you weight displacement and body mechanics. Enabling you to get back into a position to win the fight from a standup. Also you can slam the c*nt into the deck. Ever been thrown on concrete from a judoka? You aint getting up.

Minsdet also plays a huge part in self defence. Train agression 110% when you train. You need to be able to flick a swtich in your head and be at 110% agression and fight until the very end.

Self defence/urban combat regardless of art is 80% aggression 20% technique. Ever seen squaddies (soldiers) fight? They are some of the most ferocious fighters i have ever seen yet they hardly have any formal training. Yet their mindset is second to none for out and out aggression.

Thats my two penneth anyway.

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Glad to see Judo is well respected, started out a couple of months ago and am now an orange belt ;D

Got into it through my Dad who was brown belt N.Ireland champ before he fucked up his knee. Used to run a dojo (2nd Dan by that time, no brown belt runs a dojo) but just as i got old enough to do it shut down. Fucking typical.

Best part about judo is it requires FIGHTS to progress. If your shit you aint going anywhere. You have to really train. I remember first day i went in, was trashing fellow begginers who were bigger than me so i was naturally a bit proud. Instructer says ok go in with this guy, im like wtf he's about 15 years old. So we start stand up work, guy completely kicked my ass even though he was much smaller and weaker than me. Did that move where you grab them and roll back and kick them over their head (cant remember its name). Shows that using your opponents wait against them really does bring concrete results

oh yeah and :coolclick: to all on this thread, i agree with you about striking combined with judo will pretty much sort you out. Muy Thai would be useful as a striking art aswell i would of thought

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I remember first day i went in, was trashing fellow begginers who were bigger than me so i was naturally a bit proud. Instructer says ok go in with this guy, im like wtf he's about 15 years old. So we start stand up work, guy completely kicked my a** even though he was much smaller and weaker than me. Did that move where you grab them and roll back and kick them over their head (cant remember its name).

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Tomoe nage! Come on mate know your terminology. Only kidding. You an 8th Kyu (bottom orange) or 7th Kyu (top orange)?

Re getting your a*** kicked by the younger chaps. I remember when i fisrts started years ago and being a young yellow belt was asked to do randori with a female blue belt. I thought 'he he he she's gonna get ragged something rotten here'. She was small and looked weak.

15 secs into randori she throws me flat on my back 'hard' for ippon sienoge. I think i was taking it a bit easy on her though ;D

Munky, would have been easier to punch her on the jaw? ;D

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You know your problem missy?...You're just too violent :)

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I remember first day i went in, was trashing fellow begginers who were bigger than me so i was naturally a bit proud. Instructer says ok go in with this guy, im like wtf he's about 15 years old. So we start stand up work, guy completely kicked my a** even though he was much smaller and weaker than me. Did that move where you grab them and roll back and kick them over their head (cant remember its name).

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http://www.judoclic.com/tomoe.jpg

Tomoe nage! Come on mate know your terminology. Only kidding. You an 8th Kyu (bottom orange) or 7th Kyu (top orange)?

Re getting your a*** kicked by the younger chaps. I remember when i fisrts started years ago and being a young yellow belt was asked to do randori with a female blue belt. I thought 'he he he she's gonna get ragged something rotten here'. She was small and looked weak.

15 secs into randori she throws me flat on my back 'hard' for ippon sienoge. I think i was taking it a bit easy on her though ;D

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Im 8th Kyu, not much but then hey it takes time to climb up the ranks, which wont be for a while see as im out the country. Your right about my terminology, im absolutely crap at it, taken me two months to finally memorise and pronouce Okuri ashi harai properly. Really have to brush up on my terminology when i get back to the UK, gradings above my own wont be so lenient when i look a little clueless as to the instructions (then look to my dad who gestures what to do hehe, ive actually got it down to a pretty fine art i reckon ::**).

