boxing problem

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02-04-2007, 05:20 AM
babyboNe

boxing problem

who agrees we have way toooooooooo many undefeated in the sports across the world.

i think it just proves how we have too many pamper/protected fighters out there, and how we are lacking the correct fights in the sports. we have too many undefeated that continues to fight nobodies, bums, or has beens.

lets list the many undefeated fighters across the world in all divisions that should be taking eachothers virginity instead of being a bunch pussies.

i'd hate to see the undefeated most win record get broken by todays boxer that consist of a career fighting bums, nobodies, or has beens.

lets list the hype or unknown undefeated to the real deal undefeated.

come on guys the sports needs to see more undefeated vs undefeated not another undefeated fighting a hand picked.
02-04-2007, 06:19 AM
Violent Demise

Re: boxing problem

Lets not.
02-04-2007, 08:31 AM
El Kabong

Re: boxing problem

Quote:

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Lets not.

The words of a TRUE Floyd Mayweather Jr. fan :beat:

I think boxing needs to have more big fights happen and for it to come to fruition we need to rid boxing of the alphabet soup titles AND more importantly the Don King's and Bob Arum's!

What we need is/are....

1 title for each weight class and no promoters but a league and guaranteed money, and pensions for retired fighters just like other pro sports
02-04-2007, 10:57 PM
babyboNe

Re: boxing problem

+966 :coolclick: lyle

i agree that there should be 1 champion per division. the reason why we have so many titles is because of promotion purposes. boxing has turn into a popularity contest.

most exciting fighters get so hype and mistaken for being great fighters. example, gatti.

or the many pamper hand picking undefeated fighters also are con artist of the sports, they are not the great.

greats are those who win or lose fight other greats. and greatest of greats are those who wins more then lose against other greats. example no other then the dubed greatest of all time. "ali" he had loses but he came back like a true champion, trained harder and got back in his prime shape, he was in an era when the heavyweight division was infested with great champions. liston, foreman, frazier...etc...and he beat them.
02-05-2007, 05:08 AM
Violent Demise

Re: boxing problem

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lyle

Quote:

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Lets not.

The words of a TRUE Floyd Mayweather Jr. fan :beat:

I think boxing needs to have more big fights happen and for it to come to fruition we need to rid boxing of the alphabet soup titles AND more importantly the Don King's and Bob Arum's!

What we need is/are....

1 title for each weight class and no promoters but a league and guaranteed money, and pensions for retired fighters just like other pro sports

What the hell does that got to do with fighters with undefeated records? Which is what this thread was about. You just mentioned a bunch of things that (while, I agree with) got nothing to do with what Boxing Fraud asked for.
02-05-2007, 05:32 AM
babyboNe

Re: boxing problem

Quote:

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lyle

Quote:

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Lets not.

The words of a TRUE Floyd Mayweather Jr. fan :beat:

I think boxing needs to have more big fights happen and for it to come to fruition we need to rid boxing of the alphabet soup titles AND more importantly the Don King's and Bob Arum's!

What we need is/are....

1 title for each weight class and no promoters but a league and guaranteed money, and pensions for retired fighters just like other pro sports

What the hell does that got to do with fighters with undefeated records? Which is what this thread was about. You just mentioned a bunch of things that (while, I agree with) got nothing to do with what Boxing Fraud asked for.

your replies are more worthless then anyones so you shouldn't be talking. atleast lyle was trying to help, unlike your worthless nonsense cRap.

you should take less steriods or what ever your taking MEATHEAD!, your way over aggressive, maybe your homo, only way to keep in denial is to act tough. your sad violent DoRk, worthless and sad.
02-05-2007, 05:50 AM
Wacko3205

Re: boxing problem

Quote:

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lyle

Quote:

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Lets not.

The words of a TRUE Floyd Mayweather Jr. fan :beat:

I think boxing needs to have more big fights happen and for it to come to fruition we need to rid boxing of the alphabet soup titles AND more importantly the Don King's and Bob Arum's!

What we need is/are....

1 title for each weight class and no promoters but a league and guaranteed money, and pensions for retired fighters just like other pro sports

What the hell does that got to do with fighters with undefeated records? Which is what this thread was about. You just mentioned a bunch of things that (while, I agree with) got nothing to do with what Boxing Fraud asked for.

Agreed.

Thing is...where does the problem lie in a fighter being undefeated?

One problem I have is this...if a fighter is undefeated...no matter whom he beats...he'll never beat a worthy adversary. Critics will always say that a fighter was too old...too green...too this...too that.

It's a no win situation...unless ofcourse you are the critic.

Also...because a fighter is held in such high regard by his fans...this does not make him overly hyped nor does it make him a greater fighter than the next...it means quite simply that he is both of which were just stated...but to his fans..& again...there is nothing wrong with that.

Is there? Not in my book...unless ofcourse you are the critic...of which I have been overly critical of undefeated & or over hyped fighters.

The point is...the main problem I see other than the ABC's & 123's lies within us...the fans.

We take our heroe's & champions for granted.

We (as fans) applaude one fighter for defeating a shop worn veteran & lift him up to Lordly status...then we (as opposing fans) pick apart anothers record & critique him for doing the very same...it's a ridiculous pattern that repeats itself...daily...amongst us all.
02-05-2007, 06:17 AM
rvk1331

Re: boxing problem

Faruq Saleem

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=15680
02-05-2007, 06:26 AM
amat

Re: boxing problem

Big fights in America, every outside of Eastern Europe basically, are happening. Look at the fights between undefeated fighters that are happening or did happen within the last year.

Dawson - Adamek
Green - Margarito
Cotto - Quintana
Julio - Quintana
Ibragimov - Brock
Kessler - Andrade
Povetkin - Chapman
Diaz - Cotto
Hatton - Urango
Williams - Matthyse
Calzaghe - Lacy

And I'm sure there a lot more. That was off the top of my head. That's 10, 10 undefeated records gone. People come up. You can't hold an undefeated record against a fighter. I mean outside of the Thomas Damgaards and Valuevs of the world, most of these guys with 20+ fights without a loss are fighting quality opposition. Europeans tend to wait a bit before they step up, at least in terms of nuumber of fights.

Big fights not happening used to be a big problem. Now it's not. Undefeated records should be the least of any of our worries.
02-05-2007, 06:28 AM
amat

Re: boxing problem

Quote:

Originally Posted by rvk1331

Faruq Saleem

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=15680

Never heard of him so he can't be much of a problem.
02-05-2007, 06:33 AM
Wacko3205

Re: boxing problem

Quote:

Originally Posted by amat

Big fights not happening used to be a big problem. Now it's not. Undefeated records should be the least of any of our worries.

Agreed. :coolclick:

But you'll see that with quite a few people...that shoe don't fit when it's on the other foot.
02-05-2007, 06:38 AM
landmine950

Re: boxing problem

The problem is no one want's (or should) fight a guy who is way better or way worse than him
2 guys can both be undefeated but with very different record.
Like 21-0 vs 7-0 or 46-0
and those guys might be at very different levels in thier development as fighters.
Valuev is 46-0 but only really started being any good maybe in the last 20 fights.
A guy with a strong amatuer record might be quite good at 10-0.
02-05-2007, 06:42 AM
Violent Demise

Re: boxing problem

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoxingGod

Quote:

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lyle

Quote:

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Lets not.

The words of a TRUE Floyd Mayweather Jr. fan :beat:

I think boxing needs to have more big fights happen and for it to come to fruition we need to rid boxing of the alphabet soup titles AND more importantly the Don King's and Bob Arum's!

What we need is/are....

1 title for each weight class and no promoters but a league and guaranteed money, and pensions for retired fighters just like other pro sports

What the hell does that got to do with fighters with undefeated records? Which is what this thread was about. You just mentioned a bunch of things that (while, I agree with) got nothing to do with what Boxing Fraud asked for.

your replies are more worthless then anyones so you shouldn't be talking. atleast lyle was trying to help, unlike your worthless nonsense cRap.

you should take less steriods or what ever your taking MEATHEAD!, your way over aggressive, maybe your homo, only way to keep in denial is to act tough. your sad violent DoRk, worthless and sad.

I was talking to Lyle not your dumbass. Your like a little girl. Always getting your fucking feelings hurt. Maybe you should change your name to Boxing Bitch as much as you cry and whine. Your on a boxing forum. Toughen the fuck up.
02-05-2007, 06:44 AM
El Kabong

Re: boxing problem

.....excuse her fellas

it's a heavy flow day
02-05-2007, 06:48 AM
Violent Demise

Re: boxing problem

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lyle

.....excuse her fellas

it's a heavy flow day

I taught they stopped the bleeding on Vitali's eye?
02-05-2007, 06:55 AM
babyboNe

Re: boxing problem

Quote:

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoxingGod

Quote:

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lyle

Quote:

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Lets not.

The words of a TRUE Floyd Mayweather Jr. fan :beat:

I think boxing needs to have more big fights happen and for it to come to fruition we need to rid boxing of the alphabet soup titles AND more importantly the Don King's and Bob Arum's!

What we need is/are....

1 title for each weight class and no promoters but a league and guaranteed money, and pensions for retired fighters just like other pro sports

What the hell does that got to do with fighters with undefeated records? Which is what this thread was about. You just mentioned a bunch of things that (while, I agree with) got nothing to do with what Boxing Fraud asked for.

your replies are more worthless then anyones so you shouldn't be talking. atleast lyle was trying to help, unlike your worthless nonsense cRap.

you should take less steriods or what ever your taking MEATHEAD!, your way over aggressive, maybe your homo, only way to keep in denial is to act tough. your sad violent DoRk, worthless and sad.

I was talking to Lyle not your dumbass. Your like a little girl. Always getting your F****** feelings hurt. Maybe you should change your name to Boxing Bitch as much as you cry and whine. Your on a boxing forum. Toughen the F*** up.

:gay-as-steelie: its ok violent doRK, you can come out the closet you don't have to deny it, its so obvious.

:fyou:
02-05-2007, 06:55 AM
Wacko3205

Re: boxing problem

Alright the lot of you...let's discuss this without all this arguing.

Seriously...this'd be a good discussion without all this mess. Drop it & please keep your bitching to the PM's.

Okay? There are some good thoughts here...lose the battering of each other.
02-05-2007, 06:59 AM
babyboNe

Re: boxing problem

Quote:

Originally Posted by wacko3205

Alright the lot of you...let's discuss this without all this arguing.

Seriously...this'd be a good discussion without all this mess. Drop it & please keep your bitching to the PM's.

Okay? There are some good thoughts here...lose the battering of each other.

tell that to your homeboy, his the one that brings negativity, i ignore his first post on this topic when he said "lets not" which is second posted on this topic. couldn't let his next comment slide though.
02-05-2007, 07:01 AM
Wacko3205

Re: boxing problem

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoxingGod

Quote:

Originally Posted by wacko3205

Alright the lot of you...let's discuss this without all this arguing.

Seriously...this'd be a good discussion without all this mess. Drop it & please keep your bitching to the PM's.

Okay? There are some good thoughts here...lose the battering of each other.

tell that to your homeboy, his the one that brings negativity, i ignore his first post on this topic when he said "lets not" which is second posted on this topic. couldn't let his next comment slide though.

I'm not TELLING anyone anything.

I'm asking. Could you not see that in the post you just quoted?

I'm asking ALL of you to take your arguements to PM's & not right here in all of our faces...the point of the thread is getting lost.
02-05-2007, 07:03 AM
babyboNe

Re: boxing problem

Quote:

Originally Posted by wacko3205

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoxingGod

Quote:

Originally Posted by wacko3205

Alright the lot of you...let's discuss this without all this arguing.

Seriously...this'd be a good discussion without all this mess. Drop it & please keep your bitching to the PM's.

Okay? There are some good thoughts here...lose the battering of each other.

tell that to your homeboy, his the one that brings negativity, i ignore his first post on this topic when he said "lets not" which is second posted on this topic. couldn't let his next comment slide though.

I'm not TELLING anyone anything.

I'm asking. Could you not see that in the post you just quoted?

I'm asking ALL of you to take your arguements to PM's & not right here in all of our faces...the point of the thread is getting lost.

NO pRoblem,

back to the subject......
02-05-2007, 07:05 AM
landmine950

Re: boxing problem

Quote:

Originally Posted by rvk1331

Faruq Saleem

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=15680

I like how box rec shows the fighters last 6 fights red for losses and green for wins, makes it easy to see that this guy is a farse!

Do it for Valuev....its not bad...
What undefeated fighter do you think Valuev should fight?

Chris Arreola? 18-0
Roman Greenburg? 24-0
Alexander Povetkin? 10-0
Eddie Chambers? 27-0
Derrick Rossy 15-0 (set to fight Chambers next)
Alexander Dimitrenko? 24-0
Vladmir Virchis? 22-1 (lost to Chagaev who was 19-0)
Tony Thompson? 28-1 (one ud loss in a 4 rounder long ago)
Luan Krasniqi? 29-2 (ko's by Brewster)
Ruslan Chagaev? 22-0-1 (this fight MIGHT happen)
Sultan Ibragimov 19-0-1 (draw against Austin)

Remember these guys guard their undefeated records like gold.
It gives them legitamacy and leverage for a big $$ Title shot.
NO WAY are they going to chance losing that against each other.
02-05-2007, 07:07 AM
Violent Demise

Re: boxing problem

Quote:

Originally Posted by landmine950

Quote:

Originally Posted by rvk1331

Faruq Saleem

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=15680

I like how box rec shows the fighters last 6 fights red for losses and green for wins, makes it easy to see that this guy is a farse!

Do it for Valuev....its not bad...
What undefeated fighter do you think Valuev should fight?

Chris Arreola? 18-0
Roman Greenburg? 24-0
Alexander Povetkin? 10-0
Eddie Chambers? 27-0
Derrick Rossy 15-0 (set to fight Chambers next)
Alexander Dimitrenko? 24-0
Vladmir Virchis? 22-1 (lost to Chagaev who was 19-0)
Tony Thompson? 28-1 (one ud loss in a 4 rounder long ago)
Luan Krasniqi? 29-2 (ko's by Brewster)
Ruslan Chagaev? 22-0-1 (this fight MIGHT happen)
Sultan Ibragimov 19-0-1 (draw against Austin)

Remember these guys guard their undefeated records like gold.
It gives them legitamacy and leverage for a big $$ Title shot.
NO WAY are they going to chance losing that against each other.

Ruslan Chagaev. The guy is his mandatory if I remember correctly
02-05-2007, 07:09 AM
amat

Re: boxing problem

Chagaev wouldn't be bad for Valuev actually. I would be impressed if that fight happened. If Chagaev isn't in the top 10, he's really really close.
02-05-2007, 07:14 AM
Wacko3205

Re: boxing problem

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoxingGod

Quote:

Originally Posted by wacko3205

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoxingGod

Quote:

Originally Posted by wacko3205

Alright the lot of you...let's discuss this without all this arguing.

Seriously...this'd be a good discussion without all this mess. Drop it & please keep your bitching to the PM's.

Okay? There are some good thoughts here...lose the battering of each other.

tell that to your homeboy, his the one that brings negativity, i ignore his first post on this topic when he said "lets not" which is second posted on this topic. couldn't let his next comment slide though.

I'm not TELLING anyone anything.

I'm asking. Could you not see that in the post you just quoted?

I'm asking ALL of you to take your arguments to PM's & not right here in all of our faces...the point of the thread is getting lost.

NO pRoblem,

back to the subject......

Thanks a bunch.

:coolclick: & :coolclick: s to all involved in diffusing the mess.
02-05-2007, 07:17 AM
babyboNe

Re: boxing problem

Quote:

Originally Posted by landmine950

The problem is no one want's (or should) fight a guy who is way better or way worse than him
2 guys can both be undefeated but with very different record.
Like 21-0 vs 7-0 or 46-0
and those guys might be at very different levels in thier development as fighters.
Valuev is 46-0 but only really started being any good maybe in the last 20 fights.
A guy with a strong amatuer record might be quite good at 10-0.

+114 :coolclick: good point, yea the amatuer experience does play a huge part of someones record and developement.

there are the real deal undefeated; cotto, and pbf

there are the hype(atleast just for now) like valero

and there are countless of undefeated fakes. those are who we should sort out.

but then again we have real deal undefeated with real talent, but doesn't fight great oppenents. i think thats the worst of all, which is boring the sports or starving it, never giving the sport the fight it want. or it could just be the character of the undefeated fighter, that makes fans into critics, some may say haters.