HAYE TO MIX IT WITH THE BIG BOYS
European Cruiser-weight champion David Haye has announced he is making the step up to the heavy-weight division.
Haye has faced arduous battles to make weight at cruiser-weight level, but he can now put those to one side for the time being - confirming his next fight will be at heavy-weight in April.
The initial plan is for the English fighter to have one bout at heavy-weight, before returning to the cruiser-weight division for a WBC world title shot.
“He's set me the task of finding him a top-10 ranked heavy-weight in the world,” Haye's manager, Adam Booth, told Sky Sports News.
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gotta love people who ask them selves questions to answer that no one actualy thinks or gives a shit about lol..
“People are thinking 'why are you getting in the ring with a dangerous heavy-weight when you've got the mandatory WBC cruiser-weight position - it doesn't really make sense?'
lets face it 1 no one cares, 2 everyone knows the truth.. the champions are bad enough as it is, so any joke heavy haye is about to fight aint gunna be dangerous by any means lol, not to mantion the fact haye is having a tought time making the 190 limit, the fact that most people at 190 now worth fighting hit harder and are more skilled than the heavys haye would fight next anyhow lol not as if he will be fighting for a world title or someone like peter, you know what fuck it fight james toney, he needs a fight ;D
starting to lose faith in this guy. was a big big fan, now it seems he is moving to another devision so he doesn't get whooped by sum1 at 190 and lose his number 1 shot at bell.
ad-least enzo is fighting the IBF champ now he can't get haye, and that will pretty much land him a shot at bell if he wins next for a total amalgamation of the titles.
Wouldn't shock me if after fighting at heavy, haye goes and claims he can't make 190 anymore and stays up there and goes after the WBO belt, or come into the bell fight over the limit and try and fight bell in a nontitle
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So who's he gonna fight then? There aren't too many good british journeymen about these days, and I don't think he'd likely to get a fight with Audley Harrison or Matt Skelton. I wouldn't want to see him in there with Danny Williams, Scott Gammer is British champ so I don't think its likely he'll get a british title shot in a one-off fight. There's one or two randoms out there who could take him on. Herbie Hide is making a comeback at cruiserweight apparently, that might provide some entertainment.
I'd like to see him in against some quality American journeymen, experienced pro's who'll push him a bit but not pose too much serious threat to his title shot. Haye's good enough to beat people like Monte Barrett, Owen Beck, Fres Oquendo, guys like that. It'd help build his profile over in the states too, which would help when negotiating the O'Neil Bell fight.
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So who's he gonna fight then? There aren't too many good british journeymen about these days, and I don't think he'd likely to get a fight with Audley Harrison or Matt Skelton. I wouldn't want to see him in there with Danny Williams, Scott Gammer is British champ so I don't think its likely he'll get a british title shot in a one-off fight. There's one or two randoms out there who could take him on. Herbie Hide is making a comeback at cruiserweight apparently, that might provide some entertainment.
I'd like to see him in against some quality American journeymen, experienced pro's who'll push him a bit but not pose too much serious threat to his title shot. Haye's good enough to beat people like Monte Barrett, Owen Beck, Fres Oquendo, guys like that. It'd help build his profile over in the states too, which would help when negotiating the O'Neil Bell fight.
Bell fight would prolly take place in the UK, seems he is such a small name in the states he wouldn't really be able to headline an event, haye and enzo have and will be able to headline an event with ease, factor bell in and tickets will go very fast
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ad-least enzo is fighting the IBF champ now he can't get haye, and that will pretty much land him a shot at bell if he wins next for a total amalgamation of the titles.
Dream on ;D
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starting to lose faith in this guy. was a big big fan, now it seems he is moving to another devision so he doesn't get whooped by sum1 at 190 and lose his number 1 shot at bell.
Really? I think the way Haye has got on with things and the choices he has made would suggest that losing his ranking, good looks, 0 (already blown that ;D ) isnt something that bothers him unduly.
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ad-least enzo is fighting the IBF champ now he can't get haye, and that will pretty much land him a shot at bell if he wins next for a total amalgamation of the titles.
Dream on ;D
dream on about what? if enzo wins the ibf he will face bell no doubt. Enzo wnats it and so does bell,one thing im starting to really like about bell is he seens to want big fights and to fight the best out there, and i think enzo is very much like him. im hoping they both come through their next fights and face eachother.
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Since when has Enzo been fighting Wlodorcyck? (sp? ;D )
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Since when has Enzo been fighting Wlodorcyck? (sp? ;D )
think i posdted a few articles about it on here, after the haye fight fell through enzo was hoping to secure a fight with the ibf champ on the calzaghe undercard, polish fella aint he? he promo had said he had had contact from warren and it was a fight they wanted and hoped to make it for the calzaghe v manfredo undercard
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;D
Maybe Wlodarczyk is gonna retire and they've agreed to give Enzo the belt...
All the while Enzo has that WBO belt everytime they annouce who he's defending against it'll be straight to boxrec time
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If Haye can't get a shot at O'Neil Bell then making the move up to heavyweight is the logical step.
I think some of you guys are being too hypercritical of the heavyweight division.
If the best fighters were at cruiserweight as it seems some of you seem to believe than surely they would all have moved up and O Neil Bell, Jean Marc Mormeck and Steve Cunningham would all be heavyweight champs now right?
Haye has to my mind progressed quite nicely in his career so far. I for one would love to see him in a British heavyweight title fight against the winner of Danny Williams and Scott Gammer.
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If Haye can't get a shot at O'Neil Bell then making the move up to heavyweight is the logical step.
I think some of you guys are being too hypercritical of the heavyweight division.
If the best fighters were at cruiserweight as it seems some of you seem to believe than surely they would all have moved up and O Neil Bell, Jean Marc Mormeck and Steve Cunningham would all be heavyweight champs now right?
Haye has to my mind progressed quite nicely in his career so far. I for one would love to see him in a British heavyweight title fight against the winner of Danny Williams and Scott Gammer.
i think gammer is still a bit to green for haye right now, but haye is next to fight Bell; not that bell would have any reason to duck him, if he wont fight haye next he would have to vacate the WBC
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Since when has Enzo been fighting Wlodorcyck? (sp? ;D )
Maccarinelli's people called my gym wanting a fight, so Enzo has the spirit of a champion. Whether he has the boxing skills of a champion is another question. I commend him for calling me up - I respect a man who know what he wants. That shows courage."
"Powerhouse Maccarinelli - who could fight Polish IBF champ Krzysztof Wlodarczyk if the Haye clash doesn't happen - concluded: "I'm the world's number two cruiserweight and Bell is number one so he'd be ideal."
Taken from...
Not the extract iw a slooking for but the only one i can find atm ;D
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Maccarinelli 'COULD' be a raging homosexual. He probably isnt though ;)
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Maccarinelli 'COULD' be a raging homosexual. He probably isnt though ;)
sumin tells me u don't think much of enzo:P?
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I dont think Enzo is the problem mate ;)
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I dont think Enzo is the problem mate ;)
frank:P?
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So who's he gonna fight then? There aren't too many good british journeymen about these days, and I don't think he'd likely to get a fight with Audley Harrison or Matt Skelton. I wouldn't want to see him in there with Danny Williams, Scott Gammer is British champ so I don't think its likely he'll get a british title shot in a one-off fight. There's one or two randoms out there who could take him on. Herbie Hide is making a comeback at cruiserweight apparently, that might provide some entertainment.
I'd like to see him in against some quality American journeymen, experienced pro's who'll push him a bit but not pose too much serious threat to his title shot. Haye's good enough to beat people like Monte Barrett, Owen Beck, Fres Oquendo, guys like that. It'd help build his profile over in the states too, which would help when negotiating the O'Neil Bell fight.
screw that....let him fight Byrd.....and that should end all this nonsense.
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gotta love people who ask them selves questions to answer that no one actualy thinks or gives a S*** about lol..
“People are thinking 'why are you getting in the ring with a dangerous heavy-weight when you've got the mandatory WBC cruiser-weight position - it doesn't really make sense?'
lets face it 1 no one cares, 2 everyone knows the truth.. the champions are bad enough as it is, so any joke heavy haye is about to fight aint gunna be dangerous by any means lol, not to mantion the fact haye is having a tought time making the 190 limit, the fact that most people at 190 now worth fighting hit harder and are more skilled than the heavys haye would fight next anyhow lol not as if he will be fighting for a world title or someone like peter, you know what F*** it fight james toney, he needs a fight ;D
starting to lose faith in this guy. was a big big fan, now it seems he is moving to another devision so he doesn't get whooped by sum1 at 190 and lose his number 1 shot at bell.
ad-least enzo is fighting the IBF champ now he can't get haye, and that will pretty much land him a shot at bell if he wins next for a total amalgamation of the titles.
Wouldn't shock me if after fighting at heavy, haye goes and claims he can't make 190 anymore and stays up there and goes after the WBO belt, or come into the bell fight over the limit and try and fight bell in a nontitle
The HW division may be terrible today, but that certainly doens't mean that it's less dangerous for a cruiser to move up and fight there, especially considering there's absolutely no depth or any dominant fighters at cruiserweight.. As bad as the HW division is, I could name 10 fighters off the top easily who I would pick to KO David Haye.. The guy has shown to have very questionable stmaina and a weak chin at cruiser... I have no trouble thinking of guys who I deon't think he could handle... And since you wan't to make the joke of him fighting Toney, James would bne one fighter who would aboslutely murder him in the late rounds.. Along with Maskaev, Briggs, either Klit, Peter, Rahman, hell... I wouldn't pick David Haye to beat RAy Mercer until he can actually prove someone wrong ab out his stamina and chin. Let alone whether he will have power himself at HW.
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gotta love people who ask them selves questions to answer that no one actualy thinks or gives a S*** about lol..
“People are thinking 'why are you getting in the ring with a dangerous heavy-weight when you've got the mandatory WBC cruiser-weight position - it doesn't really make sense?'
lets face it 1 no one cares, 2 everyone knows the truth.. the champions are bad enough as it is, so any joke heavy haye is about to fight aint gunna be dangerous by any means lol, not to mantion the fact haye is having a tought time making the 190 limit, the fact that most people at 190 now worth fighting hit harder and are more skilled than the heavys haye would fight next anyhow lol not as if he will be fighting for a world title or someone like peter, you know what F*** it fight james toney, he needs a fight ;D
starting to lose faith in this guy. was a big big fan, now it seems he is moving to another devision so he doesn't get whooped by sum1 at 190 and lose his number 1 shot at bell.
ad-least enzo is fighting the IBF champ now he can't get haye, and that will pretty much land him a shot at bell if he wins next for a total amalgamation of the titles.
Wouldn't shock me if after fighting at heavy, haye goes and claims he can't make 190 anymore and stays up there and goes after the WBO belt, or come into the bell fight over the limit and try and fight bell in a nontitle
The HW division may be terrible today, but that certainly doens't mean that it's less dangerous for a cruiser to move up and fight there, especially considering there's absolutely no depth or any dominant fighters at cruiserweight.. As bad as the HW division is, I could name 10 fighters off the top easily who I would pick to KO David Haye.. The guy has shown to have very questionable stmaina and a weak chin at cruiser... I have no trouble thinking of guys who I deon't think he could handle... And since you wan't to make the joke of him fighting Toney, James would bne one fighter who would aboslutely murder him in the late rounds.. Along with Maskaev, Briggs, either Klit, Peter, Rahman, hell... I wouldn't pick David Haye to beat RAy Mercer until he can actually prove someone wrong ab out his stamina and chin. Let alone whether he will have power himself at HW.
why i said to fight toney so toney could beat him ::**
Haye will fight a bad heavy, read what i said, i hardly expect him to fight anyone in the top 10 atm
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p4pking, don't you think he showed a lot of stamina and heart against fragomeni? Sure Frag's not Vitali Klitschko but he was trying to grind Haye down, drag him into the trenches, question his heart, and Haye got thru it. Haye went through it all and came out with a late KO. The only reason he hasnt showed great stamina is coz he used to try knocking everyone out in the first 2 rounds. He's smarter than that now, the Thompson fight taught him a lot about not blowing his load too early.
Put it any way you want but Haye has the handspeed and power to hurt ANY heavyweight out there. Look how slow Shannon Briggs is with his hangs, do you think he'd beat Haye to the punch? Also, Briggs has absolutely no stamina what-so-fucking ever but he won a title, if he can do it why can't Haye?
I'd like to see him in there with a small ish heavyweight, not a monster puncher just a decent heavy like I mentioned, to see how he deals with the power. Haye walks round at 235lbs, he's a natural heavyweight, the step up shouldn't be too hard for him.
Fight Fres Oquendo at heavy, then O'Neil Bell, then defend against Chris Byrd before moving up in early 2008. That will tell us how good he is. Haye is the best heavyweight prospect in the world, and although I think he's very beatable I also think he has what it takes to beat a lot of the top heavy's.