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I've posted extensivley on self defence and real fighting previously. In short a striking art such as boxing and a support system such as judo if it gets in close will basically own everything else. If you are proficient in boxing and judo it covers pretty much every range.

There is so much more to self defence though. Awareness, body language, loop holing. Ive studied and practiced Judo and self defence concepts for years. Here is a post i made on it quite some time ago. Its in response to another post so it may seem a little out of context.

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Can't believe no-one has mentioned Judo. Its pressure tested (competition), is adaptable and is widely known and recognised as the best support system in a fight should the fight get close in. Its what a lot of doorman train in. Geoff Thompson (Renowned self protection expert and ex doorman) says judo is the best kept secret in martial arts. I know dan grades that work the doors and they literally OWN every confrontation they find themselves in. Wing Chun is the biggest pile of shyte going (sorry all you wingchunners) I sparred full contact with a Wing Chun red sash and had him submitting 2 times in a couple of mins from two chokes. The 3rd time i threw him on the deck with a bastardised osotogari (grabbing the trachea and powering through) and funnily enough he didn't fancy anymore. Plus their strikes carry zero power (they punch fresh air in training) and under stressful conditions they recall sod all of their fancy straight line punches. The punches carry no weight and are only arm/shoulder punches. Catching a couple on the way in is akin to being hit by a spud gun. (well thats my opinion anyway)

Self defence is so much more than learning to strike. Its all about awareness, situational control, body language, posturing.

I train in Judo (dan grade) and Combatives which is just that. Urban combat. We train to strike pre emptively and cover all bases of combat.We also train eye gouging, biting and all manner of nasty stuff (of course we can't train gouging, biting full contact!!) Judo is my support system.

My advice? Train 3 or 4 pre emptive strikes and drill them until they are second nature.Use correct body mechanics (you will need a teacher for this...dont bother with books). Learn to hit fukcing hard and hit first. When you are faced with a real situation and adrenaline is a factor all your learned fancy training and targetting will go out the window. You will rely on a few gross motor strikes. Judo is the best support system because it is pressure tested in competition. Forget BJJ...if you go to the ground in a bar you are IN THE S*** and someone (anyone...not even someone involved in the altercation) will feel the need to play football with your head.

Look up F.A.S.T training. Fear and Adrenal Stress Training. A lot of martial artsist have had a bit of a shock when attending on of these courses. Suddenly their Karate 'death punches' don't do S*** under the infuelnce of adrenaline.

In summary train strikes (3 or 4)...my suggestion. Elbow,Hammerfist,tiger claw palm strike (you don't want to hit a skull with bare knuckles..learning open hand strikes will allow you to employ continuous attack rather than F****** your hand with the first punch) and chinjab.Traing them hard with full agression and if possible get your training partner to simualte adrenaline by calling you all sorts of names,getting in your face, spitting at you. Then train them pre-emptively hitting the pad with 110% agression and with all the force you can muster. We are looking for a one punch knockout here if that doesn't happen you wan't contiunous attack until the threat has gone.Basically its all about fighting until there is f*ck all to fight about. Combatives is not a two way conversation...its a one sided f*cking beating.

Choose Judo as your support system should the fight get in close. It teaches you weight displacement and body mechanics. Enabling you to get back into a position to win the fight from a standup. Also you can slam the c*nt into the deck. Ever been thrown on concrete from a judoka? You aint getting up.

Minsdet also plays a huge part in self defence. Train agression 110% when you train. You need to be able to flick a swtich in your head and be at 110% agression and fight until the very end.

Self defence/urban combat regardless of art is 80% aggression 20% technique. Ever seen squaddies (soldiers) fight? They are some of the most ferocious fighters i have ever seen yet they hardly have any formal training. Yet their mindset is second to none for out and out aggression.

Thats my two penneth anyway.

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you know me... I've come to really respect judo, but I saw this one vid of greco roman wrestling and hot dang, those guys had some pretty wicked awesome throws too. I never knew that about wrestlers. I thought is was just touch, touch, touch, go for a take done. But they were some pretty nasty belly-belly suplexes I guess you'd call them. Obviously the submissions aren't there though...

boxing and wrestiling i dont think explanation is needed

BTW, Munky's response was in a thread I started on this very same topic. It's why I started boxing, and how I became interested in judo. 8)

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I've posted extensivley on self defence and real fighting previously. In short a striking art such as boxing and a support system such as judo if it gets in close will basically own everything else. If you are proficient in boxing and judo it covers pretty much every range.

There is so much more to self defence though. Awareness, body language, loop holing. Ive studied and practiced Judo and self defence concepts for years. Here is a post i made on it quite some time ago. Its in response to another post so it may seem a little out of context.

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Can't believe no-one has mentioned Judo. Its pressure tested (competition), is adaptable and is widely known and recognised as the best support system in a fight should the fight get close in. Its what a lot of doorman train in. Geoff Thompson (Renowned self protection expert and ex doorman) says judo is the best kept secret in martial arts. I know dan grades that work the doors and they literally OWN every confrontation they find themselves in. Wing Chun is the biggest pile of shyte going (sorry all you wingchunners) I sparred full contact with a Wing Chun red sash and had him submitting 2 times in a couple of mins from two chokes. The 3rd time i threw him on the deck with a bastardised osotogari (grabbing the trachea and powering through) and funnily enough he didn't fancy anymore. Plus their strikes carry zero power (they punch fresh air in training) and under stressful conditions they recall sod all of their fancy straight line punches. The punches carry no weight and are only arm/shoulder punches. Catching a couple on the way in is akin to being hit by a spud gun. (well thats my opinion anyway)

Self defence is so much more than learning to strike. Its all about awareness, situational control, body language, posturing.

I train in Judo (dan grade) and Combatives which is just that. Urban combat. We train to strike pre emptively and cover all bases of combat.We also train eye gouging, biting and all manner of nasty stuff (of course we can't train gouging, biting full contact!!) Judo is my support system.

My advice? Train 3 or 4 pre emptive strikes and drill them until they are second nature.Use correct body mechanics (you will need a teacher for this...dont bother with books). Learn to hit fukcing hard and hit first. When you are faced with a real situation and adrenaline is a factor all your learned fancy training and targetting will go out the window. You will rely on a few gross motor strikes. Judo is the best support system because it is pressure tested in competition. Forget BJJ...if you go to the ground in a bar you are IN THE S*** and someone (anyone...not even someone involved in the altercation) will feel the need to play football with your head.

Look up F.A.S.T training. Fear and Adrenal Stress Training. A lot of martial artsist have had a bit of a shock when attending on of these courses. Suddenly their Karate 'death punches' don't do S*** under the infuelnce of adrenaline.

In summary train strikes (3 or 4)...my suggestion. Elbow,Hammerfist,tiger claw palm strike (you don't want to hit a skull with bare knuckles..learning open hand strikes will allow you to employ continuous attack rather than F****** your hand with the first punch) and chinjab.Traing them hard with full agression and if possible get your training partner to simualte adrenaline by calling you all sorts of names,getting in your face, spitting at you. Then train them pre-emptively hitting the pad with 110% agression and with all the force you can muster. We are looking for a one punch knockout here if that doesn't happen you wan't contiunous attack until the threat has gone.Basically its all about fighting until there is f*ck all to fight about. Combatives is not a two way conversation...its a one sided f*cking beating.

Choose Judo as your support system should the fight get in close. It teaches you weight displacement and body mechanics. Enabling you to get back into a position to win the fight from a standup. Also you can slam the c*nt into the deck. Ever been thrown on concrete from a judoka? You aint getting up.

Minsdet also plays a huge part in self defence. Train agression 110% when you train. You need to be able to flick a swtich in your head and be at 110% agression and fight until the very end.

Self defence/urban combat regardless of art is 80% aggression 20% technique. Ever seen squaddies (soldiers) fight? They are some of the most ferocious fighters i have ever seen yet they hardly have any formal training. Yet their mindset is second to none for out and out aggression.

Thats my two penneth anyway.

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you know me... I've come to really respect judo, but I saw this one vid of greco roman wrestling and hot dang, those guys had some pretty wicked awesome throws too. I never knew that about wrestlers. I thought is was just touch, touch, touch, go for a take done. But they were some pretty nasty belly-belly suplexes I guess you'd call them. Obviously the submissions aren't there though...

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I go to another class with a fella from eastern europe who did greco roman wrestling. Fookin hell he is one tough bastard. We always have a laugh when we spar. Granted its got some huge slam type things going on and looks awesome. Those are fight enders right there!

Mongolian Wrestling must be pretty effective.

I mean they did conquer all the known world at the time.

I found Jeet Kune Do about 12 years ago and have trained off and on over that time... JKD makes you profecient in all ranges of combat. Boxing, Trapping, Kicking, Grappling... Nice thing is you adapt to the opponent, instead of a punch in the face I might utilize a finger jab to the eye or open palm strike to the face its very versatile and utilizes useful attributes of other martial arts.. But the nice thing is it stresses defense and getting hit very little in return... theres so much that it entails, this is the school I belong too check out the link and more indepth explanation

www.psdtc.com

I would have to give it to Boxing, Jujitsu...and i have much love for all arts of combat...these are very practicle and effective...

However, i know a few practitioners of Hapkido, and they really don't waste much time breaking bones and connecting with pressure points...A friend of mine, tried his best to not fight with a fellow who had road rage...the man made a move, within seconds my buddy busted his forearm, it actually made a bang like a gun...bad stuff

is hapkido the style that steven segul uses in his flicks

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I found Jeet Kune Do about 12 years ago and have trained off and on over that time... JKD makes you profecient in all ranges of combat. Boxing, Trapping, Kicking, Grappling... Nice thing is you adapt to the opponent, instead of a punch in the face I might utilize a finger jab to the eye or open palm strike to the face its very versatile and utilizes useful attributes of other martial arts.. But the nice thing is it stresses defense and getting hit very little in return... theres so much that it entails, this is the school I belong too check out the link and more indepth explanation

www.psdtc.com

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thing is as I get older I think arts like silat come in to their own, we don't stay young bucks for long in this life, I want I system I can use when I'm 80 ;)

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I found Jeet Kune Do about 12 years ago and have trained off and on over that time... JKD makes you profecient in all ranges of combat. Boxing, Trapping, Kicking, Grappling... Nice thing is you adapt to the opponent, instead of a punch in the face I might utilize a finger jab to the eye or open palm strike to the face its very versatile and utilizes useful attributes of other martial arts.. But the nice thing is it stresses defense and getting hit very little in return... theres so much that it entails, this is the school I belong too check out the link and more indepth explanation

www.psdtc.com

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thing is as I get older I think arts like silat come in to their own, we don't stay young bucks for long in this life, I want I system I can use when I'm 80 ;)

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Blimey Missy thats 25 years away yet love. Time to develop an effective art for the OAP generation

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I found Jeet Kune Do about 12 years ago and have trained off and on over that time... JKD makes you profecient in all ranges of combat. Boxing, Trapping, Kicking, Grappling... Nice thing is you adapt to the opponent, instead of a punch in the face I might utilize a finger jab to the eye or open palm strike to the face its very versatile and utilizes useful attributes of other martial arts.. But the nice thing is it stresses defense and getting hit very little in return... theres so much that it entails, this is the school I belong too check out the link and more indepth explanation

www.psdtc.com

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thing is as I get older I think arts like silat come in to their own, we don't stay young bucks for long in this life, I want I system I can use when I'm 80 ;)

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Good point!! I think if I remember reading some posts of yours a few months back and if memory serves me correct, you do practice Filipino Martial Arts... Silat, Kali, Dumog... My instructor has his own system of Filipino MA called Kun Tao Dumpag.. I'll get you the link he is also a certified instructor of JKD and Inosanto Kali, under Dan Inosanto of course ;) also teaches and practices Pekiti Tirsia Kali under Grand Tuhon Leo T. Gaje Jr

Here is a link on Kun Tao Dumpag... Most FMA people find it a good read, there is also a forum if you have ideas or techniques you want to share about the FMA'S from personal experiences or just sharing your knowledge...

http://www.psdtc.com/KunTao/

i was watchin some judo clips on youtube and it looks very fancy

Fancy?

Munky when I'm 80 I'll have a dozen pitbulls to protect me.

JT I used to. With Dave Carnell whose instructors were Chris Kent and Cass Magda. From what I've read my old school has taken on bjj and the like and started to go in to comps. Things like jkd are not suited to rules, not saying that like that 'art' is so bad we daren't use it only you can't bite, scratch, fish hook, hit the balls, eye gouge which are things meant for self defence not tournaments. Back in the day I know a few of the lads went to those geoff thompson animals days. I also don't see the point in stick fighting comps, some of the ideas of the dog brothers were sound but again, you aren't going to be wearing head protection in the street

Anyone ever see "A History of Violence"?

The fighting that Viggo Mortensen uses in it is what I aspire to be. ;D

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No..thats Aikido..not Hapkido...very very different...

either way that shit's useless. like someone is just going to hand over thier arm or hand or whatever.

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either way that S***'s useless. like someone is just going to hand over thier arm or hand or whatever.

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no argument...

at the same time..."Most" non-skilled fighters are the ones wanting to fight in the first place. Anyone with a real backround of a discipline...isn't interested in dishing a punishment, unless forced upon...Then you actually do have a pretty decent chance of finishing your "non-skilled" opponent with a finishing blow...

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Remember Von to obtain pain compliance or joint destructions you have to create a distraction whether its intercepting the fist, parrying or deflecting set up mutiple combos depending on were the sequence flows...

example: if you attempted to punch me and I deflected with my right and simotaneously fingerjabbed you with my left to your eye, quickly grabbed your wrist with my right and then uppercutted your already hyper-extended elbow with my own elbow you are already such a mess that a 5 year old could grab your wrist and make you comply ;D and thats just one possible scenario out of 1000's or it works well if someone grabs you, your shirt there are countless ways and styles.. I prefer the FMA's myself and as I been thinking it over for the past year, I might forgo the JKD and MMA aspirations and concentrate on the FMA's but I feel at 31 I still have a long time to go in MA's so I have time to do it all essentially but work is a heavy constraint on my time and growth :-\

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either way that S***'s useless. like someone is just going to hand over thier arm or hand or whatever.

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Remember Von to obtain pain compliance or joint destructions you have to create a distraction whether its intercepting the fist, parrying or deflecting set up mutiple combos depending on were the sequence flows...

example: if you attempted to punch me and I deflected with my right and simotaneously fingerjabbed you with my left to your eye, quickly grabbed your wrist with my right and then uppercutted your already hyper-extended elbow with my own elbow you are already such a mess that a 5 year old could grab your wrist and make you comply ;D and thats just one possible scenario out of 1000's or it works well if someone grabs you, your shirt there are countless ways and styles.. I prefer the FMA's myself and as I been thinking it over for the past year, I might forgo the JKD and MMA aspirations and concentrate on the FMA's but I feel at 31 I still have a long time to go in MA's so I have time to do it all essentially but work is a heavy constraint on my time and growth :-\

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No disrespect mate it doesnt work like that in a real go. I would bet my house you would not be able to pull that shit off in a real go. Thats my opinion but its an opinion of experience. I have seen to many people try that stuff and get levelled.

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either way that S***'s useless. like someone is just going to hand over thier arm or hand or whatever.

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Remember Von to obtain pain compliance or joint destructions you have to create a distraction whether its intercepting the fist, parrying or deflecting set up mutiple combos depending on were the sequence flows...

example: if you attempted to punch me and I deflected with my right and simotaneously fingerjabbed you with my left to your eye, quickly grabbed your wrist with my right and then uppercutted your already hyper-extended elbow with my own elbow you are already such a mess that a 5 year old could grab your wrist and make you comply ;D and thats just one possible scenario out of 1000's or it works well if someone grabs you, your shirt there are countless ways and styles.. I prefer the FMA's myself and as I been thinking it over for the past year, I might forgo the JKD and MMA aspirations and concentrate on the FMA's but I feel at 31 I still have a long time to go in MA's so I have time to do it all essentially but work is a heavy constraint on my time and growth :-\

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No disrespect mate it doesnt work like that in a real go. I would bet my house you would not be able to pull that S*** off in a real go. Thats my opinion but its an opinion of experience. I have seen to many people try that stuff and get levelled.

Sorry

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I been in real go's myself Bro and have utilized JKD techniques they work believe me I have worked the door in a very Rowdy Strip joint and have dealt with the scum of the earth, I been attacked by a carpenters hammer, I have had a gun held to my head, so I have dealt with adversity in plenty of non-sport skirmishes and if I wasnt alert from mytraining or background I might have been hurt seriously or killed.....I dont claim to be the end all be all tough guy but I can hold my own I have parried punches and used leverage countless times to gain superior position. the bigger they are the easier its been.. but to discount proper technique and say it dosent work is a little short sighted.. its like anything else you use the appropriate strike depending on distance and angles, no different than when a boxer trys to throw an uppercut from 3 ft away OF COURSE he is wide opened to get sparked, MA techniques are no different... Fight Smarter not harder ;)

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either way that S***'s useless. like someone is just going to hand over thier arm or hand or whatever.

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Remember Von to obtain pain compliance or joint destructions you have to create a distraction whether its intercepting the fist, parrying or deflecting set up mutiple combos depending on were the sequence flows...

example: if you attempted to punch me and I deflected with my right and simotaneously fingerjabbed you with my left to your eye, quickly grabbed your wrist with my right and then uppercutted your already hyper-extended elbow with my own elbow you are already such a mess that a 5 year old could grab your wrist and make you comply ;D and thats just one possible scenario out of 1000's or it works well if someone grabs you, your shirt there are countless ways and styles.. I prefer the FMA's myself and as I been thinking it over for the past year, I might forgo the JKD and MMA aspirations and concentrate on the FMA's but I feel at 31 I still have a long time to go in MA's so I have time to do it all essentially but work is a heavy constraint on my time and growth :-\

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No disrespect mate it doesnt work like that in a real go. I would bet my house you would not be able to pull that S*** off in a real go. Thats my opinion but its an opinion of experience. I have seen to many people try that stuff and get levelled.

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I been in real go's myself Bro and have utilized JKD techniques they work believe me I have worked the door in a very Rowdy Strip joint and have dealt with the scum of the earth, I been attacked by a carpenters hammer, I have had a gun held to my head, so I have dealt with adversity in plenty of non-sport skirmishes and if I wasnt alert from mytraining or background I might have been hurt seriously or killed.....I dont claim to be the end all be all tough guy but I can hold my own I have parried punches and used leverage countless times to gain superior position. the bigger they are the easier its been.. but to discount proper technique and say it dosent work is a little short sighted.. its like anything else you use the appropriate strike depending on distance and angles, no different than when a boxer trys to throw an uppercut from 3 ft away OF COURSE he is wide opened to get sparked, MA techniques are no different... Fight Smarter not harder ;)

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So you've also worked doors eh? Look i'm not saying training isnt of benefit. But you cannot presuure test all those fancy techniques under stress. Gross motor skills work best under pressure and under the strain of a real go. I'm sure your training has been a useful attribute but as far as trapping arms and busting elbows and using all sortas of funky standing joint manipulation ALA Steven Segal when the shyte hits the fan. Ive never seen it work...and i've seen quite a bit.

If you say it works for you then i have no reason not to believe you. What i will say is where TMA's come unstuck is when there are 1000's of different options are trained for, this f*cks the mind under adrenaline and it can't choose what it wants. Then invariably the person freezes. As i have said countless times choose 3 or 4 signature moves drilled endlessly and have a support system that can be pressure tested such as MMA,Juso, Boxing. Cmbat sports where it takes balls to step up. Cos that is what it takes when some 15 stone guy is spitting in your face telling you he is going to rip your head off. It takes nuts to just stop yourself from freezing.

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either way that S***'s useless. like someone is just going to hand over thier arm or hand or whatever.

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Remember Von to obtain pain compliance or joint destructions you have to create a distraction whether its intercepting the fist, parrying or deflecting set up mutiple combos depending on were the sequence flows...

example: if you attempted to punch me and I deflected with my right and simotaneously fingerjabbed you with my left to your eye, quickly grabbed your wrist with my right and then uppercutted your already hyper-extended elbow with my own elbow you are already such a mess that a 5 year old could grab your wrist and make you comply ;D and thats just one possible scenario out of 1000's or it works well if someone grabs you, your shirt there are countless ways and styles.. I prefer the FMA's myself and as I been thinking it over for the past year, I might forgo the JKD and MMA aspirations and concentrate on the FMA's but I feel at 31 I still have a long time to go in MA's so I have time to do it all essentially but work is a heavy constraint on my time and growth :-\

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No disrespect mate it doesnt work like that in a real go. I would bet my house you would not be able to pull that S*** off in a real go. Thats my opinion but its an opinion of experience. I have seen to many people try that stuff and get levelled.

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I been in real go's myself Bro and have utilized JKD techniques they work believe me I have worked the door in a very Rowdy Strip joint and have dealt with the scum of the earth, I been attacked by a carpenters hammer, I have had a gun held to my head, so I have dealt with adversity in plenty of non-sport skirmishes and if I wasnt alert from mytraining or background I might have been hurt seriously or killed.....I dont claim to be the end all be all tough guy but I can hold my own I have parried punches and used leverage countless times to gain superior position. the bigger they are the easier its been.. but to discount proper technique and say it dosent work is a little short sighted.. its like anything else you use the appropriate strike depending on distance and angles, no different than when a boxer trys to throw an uppercut from 3 ft away OF COURSE he is wide opened to get sparked, MA techniques are no different... Fight Smarter not harder ;)

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So you've also worked doors eh? Look i'm not saying training isnt of benefit. But you cannot presuure test all those fancy techniques under stress. Gross motor skills work best under pressure and under the strain of a real go. I'm sure your training has been a useful attribute but as far as trapping arms and busting elbows and using all sortas of funky standing joint manipulation ALA Steven Segal when the shyte hits the fan. Ive never seen it work...and i've seen quite a bit.

If you say it works for you then i have no reason not to believe you. What i will say is where TMA's come unstuck is when there are 1000's of different options are trained for, this f*cks the mind under adrenaline and it can't choose what it wants. Then invariably the person freezes. As i have said countless times choose 3 or 4 signature moves drilled endlessly and have a support system that can be pressure tested such as MMA,Juso, Boxing. Cmbat sports where it takes balls to step up. Cos that is what it takes when some 15 stone guy is spitting in your face telling you he is going to rip your head off. It takes nuts to just stop yourself from freezing.

