Calzaghe vs Froch

I'm pretty sure that most people here are disappointed with him choosing Manfredi. Was in the gym the other day and had a brief chat with Froch (not that he knows me, just that he was training at the same time) about who he was thinking of fighting next. He mentioned a European, but just to keep ticking over, but they were trying to get him a bigger fight. He said that he would love to fight Calzaghe but that he was going after money and that he could understand why, but that he would like to fight Kessler. He said that they were all world class.
I think that the problem that he has is the the same as Witter. He is a huge risk, that they don't want to take right now.
Honestly speaking, all these top fighters know in their heart of hearts what fights they need to take that would make them legends, and if any of them truely believed in their own ability they would. Calzaghe would take on Froch and Hatton would put Witter to bed.
They are both opponents that are a lot more credible than their next opponents. The only reason they are not has to be that they are not worth the risk.
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I'm pretty sure that most people here are disappointed with him choosing Manfredi. Was in the gym the other day and had a brief chat with Froch (not that he knows me, just that he was training at the same time) about who he was thinking of fighting next. He mentioned a European, but just to keep ticking over, but they were trying to get him a bigger fight. He said that he would love to fight Calzaghe but that he was going after money and that he could understand why, but that he would like to fight Kessler. He said that they were all world class.
I think that the problem that he has is the the same as Witter. He is a huge risk, that they don't want to take right now.
Honestly speaking, all these top fighters know in their heart of hearts what fights they need to take that would make them legends, and if any of them truely believed in their own ability they would. Calzaghe would take on Froch and Hatton would put Witter to bed.
They are both opponents that are a lot more credible than their next opponents. The only reason they are not has to be that they are not worth the risk.
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No it goes deeper then that. It's not a case of quickly putting Witter or Froch to bed. For hatton and calzaghe it also takes up about 3 months of training camp and sacrifice, takes up a tv date that could be used to show a more financially advantageous fight. HBO won't want hatton vs Witter or Calzaghe vs Froch, they want big names that are recognised in the states. Thats what sells there ppv events. Witter is a decent name but his style is boring and his recent performances haven't done anything to suggest that he is capable of putting on a decent show. All in all a fight with these two just isn't really worth anything for hatton or calzaghe. It doesn't financially make any sense at the minute. It may do in a year or so but i suspect it would take a massive win from either Witter or Froch or a shock loss from Hatton or Calzaghe to make this fight a more realstic option.

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I'm pretty sure that most people here are disappointed with him choosing Manfredi. Was in the gym the other day and had a brief chat with Froch (not that he knows me, just that he was training at the same time) about who he was thinking of fighting next. He mentioned a European, but just to keep ticking over, but they were trying to get him a bigger fight. He said that he would love to fight Calzaghe but that he was going after money and that he could understand why, but that he would like to fight Kessler. He said that they were all world class.
I think that the problem that he has is the the same as Witter. He is a huge risk, that they don't want to take right now.
Honestly speaking, all these top fighters know in their heart of hearts what fights they need to take that would make them legends, and if any of them truely believed in their own ability they would. Calzaghe would take on Froch and Hatton would put Witter to bed.
They are both opponents that are a lot more credible than their next opponents. The only reason they are not has to be that they are not worth the risk.
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are you smoking crack? you think calzaghe needs froch to make him a legend? like shit he does, he beats froch he proves nothing! hes beaten fighter alot better or alot more proven on the world stage than froch already.. with name slike hopkins, wright, taylor, kessler out there why the hell would froch even be an option right now??

Same with hatton, with Castillo, mayweather, Cotto out there why witter?

Becasue their all British... And we Brits rule the world and therefore are legends by default.

Hope this proves relative to the subject of debate ::**

The fights arnt made because they are a risk to the fighter, but a bigger risk to the promoter and investment, never take an unbeaten riser from a different promotional company its bad business

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Originally Posted by sanj16

I'm pretty sure that most people here are disappointed with him choosing Manfredi. Was in the gym the other day and had a brief chat with Froch (not that he knows me, just that he was training at the same time) about who he was thinking of fighting next. He mentioned a European, but just to keep ticking over, but they were trying to get him a bigger fight. He said that he would love to fight Calzaghe but that he was going after money and that he could understand why, but that he would like to fight Kessler. He said that they were all world class.
I think that the problem that he has is the the same as Witter. He is a huge risk, that they don't want to take right now.
Honestly speaking, all these top fighters know in their heart of hearts what fights they need to take that would make them legends, and if any of them truely believed in their own ability they would. Calzaghe would take on Froch and Hatton would put Witter to bed.
They are both opponents that are a lot more credible than their next opponents. The only reason they are not has to be that they are not worth the risk.
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are you smoking crack? you think calzaghe needs froch to make him a legend? like S*** he does, he beats froch he proves nothing! hes beaten fighter alot better or alot more proven on the world stage than froch already.. with name slike hopkins, wright, taylor, kessler out there why the hell would froch even be an option right now??

Same with hatton, with Castillo, mayweather, Cotto out there why witter?

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Read my statement again!!!! I didn't say that Calzaghe needed to fight Froch to make him a ledend, I said that he knew the fights that he had to make to make him a legend, theres a difference. Calzaghe needs to fight B-Hop, or back in the day RJJ. If he was truely confident then he would have taken a cut to make these fights. By winning them he would then be able to name his own price. The reason the fight isn't being made is either he is worried that he could loose, or he's more concerned about making money. The same goes for Hatton. No matter how you look at it Witter and Froch are better fights than Manfredo and Urango.

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Because their all British... And we Brits rule the world and therefore are legends by default.

Hope this proves relative to the subject of debate ::**

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Again its not because Witter and Froch are legends ::**, its because they are good fights for the public. The reason these fights are not made is because Hatton and Calzaghe don't want to risk them. Again not because they can't win, but is there anyone here who believes that Manfredo and Urango are tougher fights?
This has nothing to do with nationality, just that if you want to be recognised as a world beater then you are expected to fight calibre opponents. Their next fights are hardly going to add weight to their place on a world stage.

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Originally Posted by Jimboogie

Becasue their all British... And we Brits rule the world and therefore are legends by default.

Hope this proves relative to the subject of debate ::**

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It's true though isn't it?!

Why should Joe give Froch a chance? Because he is British?

Same for Hatton with Witter, granted he has the (paper) WBC strap but he shouldn't give him a fight just because it would be a good match up domestically. He has many many more options across the pond. Castillo, Cotto, Floyd, Chico etc etc

The only way I see either fight happening is if Tony Blair bans our boxers from fighting abroad :D

Maybe Kessler will give Froch a chance

Why is M'baye's name never linked with Witter? Because it wouldn't sell twenty tickets that is why.

P.s Neither of them are a risk....

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I'm pretty sure that most people here are disappointed with him choosing Manfredi. Was in the gym the other day and had a brief chat with Froch (not that he knows me, just that he was training at the same time) about who he was thinking of fighting next. He mentioned a European, but just to keep ticking over, but they were trying to get him a bigger fight. He said that he would love to fight Calzaghe but that he was going after money and that he could understand why, but that he would like to fight Kessler. He said that they were all world class.
I think that the problem that he has is the the same as Witter. He is a huge risk, that they don't want to take right now.
Honestly speaking, all these top fighters know in their heart of hearts what fights they need to take that would make them legends, and if any of them truely believed in their own ability they would. Calzaghe would take on Froch and Hatton would put Witter to bed.
They are both opponents that are a lot more credible than their next opponents. The only reason they are not has to be that they are not worth the risk.
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are you smoking crack? you think calzaghe needs froch to make him a legend? like S*** he does, he beats froch he proves nothing! hes beaten fighter alot better or alot more proven on the world stage than froch already.. with name slike hopkins, wright, taylor, kessler out there why the hell would froch even be an option right now??

Same with hatton, with Castillo, mayweather, Cotto out there why witter?

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Read my statement again!!!! I didn't say that Calzaghe needed to fight Froch to make him a ledend, I said that he knew the fights that he had to make to make him a legend, theres a difference. Calzaghe needs to fight B-Hop, or back in the day RJJ. If he was truely confident then he would have taken a cut to make these fights. By winning them he would then be able to name his own price. The reason the fight isn't being made is either he is worried that he could loose, or he's more concerned about making money. The same goes for Hatton. No matter how you look at it Witter and Froch are better fights than Manfredo and Urango.

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mate, hopkins was offerd a career high pay day back in the day to fight joe in the us, he wnated double it...

