one winner for me duran. what do you guys think
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one winner for me duran. what do you guys think
If people have Pernell winning this fight there is no way you can't have the best Mayweather also winning this fight. if you're using Castillo I as a schematic for this fight throw it out because PBF had two broken ribs, and a torn rotator cuff going into the fight. In the second fight Castillo wasn't able to hit him with anything clean, and most of his "connects" came while they were clinching, and the punches were pretty much meaning less. I think Mayweather would have a close fight with Duran, but he would win, and maybe even knock Duran down because Mayweather is, and was a respectable puncher p4p in his real classes. I see him staying away jabbing, and when they get to the ropes like against Corrales or Castillo he dips under Duran's hooks and slides away. Mayweather had better reflexes than Leonard and less likely to stand and trade with the hands of stone which is the only reason Duran won the first fight.
Mayweather could never win in a "fight" with Duran. He would have to take no chances at all. Mayweather would not be able to win in close against Duran so he would cautiously fight on the outside under the aggresion of Duran. So, Duran would be the dictating the pace of the fight while PBF would be pecking away at him andscoring points with meaningless punches. PBF would likely win a close decision en route to losing a lot o fans.............................................. ..................oh yeah and the other outcome is PBF gets batterered by the tougher, more aggressive and harer puncher Duran and gets stopped late trying to trade with the hands of stone.
When was the last time Mayweather Jr. actually FOUGHT someone instead of boxed and moved?????
Im talking about taking risks and mixing it up a little. Mayweather took risks when he was a lightweight but he wouldnt againt Duran.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
....you're absolutely right, PBF would be running for the whole fight vs Duran and rightfully so.
The thing is "Hands of Stone" knew how to make someone brawl
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Touch of James Bond in there ain't there
Almost a Sugar Ray - Duran Repeat IMO. It can really go both ways. ???
Duran by KO in 6 or 7...just to agressive and would apply to much relentless pressure. Floyd would be on the defensive all fight until Duran would catch up with him.
am i the only one who remembers floyds ko power at lightweight???
pbf drops him at lightweight at least once in the fight and goes on to win a ud..................
but it wouldnt be close ;)
Duran just wouldn't let him throw enough punches to get a decision. Nobody has ever been good enough to test Mayweathers chin yet. Duran would have big time and it wouldn't have been pretty!
And wisely so.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
That's like saying Duran could beat Floyd... if Floyd let him punch him sometimes.
It'd be Duran - Leonard II
I don't think he'd "No mas" Duran, but it'd be a UD.
Floyd doesn't lose at lightweight. His speed is just too much. And his power at lightweight wasn't too shabby, baby.
Roberto Duran had a way to draw people into a fight and Duran was a very good defensive boxer as well.
IMO if Oscar De la Hoya was smart he'd be the black hat vs Mayweather....maybe PBF would stand and trade a little
Duran was not a relentless persuer... He was very cautious comming in, and to this point Mayweather has never been hurt so we don't even know if Duran would have the power to stop him at all let alone at 135... When Duran decided to brawl his punches got wild, and Mayweather is a much better counter puncher than Leonard, and much better defensively on the inside. I've watched the Castillo fights a few times, and the only problem Mayweather would have is when Duran tied him up with one arm, and hit him with the other because that was very effective for Castillo.
Duran is an all time great but what beats him is speed. Matters if Floyd can handle Oscar easily and handle that next level, then I think he can outspeed Duran. Duran had trouble with speed. Look what happened with Dejesus, Leonard and Benitez and Hearns
Floyd UD.Its hit and not be hit...
I think we'd hear "No MAS, NO MAS"!!!!!!!!!! Again and again. PBF is the man. Live with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by paddy448
it would be exactly like duran -leonard #1
mayweather would "try" to think like leonard did in that first encounter.
Duran was good but fundamentally a quick fast footed fighters beat him. Duran had his feet wide apart and with guys who fought him and let him get off his shots he would be unbeatable (Iran Barkley, Davey Moore), but when a guy had skills to not let Duran punch and move and counter Duran was made to look ordinary. I remember another smaller guy Benitez making Duran look almost silly with speed. And Hearns jab was landing on Duran snapping Roberto's head back and Tommy had quick hands. Speed was Duran's weakness and Floyd had it, although Floyd is not better than Sugar Ray Leonard and never will be. I think it would be interesting. But speed did get to Duran. Movement and speed even more.. The key to beating Duran. First foot movement and speed and effective punching. Duran beating Ray the first time was just the case of Ray wanting to fight Duran's fight. And this is proven by the fact that Ray easily beat Duran in the rematch and the 3rd fight. If Duran really was better than Ray he would have done it again in the next two fights. All Ray needed was a little experience and he beat Duran easily. And Duran then was 29 years old and 147 was a good weight for him. This past his peak stuff in 1980 is nonsense.
mayweather UD
Well after seeing Floyd with Oscar I would say Floyd beats Duran on UD at lightweight. I can see all the sad clicks coming my way. But that does not matter, fact is Floyd had the style to beat Duran and frustrate him. Sugar Ray Leonard easily beat Ray the final two times he fought him. And I know people say, well Duran beat Ray the first time. Well so what. If a fighter can come back the next fight and win easily and make a guy quit, and then 8 years after that win against every round. That shows he fought the wrong fight in the first fight. Duran being Ray Leonard was more Ray's stupidity than Duran's skills . Fact is Ray learned from that fight and became a complete fighter and a great fighter.
Lol i don't think so mate brawling with Duran would be last thing on his mind he would be thinking safety first and he would win decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by blast from past
yep,, I agree. No one would fight Duran that way since Ray was beaten in the first fight. Duran is a great fighter, but people do not see that the guys who beat him Leonard, Benitez, Hearns, Hagler. all had speed. Although Hagler did not use his speed in that fight, he just thought he would easily beat Duran. Duran had trouble with speed. The same way Hearns had trouble with pressure, but no one rates Tommy at 1-5 p4p so I am not sure why Duran is always rated there. He should have prevailed in his fights with Benitez,Hagler or Hearns a little better.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Even Kirkland Laing outboxed Duran Legendboxing.
if you think pbf ran against from oscar, it would be 10x worse with duran
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Originally Posted by HeavyKnockOut911
Never in a 100000000000000000000000000000000000 years is Floyd going to knockdown Duran.
Not even Hagler could do that and it took a alltime great like Hearns to do that.
But in all fairness, Floyd would win by UD
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkDestroyer
yeah he did. Duran was still good when he fought at those weights, if anything he just overindulged. Duran always gets the excuses when he lost more than most fighters. It is apparent from his loses that he did not do well with boxers and guys who used good skills who had speed. I always thought Pernell Whitaker would have beaten Duran with ease at lightweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING