Who's skills would prove too much for the other?
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Who's skills would prove too much for the other?
The Toney that fought Barkley and Thornton was terrific, he showed against Barkley his ability to play the matador and structure effortless beauty on the inside and against Thornton his ability to keep an opponent at a distance by keeping a jab in his face and out-classing him with footwork and finesse from the outside.
But Calzaghe can beat him IF he uses the right tactics - moving in and out of range and speed of foot and not getting carried away by bending at the knees in front of him and winging.
Toney at Supermiddleweight would murder Calzaghe
We all know calzaghe has skill... But when did he ever put it head to head with another fighter with just as much skill ...
Calzaghe was a great amatuer fighter..Won at least a couple of aba's..
Toney shone brighter in the professional ranks..
Calzaghe is more of a strait boxer..While toney is an awkward, slick, cunter puncher and ( at 168) Could bang too..
So we know that james was a killer at middle and super mid..He put his skills up and showed us what he could do against some of the baddest fighters possible..
But we never saw calzaghe take on that type of opponent to make the assumption..
But going on whats fair..Bieng that i'll say..Joe will be just over half as effective against a fighter like toney considering he looks great against nobodies but you give him the benefit of the doubt because we know he owns the skill...
I would say it came down to james late tko /ko..
Dont think joe ever had trouble hitting an opponent the way he would with a prime and in shape toney..and i dont believe that calzaghe could hurt toney.. Toney just has a typewriter head..Big ol thing.. Never know..Toney might have even finished off joe c before the fight begun..
If toneyb talked the same trash to joe that he did to both eubank and benn on a jonathon ross interview a fair while back..I dont think joe would have kept it half as well.. Probably resulting in a bika like performance against someone ten times the fighter that bika is...lol
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james toney will pick him apart.
Calzaghe is way to fast for toney, and would pick him apart if he fought right. toney is a good fight and fought alot of good fighter, but calzagh's speed would be way to much for him and would pick him apart over 12 rounds for a ud.
Im a huge fan of both fighters, I will sit on the fence here and say it could go either way depending upon who has the correct gameplan on the night...
I make you correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Actually Tony was faster than Calzaghe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Preme
AgreedQuote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Well this has to be hypothetical as Toney won't weigh 168 lbs again until around 2 weeks after his death but if they ever did fight at 168 I'd say a UD for Calzaghe.
Toney is a tough son of a bitch and a skilful fighter but he was weight trained at 168 lb even in his prime.
He knocked out Michael Nunn in a terrific come from behind victory but he never really did much else at the lighter weights.
Tough fight but Calzaghe would outwork imo.
Joe C. in the ring has shown skill, he has been champ. but James Toney showed far superior skills not only then Joe C. but then a lot of many fighters over the past years.... He didn't stay for long at SMW thats because IMO he was always in the shadows of RJJ (so was B-Hop) so all three were always trying to be one step ahead of the other......
So IMO James Toney takes this one via TKO, I know Joes never been stopped but I just think that James skills bakc in those days are superior then Joe skills today....
It's not fair to compare anyone to Roy Jones Jr. at 168 nobody has come close to mirroring his speed, power, angles at the weight. Roy didn't throw as big of combinations as Calzaghe on average, but they were harder, faster, and more accurate. Also more adaptable.
Toney would beat Calzaghe.
but where roy jones picked his punches to Ko fighters, calzaghe smotherd them with nig combos forcing them to go down or the stoppage, both were very effective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Roy didn't really pick his spots as much against Toney... he fought alot.. and I see Toney countering Calzaghe quite easily... When he fought Nunn he was able to counter the whole fight, and hit Nunn with cleaner shots than he was being hit with, and gradually broke Nunn down, but also Nunn was a faster and better boxer than Calzaghe as well.
:coolclick: for knowing guys like Nunn, great point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
James Toney has one chin that weighs more than 168!
