De La Hoya Vs Mosely Fights 1 and 2 thoughts

I recently rewatched their first fight and gave it to Shane 116-112 - I can't believe how much Shame Mosely deteraited in the 3 years between the 2 fights!! The stats said that in fight 1 he landed 239 punches through round 11 and in fight 2 just 114 :o

I actually gave Oscar the first 7 rounds of the second fight and gave Shane 4 of the last 5 - so 116-112 to Oscar

The decision in favour of Mosely was awful imo. Jack Mosely was even saying that Shane couldn't win at the start of the 12th and 'you gotta make him quit'

Also look at the look of complete amazement on Shane's face when he gets the verdict.

Horrible decision, but really enjoyed both fights.

If anybody scored that fight for Mosely I would love to know which rounds you have him ;)

i havent seen first one but 2nd was robbery oscar easily won it i think he outlanded mosley by double here is little fact


oscar delahoya stated at the post-fight press conference that he would file a protest of the fight, using punch stat numbers (among other reasons) as to why he should have won on the judge's scorecards.

PUNCH STAT NUMBERS De La Hoya total = 221-616 (36%) Mosley total = 127-496 (26%) jabs = 106-296 (36%) jabs = 33-268 (12%) power punches = 115-320 (36%) power punches = 94-228 (41%)
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Bob Arum (De La Hoya's promoter): "I've never even seen anything like this in my life!! It wasn't even close!!"

De La Hoya (on the investigation request to be filed): "I'm really going to put my heart into it and the resources I have."

Mosley: "I really don't know what to think about that [investigation]. All I know is that I won the fight, I'm the legitimate champion of the world. I feel like I won a couple of fights that I lost, or won a fight that I lost…what can you do?"

CC - first fight should be in FS Board ;) much better fight ;)

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CC - first fight should be in FS Board ;) much better fight ;)

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yea cc back mate i must watch first one sounds like decent one 8)

IMO, the Shane Mosley that showed up in the first ODLH fight, could beat anybody in the history of the welterweight division.

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Originally Posted by albsur2006

IMO, the Shane Mosley that showed up in the first ODLH fight, could beat anybody in the history of the welterweight division.

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Mosley fought a great fight, but I wouldn't get carried away. Oscar didn't fight a very smart fight that night. He just came straight ahead, standing upright. He made it easy for Mosley to counterpunch. Oscar didn't show Mosley any angles or variety. I think Oscar was trying to prove the people wrong who criticized him of "running" against Trinidad, so against Mosley he made a point to do just the opposite.
Mosley was a great fighter in his prime, but he did have some flaws. I think welterweights like Ray Robinson, Ray Leonard, and Pernell Whitaker would've beaten Mosley on that night.

Saw both fights.

Sat ringside & watched Oscar get robbed on the second go 'round.

He legit lost the first fight.

Even Mosley thought that he had lost the second bout. It was all over his face.

shane cleary won the first fight. shane look fanstastic in that fight.

IMO oscar won the second fight. i don't need to watch the fight with the sound down or any of that other shit. i've been watching fights for a while now and i know what i saw. i saw oscar boxing and shane just comming forward taking puching. i also saw jack mosely tellin his son to pick it up and a very surprised shane mosely when he got the descion.

I remember a lot of people coming out and saying Shane won the 2nd fight - glad to see we can score a fight on here :D

I think Shane won the second fight. ODH was bleeding and bent over from the body shots. You could visibly see he took a beating. Shane looked unscathed. ODH got the worst that night. Mind you Shane was only trying to land power punches and wasn't boxing. He punished ODH and won the fight.

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Originally Posted by luvfightgame

I think Shane won the second fight. ODH was bleeding and bent over from the body shots. You could visibly see he took a beating. Shane looked unscathed. ODH got the worst that night. Mind you Shane was only trying to land power punches and wasn't boxing. He punished ODH and won the fight.

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I really can't see how you see it that way :o

The blood was from a but - but he could've have a face like a catchers mit, it wouldn't change the fact that he was winning rounds.

I remember getting into heaps of arguments on here about that second fight. I didn't score it but I thought it could have went either way.


I just thought that a lot of Oscar's stuff that night was flashy and didn't really do much damage. Whereas down the stretch Shane was really hurting Oscar to the body and head.


Like I say, I'll never understand the people who flat out think Oscar was robbed based purely on punchstat numbers... It was a close fight!!


Remember - this isn't the amateurs. A guy could land a hundred punches in a round and the other guy only 10 - but if those 10 get the guy hurt and in trouble, I'm probably still gonna give the round the guy who landed 10 punches.

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Originally Posted by albsur2006

IMO, the Shane Mosley that showed up in the first ODLH fight, could beat anybody in the history of the welterweight division.