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I will go on record as saying "I never used or attempted a joint destruction or Muscle destruction" but I have deflected or parryed to were I fell into position and had no reason to think it couldnt been executed properly since the attacker was off balance and I had the limb already... I prefer the Muay Thai clinch Knees and elbows and of course the groin shot which is a hell of an equalizer ;D

I know what you mean with the bigger guys, I am 5'11 195-200lbs... I had to bring 2 strippers to a bachelor party at a Polish-American club, well nothing scared me more than having to meet with the bestman who was at least 6'1 225-235lb muscular construction worker type, I pulled him aside and I collected the cash upfront for the Strip Club and then I went over the ground rules..... I told him no prostitution, No Touching, No Name calling........ Then I got in his face and I said you better let these guys know that if there are any problems or any deviation from the rules I'll have there asses and then I'll be coming for you, Then I asked him if I was clear enough in my explanation... He said yes!!!!

Well it was a 2 hour party and I was pacing the floor with a stonefaced pissed off look meanwhile in reality I was sweating the whole time counting the seconds, nothing scarier than having to potentially protect 2 naked erotic dancing girls in a closed room with 20 drunk meat heads...... Scary Shit bro let me tell you!

Oh and I always wore Mildly loose fitting jeans with a Jock Strap at the door because those sneaky Fukers were always trying to clip you in the balls :P

I think a combination of Muay Thai for striking and some type of grappling/ground fighting (BJJ/Judo/Sambo/Wrestling) would be the best for real world fighting. Muay Thai utilizes all aspects of striking and more importantly it trains you to fight inside a phone booth. A good base in some sort of grappling will help in balance and body control. Combine that with some basic submission defense and techniques and I'd say an average sized man thats in good shape could successfully win against 75% of the world

hey jt rocks just wanted to say that i have a lot of respect for u becouse my wife is a dancer and i have to trust a bouncer i am only 5'7" 150 so i am not the most effective bouncer i can hold my own with any single person on the street but multiple people give me trouble also i am not intimidating looking so there is more of a chance of people trying something.

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hey jt rocks just wanted to say that i have a lot of respect for u becouse my wife is a dancer and i have to trust a bouncer i am only 5'7" 150 so i am not the most effective bouncer i can hold my own with any single person on the street but multiple people give me trouble also i am not intimidating looking so there is more of a chance of people trying something.

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Thanks ;) my Bouncing days are far behind me, but they were fun for a time.....as far as your size, you are right you would make a shitty bouncer, not cause you cant fight but people would size you up constantly cause of your size and challenge your authority and ability to keep them in check... Like I said I'm 5"11 and 195-200lbs and I'm not the ideal size either, I would get the occasional dikhead that would push my buttons, I had a reputaion for holding my own so people respected me and my skill in my area and they also recognized me as being the real deal and not some product of a few Karate classes(No Offense to Practitioners) so I was cool with most.

From my frequenting the local watering holes, I've seen that 90% of what makes a good bouncer is how he carries himself. I've seen huge bouncers (6'5", 300 lbs of muscle) get picked on, while some tiny bouncer (5'6") rules the roost, because the huge guy was too quiet and reserved, while the tiny dude let everyone know he meant business. He just had that air about him that you don't fuck with him, while the other guy just seemed like a big dumb jock.

well this sounds like this could be another thread i am a confident person but i like just getting in the ring and doing my job but this one time i was parking cars for the club and this drunk guy started acting like a fool with my friend so i stepped in and ended up slipping a wild punch and taking him down into a hopkido style arm lock so when the bouncers came out of the bar they were like wow good move

hey JT just wonderin mate. what would happen if you got a stonker on when you were working in the strip club and you were wearing a cup (or jock strap). surely that would cause some discomfort on your weapon if he wasnt free to stand to attention and you couldnt just get away with putting your hands in your pockets and adjusting yourself if your wearing a cup. and surely there must have been some moments where u got a hard on if your in the strip club? i would have been fucked ;D

You're all squabbling like children ........ everyone knows that the most effective fighting style is the one practised by Hong Kong Phooey.

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