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I'm pretty sure that most people here are disappointed with him choosing Manfredi. Was in the gym the other day and had a brief chat with Froch (not that he knows me, just that he was training at the same time) about who he was thinking of fighting next. He mentioned a European, but just to keep ticking over, but they were trying to get him a bigger fight. He said that he would love to fight Calzaghe but that he was going after money and that he could understand why, but that he would like to fight Kessler. He said that they were all world class.
I think that the problem that he has is the the same as Witter. He is a huge risk, that they don't want to take right now.
Honestly speaking, all these top fighters know in their heart of hearts what fights they need to take that would make them legends, and if any of them truely believed in their own ability they would. Calzaghe would take on Froch and Hatton would put Witter to bed.
They are both opponents that are a lot more credible than their next opponents. The only reason they are not has to be that they are not worth the risk.
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are you smoking crack? you think calzaghe needs froch to make him a legend? like S*** he does, he beats froch he proves nothing! hes beaten fighter alot better or alot more proven on the world stage than froch already.. with name slike hopkins, wright, taylor, kessler out there why the hell would froch even be an option right now??

Same with hatton, with Castillo, mayweather, Cotto out there why witter?

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Read my statement again!!!! I didn't say that Calzaghe needed to fight Froch to make him a ledend, I said that he knew the fights that he had to make to make him a legend, theres a difference. Calzaghe needs to fight B-Hop, or back in the day RJJ. If he was truely confident then he would have taken a cut to make these fights. By winning them he would then be able to name his own price. The reason the fight isn't being made is either he is worried that he could loose, or he's more concerned about making money. The same goes for Hatton. No matter how you look at it Witter and Froch are better fights than Manfredo and Urango.

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mate, hopkins was offerd a career high pay day back in the day to fight joe in the us, he wnated double it...

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Calzaghe was offerd($3,4) his career high pay day to fight Kessler and he refuse,so that is you point

Calzaghe-Manfredo is a joke of a fight. Calzaghe-Froch is an even bigger joke of a fight. It's funny how British fans bad mouth Manfredo (got no problem with that). Saying he's unworthy and doesn't deserve a title shot (so very true). Than turn around and say Calzaghe should fight Froch (can't even begin to explain the stupidity in that). What the fuck has this 29 year old, Ryan Rhodes in the making, so-called prospect accomplished to deserve a title shot? Not a damn thing. Yet according to the British, he's close to ATG status. It's stupidity. All of it. And you can blame one person for this. Joe Calzaghe. If he would have the balls to fight Kessler, we wouldn't hear shit about Froch. Or Manfredo. .

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Calzaghe-Manfredo is a joke of a fight. Calzaghe-Froch is an even bigger joke of a fight. It's funny how British fans bad mouth Manfredo (got no problem with that). Saying he's unworthy and doesn't deserve a title shot (so very true). Than turn around and say Calzaghe should fight Froch (can't even begin to explain the stupidity in that). What the fuck has this 29 year old, Ryan Rhodes in the making, so-called prospect accomplished to deserve a title shot? Not a damn thing. Yet according to the British, he's close to ATG status. It's stupidity. All of it. And you can blame one person for this. Joe Calzaghe. If he would have the balls to fight Kessler, we wouldn't hear shit about Froch. Or Manfredo. .

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Its for the same reason that people would like to see Hatton Witter. Its a big domestic fight. OK Witter brings the luster of the WBC with him but people wanted this fight before he fought Corley.

Its that simple.

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Calzaghe-Manfredo is a joke of a fight. Calzaghe-Froch is an even bigger joke of a fight. It's funny how British fans bad mouth Manfredo (got no problem with that). Saying he's unworthy and doesn't deserve a title shot (so very true). Than turn around and say Calzaghe should fight Froch (can't even begin to explain the stupidity in that). What the fuck has this 29 year old, Ryan Rhodes in the making, so-called prospect accomplished to deserve a title shot? Not a damn thing. Yet according to the British, he's close to ATG status. It's stupidity. All of it. And you can blame one person for this. Joe Calzaghe. If he would have the balls to fight Kessler, we wouldn't hear shit about Froch. Or Manfredo. .

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Its for the same reason that people would like to see Hatton Witter. Its a big domestic fight. OK Witter brings the luster of the WBC with him but people wanted this fight before he fought Corley.

Its that simple.

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Even though he confused his title fight with Judah with a track meet. Witter can at least make a case. His resume is no where near great, but it has some decent stuff on it. Froch can't make a case and his resume is worst than Manfredo's. And that's saying some thing

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Calzaghe-Manfredo is a joke of a fight. Calzaghe-Froch is an even bigger joke of a fight. It's funny how British fans bad mouth Manfredo (got no problem with that). Saying he's unworthy and doesn't deserve a title shot (so very true). Than turn around and say Calzaghe should fight Froch (can't even begin to explain the stupidity in that). What the F*** has this 29 year old, Ryan Rhodes in the making, so-called prospect accomplished to deserve a title shot? Not a damn thing. Yet according to the British, he's close to ATG status. It's stupidity. All of it. And you can blame one person for this. Joe Calzaghe. If he would have the balls to fight Kessler, we wouldn't hear S*** about Froch. Or Manfredo. .

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Its for the same reason that people would like to see Hatton Witter. Its a big domestic fight. OK Witter brings the luster of the WBC with him but people wanted this fight before he fought Corley.

Its that simple.

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Even though he confused his title fight with Judah with a track meet. Witter can at least make a case. His resume is no where near great, but it has some decent stuff on it. Froch can't make a case and his resume is worst than Manfredo's. And that's saying some thing

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Vd, for the first and most likley last time on a calzaghe topic i agree with you, you are 100% right froch would be a total joke fight for calzaghe if it was to happen right now.

i said it in other posts at 29 years old, never fought for a european or wolrd title or wolrd title eliminator its a fucking joke. he had done nothing to EARN a shot at any world title at SMW apart from claim a 'domestic' interest, and that isnt enough!

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Froch can't make a case and his resume is worst than Manfredo's. And that's saying some thing

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Thats absolute bollocks and you know it.

Its also imaterial. Froch is the second best s middle in the country, its only right that he should get a crack at the best s middle in the country shouldnt he? Every other none deserving mother fucker does.

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Froch can't make a case and his resume is worst than Manfredo's. And that's saying some thing

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Thats absolute bollocks and you know it.

Its also imaterial. Froch is the second best s middle in the country, its only right that he should get a crack at the best s middle in the country shouldnt he? Every other none deserving mother fucker does.

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Why cuz he's British? How the hell is he the second best Super Middleweight? Based on what? What the fuck has he done? Who has he beat? And the fact that all them other none deserving chumps got a shot, well all you got to do is blame the person responsible. Joe fucking Calzaghe.

Ive never been a fan of Froch, but slowly hes winning me over. Hes a good fighter with a good eye, hed beat Manfredo comfortably

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Froch can't make a case and his resume is worst than Manfredo's. And that's saying some thing

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Thats absolute bollocks and you know it.

Its also imaterial. Froch is the second best s middle in the country, its only right that he should get a crack at the best s middle in the country shouldnt he? Every other none deserving mother fucker does.

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Why cuz he's British? How the hell is he the second best Super Middleweight?

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You have someone else in mind? Do tell and this conversation is over, I concede.

froch defense isnt that great and with someone like calzaghe who has fast combos he would batter froch on his best day imo

I think Froch would stop Calzaghe.

He has acres more power than the farty light middle's & middles he's been fighting up until now....

...Ashira = 1 fight at super-middle (against Joe)

...Bika = 2 fights at super middle

...Manfredo = 2 fights at super middle

In the last 2.5 years he's fought 3 times and only once against a man his own weight...and is now fighting another, much much smaller and slower opponent - How can that be defended on this forum? a forum made up of GENUINE boxing fans Forget money (otherwise we might as well talk about LA Galaxy being a great football club)

People may mock Froch - but i admire him.

He is prepared to go the traditional route, English, British, Commonwealth, European & World titles...

Add to that his amateur career (he has medalled at many many events) and you have a good, strong pedigree.

He is instilling respect in the belts again - not jumping straight in for a phony WBU trinket - he's gone on record saying he'd never bother with them and would retire without a world belt than that.

Froch is not in a position to pick & choose his opponents like Joe Calzaghe - he will have to fight all the dangerous unbeaten boys en route to wherever he's going.

He is ranked inside the Top 5 with the WBC, WBA, IBF & WBO...

Far higher than Bika, Ashira & Manfredo - who have been and gone in the same space of time that Froch has called Joe out.

All i have to say is the longer JC leaves this fight the harder it would get for him. Froch is growing stronger and stronger each fight and some people would say he is hitting the stage called his prime. If JC came on full prepared and was throwing combos etc, he would beat Carl. But if JC took this lightly at all Carl would punish him and thats where he is the best, he is looking good in the fights and i really feel he would be one of the toughest fights JC could take at this stage. The longer JC leaves the fight the more im going to favour Froch.

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I think Froch would stop Calzaghe.

He has acres more power than the farty light middle's & middles he's been fighting up until now....

...Ashira = 1 fight at super-middle (against Joe)

...Bika = 2 fights at super middle

...Manfredo = 2 fights at super middle

In the last 2.5 years he's fought 3 times and only once against a man his own weight...and is now fighting another, much much smaller and slower opponent - How can that be defended on this forum? a forum made up of GENUINE boxing fans Forget money (otherwise we might as well talk about LA Galaxy being a great football club)

People may mock Froch - but i admire him.

He is prepared to go the traditional route, English, British, Commonwealth, European & World titles...

Add to that his amateur career (he has medalled at many many events) and you have a good, strong pedigree.

He is instilling respect in the belts again - not jumping straight in for a phony WBU trinket - he's gone on record saying he'd never bother with them and would retire without a world belt than that.

Froch is not in a position to pick & choose his opponents like Joe Calzaghe - he will have to fight all the dangerous unbeaten boys en route to wherever he's going.

He is ranked inside the Top 5 with the WBC, WBA, IBF & WBO...

Far higher than Bika, Ashira & Manfredo - who have been and gone in the same space of time that Froch has called Joe out.

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thats all well and good but froch keeps his hands low constantly and with someone who has fast combos and is very active fighter throwing like 60+ punches a round thats dangerous

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Why cuz he's British? How the hell is he the second best Super Middleweight?

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You have someone else in mind? Do tell and this conversation is over, I concede.

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Noone else comes to mind - and that is obviously the reason why so many brits have jumped the Froch band-waggon despite Froch's shortcommings.
The brits have been so used to have a number of good SMW's to cheer for. But now that Calzaghe's carrer is nearing the end, there's noone to take over. So rather than accept they'll not be ruling SMW for some years to come, some brits try to imagine Froch being something he's not. Because he's the best they can come up with.

But no matter what praise they give Froch, it won't turn him into a world-beater.

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Why cuz he's British? How the hell is he the second best Super Middleweight?

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Noone else comes to mind - and that is obviously the reason why so many brits have jumped the Froch band-waggon despite Froch's shortcommings.
The brits have been so used to have a number of good SMW's to cheer for. But now that Calzaghe's carrer is nearing the end, there's noone to take over. So rather than accept they'll not be ruling SMW for some years to come, some brits try to imagine Froch being something he's not. Because he's the best they can come up with.

But no matter what praise they give Froch, it won't turn him into a world-beater.

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well not being nasty but other than kessler is there any usa fighters or any other country in smw division thats good at the moment ?? froch is decent fighter but he has shite defence and he will get beaten badly by elite if he doesnt improve on that defence

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Why cuz he's British? How the hell is he the second best Super Middleweight?

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Noone else comes to mind - and that is obviously the reason why so many brits have jumped the Froch band-waggon despite Froch's shortcommings.
The brits have been so used to have a number of good SMW's to cheer for. But now that Calzaghe's carrer is nearing the end, there's noone to take over. So rather than accept they'll not be ruling SMW for some years to come, some brits try to imagine Froch being something he's not. Because he's the best they can come up with.

But no matter what praise they give Froch, it won't turn him into a world-beater.

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well not being nasty but other than kessler is there any usa fighters or any other country in smw division thats good at the moment ?? froch is decent fighter but he has shite defence and he will get beaten badly by elite if he doesnt improve on that defence

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No it's not that other nations are doing particularly better. That's not the point. The point is that the UK has been so spoiled with good SMW's, that the lack of a decent replacement for Calzaghe comes as a bit of a shock to some brits.
I just think it's bloody useless trying to hype Froch into something he's not.

Apart from that I have to admit that i just can't stand Froch because of the way he acts. And i can't stand the way so many are prepared to eat his BS raw.

froch is ready for a fight with a taylor, kessler or lacy but not a calzaghe.

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froch is ready for a fight with a taylor, kessler or lacy but not a calzaghe.

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Yeah obviously - Since he was able to beat SMW no 127 rated Dodson in his last fight, he clearly MUST be ready to fight those ppl. ::**

Froch has really shown the world that he can hold his own with the very best ;D

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Froch can't make a case and his resume is worst than Manfredo's. And that's saying some thing

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Thats absolute bollocks and you know it.

Its also imaterial. Froch is the second best s middle in the country, its only right that he should get a crack at the best s middle in the country shouldnt he? Every other none deserving mother fucker does.

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Why cuz he's British? How the hell is he the second best Super Middleweight?

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You have someone else in mind? Do tell and this conversation is over, I concede.

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Allan Green would smoke Froch. So would Andrade

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Froch can't make a case and his resume is worst than Manfredo's. And that's saying some thing

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Thats absolute bollocks and you know it.

Its also imaterial. Froch is the second best s middle in the country, its only right that he should get a crack at the best s middle in the country shouldnt he? Every other none deserving mother fucker does.

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Why cuz he's British? How the hell is he the second best Super Middleweight?

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You have someone else in mind? Do tell and this conversation is over, I concede.

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Allan Green would smoke Froch. So would Andrade

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I just highlighted some text from my initial quote, I didnt say world.

Never seen Andrade so it would be unfair to commentbut Allan Green would get taken out in horrible fashion. His dodgy chin and Froch's heavy hands would be a bad combination.

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Froch can't make a case and his resume is worst than Manfredo's. And that's saying some thing

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Thats absolute bollocks and you know it.

Its also imaterial. Froch is the second best s middle in the country, its only right that he should get a crack at the best s middle in the country shouldnt he? Every other none deserving mother fucker does.

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Why cuz he's British? How the hell is he the second best Super Middleweight?

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You have someone else in mind? Do tell and this conversation is over, I concede.

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Allan Green would smoke Froch. So would Andrade

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I just highlighted some text from my initial quote, I didnt say world.

Never seen Andrade so it would be unfair to commentbut Allan Green would get taken out in horrible fashion. His dodgy chin and Froch's heavy hands would be a bad combination.

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Fine you want to call Froch second best SM in Britain. Go ahead. Still doesn't mean he deserves a title shot. He's as unworthy as Manfredo

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Calzaghe-Manfredo is a joke of a fight. Calzaghe-Froch is an even bigger joke of a fight. It's funny how British fans bad mouth Manfredo (got no problem with that). Saying he's unworthy and doesn't deserve a title shot (so very true). Than turn around and say Calzaghe should fight Froch (can't even begin to explain the stupidity in that). What the F*** has this 29 year old, Ryan Rhodes in the making, so-called prospect accomplished to deserve a title shot? Not a damn thing. Yet according to the British, he's close to ATG status. It's stupidity. All of it. And you can blame one person for this. Joe Calzaghe. If he would have the balls to fight Kessler, we wouldn't hear S*** about Froch. Or Manfredo. .

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Ok Joe 's legacy Manfredo Wooouv we are impressed.If joeis so goooood why the fuck not just dispose of hyped Kessler almost 2 million pounds AND A UNDENIABLE P4P position.But fact would seem to be risk/reward RISK is way to high.How do think Joe would fancy humiliation by kessler in his last fight,Joe knows kessler is the hangman the end of the road.So ignore Kessler and find some more tv-stars non boxers "what kind of fuck is 5 round fights anyway",how about Rocky Balboa next

it's not about prowess, it's about paydays.
As long as Hatton and Calzaghe keep winning they keep bringing the cameras which means Pay par view dollars etc.
Witter and Froch are good fighters but they don't bring the cameras and until they do they can forget about getting a big fight with the more famous fella's.
These decisions are made by promoters and managers who 'know' where the money is.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Calzaghe-Manfredo is a joke of a fight. Calzaghe-Froch is an even bigger joke of a fight. It's funny how British fans bad mouth Manfredo (got no problem with that). Saying he's unworthy and doesn't deserve a title shot (so very true). Than turn around and say Calzaghe should fight Froch (can't even begin to explain the stupidity in that). What the F*** has this 29 year old, Ryan Rhodes in the making, so-called prospect accomplished to deserve a title shot? Not a damn thing. Yet according to the British, he's close to ATG status. It's stupidity. All of it. And you can blame one person for this. Joe Calzaghe. If he would have the balls to fight Kessler, we wouldn't hear S*** about Froch. Or Manfredo. .

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Its for the same reason that people would like to see Hatton Witter. Its a big domestic fight. OK Witter brings the luster of the WBC with him but people wanted this fight before he fought Corley.

Its that simple.

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Even though he confused his title fight with Judah with a track meet. Witter can at least make a case. His resume is no where near great, but it has some decent stuff on it. Froch can't make a case and his resume is worst than Manfredo's. And that's saying some thing

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Manfredo has lost to a Light Welterweight,
1. Froch only british boxer ever to win a world championship medal.
2. Battered Brian Magee who was due to fight Calz a while back.
3. Was due to face Lacey in UK v USA. Lacey pulled out?
4. Beat tough Henry Poras in less time than Kessler.
5. Lonsdale belt outright.

You realy think Madfredo is credible when he lost to a guy the same size as Junior Witter. Can i please have an eighth of what youve been smoking please mate.