IMO Oscar was at his best at 140, but Aaron Pryor was a killer at superlightweight. Which way would this fight have gone?
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IMO Oscar was at his best at 140, but Aaron Pryor was a killer at superlightweight. Which way would this fight have gone?
Oscar fought 3 times at 140....I'd say he was at his best at 147-154
And I pick Oscar over Pryor as ODH has only been KO'd once AND Pryor had a hard time keeping his chin tucked in and Oscar is too good to not connect on such an exposed target
I like Pryor by close, but unanimous decision. At 140, Aaron Pryor was as relentless as they come, and I actually even think Oscar at 140 had faster hands, but de la hoya's never been in with someone under welterweight as seasoned as Pryor.
Arguello was better then Oscar in my opinion.
154? Man, aside from middleweight 154 is Oscar's worst weight. No way in hell his ability at superwelter can compare to the machine he was at superfeather, lightweight, and superlightweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I say Oscar wins this... he is bigger than Aaron IMO naturally... he is too strong, and has too good of a jab for Aaron, and also IMO he has a better chin with more power.
Tough 1 to call Alexis hit Pryor clean many times with the long right hand and Oscar has a good right , Pryor was great with his pressure tactics so hmmmmm
if i had to pick i wud say Pryor by tight points win.
He was a better all around boxer at the heavier weights......all he had at the low weights was a left hook. He was like Rocky Juarez til he got a good trainer and worked on his right crossQuote:
Originally Posted by skyler
Yep id go along with that mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
i say pryor wins and taeth you cant really say oscar has better chin yes pryor was knocked down in first round few times but that was mainly he was off balance pryor could box and brawl and had best stamina ive ever seen man did he ever keep going lol i say pryor to relentless and wins decision
Pryor kept his chin up too much....he only fought EFFECTIVELY at 1 weight
I see Pryor as Shane Mosley but with more flaws that Oscar could take advantage of....that being said ODH couldn't take advantage of what Shane offered him so I guess it's a toss up.
Pryor never took shots from a hard hitting middleweight or guys like Trinidad... Almost everyone said that Dela Hoya hit like a heavyweight, and that IMO would be enough to maybe not KO Pryor(though I think he could), but it would definitely slow down his pace... I also think that ODLH's jab would really cause him troubles... or any pressure fighter for that matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
If Miguel Angel Gonzales can go the distance with Oscar at 140, you better believe Pryor can as well.
CC for mentioning Pryor in a title thread on this forum. He isn't mentioned enough. I think Pryor gets knocked down in round 1. Then comes back to win a UD. If Ike Quartey who was always very open to being hit by a left hook by Oscar could survive all 12 rounds I don't see anyway in Oscar KO ing Pryor who I feel had a much better chin than Quartey. Like IceCold said before it was more of a balance issue with Pryor when it came to his knockdowns.
yes...I refuse to say who I think would win.....I would love to have seen this fight !!!!! can't decide.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Besides ODLH who even actually knocked down Quartey? Winky did get him too touch the canvas, but Quartey wasn't hurt at all. Also how is Quartey open for left hooks? Winky who isn't open for any punches learned his style from Quartey, and Quartey always keeps his hands up. Like I said even if ODLH doesn't KO Pryor his power will still be a deciding factor.Quote:
Originally Posted by spekterscript
Let me start off by saying that Quartey is my favorite active boxer at the moment. He was and is a tough son of a gun and being knocked down by De La Hoya was a statement about the power of Oscar. De La Hoya hit him perfectly flush and he went down. My point is that Oscar De La Hoya had the hardest left hook of his time in that weight class and probably still does for the 154 lb weight class. Quartey was shown to be vulnerable against the left hook in his fight against Lopez. I was in no way detracting from Quartey's toughness or chin. Now I will respond to your questions one by one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
"Besides ODLH who even knocked down Quartey?" Jose Luis Lopez did. In that fight Lopez exploited Quartey's vulnerability to the left hook by using it to set up the trademark right of Lopez.
"Also how is Quartey open for left hooks?" His lack of head movement, lateral movement, and upright posture for 1. The way he pulled straight back instead of at an angle. Also watch his match against Jose Luis Lopez and you will see how time and time again a left hook set him up for the right hand. Watch his match and against Oba Carr and you will see how he was once again being hit by left hooks more than any other punch.
"Winky who isn't open for any punches learned his style from Quartey." True. Winky learned his style from Quartey. However, Winky has better movement overall than Quartey and parries punches better. Winky has a more active defense-sliding elbows up and then down, gloves up and then down to block shots. To compare the defenses of the 2 in understandable but to say that Quartey was as unhittable as Winky is plainly not true.
Yes Quartey always keeps his hands up and had a good and solid clam shell defense in his day.
Quartey's best defense against Oscar in that fight was his offense, strong jab and right hand. Pryor had a great offense and power in both hands.
Your original argument about Pryor not taking punches from anyone like a Tito or Oscar can go both ways because who is to say that he couldn't take stronger shots?
I do agree about Oscar's jab being the most deciding advantage to Oscar in this dream contest against Pryor.
Pryor had incredible stamina, chin, heart and good power in both hands. Pryor imo had the chin and offense to decrease Oscar's output that is why I would pick him.
I wouldn't rank Oscar's left hook to the head as the best at 147 at that time, that honor would have to go to Tito. However, Oscar's left to the head was better than everyone else besides Tito, and his left hook to the body was the best in the division.
Quartey was a somewhat robotic fighter. He stood straight up, didn't bob and weave, and threw that great jab followed by right hands.
In the DLH fight, he was very effective with the right hand, buckling DLH several times.. The problem is, he wasn't good at bringing the right back quickly, so when he threw a right hand, it would hang out there and he was vulnerable to counter hooks.
Upright, mechanical fighters have to bring their hands back quickly, or they'll always be vulnerable to counters upstairs.
I never saw the Jose Luis Lopez fight granted, but also Winky was knocked down by Vazquez, and Winky has faced harder punchers who couldn't hurt him... WHen I saw Oscar against Quartey he didn't get in very many left hooks, and though Quartey was open for the right hook, and the straights hands Winky I didn't see hit him that much which his left hook either, and thats his power hand which I find easier personally to land inside.Quote:
Originally Posted by spekterscript
O RLY ? how you figure?Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty