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Most Cowardly Act Ever Witnessed in Boxing
Which of these is the lowest of the low?
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If you consider the headbutting , the biting wasnt that cowardly
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Originally Posted by Poom
If you consider the headbutting , the biting wasnt that cowardly
The headbutting had nothing to do with the fact Tyson was getting his @ss kicked. That's just the justification delusional Tyson fans use to try to live with the fact that their icon is inferior to Holyfield.
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Ricky Hatton dodging every good fighter on God's green Earth WTF?
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Originally Posted by smashcrusher
Which of these is the lowest of the low?
How in the world did you get to be a forum champ on this forum?
Who has hatton dodged? His very first step up was Tszyu.. He then fought his next three fights as world title bouts.. Do you have any idea of the sort of skill level that fighters like urango and collazo even have?
These men are better then you can ever imagine.. Nevermind theyr records or how they have performed in the past.. If you had any of these men directly in front of you doing what they do.. You would take it all back...
Also i agree tyson's ear biting is not as bad as made out when you consider the headbutts...
And i beleive the sucker punch is obviously the worst...
But this poll is silly since you cannot compare hatton to those two..
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Even though Butler and Tyson's outbursts were more dispicable, I can somewhat understand them getting caught up in the heat of the moment. Hatton, however, performs his acts of cowardice during negotiations, and that is much lower IMO. That, my friends, is true cowardice.
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Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
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Originally Posted by smashcrusher
Which of these is the lowest of the low?
How in the world did you get to be a forum champ on this forum?
Who has hatton dodged? His very first step up was Tszyu.. He then fought his next three fights as world title bouts.. Do you have any idea of the sort of skill level that fighters like urango and collazo even have?
These men are better then you can ever imagine.. Nevermind theyr records or how they have performed in the past.. If you had any of these men directly in front of you doing what they do.. You would take it all back...
Also i agree tyson's ear biting is not as bad as made out when you consider the headbutts...
And i beleive the sucker punch is obviously the worst...
But this poll is silly since you cannot compare hatton to those two..
You know, reading this I honestly can't tell if you love Hatton or hate him ;D ;D ;D because I'm positive that HAS to be sarcasm; "Do you have any idea the sort of skill level that fighters like urango and collazo even have?" ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D lmmfao
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Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
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Originally Posted by smashcrusher
Which of these is the lowest of the low?
How in the world did you get to be a forum champ on this forum?
Who has hatton dodged? His very first step up was Tszyu.. He then fought his next three fights as world title bouts.. Do you have any idea of the sort of skill level that fighters like urango and collazo even have?
These men are better then you can ever imagine.. Nevermind theyr records or how they have performed in the past.. If you had any of these men directly in front of you doing what they do.. You would take it all back...
Well written.. People who have not seen live pro boxing, or even seen a good pro train , really don't appreciate how skillful and how hard even a "feather fisted" pro hits.
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Yea Tyson was a bully looking for way out everytime things didnt go his way.
Hatton love him or loath him he is a good fighter
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From that list, no question it was James Butler's cheap shot.
Because it wasn't an act in the heat of the moment. It was well after the fight and after the cards were read.
I'd also add to the list of most cowardly acts,
- Panama Lewis stripping the padding off his fighter's gloves.
- I don't remember the names but they showed a clip during a FNF or something where one of the fighters raised his hand to touch gloves at the start of the fight but the other guy smacked him with a sucker punch and instantly knocked him out. I know it's not against the rules and you should protect yourself at all times, but that was the most gawdamn cowardly act of unsportsmanship.
- Golota constant nad attacks.
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Originally Posted by smashcrusher
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Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
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Originally Posted by smashcrusher
Which of these is the lowest of the low?
How in the world did you get to be a forum champ on this forum?
Who has hatton dodged? His very first step up was Tszyu.. He then fought his next three fights as world title bouts.. Do you have any idea of the sort of skill level that fighters like urango and collazo even have?
These men are better then you can ever imagine.. Nevermind theyr records or how they have performed in the past.. If you had any of these men directly in front of you doing what they do.. You would take it all back...
Also i agree tyson's ear biting is not as bad as made out when you consider the headbutts...
And i beleive the sucker punch is obviously the worst...
But this poll is silly since you cannot compare hatton to those two..
You know, reading this I honestly can't tell if you love Hatton or hate him ;D ;D ;D because I'm positive that HAS to be sarcasm; "Do you have any idea the sort of skill level that fighters like urango and collazo even have?" ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D lmmfao
You have obviously never boxed in your life... ::**
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Originally Posted by meowza
From that list, no question it was James Butler's cheap shot.
