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is MIKE TYSON underrated?
a prime tyson was devestating--crushing every1 in his way--he didnt go in to box he went in 2 knock hos opponents TFO! and he did
he was once a scientific fighter--had he stayed that way who knows how long he would have been champ.
he became a 1 punch hitter,,,this set him up 4 defeat
he only lost 1 fight in his prime...much like joe louis
now after having a 5 yr retirement.....he sure as hell was just a shadow of his former self
point being -the tyson b4 jail was a legend--after jail--like an old louis
nobody counts louis fights after he came out of retirement, how come they count tysons fights sfter retirement?
people focus on tyson after jail--not b4 when he really was a beast ripping through all his opponents, so i think hes underrated becaus pple focus on his after jail career
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tyson isnt underrated by any means id say overrated
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
tyson isnt underrated by any means id say overrated
I agree, I love Tyson but the majority of his fanbase is severly delusional, with many thinking if he just trained hard enough he could still unify the heavyweight championship today.
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Re: is MIKE TYSON underrated?
It depends.
He's underrated in the sense of some people think all you need to do is not be afraid to beat him.
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He's overrated in the sense that people think he could destroy everyone by the wind of his punch.
So it's 50/50 from different angles and perspectives
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Originally Posted by Samson3000
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
tyson isnt underrated by any means id say overrated
I agree, I love Tyson but the majority of his fanbase is severly delusional, with many thinking if he just trained hard enough he could still unify the heavyweight championship today.
The two comments above should answer your question. He is one of the most underappreciated fighters because of his lack of mental stability. That shouldn't take away from the fact that Tyson on his best day, would probably have beaten any fighter from any era on their best day. He had it all. Speed, power, technique and IMO, a good chin. He only lost when he became complacent or just plain crazy. That man needs more appreciation.
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
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Originally Posted by Samson3000
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
tyson isnt underrated by any means id say overrated
I agree, I love Tyson but the majority of his fanbase is severly delusional, with many thinking if he just trained hard enough he could still unify the heavyweight championship today.
The two comments above should answer your question. He is one of the most underappreciated fighters because of his lack of mental stability. That shouldn't take away from the fact that Tyson on his best day, would probably have beaten any fighter from any era on their best day. He had it all. Speed, power, technique and IMO, a good chin. He only lost when he became complacent or just plain crazy. That man needs more appreciation.
There's no way in hell Tyson is underappreciated. Most people don't rank him in their top 5 heavyweights of all time, and yet these same people always pose the hypothetical matchup of Ali (usually their number 1) against Tyson. Not Ali-Lewis, Ali-Holyfield, Ali-Marciano, but more often than any other, Ali v. Tyson. That is the ultimate sign of respect.
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I think maybe the question itself is too vague.
Tyson..Over all? In his prime? his best era?
Over all as a boxer?
Career? in/outside of the ring?
Contibution to boxing?
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over rated for sure was good to watch in the early days when people like star were a babe in arms lol
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Originally Posted by undefeated
a prime tyson was devestating--crushing every1 in his way--he didnt go in to box he went in 2 knock hos opponents TFO! and he did
he was once a scientific fighter--had he stayed that way who knows how long he would have been champ.
he became a 1 punch hitter,,,this set him up 4 defeat
he only lost 1 fight in his prime...much like joe louis
now after having a 5 yr retirement.....he sure as hell was just a shadow of his former self
point being -the tyson b4 jail was a legend--after jail--like an old louis
nobody counts louis fights after he came out of retirement, how come they count tysons fights sfter retirement?
people focus on tyson after jail--not b4 when he really was a beast ripping through all his opponents, so i think hes underrated becaus pple focus on his after jail career
If his prime had come 5 or 10 years latter he would have had to face Lewis,Holyfield or Bowe to even win the HW title not the washed up fighters he did fight.
Not his fault I know but he was lucky there was a serious lack of talet around when he was in his prime.
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Originally Posted by porkypara
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Originally Posted by undefeated
a prime tyson was devestating--crushing every1 in his way--he didnt go in to box he went in 2 knock hos opponents TFO! and he did
he was once a scientific fighter--had he stayed that way who knows how long he would have been champ.
he became a 1 punch hitter,,,this set him up 4 defeat
he only lost 1 fight in his prime...much like joe louis
now after having a 5 yr retirement.....he sure as hell was just a shadow of his former self
point being -the tyson b4 jail was a legend--after jail--like an old louis
nobody counts louis fights after he came out of retirement, how come they count tysons fights sfter retirement?
people focus on tyson after jail--not b4 when he really was a beast ripping through all his opponents, so i think hes underrated becaus pple focus on his after jail career
If his prime had come 5 or 10 years latter he would have had to face Lewis,Holyfield or Bowe to even win the HW title not the washed up fighters he did fight.
Not his fault I know but he was lucky there was a serious lack of talet around when he was in his prime.
How do you know whether he was lucky though... He could have been unlucky, becasue he never had a chance to get the great names on his resume when he was at his peak.. Id say he would have had a good chance to beat any of those 3 in his prime, and they probably would have made for some of the great fights he never really had imo. Win or lose if he had faced more adversity in the ring I think alot of people would have more respect for him. He does have the one great fight imo with Razor Ruddock, but he was already past it a bit.. As for the threads question I think Starr's post was dead on.. It all depends. Most people either underrate or overrate him, I would say. Id have him top 5 at his best, in terms of who would win between all heavy's.. But probably not top 10 in a greatest HW list... Either way he was an ATG.... Anyone who argues that I think is underrating him.
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I'd say the casaul fan grossly over estimate him, whilst a large proportion of 'hardcore' fans tend to sell him short.
In my opinion he probably makes the all time top 10 but only at number 10.
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I don't rate him in the top 10 all time....he's top 20 but near the tail of it.
He was mighty impressive but at the end of his career there were guys A LOT better than he was, even in his prime. I'm not dissing Mike but being realistic about Bowe, Lewis, and Holyfield....those guys were DAMN GOOD and not to mention Old Foreman...I watched Foreman-Holyfield today and Big George still had enough in him to take it to the big boys of the division.
Mike Tyson never got the chance to fight a big time fighter in his prime....you can't say Michael Spinks...he didn't "fight" Mike Tyson he fell down....you can't say Larry Holmes...he was out of his prime.
Frank Bruno, Donovan Rudduck, Andrew Golota, Lennox Lewis, and Evander Holyfield were his chances and he did REALLY well vs Bruno and Rudduck but by the time he locked up with Evander and Lennox he was so far past it he couldn't do anything.
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Originally Posted by p4pking
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Originally Posted by porkypara
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Originally Posted by undefeated
a prime tyson was devestating--crushing every1 in his way--he didnt go in to box he went in 2 knock hos opponents TFO! and he did
he was once a scientific fighter--had he stayed that way who knows how long he would have been champ.
he became a 1 punch hitter,,,this set him up 4 defeat
he only lost 1 fight in his prime...much like joe louis
now after having a 5 yr retirement.....he sure as hell was just a shadow of his former self
point being -the tyson b4 jail was a legend--after jail--like an old louis
nobody counts louis fights after he came out of retirement, how come they count tysons fights sfter retirement?
people focus on tyson after jail--not b4 when he really was a beast ripping through all his opponents, so i think hes underrated becaus pple focus on his after jail career
If his prime had come 5 or 10 years latter he would have had to face Lewis,Holyfield or Bowe to even win the HW title not the washed up fighters he did fight.
Not his fault I know but he was lucky there was a serious lack of talet around when he was in his prime.
How do you know whether he was lucky though... He could have been unlucky, becasue he never had a chance to get the great names on his resume when he was at his peak.. Id say he would have had a good chance to beat any of those 3 in his prime, and they probably would have made for some of the great fights he never really had imo. Win or lose if he had faced more adversity in the ring I think alot of people would have more respect for him. He does have the one great fight imo with Razor Ruddock, but he was already past it a bit.. As for the threads question I think Starr's post was dead on.. It all depends. Most people either underrate or overrate him, I would say. Id have him top 5 at his best, in terms of who would win between all heavy's.. But probably not top 10 in a greatest HW list... Either way he was an ATG.... Anyone who argues that I think is underrating him.
Yep i take Prime Mike beating Lewis, Holyfield and Bowe personally. Yea Mikes career isnt one of the greatest of heavies on a all time level....but on a top 10 'best' in terms of ability at their best i have Mike VERY HIGH.
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Lewis and Bowe both had the perfect style to beat Tyson
Holyfield would ALWAYS at least frustrate Tyson to no end....I do think he'd still beat Tyson in Mike's Prime
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as far as a prime tyson(85-90) vs the other greats go
i still think a prime tyson 4sure could not have beaten ali or foreman
its fair 2 say he has a chance 2 beat
holmes-either way--holmes would make tyson eat his jab-tyson would bash in holmes w/body shots
frazier
marciano
lewis
holyfield
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Tyson-Shavers always piqued my intrest
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Lewis and Bowe both had the perfect style to beat Tyson
Holyfield would ALWAYS at least frustrate Tyson to no end....I do think he'd still beat Tyson in Mike's Prime
agreed with this
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Lewis would have struggled with Tyson in the 80's where as Bowe would have won.
Lewis is also overrated...to slow and lumbering. Tyson circa 1987 would have done it in 2-3 rounds.
Tyson lost to Douglas and in reality probably should not be ranked in the top 10 of all time as a lot of boxing scribes have done.
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Lewis and Bowe both had the perfect style to beat Tyson
Holyfield would ALWAYS at least frustrate Tyson to no end....I do think he'd still beat Tyson in Mike's Prime
agreed with this
Yep, me too. Holyfield would've beaten Tyson in 1991, 1997, 2007, whenever. And I would like Lewis and Bowe's chances as well if they had fought in the early 90's.
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Lewis would have struggled with Tyson in the 80's where as Bowe would have won.
Lewis is also overrated...to slow and lumbering. Tyson circa 1987 would have done it in 2-3 rounds.
Tyson lost to Douglas and in reality probably should not be ranked in the top 10 of all time as a lot of boxing scribes have done.
Lewis was fast in the late 80's early 90's ..real fast and excellent power... much better at that point in time then he was when he made that 25-30 lbs leap after the Ruddock fight , all that muscle slowed him to a crawl.. The 226 lb Lewis that destroyed Ruddock would have given a prime Tyson some troubles IMO.
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Lewis -vs- Ruddock O0
Pepe Correa was a great trainer, and Lewis was a better fighter for it. Lennox would have been more exciting and thus be held in higher regard, had he stayed with Pepe IMO .
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Pisses me off how he says "I did it as a Brit!"
He used the Canadian Amateur program to develop his skills and fought for Canada in the Olympics twice!!
he moved to Canada at age 12 and had done no boxing before coming to Canada, NONE!
Canadian citizens and taxpayers dollars supported,fed, clothed and trained him. It cost MILLIONS of $$$ to send a fighter to the Olympics! He went and learned his train and gained notoriety on Canada's back TWICE, and that is how he shows his gratitude! F#ck Him!
That fight was 2 Canadian boxers. Britain can have the ungrateful b@stard as far as I'm concerned.
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For what. Sparring matches or exhibitions with 320 pound hulks? Give me a break. He quit on his stool like a dog against McBride and that shoud be a part of his infamous legacy. Tyson snatched defeat from victory and dissapointed his fans by becoming a big "what if." Can we just move on?
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Originally Posted by landmine950
Pisses me off how he says "I did it as a Brit!"
He used the Canadian Amateur program to develop his skills and fought for Canada in the Olympics twice!!
he moved to Canada at age 12 and had done no boxing before coming to Canada, NONE!
Canadian citizens and taxpayers dollars supported,fed, clothed and trained him. It cost MILLIONS of $$$ to send a fighter to the Olympics! He went and learned his train and gained notoriety on Canada's back TWICE, and that is how he shows his gratitude! F#ck Him!
That fight was 2 Canadian boxers. Britain can have the ungrateful b@stard as far as I'm concerned.
Actually I think he's claiming he's American these days ::**
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Originally Posted by Starr
It depends.
He's underrated in the sense of some people think all you need to do is not be afraid to beat him.
and
He's overrated in the sense that people think he could destroy everyone by the wind of his punch.
So it's 50/50 from different angles and perspectives
pretty much sums it cc
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
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Originally Posted by glennf
Lewis would have struggled with Tyson in the 80's where as Bowe would have won.
Lewis is also overrated...to slow and lumbering. Tyson circa 1987 would have done it in 2-3 rounds.
Tyson lost to Douglas and in reality probably should not be ranked in the top 10 of all time as a lot of boxing scribes have done.
Lewis was fast in the late 80's early 90's ..real fast and excellent power... much better at that point in time then he was when he made that 25-30 lbs leap after the Ruddock fight  , all that muscle slowed him to a crawl..  The 226 lb  Lewis that destroyed Ruddock would have given a prime Tyson some troubles IMO.
I don't think that overhand right would have hit Tyson when he knew what "Defense" was.
But it's all up to interpretation, he peaked too soon and changed his style from combos and defense to one punch ko.  In many ways...he's like hamed, not in style but circumstance.
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Originally Posted by undefeated
a prime tyson was devestating--crushing every1 in his way--he didnt go in to box he went in 2 knock hos opponents TFO! and he did
he was once a scientific fighter--had he stayed that way who knows how long he would have been champ.
he became a 1 punch hitter,,,this set him up 4 defeat
he only lost 1 fight in his prime...much like joe louis
now after having a 5 yr retirement.....he sure as hell was just a shadow of his former self
point being -the tyson b4 jail was a legend--after jail--like an old louis
nobody counts louis fights after he came out of retirement, how come they count tysons fights sfter retirement?
people focus on tyson after jail--not b4 when he really was a beast ripping through all his opponents, so i think hes underrated becaus pple focus on his after jail career
He's not rated now because he is retired, But Pre Prison, He was a monster capable of decapitating any heavy that ever lived, Post Prison, He was pretty much a little better than average.
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Originally Posted by landmine950
Pisses me off how he says "I did it as a Brit!"
He used the Canadian Amateur program to develop his skills and fought for Canada in the Olympics twice!!
he moved to Canada at age 12 and had done no boxing before coming to Canada, NONE!
Canadian citizens and taxpayers dollars supported,fed, clothed and trained him. It cost MILLIONS of $$$ to send a fighter to the Olympics! He went and learned his train and gained notoriety on Canada's back TWICE, and that is how he shows his gratitude! F#ck Him!
That fight was 2 Canadian boxers. Britain can have the ungrateful b@stard as far as I'm concerned.
you petty parochial bastard, is it not possible to have allegiance to more than one flag in your universe? He was born here, he'd have boxed here and y'know what if he'd have walked into a shithot gym in London instead of some crappy canadian one he might;ve ended up TWICE the fighter he was, but he didn't. Big deal. Doesnt change the fact he's born in Britain and has British citizenship. Stupid stupid man.
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He COULD NOT have fought for Canada in the Olympics without CANADAIN citizenship!
Maybe you Brits should be glad that us Canadians have some alliegance
that's why we declared war on Germany the same day as Britain even though we were 5000 miles away and safe in the shadow of the USA!
1 million Canadians served in WWII
45,000 Canadian war dead 55,000 wounded both my Uncle and Father fought in WWII
1 out of every 200 Canadians DIED in WWII and onother 1 in 200 were wounded
WWI ever heard of it? 62,000 dead 175,000 wounded
to save your asses from the kraut b@stards!
Lewis was proud to wave the CANADIAN flag when it suited him best
BUT when there was more money to be made he dumped it for the Union Jack or Stars and Stripes or whatever suited him that day!
Ya your right... all that country allegance stuff.....stupid...we should have stayed home!
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...F*** Canada!
Come on Lyle!! I expect more from you that!
Too lame to even get me p1ssed off!
your not really even trying!
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fuck canada, one half of the population speaks french and the other ENGLISH-SPEAKING half fucking lets 'em!! Hahahaha says it all, goddamn moose-fuckers!!
LEwis was proud to wave the canadian flag when they were giving him money as a teenager, then when it suited him he came back HOME and started his pro-career over here. Then, as you might have heard, he went to America and took over, under a British flag. What country does Michael Buffer say Lewis comes from again every time he fights? oh yeah, ENGLAND! What was his title going into that Ruddock fight up there, I'm sure I heard the MC say BRITISH, commonwealth and EUROPEAN champion didn't you? Just get over it.
statistics? War? Grow up you tool. Yeah I world war one, didn't nearly a million british people die in that war? get some perspective mate, Canada was a colony back then and you did what you were told, you did well, in world war 2 you did well again, and in the end we set you free after 200 years or so of loyal service. The reason you declared war on the same day as us is because we did it for you. You were listed as one of our possessions at the time, 3rd behind India and Australia. Why in the name of christ's fat cock do you even wanna bring world war 1 into anyways? Point is you've learned an important lesson. Dont argue history with british people you lose every time.
