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Peter is REALLY pissed-off!!!
I agree with Peter 100%. But I don't think that he can knock out both of the Klitschkos on the same night. Possibly on alternating nights? Yes. But the same night?...No, well, maybe.
http://www.saddoboxing.com/4618-pete...o-maskaev.html
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Peter has done everything asked of him, he deserves his shot at Maskaev. If Vitali is truly coming back then he should have a warm up and then fight the winner of Peter: Maskaev...
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Peter will lose to either Klitchsko....he sucks ass..... :bananasex:
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Originally Posted by The Shadow
Peter will lose to Wladimir AGAIN and if he was evewr to fight Vitali I believe he would be stopped.
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
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Originally Posted by The Shadow
Peter will lose to Wladimir AGAIN and if he was evewr to fight Vitali I believe he would be stopped.
In a couple of fights time Peter may very well have improved even more. He is developing nicely. He may very well beat Wlad in the future...
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
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Originally Posted by The Shadow
Peter will lose to Wladimir AGAIN and if he was evewr to fight Vitali I believe he would be stopped.
1000% agreed...I am a big fan of all three...Peter,,Wlad and Vitaly,,,,
Wlad... is a good boxer who has good power as eveident by his past performences...He is also improving on how to handle a punch always a plus
Peter...Is a hard hard hitter who is improving with time...He showed his desire to become a better fighter and not rely on power alone in the Toney Rematch...Much improved...
Vitaly...IMO al
s long as he is healthy is plain out DANGEROUS all the way around...He can box...though nees some defense improving he was like Peter starting to work on that before he retired..( I mean c'mon he used Danny Williams as a showcase of what he has to offer)....Vitaly like Wlad and Peter hits Hard...and Vitaly is TOUGH!!!!!! your not Knocking him out with one punch and his offense makes it hard to land more than that....If he returned 100% healthy IMO he would own the division within a year leaving no questions on who is the #1 Heavyweight in the world...and that includes over Wlad
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Originally Posted by miles
Peter has done everything asked of him, he deserves his shot at Maskaev. If Vitali is truly coming back then he should have a warm up and then fight the winner of Peter: Maskaev...
true, he has done everything asked of him but Peter is not more deserving than Vitali....He was at the top and stepped down due to injuries(which is the only reason maskaev has a belt in the first place) and deserves the right to reclaim what is rightfully his...then Peter can step up to get beat down.....It is about time the HW division got put back on something close to "On track"...these pretenders only had a shot at the title because the real champs (Lewis, Vitali and Wlad: who can only whip so many fighters in a given year) left or have been defending and winning titles.
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Originally Posted by THE Bigragu
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Originally Posted by miles
Peter has done everything asked of him, he deserves his shot at Maskaev. If Vitali is truly coming back then he should have a warm up and then fight the winner of Peter: Maskaev...
true, he has done everything asked of him but Peter is not more deserving than Vitali....He was at the top and stepped down due to injuries(which is the only reason maskaev has a belt in the first place) and deserves the right to reclaim what is rightfully his...then Peter can step up to get beat down.....It is about time the HW division got put back on something close to "On track"...these pretenders only had a shot at the title because the real champs (Lewis, Vitali and Wlad: who can only whip so many fighters in a given year) left or have been defending and winning titles.
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but i dont think he has done everything, he was asked to beat wlad klitschko, and he failed..... However, he has went against everyone he was supposed to. Lets look at this, Wlad pretty much dominated that fight, what do you think peter is thinking right now..... If vitali fights maskaev, i'll never get a belt. Because wladdy is skilled, but his older brother is an animal. Peter is really pissed, cuz he might have his shot taken away, (For the time being) but he is even more pissed that his next bout might be against wlads older brother.
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If this is true then it's a fucking disgrace.
What other sport is there in the entire world where if the organisers don't like the result of a match they can order it to be replayed?
And then even when a fighter/player wins again more convincingly they can then decide to still not stick that person in the final and instead allow somebody who has been retired for 3 years to take his place.
If this story is true then surely Peter has a legal case against the WBC?
Forcing to him rebeat somebody he had already beaten was wrong, now making him step aside so that Vitali can just sidestep his way in is just out and out corruption. >:mad
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Originally Posted by bilbo
If this is true then it's a F****** disgrace.
What other sport is there in the entire world where if the organisers don't like the result of a match they can order it to be replayed?
And then even when a fighter/player wins again more convincingly they can then decide to still not stick that person in the final and instead allow somebody who has been retired for 3 years to take his place.
If this story is true then surely Peter has a legal case against the WBC?
Forcing to him rebeat somebody he had already beaten was wrong, now making him step aside so that Vitali can just sidestep his way in is just out and out corruption. >:mad
Well, it seems to be par for the course when it comes to Boxing ::** The Russian mob and lot's of under the table dealings are sure to be involved in this one. It makes complete sense to me for the Russians to want this fight because it will generate huge hype and millions more than a showdown with Peter. Plus, wasn't Vitali KO'd by Maskaev in the amateurs? I remember reading that somewhere but I'm not certain if it's true.
I do TOTALLY understand your disgust when it comes to these sanctioning bodies, though. It's beyond corrupt. It's fukin CRIMINAL!
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
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Originally Posted by The Shadow
Peter will lose to Wladimir AGAIN and if he was evewr to fight Vitali I believe he would be stopped.
I happen to believe he can KO them both the same night.
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This is a travesty. They made the man pay sanctioning fees twice to then deny him what he has earned. Disgusting!! Anybody with abrain can see what's going on here. I'm starting to think Wlad is more scared of Peter than I thought. So are Wlad fans and that's why they wanna see Peter overlooked.
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Its hard to just say that Peter would lose to Wlad because all he would need to do is land one punch... to do that he needs to run more, and do more footspeed increasing activities... The only reason Tyson was so effective was that he could catch his opponents.
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Originally Posted by The Shadow
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Originally Posted by bilbo
If this is true then it's a F****** disgrace.
What other sport is there in the entire world where if the organisers don't like the result of a match they can order it to be replayed?
And then even when a fighter/player wins again more convincingly they can then decide to still not stick that person in the final and instead allow somebody who has been retired for 3 years to take his place.
If this story is true then surely Peter has a legal case against the WBC?
Forcing to him rebeat somebody he had already beaten was wrong, now making him step aside so that Vitali can just sidestep his way in is just out and out corruption. >:mad
Well, it seems to be par for the course when it comes to Boxing ::** The Russian mob and lot's of under the table dealings are sure to be involved in this one. It makes complete sense to me for the Russians to want this fight because it will generate huge hype and millions more than a showdown with Peter. Plus, wasn't Vitali KO'd by Maskaev in the amateurs? I remember reading that somewhere but I'm not certain if it's true.
I do TOTALLY understand your disgust when it comes to these sanctioning bodies, though. It's beyond corrupt. It's fukin CRIMINAL!
Damn Shadow.....you just got yourself whacked by the Russian mafia. :badass:
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
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Originally Posted by The Shadow
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Originally Posted by bilbo
If this is true then it's a F****** disgrace.
What other sport is there in the entire world where if the organisers don't like the result of a match they can order it to be replayed?
And then even when a fighter/player wins again more convincingly they can then decide to still not stick that person in the final and instead allow somebody who has been retired for 3 years to take his place.
If this story is true then surely Peter has a legal case against the WBC?
Forcing to him rebeat somebody he had already beaten was wrong, now making him step aside so that Vitali can just sidestep his way in is just out and out corruption. >:mad
Well, it seems to be par for the course when it comes to Boxing ::** The Russian mob and lot's of under the table dealings are sure to be involved in this one. It makes complete sense to me for the Russians to want this fight because it will generate huge hype and millions more than a showdown with Peter. Plus, wasn't Vitali KO'd by Maskaev in the amateurs? I remember reading that somewhere but I'm not certain if it's true.
I do TOTALLY understand your disgust when it comes to these sanctioning bodies, though. It's beyond corrupt. It's fukin CRIMINAL!
Damn Shadow.....you just got yourself whacked by the Russian mafia. :badass:
I wouldn't want to play with those nastyfukers, man. They are pretty ruthless.
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Agreed Miles and Bilbo. Peter earned i. Vitali can wait in line for just 1 fight.
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Jose Sulaiman does it again.... :o
Crap!! The WBC is almost as bad as the IBF now....
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Originally Posted by amat
Agreed Miles and Bilbo. Peter earned i. Vitali can wait in line for just 1 fight.
I dont see why Vitali cant just have a warm up and then a few months down the line he can face Peter after Peter dismantles Maskaev (which is what would happen)...Peter against Vitali could grow into an even bigger fight than Maskaev: Klitschko....
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
This is a travesty. They made the man pay sanctioning fees twice to then deny him what he has earned. Disgusting!! Anybody with abrain can see what's going on here. I'm starting to think Wlad is more scared of Peter than I thought. So are Wlad fans and that's why they wanna see Peter overlooked.
It's kind of hard to be scared of a man you beat on for 12 rounds.
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I think Wlad took the first Peter fight because he and Manny knew that Sam had a lack of experience. I think that Wlad plans to steer clear of Peter from here on and it was in his interests all along to keep the WBC title out of Peter's hands.
Example: Wlad was and has been calling out Oleg. He even said that if the WBC let him fight Oleg, that he would fight the winner of Peter-Toney 2, which MOST people believed (including Wlad's people) that Toney would win This would have lined up Oleg and then James Toney next for Wlad. These would be good match ups for him, in my opinion since neither has both a strong chin along with punching power. Sam Peter goes on to beat Toney in the rematch by *gasp* outboxing him. This was a surprise for Manny and Wlad, who surely will want no part of a man that knocked him down 3 times and took all his shots PLUS excessive holding and leaning for 11.5 rounds (12 was when Peter finally Judah shuffled)
An experienced Sam Peter with improved boxing skills, most importantly finishing skills causes Wlad a big problem with a fair ref. Experienced also means no rabbit punching either. Sam Peter as WBC champ by beating James Toney twice and Oleg Maskaev would be an almost complete pro boxer. One that Wlad wouldn't call out for unification like he did for Oleg. So now that Little Klit was denied, he and Big bro find a way to keep that belt out of Peter's hands. Hence Vitali's comeback.
I am all for seeing the last legitimate heavyweight champion return, but not like this.
This is my speculation on the reasoning for this. I am no Sam peter fan, but why step over him now? Why didn't Vitali pull him mandatory card right after Oleg dismantled Rahman? This is to stop Peter from getting the WBC belt and I won't be surprised if Maskaev takes a dive.
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
This is a travesty. They made the man pay sanctioning fees twice to then deny him what he has earned. Disgusting!! Anybody with abrain can see what's going on here. I'm starting to think Wlad is more scared of Peter than I thought. So are Wlad fans and that's why they wanna see Peter overlooked.
It's kind of hard to be scared of a man you beat on for 12 rounds.
Did you really mean beat on or did you mean beat his meat? I don't know man, with all that holding and grabbing Wlad did, he might have been doing a little ball grabbing as well. I wouldn't be surprised. He's been pretty queerish since the last time he got KTFO.
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
This is a travesty. They made the man pay sanctioning fees twice to then deny him what he has earned. Disgusting!! Anybody with abrain can see what's going on here. I'm starting to think Wlad is more scared of Peter than I thought. So are Wlad fans and that's why they wanna see Peter overlooked.
It's kind of hard to be scared of a man you beat on for 12 rounds.
Did you really mean beat on or did you mean beat his meat? I don't know man, with all that holding and grabbing Wlad did, he might have been doing a little ball grabbing as well. I wouldn't be surprised. He's been pretty queerish since the last time he got KTFO.
It seem sto me Ricky Hatton held at least 3 times as much as Wladimir ever did and he didn't get sh..t for it.Someone just doesn't like Wladimir. :teacher:
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
This is a travesty. They made the man pay sanctioning fees twice to then deny him what he has earned. Disgusting!! Anybody with abrain can see what's going on here. I'm starting to think Wlad is more scared of Peter than I thought. So are Wlad fans and that's why they wanna see Peter overlooked.
It's kind of hard to be scared of a man you beat on for 12 rounds.
Did you really mean beat on or did you mean beat his meat? I don't know man, with all that holding and grabbing Wlad did, he might have been doing a little ball grabbing as well. I wouldn't be surprised. He's been pretty queerish since the last time he got KTFO.
It seem sto me Ricky Hatton held at least 3 times as much as Wladimir ever did and he didn't get sh..t for it.Someone just doesn't like Wladimir. :teacher:
No man actually he got plenty of Sh** for it. I for one thought he did it plenty before but now it's gotten out of control since he's stepped up his competition. Let's keep this convo about the HW's though.
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
This is a travesty. They made the man pay sanctioning fees twice to then deny him what he has earned. Disgusting!! Anybody with abrain can see what's going on here. I'm starting to think Wlad is more scared of Peter than I thought. So are Wlad fans and that's why they wanna see Peter overlooked.
It's kind of hard to be scared of a man you beat on for 12 rounds.
Did you really mean beat on or did you mean beat his meat? I don't know man, with all that holding and grabbing Wlad did, he might have been doing a little ball grabbing as well. I wouldn't be surprised. He's been pretty queerish since the last time he got KTFO.
So Peter got his ass kicked by a queer. Peter should be a fucking shame of himself
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Originally Posted by SMG
I think Wlad took the first Peter fight because he and Manny knew that Sam had a lack of experience. I think that Wlad plans to steer clear of Peter from here on and it was in his interests all along to keep the WBC title out of Peter's hands.
Maybe. Honestly though...I think that the main reason they took the Peter fight was due to the fact that a win would reestablish Wladimir's status in the division. It was an ugly fight & he looked quite unsure of himself in the first 5 rounds...but...he pulled it out & both fighters made a statement. For Wlad it was that he could take a punch, for Peter...he went in with the best heavy out there at the time & stood toe to toe with limited skills.
I have a feeling that quite a few people will be steering clear of Peter after the Toney win. That was a hell of a performance...especially as gifted & diverse as Toney is or was in his game & as limited as Peter is or was.
I want Peter to get on with a really good trainer...as raw as he is...a decent trainer could make all the difference in the world.
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Originally Posted by SMG
Example: Wlad was and has been calling out Oleg. He even said that if the WBC let him fight Oleg, that he would fight the winner of Peter-Toney 2, which MOST people believed (including Wlad's people) that Toney would win This would have lined up Oleg and then James Toney next for Wlad. These would be good match ups for him, in my opinion since neither has both a strong chin along with punching power. Sam Peter goes on to beat Toney in the rematch by *gasp* outboxing him. This was a surprise for Manny and Wlad, who surely will want no part of a man that knocked him down 3 times and took all his shots PLUS excessive holding and leaning for 11.5 rounds (12 was when Peter finally Judah shuffled)
I'm just not sure. Wlad's tasted his power...maybe he'll have a bit of confidence going into a rematch...there again...a man drops me that many times...I sure as shit aint gonna give him another opportunity...not unless I just had to.
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Originally Posted by SMG
An experienced Sam Peter with improved boxing skills, most importantly finishing skills causes Wlad a big problem with a fair ref. Experienced also means no rabbit punching either. Sam Peter as WBC champ by beating James Toney twice and Oleg Maskaev would be an almost complete pro boxer. One that Wlad wouldn't call out for unification like he did for Oleg. So now that Little Klit was denied, he and Big bro find a way to keep that belt out of Peter's hands. Hence Vitali's comeback.
Agreed 100%.
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Originally Posted by SMG
I am all for seeing the last legitimate heavyweight champion return, but not like this.
Again...agreed 100%. I don't want Peter to get bumped for Vitali's comeback...but how insane would it be if Vitali cameback, beat Maskaev, & then got his ass handed to him by a totally motivated & focused Samuel Peter?
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Originally Posted by SMG
This is my speculation on the reasoning for this. I am no Sam peter fan, but why step over him now? Why didn't Vitali pull him mandatory card right after Oleg dismantled Rahman? This is to stop Peter from getting the WBC belt and I won't be surprised if Maskaev takes a dive.
Honestly...I'm a fan of both Sam Peter & Vitali. I've always liked Vitali & I think him coming back into the game is a good thing...but I'd much rather him fight Valuev. That would be the right fight to make...or toss him in with Ruiz for a tune up. Christ almighty...I'd break out the wallet & empty it just to see him hammer Ruiz into silly putty.
Also...welcome to the forum. Have the Obligatory Wacko Welcome Wagon :coolclick:
Good post. Keep it up. This is a good place to be...keep an open mind & pump out good posts like this & you should get on fine. Cheers babe. :highfive:
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Thanks Wacko. Just like you I realized a while ago that Peter needs one of the top trainers to smooth out his game.
I'd pay to see Vitali vs Valuev without a minute's hesitation, but Vitali-Ruiz would = :jabbing:
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
Jose Sulaiman does it again.... :o
Crap!! The WBC is almost as bad as the IBF now....
Suliman has ZERO AUTHORITY!!!!!!!!.....This has become my belief!!!!....because one man can not make that many bad decisions in a row for so many years!!!...He has to be a "YES" man for a bunch of other guys.....There is no other way to explain his actions
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by SMG
I think Wlad took the first Peter fight because he and Manny knew that Sam had a lack of experience. I think that Wlad plans to steer clear of Peter from here on and it was in his interests all along to keep the WBC title out of Peter's hands.
Maybe. Honestly though...I think that the main reason they took the Peter fight was due to the fact that a win would reestablish Wladimir's status in the division. It was an ugly fight & he looked quite unsure of himself in the first 5 rounds...but...he pulled it out & both fighters made a statement. For Wlad it was that he could take a punch, for Peter...he went in with the best heavy out there at the time & stood toe to toe with limited skills.
I have a feeling that quite a few people will be steering clear of Peter after the Toney win. That was a hell of a performance...especially as gifted & diverse as Toney is or was in his game & as limited as Peter is or was.
I want Peter to get on with a really good trainer...as raw as he is...a decent trainer could make all the difference in the world.
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Originally Posted by SMG
Example: Wlad was and has been calling out Oleg. He even said that if the WBC let him fight Oleg, that he would fight the winner of Peter-Toney 2, which MOST people believed (including Wlad's people) that Toney would win This would have lined up Oleg and then James Toney next for Wlad. These would be good match ups for him, in my opinion since neither has both a strong chin along with punching power. Sam Peter goes on to beat Toney in the rematch by *gasp* outboxing him. This was a surprise for Manny and Wlad, who surely will want no part of a man that knocked him down 3 times and took all his shots PLUS excessive holding and leaning for 11.5 rounds (12 was when Peter finally Judah shuffled)
I'm just not sure. Wlad's tasted his power...maybe he'll have a bit of confidence going into a rematch...there again...a man drops me that many times...I sure as S*** aint gonna give him another opportunity...not unless I just had to.
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Originally Posted by SMG
An experienced Sam Peter with improved boxing skills, most importantly finishing skills causes Wlad a big problem with a fair ref. Experienced also means no rabbit punching either. Sam Peter as WBC champ by beating James Toney twice and Oleg Maskaev would be an almost complete pro boxer. One that Wlad wouldn't call out for unification like he did for Oleg. So now that Little Klit was denied, he and Big bro find a way to keep that belt out of Peter's hands. Hence Vitali's comeback.
Agreed 100%.
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Originally Posted by SMG
I am all for seeing the last legitimate heavyweight champion return, but not like this.
Again...agreed 100%. I don't want Peter to get bumped for Vitali's comeback...but how insane would it be if Vitali cameback, beat Maskaev, & then got his a** handed to him by a totally motivated & focused Samuel Peter?
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Originally Posted by SMG
This is my speculation on the reasoning for this. I am no Sam peter fan, but why step over him now? Why didn't Vitali pull him mandatory card right after Oleg dismantled Rahman? This is to stop Peter from getting the WBC belt and I won't be surprised if Maskaev takes a dive.
Honestly...I'm a fan of both Sam Peter & Vitali. I've always liked Vitali & I think him coming back into the game is a good thing...but I'd much rather him fight Valuev. That would be the right fight to make...or toss him in with Ruiz for a tune up. Christ almighty...I'd break out the wallet & empty it just to see him hammer Ruiz into silly putty.
Also...welcome to the forum. Have the Obligatory Wacko Welcome Wagon :coolclick:
Good post. Keep it up. This is a good place to be...keep an open mind & pump out good posts like this & you should get on fine. Cheers babe. :highfive:
I would be psyched to see Vit-Klit against Valuev. You're right, too, about Ruiz. That would be a good tuneup/comeback fight. Most of all, I just hope they don't screw over Sam Peter.