Because it wasn't an act in the heat of the moment. It was well after the fight and after the cards were read.
I'd also add to the list of most cowardly acts,
- Panama Lewis stripping the padding off his fighter's gloves.
- I don't remember the names but they showed a clip during a FNF or something where one of the fighters raised his hand to touch gloves at the start of the fight but the other guy smacked him with a sucker punch and instantly knocked him out. I know it's not against the rules and you should protect yourself at all times, but that was the most gawdamn cowardly act of unsportsmanship.
- Golota constant nad attacks.
I remember the incident you mentioned where the fighter went to touch gloves and got folded and that wasn't cowardly at all. Dirty? Maybe, but nothing cowardly about that. If anything, it was stupidity on the other fighters part. I also don't think Golata's act was cowardly because he was kicking Riddick's @ss. That had nothing to do with fear, that was just a crazy guy with issues.
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Originally Posted by Samson3000
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Originally Posted by meowza
From that list, no question it was James Butler's cheap shot.
Because it wasn't an act in the heat of the moment. It was well after the fight and after the cards were read.
I'd also add to the list of most cowardly acts,
- Panama Lewis stripping the padding off his fighter's gloves.
- I don't remember the names but they showed a clip during a FNF or something where one of the fighters raised his hand to touch gloves at the start of the fight but the other guy smacked him with a sucker punch and instantly knocked him out. I know it's not against the rules and you should protect yourself at all times, but that was the most gawdamn cowardly act of unsportsmanship.
- Golota constant nad attacks.
I remember the incident you mentioned where the fighter went to touch gloves and got folded and that wasn't cowardly at all. Dirty? Maybe, but nothing cowardly about that. If anything, it was stupidity on the other fighters part. I also don't think Golata's act was cowardly because he was kicking Riddick's @ss. That had nothing to do with fear, that was just a crazy guy with issues.
You say dirty, I say cowardly. You say potato, I say potato. (Wait, that phrase doesn't work too good on the internet)
In my opinion, a coward does whatever he can to get out of his position of adversity even if it means creating more.
The sucker puncher's adversity was stepping in the ring. He wanted out and was looking for the quickest way possible. Dirty? Yes. Opportunist? Definitely. Coward? I'd say so.
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Originally Posted by meowza
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Originally Posted by Samson3000
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Originally Posted by meowza
From that list, no question it was James Butler's cheap shot.
Because it wasn't an act in the heat of the moment. It was well after the fight and after the cards were read.
I'd also add to the list of most cowardly acts,
- Panama Lewis stripping the padding off his fighter's gloves.
- I don't remember the names but they showed a clip during a FNF or something where one of the fighters raised his hand to touch gloves at the start of the fight but the other guy smacked him with a sucker punch and instantly knocked him out. I know it's not against the rules and you should protect yourself at all times, but that was the most gawdamn cowardly act of unsportsmanship.
- Golota constant nad attacks.
I remember the incident you mentioned where the fighter went to touch gloves and got folded and that wasn't cowardly at all. Dirty? Maybe, but nothing cowardly about that. If anything, it was stupidity on the other fighters part. I also don't think Golata's act was cowardly because he was kicking Riddick's @ss. That had nothing to do with fear, that was just a crazy guy with issues.
You say dirty, I say cowardly. You say potato, I say potato. (Wait, that phrase doesn't work too good on the internet)
In my opinion, a coward does whatever he can to get out of his position of adversity even if it means creating more.
The sucker puncher's adversity was stepping in the ring. He wanted out and was looking for the quickest way possible. Dirty? Yes. Opportunist? Definitely. Coward? I'd say so.
;D Your funny
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Originally Posted by meowza
From that list, no question it was James Butler's cheap shot.
Because it wasn't an act in the heat of the moment. It was well after the fight and after the cards were read.
I'd also add to the list of most cowardly acts,
- Panama Lewis stripping the padding off his fighter's gloves.
- I don't remember the names but they showed a clip during a FNF or something where one of the fighters raised his hand to touch gloves at the start of the fight but the other guy smacked him with a sucker punch and instantly knocked him out. I know it's not against the rules and you should protect yourself at all times, but that was the most gawdamn cowardly act of unsportsmanship.
- Golota constant nad attacks.
That was Gabriel Krizan vs. Angel Torres. Gabriel Krizan has never fully recovered from that punch. I think your assessment is correct in calling it cowardly. Because he obviously didn't think he could beat him when his guard was up so he punched him when his guard was down. He knew that Gabriel was looking to touch gloves to start the match and he hit him anyway. While not illegal it is still repulsive to me that an act of sportsmanship cost Gabriel Krizan so much.
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Originally Posted by Swice
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Originally Posted by meowza
From that list, no question it was James Butler's cheap shot.
Because it wasn't an act in the heat of the moment. It was well after the fight and after the cards were read.
I'd also add to the list of most cowardly acts,
- Panama Lewis stripping the padding off his fighter's gloves.
- I don't remember the names but they showed a clip during a FNF or something where one of the fighters raised his hand to touch gloves at the start of the fight but the other guy smacked him with a sucker punch and instantly knocked him out. I know it's not against the rules and you should protect yourself at all times, but that was the most gawdamn cowardly act of unsportsmanship.
- Golota constant nad attacks.
That was Gabriel Krizan vs. Angel Torres. Gabriel Krizan has never fully recovered from that punch. I think your assessment is correct in calling it cowardly. Because he obviously didn't think he could beat him when his guard was up so he punched him when his guard was down. He knew that Gabriel was looking to touch gloves to start the match and he hit him anyway. While not illegal it is still repulsive to me that an act of sportsmanship cost Gabriel Krizan so much.
Yeah, he was scared of a guy who was 7-4 ::**
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If you'll modify the third option from "Ricky Hatton dodging every good fighter on God's green Earth" to "After beating Kostya Hatton has bailed on his challenges just to notch up an undefeated record that holds less water than a fish bowl at a carnival", only then will I vote.
Heh heh heh.
Nah...I voted the Tyson thing.
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WTF! How about Tyson quitting on the stool against the Irish hulk who was once tko'd by...for Christ sakes...Louis Monoco. Top that!
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i chose the tyson bite. never seen the butler incident to be honest. anyone got vid footage?
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Tyson,All day long and not just the ear incident but the attempted arm breaking and nipple biting!!
Bully tactics
And we all know that bullies are cowards 8)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR4CV...elated&search=
I thought that this was one of the worst things I've ever seen in boxing. I think Butler is in prison for murder now.
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F*ck me sideways :o Never seen that.
Still say spitting your gumshield out twice and having someones eartop off with your teeth is far worse. ;)
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About Andrew Golota refusing to leave his corner during the Tyson fight?
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Originally Posted by The Shadow
cool click thanks. whoa that was cowardly. like the way the commentator was yelling arrest him on the spot.
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Originally Posted by smashcrusher
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Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
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Originally Posted by smashcrusher
Which of these is the lowest of the low?
How in the world did you get to be a forum champ on this forum?
Who has hatton dodged? His very first step up was Tszyu.. He then fought his next three fights as world title bouts.. Do you have any idea of the sort of skill level that fighters like urango and collazo even have?
These men are better then you can ever imagine.. Nevermind theyr records or how they have performed in the past.. If you had any of these men directly in front of you doing what they do.. You would take it all back...
Also i agree tyson's ear biting is not as bad as made out when you consider the headbutts...
And i beleive the sucker punch is obviously the worst...
But this poll is silly since you cannot compare hatton to those two..
You know, reading this I honestly can't tell if you love Hatton or hate him ;D ;D ;D because I'm positive that HAS to be sarcasm; "Do you have any idea the sort of skill level that fighters like urango and collazo even have?" ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D lmmfao
reading your posts I honestly can't tell if you were born stupid or took lessons at it
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Originally Posted by LBSCFC
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Originally Posted by The Shadow
cool click thanks. whoa that was cowardly. like the way the commentator was yelling arrest him on the spot.
Yeah, back at ya C.C. I'm serious about Butler being in Prison now, too. He killed Max Kellerman's brother, Sam.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Butler_(boxer)
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Originally Posted by Samson3000
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Originally Posted by Swice
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Originally Posted by meowza
From that list, no question it was James Butler's cheap shot.
Because it wasn't an act in the heat of the moment. It was well after the fight and after the cards were read.
I'd also add to the list of most cowardly acts,
- Panama Lewis stripping the padding off his fighter's gloves.
- I don't remember the names but they showed a clip during a FNF or something where one of the fighters raised his hand to touch gloves at the start of the fight but the other guy smacked him with a sucker punch and instantly knocked him out. I know it's not against the rules and you should protect yourself at all times, but that was the most gawdamn cowardly act of unsportsmanship.
- Golota constant nad attacks.
That was Gabriel Krizan vs. Angel Torres. Gabriel Krizan has never fully recovered from that punch. I think your assessment is correct in calling it cowardly. Because he obviously didn't think he could beat him when his guard was up so he punched him when his guard was down. He knew that Gabriel was looking to touch gloves to start the match and he hit him anyway. While not illegal it is still repulsive to me that an act of sportsmanship cost Gabriel Krizan so much.
Yeah, he was scared of a guy who was 7-4 ::**
He was 7-3 at the time. He was only 7-4 after the loss to Angel Torres. But that is neither here nor there because the real question is if he wasn't afraid of him then why would he have hit him when he was obviously trying to touch gloves. I have seen tons of boxing matches where an opponent comes to the center of the ring to touch gloves after the bell rings for the first round and except for this occasion I have never seen anyone take advantage of that moment. It wasn't an illegal shot but it was a cheap shot. Besides in this era of corrupt boxing judges and shady decisions records rarely tell the true story.
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this is just a shot at hatton right?
what a waste of forum space.
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Butler sucker punch.
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Tyson ear bite.
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Originally Posted by LBSCFC
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Originally Posted by The Shadow
cool click thanks. whoa that was cowardly. like the way the commentator was yelling arrest him on the spot.
That was Teddy Atlas yelling that out.
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It's a tie between Ricky Hatton and Joe Calzaghe dodging every good fighter on God's green Earth, God's blue Earth, God's red Earth and so on.
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Originally Posted by Poom
If you consider the headbutting , the biting wasnt that cowardly
Exactly, I don't think it was cowardly at all, it just shows the lack of control that Tyson has.
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
It's a tie between Ricky Hatton and Joe Calzaghe dodging every good fighter on God's green Earth, God's blue Earth, God's red Earth and so on.
Your are so boring it's untrue ;)
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
It's a tie between Ricky Hatton and Joe Calzaghe dodging every good fighter on God's green Earth, God's blue Earth, God's red Earth and so on.
Your are so boring it's untrue ;)
That's the thing about the truth. It usually is boring.
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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
About Andrew Golota refusing to leave his corner during the Tyson fight?
He left his corner alright...he headed to the locker room. Too bad, he had weathered the storm it was only going to get easier for him as the fight went on.
Golota just loses every BIG FIGHT in a worse manner than the one before
Ricky Hatton hasn't dodged anyone...Joe Calzaghe hasn't dodged many people.....they just would rather fight in England and other fighters feel they can't get a fair shake over there. Same can be said of Roy Jones Jr. who wouldn't fight outside of the US.....it's just the nature of the beast, some people care more about their records than other people....in the old days you just fought the best out there regardless of records.
I would say the most cowardly acts in boxing are as follows
Sonny Liston diving in the first round in the rematch vs Ali
Roberto Duran quitting vs Ray Leonard in the rematch.....he never really recovered from that
Shannon Briggs trash talking Sam peter and Wladimir Klitschko and yet never legitimately trying to fight them..... for example
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Shannon Briggs is what we like to call a PUSSY
He said Wlad was supposed to avenge his losses.....well Shannon never fought Sedrick Fields again....he never fought Darrol Wilson again.....he never fought Lennox Lewis again......he never fought Jameel McCline again.....it pisses me off to no end the way that mother fucker talks shit....make a fucking fight already!!!!! SULTAN IBRAGIMOV!!!!! Bull crap!
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
It's a tie between Ricky Hatton and Joe Calzaghe dodging every good fighter on God's green Earth, God's blue Earth, God's red Earth and so on.
Your are so boring it's untrue ;)
That's the thing about the truth. It usually is boring.
I agree with you that since Lacy and Tszyu neither has continued to operate at that level and it p1sses me off bigtime! - but give them credit for both doing something that not many people thought they would or could - and doing it in style i.e beating the recognized number 1 in their division
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Roberto Duran quitting vs Ray Leonard in the rematch.....he never really recovered from that
Gotta disagree here, you say he never really recovered from that.
I think the famous 'No Mas' did not affect his legacy, career or mental state of mind. He knew exactly what he was doing and was well aware that he did not wan't to continue to fight out of frustration that SRL was as good as a balarina in a pink tutu dancing in the ring with him.
He made a choice and he lived with it.