Highly doubtful. A supermiddleweight JT was much faster than you give him credit for I think. I can see Calzaghe winning the first two or three rounds. After that it would be Toney doing the picking. To win JC would have to fight a perfect fight, boxing, moving in and out and not making one mistake because Toney had awesome one punch power at super middle. JT could hurt Calzaghe whereas Calzaghe could not hurt him is what Im saying. All Toney would have to do to come out victorious is just be James Toney. He was just as good a boxer at 168 as Calzaghe and he hit a lot harder and had a better chin to boot. Calzaghe puts up a valiant effort for two rounds and then is timed as Toney gets settled into his rhythm and begins to land big shots and keeps coming forward. By the later rounds, Calzaghe would not be able to keep him off, get away or outland the stronger JT and would end up getting KOed, most likely in spectacular old school James Toney fashion ie, Michael "Second To" Nunn. In the end, he's just not strong enough to deal with Toney, who was a brute at that weight class.Quote:
Originally Posted by Preme
I don't mind Toney, but your right. He would have to seriously diet for about 1 year to lose the weight and still have energy.Quote:
Originally Posted by landmine950
that is the perfect statement....Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
i havent really seen toney at supermiddleweight but looking at his record at his fights at supermiddleweight he beat charles williams and i heard fight was dead even and toney koed him in last round and he beat shot iran barkley and he got almost shut out by roy jones so even though james toney is great fighter i think jc has shot on his best night
Did he fuck, he was behind on the scorecards by 4 rounds, 6 rounds and 7 rounds respectively. He caught Nunn with a great left hook. If he was breaking him down he certainly disquised it well. I think Toney vs Calzaghe is a close fight. I've been watching quite a bit of james toney over the last 3-4 days and from what i can gather, his best wins seemed to be against fighters who were a bit past their prime. He was lucky to get the win against MCCallum. Iran Barkely had already been stopped inside 1 against nigel benn. Even when he beat Williams, williams went on to get a technical draw (altho he was well behind) and lose to Merqui sosa in his next 2 (they do say hindsight is 20-20). It just seems to me that he never really did anything spectacular and his record is pretty easy to pick apart. So i'm sitting with ICE COLD on this one, so whilst i give Toney is dues for being a great fighter, i think Calzaghe has a very good chance of beating him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
I think tony has been good for boxing, fight anyone, has a big mouth, so love him or hate him you will tend to tune in 'coz he is interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Granted i havn't seen a great deal of him, but he seems to have struggled with 'big names'
Calzaghe i have followed since i can remeber, and i don't think we have ever really seen the best calzaghe over a few rounds. Lacy was a superb fight and he was brilliant, but IMO that fight 5 years ago, calzaghe would have been even better. someeone like toney in his prime would of driven calzaghe to fight his best, most fights he had in his prime he either finished them in the first few rounds (viet, mitchel) fights that were enough to get him motevated he finished so fast that it is hard to see just how good he was then, the other fights you could see a frustrated calzaghe who didn't perform they way he could.
tony may of be a big hitter, but calzaghe has one hell of a chin, he has walked through some real big hits, been in there with some big hitters and never really looked troubled - hell lacy didn't seem to be able to phase him.
i think joe would take this with a UD
HAHA GREAT OPINION PREME !!!!
U MEAN UR FROM WALES AND LIKE CALZAGHE ?LOL
Watch the fight...Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
Toney ko's Calzaghe
Probably Toney by KO. I have never seen either live so I only have footage from the internet to go on.
Calzaghe has never been in with some who had the power, speed, and skill of James Toney at 168. He might have fought guys who matched Toney in ONE of those areas, but he probably hasn't fought someone who could match Toney in TWO of these areas, never mind three. Lacy couldn't phase him because he couldn't hit him...I take that back, I think he caught Joe with one hook. You can't compare Toney to Lacy, Veit or Mitchell. Those guys are club fighters compared to James Toney.Quote:
Originally Posted by Preme
Toney eats Joe for lunch, then moves up to 175...
toney wins, to much skill and toney had a good punch at middle............how ever joe would never take the fight. he'd say toney isn't ready to fight at his level then he fight a tv contestent instead
Thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Read Taeths comment. Why do people even post when they admiteddly know nothing about the fighter... ::**Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Calzaghe's punches are just too wide, he just wades in with those wide hooks, it would be hard for Toney to miss him with counters. I mean its not out of the question that Joe would win, obviously Toney's not Mr. Consistency and Calzaghe could win a decision on pure workrate even if he wasn't catching Toney a lot cleanly.
And Taeth and P4PKing are right, Toney didn't just throw one lucky left hook in the 11th against Nunn, he had won 3-4 rounds in a row IMO and was catching Nunn with a lot of right hand counters.
what by saying calzaghe has chance on his best night ?? which he most certainly does toney has been outboxed before im not saying cazlaghe would do this but he has a shot at winningQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Calzaghe on a great night against Toney one a bad night...Calzaghe has a good chance. Yes, Toney has had some bad nights, for sure. Toney at his best vs. Calzaghe at his best. Not even close. Toney wins. Average Toney vs the best of Calzaghe, I'll still take Toney. If they fight 10 times, Toney wins 8 or 9.