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So wTF did he fight uRANGO FOR? ??? ???
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So wTF did he fight uRANGO FOR? ??? ???
He's starting to come across a bit slimy imo. He wants the title obviously as it gives him more bartering power for getting more money in his next fights but he doesn't value or have any intention of defending them.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
Basically he's just using and exploiting the governing bodies. Thats the second time he's fucked the IBF over, hopefully they won't allow him to fight for another version of their title.
i dont know el gamo but i do know im very happy to see this news so bring on jlc in june 8)Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
oh yea and wheres my manners cc gamo 8)
Just to get another title under his belt (which obviously didn't/doesn't mean shit! to him) the Urango fight was basically just a builder upper for the Hatton-JLC showdown.....Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
Im in agreement with Bilbo here, If the title means nothing to you then why bother fighting for it and then not even defending it?
I was never into fighting Urango anyway as were a lot of others and now here we are saying "what was the bloody point?". All that time out and then to win a title and then dump it?
Why not have just fought Castillo or another name? :-\
first everybody was upset that hatton might fight ndoe,now some people are complaining he is giving up his title and fighting castillo? go figure.i think hatton won enough titles now.now i think he needs to fight whoever he wants and not worry about titles at all.
So why bother fighting Urango?Quote:
Originally Posted by MV
Why wasnt it made clear that a mandatory would be called for prior to the Urango fight being signed?
Either way, the Urango fight seems to have been a bit pointless, and dont get me wrong...I am actually a Hatton fan! :)
The root of the problem is just all the governing bodies, if a belt actually meant being the best and getting to fight the best challengers then boxers would actually want to fight for and defend them
But the point is that it is Hattons fault if a mandatory is known of prior to fighting Urango...the authorities are the issue if its decided after the Urango fight has been sealed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poom
Either way a Castillo fight could have been on the cards without this Urango fight...
I'm only guessing that he didn't know he only had 90 days to defend it. He might have presumed he had a year like i did. That way to Castillo clash would have been for the belt????Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Of course he knew, we all knew before he fought Urango that the winner had a mandatory to fight the winner of Rabah N'Dou.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
People complain about the belts being worthless and that very well may be the case, but if fighters actually respected them a bit more then maybe they would be worth more.
Most of us can see regarding Sam Peter that it's unfair for them to oust him from his mandatory status in order to give Vitali first dibs.
Well it's the same at unfair for N Dou for Hatton to deny him his chance.
Why fight Urango just to throw the title away immediately after leaving the IBF without a champion for the second time in 2 years ???
You might have known, but many a fan didnt know this, Bilbo! ::**Quote:
Originally Posted by bilbo
Thats why it was all Urango and then Hatton: Castillo....
ok hang on, can we all please get a grip and remember Ricky Hatton is the UNDISPUTED and LINEAR champion. He beat Kostya Tyszyu, thus making him the champ until beaten. The IBF title is 2nd to this, and Ricky Hatton should be real best contender, ie Castillo, rather than the bullshit IBF one, N'Dou.
No disrespect to N'Dou but thats not who Ricky needs to fight right now, if N'Dou wants to grab Ricky's atttention go and knock out Junior Witter. WBC - IBF "Unification" bout to the sanctioning bodies, but back on planet earth its just an eliminator to see who can fight Ricky!
Ricky is doing the right thing, and its a brave move to dump a belt but it make sense.
I completely agree with you regarding Ricky wanting to fight the best, my beef with him is that he also wants to grab the titles, but doesn't want to defend them, thus disrespecting the body who gave him the right to fight for their belt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sovereign
If he wants to go after the best, forget about chasing paper titles and fight the best.
This is the approach adpoted by Manny Pacquiao, widely regarded as the man to beat in the super featherweight division even though he's never held a title belt at the weight.
It' the same in the light heavyweight division, Tarver, Jones Jr and Glen Johnson have been regarded as the best in the division despite not holding belts recently.
Hatton needs to decide what he wants to be, a true p4p star fighting the best regardless of belts, or does he want to be a paper champion chasing easy world title fights rather than fight the best?
He's now left the IBF in a mess two years in a row.
The Ibf are a bunch of corrupt crooks(been proven in court) who bleed boxing dry,so who gives a fuck if they are in a mess.Quote:
Originally Posted by bilbo
The fact they even sanctioned Rabah-N'Dou as an elimination is a joke,its just another way of getting boxers to give up there hard erned cash.
You cant tell me that they are the first and second best countenders in the light welter weight division.
Who ever advised Hatton to wast a fight going after the worthless ibf belt needs a good kick up the arse.As already stated in this thread he is the linnear and The Ring champion so why go after that paper title in the first place?
get another belt and an easy win against Urango in which he was supposed to look spectacular.  Both Castillo and Hatton were supposed to look spectacular. Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
They both didn't though, but Castillo stayed true to his nature and it was an exciting fight!!
Glad someone is ;D Its these alphabet titles that are ruining boxing. How can they possibly not sanction him fighting Castillo, but say that N'Dou is the more justified contender. Justified in terms of paying their fee's and not the best fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by bilbo
My only problem with this is a week ago hatton said he wanted to keep the title and defend it, so Rabah-N'Dou became an eliminator match rather then the title fight it would be had hatton and his camp not fucked the IBF around (there are more people to blame than hatton, im sure his team were telling him to say he will defend it so they would have more time to try and keep the title and fight castillo...)
Lets not get to silly now about why hatton fought urango for the 'worthless' IBF belt and not castillo right away...
In this corner u got a brit whos only visit to the states was fight he just won by the skin of his teeth agasint a fairly unknown and lowly thought of 'paper champion' - in the other corner we have a guy who has been failing to make weight, inactive in nearly a year. HBO knew if they could hand pick their apponenets for them to look good agasint it would lead to a super fight in a proper venue in vegas, not that dump they fought in last. I don't think the IBf belt was that big of a factor in it, but a title on the line always makes for a slightly more interesting night and Urango was a name that people 'knew'
I completley agree. Look at what the Ring has everyone ranked. In all fairness the IBF knew that the last fight(s) were a lead up to the June showdown. Ricky could spend all his day (esp. with 4 belts out there) fighting unworthy opponents that wouldnt be that great of bouts or he can do what he knows is the right thing for boxing.............GREAT BOUTS!Quote:
Originally Posted by sanj16
I'd rather see Hatton fight someone he can dominate with punches. If he spends four or five rounds bullshittin' he can retire for all I care.
Hopefully for his countrymen he will lambaste Castillo and give them something to be proud of. If not then they should hang their heads in shame or focus on Calzaghe.
I'm a Brit and not really a Hatton fan. Ugly brawling style, trying to cash in on his Tyszu victory by handpicking paper chumps to keep him rated in the top 10 p4p and get him a big payday.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
It makes sense for him now to keep postponing the big fights as he will get found out when he fights anybody decent.
I've never understood this potential 'mouthwatering' clash with Castillo either, to me Castillo isn't an elite fighter either. He's another whose reputation has been enhanced beyond his stature.
A 'great' fighter doesn't go life and death with Diego Coralles and struggle against Stevie Johnstone.
Castillo is very good don't get me wrong, but he's not elite level, he's moving up in weight, and he's old. He's also only looked impressive in 1 of his last 4 outings and that against a Corrales who we know would get completely schooled by the likes of Mayweather (already happened), Mosely, Cotto, Judah etc.
Thats why Team Hatton are so desperate to land the Castillo fight, a big name fighter, but the easiest out of all the top fighters out there to beat.
I really don't rate Hatton that highly at all, honestly I think Paulie Malignaggi would beat him and he'd struggle against Witter as well.
Move up to 147 and he's getting sparked out by any of the top 5 or 6 guys.
Can you elaborate on this a little bit? What do the fighters need to do to show more "respect" to the belts?Quote:
Originally Posted by bilbo
Whenever you read any of bilbo's posts you have to take into account he's a 100% genuine MENTAL.
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Originally Posted by bilbo
ahahahaa ;D
Even by your illustrious standards of nonsense this is good.
lol glad you get the same amusement from my posts as I got from your photo :coolclick:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Well defending them would be a good place to start.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
If the top fighters defended their belts and held onto them, then there would be no 'paper' champs and the belts would mean more than they do now.
I'm not against people ignoring the belts to go after the big fights, but Hatton just takes the piss. He's won 4 world title belts now and made a grand total of 0 defenses.
To use an analagy, imagine working for a top company and your boss retires and recommends you personally to take over from him. Then at the last minute someone from completely outside the company lands the job, accepts it but then decides not to turn up on the day he's supposed to start, thus leaving the company to scramble over who is going to replace him.
Now imagine that same guy applying for 4 top company jobs, each time ousting the guy who has been personally recommended for the job, and each time deciding not to take the job after all.
The company and the guy who was recommended would get pretty pissed off after a while.
This philosophy would be great if there were one belt in each weight class. But there isn't. There's 4. Beltholders don't get ranked by the other commissions. So theoretically, if the 4 belt holders always "respected" their belts and fought the #1 ranked contenders, then the beltholders would never face it each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by bilbo
Why should fighters honor their belts and fight the #1 ranked contenders, when those #1 contenders are rarely the best out there? Would Ricky hatton prove that he's a real champ by beating N'Dou? Does that prove more than beating Castillo?
Why should a fighter respect a belt, when the commission that owns the belt shows no respect to it at all?
Yeah I hear what your saying, and the governing bodies are equally to blame but the point is that you CAN hold a belt and fight other champions as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
Not every fight has to be a mandatory, I think they only have to fight one mandatory a year so it's really no big deal.
He fought for the title against Urango, when Urango was supposed to fight the winner of N'Dou Rabbah. Urango got the Hatton fight on an exemption as the mandatory date was already overdue, so Ricky knew that should he win he had an immediate mandatory obligation.
He signed that fight against Urango KNOWING that.
Now he decides not to play fair with the IBF and drop the belt.
Thats just not fair to the IBF or to the N'Dou who is the mandatory for the title shot.
If Hatton signed the Urango fight knowing he would have to honour his mandatory,thats just ridiculous! Why not fight someone else? Why fight for the title? It is in situations like these that title loses its significance. I mean,oersinally speaking,I don't need a title to tell me JLC and Hatton are the 2 best fighters at 140!
I'm actually not all that sold on Castillo at 140 lb. Struggling against a complete nobody last month doesn't inspire confidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
You reckon he would beat Mallignaggi, Junior Witter or even Viv Harris? I'm not so sure......
Thats the thing though,JLC has always looked bad against tune ups,even in his last fihgt v Reyes,he looked poor. He really turns up against the bigger names: Lazcano,Johnston twice,Corrales,Mayweather,Diaz,Casamayor,those are some AWESOME names! I feel Hatton would be too much for him but I feel JLC would whoop Paulie(who's nowhere near as slick as Floyd or Joel) and grind down Witter and Harris.
Well first off he lost to Coralles the first time, and Coralles really isn't an elite fighter anyhow, Diaz is about as good as Urango, I mean seriously who has he beat?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
He didn't really beat Casamayor, he lost easily to Mayweather the second time around, the first one you could argue for him winning but Floyd was injured, and beat him easily in the rematch anyway.
Lazcano again is not a top level fighter, the guy has never even held a world title ::**
I agree that Castillo is a very good fighter, but he's not the top 10 p4p great that most people seem to think he is. If Hatton beats him that doesn't prove a great deal to me to be honest. The real live opponents out there are Cotto, Mayweather, Margarito, Mosely, De La Hoya etc and we all know that Hatton wants nothing to do with them, probably even less after yesterday.
I don't know why people expect fighters to respect the belts when there are so many of them.
Hatton can tell his mates down the pub that he is WORLD CHAMPION but then so are 3 other blokes.
How much fun would the world cup be if England, Brazil, France and Italy were the world champions?
That's why the world cup is so big because there is only one world champion, the same reason boxing was so big years and years ago...
Personally i'm glad Hatton has vacated, right now boxing needs big fights not dozens of champions fighting there easy mandatories *cough*
All a belt does these days is give the MC an extra couple of lines to say when introducing the 'champion'
Trouble is Hatton doesn't vacate his titles to go after the big fights. He vacates one paper title to after another paper title ::**Quote:
Originally Posted by Sf05
You guys think he will go after Castillo but he probably won't.
Team Hatton are right now probably drawing up contracts to fight either Souleymane M’baye or Ricard Torres for their paper crowns.
I think Hatton feels that winning 6 or 7 world titles will get him into the Hall of Fame and any old title will do, providing the 'champ' is a tomato can.