IMO, after that lost his career got some momentum back up he beat Pipino, Moore & his last hurrah! was Barkley. Which ultimately many people say the Moore & Barkley wins are what solidified his career as a G.O.A.T.
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Shannon Briggs trash talking Sam peter and Wladimir Klitschko and yet never legitimately trying to fight them..... for example
[youtube=425,350]KN2hSrQJ4IE[/youtube]
Shannon Briggs is what we like to call a PUSSY
He said Wlad was supposed to avenge his losses.....well Shannon never fought Sedrick Fields again....he never fought Darrol Wilson again.....he never fought Lennox Lewis again......he never fought Jameel McCline again.....it pisses me off to no end the way that mother fucker talks shit....make a fucking fight already!!!!! SULTAN IBRAGIMOV!!!!! Bull crap!
This here I completely agree, I remeber watching this on tv and saying what the fwock is Briggs saying & why is he dressed like hes on his way to school?
Hes a loud mouth and I hope once Wladdy & him settle out their fights on the 10th they can meet up and Wladdy hands him his a$$ on a golden tray...
8)
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
It's a tie between Ricky Hatton and Joe Calzaghe dodging every good fighter on God's green Earth, God's blue Earth, God's red Earth and so on.
Your are so boring it's untrue ;)
That's the thing about the truth. It usually is boring.
I agree with you that since Lacy and Tszyu neither has continued to operate at that level and it p1sses me off bigtime! - but give them credit for both doing something that not many people thought they would or could - and doing it in style i.e beating the recognized number 1 in their division
Tszyu hasn't fought again, yet. And Lacy continues to be the mediocre fighter he always has been. So what exactly is your point? Let me guess. Like always you have none, right?
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
It's a tie between Ricky Hatton and Joe Calzaghe dodging every good fighter on God's green Earth, God's blue Earth, God's red Earth and so on.
Your are so boring it's untrue ;)
That's the thing about the truth. It usually is boring.
I agree with you that since Lacy and Tszyu neither has continued to operate at that level and it p1sses me off bigtime! - but give them credit for both doing something that not many people thought they would or could - and doing it in style i.e beating the recognized number 1 in their division
Tszyu hasn't fought again, yet. And Lacy continues to be the mediocre fighter he always has been. So what exactly is your point? Let me guess. Like always you have none, right?
Well Tszyu was beaten into retirement - so wots your point??
...and 'Lacy was always mediocre' 'nobody ever rated him' , 'Calzaghe was always gonna beat him' - I am sure you had Calzaghe favourite for that fight didn't ya LMAO
Shouldn't have 'medirocre' fighters all over Billboards and featured in the superbowl and being billed as the Super Middle weight Tyson should ya.
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
It's a tie between Ricky Hatton and Joe Calzaghe dodging every good fighter on God's green Earth, God's blue Earth, God's red Earth and so on.
Your are so boring it's untrue ;)
That's the thing about the truth. It usually is boring.
I agree with you that since Lacy and Tszyu neither has continued to operate at that level and it p1sses me off bigtime! - but give them credit for both doing something that not many people thought they would or could - and doing it in style i.e beating the recognized number 1 in their division
Tszyu hasn't fought again, yet. And Lacy continues to be the mediocre fighter he always has been. So what exactly is your point? Let me guess. Like always you have none, right?
Well Tszyu was beaten into retirement - so wots your point??
...and 'Lacy was always mediocre' 'nobody ever rated him' , 'Calzaghe was always gonna beat him' - I am sure you had Calzaghe favourite for that fight didn't ya LMAO
Shouldn't have 'medirocre' fighters all over Billboards and featured in the superbowl and being billed as the Super Middle weight Tyson should ya.
Just because most picked Lacy to beat Calzaghe doesn't mean that with hindsight they can't realize that he wasn't as good as they thought.. And I didn't even pick Lacy, I thought it could go either way without even having seen much of Calzaghe.. It's not as if there wasn't evidence that Lacy was seriously overhyped before he fought Joe... He struggled in several fights, with donnel Wiggins, Rubin Williams, Omar Sheika( who I had seen Calzaghe completely tortue and stop 5 years and 4 BAD LOSSES prior to his going the distance with Lacy, hurting him and winning many rounds), I think there were even another couple fights where he looked bad or was even in trouble like those 2. Can't really disagree with your point, since all the hype for Lacy was there, but it wasn't really deserved and there's nothing wrong with pointing that out after the fact.