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Yeah Shane was brilliant that night . Oscra met a prime Shane Mosley and was found out . 1st legit loss IMO . He tried to redeem himslef after the Tito fight where he ran so he thought he'd impose himself on teh smaller man moving up from lightweight . That played right into Shanes handsa and he boxed rings round him . He was much much quicker and Oscar looked plodding in comparrisson . Who'd have thought we'd ever say that about Oscar ?! Shane won by afew rounds and looked unbeatable

Next time they met , Shane was much slower andc it was due to lifting all those weights . He was muscle bound and Oscra had an easier time and a better gameplan . He had the beating of Shane that night but in my scoring he let it slip again late and Mosley took it by about 1 round . Oscar almost had it in the bag at 1 stage but in the 9th he was badly winded by body blows and he same the same mistake that he did against Tito- he coasted the late rounds .

Both good fights IMO

First Fight 8-4 Mosley. I actually had it 9-3 the first time I watched it but watching it again over the years I gave Oscar one of the toss up rounds for being the aggressor. Mosley whipped his ass all night long. can't believe some people on this forum say it was a razor thin fight.

Second Fight 7-5 for Oscar. It was no where near as exciting as the first fight, Mosley was never the same after the Vernon Forrest headbutt and then the brutal ass whopping.

shane looked strong in the second fight but he didn't seem to be doing much except getting hit.

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IMO, the Shane Mosley that showed up in the first ODLH fight, could beat anybody in the history of the welterweight division.

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lol he was fighing a sitting goose... with that much speed superiority he sould have dominated the fight, and he didn't. Also at that point Oscar hardly ever used his right hand.

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I think Shane won the second fight. ODH was bleeding and bent over from the body shots. You could visibly see he took a beating. Shane looked unscathed. ODH got the worst that night. Mind you Shane was only trying to land power punches and wasn't boxing. He punished ODH and won the fight.

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I really can't see how you see it that way :o

The blood was from a but - but he could've have a face like a catchers mit, it wouldn't change the fact that he was winning rounds.

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That is the thing about boxing. It's a beauty contest when it goes to a decision. Everybody sees it differently. I haven't seen the fight recently so I don't recall the details, but what sticks out in my mind is the commentators were definitely pro ODH. They describe the jabs as punishing, and the average person agrees with that statement. I watched that fight at a friends house with lots of casual fans, they all though ODH won. Myself and another friend that are dedicated boxing fans felt Mosley won. We were definitely in the minority. I just felt like ODH was running and trying to survive, and Mosley was stalking and hurting him. I am not impressed with jabs when you are taking punishment, and I felt ODH was lucky it was over and that he couldn't last much longer. I felt if it was a 15 round fight Shane would have stopped him. It was still a very close fight. But I lean towards the one that looks stronger and finishes stronger.

Jack Mosely told Shane he had to 'make Oscar quit' to win - and if you look at Mosely's face when he got the decision you know he knew he had lost that fight

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Jack Mosely told Shane he had to 'make Oscar quit' to win - and if you look at Mosely's face when he got the decision you know he knew he had lost that fight

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Maybe just surprised he got a close decision in Vegas

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Originally Posted by BIG H

Jack Mosely told Shane he had to 'make Oscar quit' to win - and if you look at Mosely's face when he got the decision you know he knew he had lost that fight

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I am only giving my opinion. I thought Mosley won. I heard the commentators and most of the other people that were in the room I was in, and they felt as you do. It's a beauty contest, you can't really argue opinions. It was close enough to go either way but my vote was for Mosley.

If I remember correctly, when I watched the second fight live, I thought Oscar clearly won, and then when I watched it over, I thought Oscar still won, but I had it much much closer.
In any close DLH fight, it's always good to try and score the fight with the volume off, that way you're not influenced at all by Lampley's full-blown Oscar lovefest.

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If I remember correctly, when I watched the second fight live, I thought Oscar clearly won, and then when I watched it over, I thought Oscar still won, but I had it much much closer.
In any close DLH fight, it's always good to try and score the fight with the volume off, that way you're not influenced at all by Lampley's full-blown Oscar lovefest.

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Lampley often mistakenly calls a punch landed for the wrong fighter. Thank God for tivo, cause I rewind it all the time. I am watching and fighter A lands a shot and B misses, but Lampley says "big right hand landed for B"
I rewind it, cause I thought I must of missed it. Usually I find it was Lampley that missed the call. Mostly they go to the featured fighter. All fights come down to what you give more credit for... I like power more than slick boxing. If it's close, I lean towards the power guy. Just my bias.

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

If I remember correctly, when I watched the second fight live, I thought Oscar clearly won, and then when I watched it over, I thought Oscar still won, but I had it much much closer.
In any close DLH fight, it's always good to try and score the fight with the volume off, that way you're not influenced at all by Lampley's full-blown Oscar lovefest.

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I agree 100%. :appl:

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Jack Mosely told Shane he had to 'make Oscar quit' to win - and if you look at Mosely's face when he got the decision you know he knew he had lost that fight

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I am only giving my opinion. I thought Mosley won. I heard the commentators and most of the other people that were in the room I was in, and they felt as you do. It's a beauty contest, you can't really argue opinions. It was close enough to go either way but my vote was for Mosley.

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Fair play fella ;)