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All that is left is this picture of a very attractive English lady.
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Originally Posted by landmine950
Dude the sun has set on your empire! Now just a gaggle of Indi take-aways and chinese grocers. Couldn't even build a car that didn't rust to pieces before it fell off the assembly line! Too high tech for you tea baggers! Quick! run to the Falklands to kick a** of some third world country and beat your pale skinny chests in front of some snaggletoothed old hag. Who is it? the Queen mom or Margret Thatcher? I can't tell they both smell like depends adult diapers!
Quick! The Argentinians are humping OUR sheep! and after We primed them all up with good Guiness too!! sure you can handle that war all on your own?
Or Do you need Canada and the USA to come bail your asses out .......AGAIN!
Empire? whats left? North Ireland? Ya.. tell that to THE SHADOW
landmine can you stop with these insults about are country i dont care if you are joking i dont find it funny its rude statement and same goes for sovereign can we stop with this about dissing countrys i dont hate any country to me we are all same human beings no matter what colour so lets stop this nonsense and get back to talking about boxing
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Originally Posted by landmine950
Dude the sun has set on your empire! Now just a gaggle of Indi take-aways and chinese grocers. Couldn't even build a car that didn't rust to pieces before it fell off the assembly line! Too high tech for you tea baggers! Quick! run to the Falklands to kick a** of some third world country and beat your pale skinny chests in front of some snaggletoothed old hag. Who is it? the Queen mom or Margret Thatcher? I can't tell they both smell like depends adult diapers!
Quick! The Argentinians are humping OUR sheep! and after We primed them all up with good Guiness too!! sure you can handle that war all on your own?
Or Do you need Canada and the USA to come bail your asses out .......AGAIN!
Empire? whats left? North Ireland? Ya.. tell that to THE SHADOW
landmine can you stop with these insults about are country i dont care if you are joking i dont find it funny its rude statement and same goes for sovereign can we stop with this about dissing countrys i dont hate any country to me we are all same human beings no matter what colour so lets stop this nonsense and get back to talking about boxing
To be fair there are a number of posters in this thread that are saying things beyond any measure of control. Needs to be cleaned up a bit!! ;)
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Originally Posted by landmine950
Dude the sun has set on your empire! Now just a gaggle of Indi take-aways and chinese grocers. Couldn't even build a car that didn't rust to pieces before it fell off the assembly line! Too high tech for you tea baggers! Quick! run to the Falklands to kick a** of some third world country and beat your pale skinny chests in front of some snaggletoothed old hag. Who is it? the Queen mom or Margret Thatcher? I can't tell they both smell like depends adult diapers!
Quick! The Argentinians are humping OUR sheep! and after We primed them all up with good Guiness too!! sure you can handle that war all on your own?
Or Do you need Canada and the USA to come bail your asses out .......AGAIN!
Empire? whats left? North Ireland? Ya.. tell that to THE SHADOW
landmine can you stop with these insults about are country i dont care if you are joking i dont find it funny its rude statement and same goes for sovereign can we stop with this about dissing countrys i dont hate any country to me we are all same human beings no matter what colour so lets stop this nonsense and get back to talking about boxing
Agreed ! O0
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F*** canada, one half of the population speaks french and the other ENGLISH-SPEAKING half F****** lets 'em!! Hahahaha says it all, goddamn moose-f*****!!
LEwis was proud to wave the canadian flag when they were giving him money as a teenager, then when it suited him he came back HOME and started his pro-career over here. Then, as you might have heard, he went to America and took over, under a British flag. What country does Michael Buffer say Lewis comes from again every time he fights? oh yeah, ENGLAND! What was his title going into that Ruddock fight up there, I'm sure I heard the MC say BRITISH, commonwealth and EUROPEAN champion didn't you? Just get over it.
statistics? War? Grow up you tool. Yeah I world war one, didn't nearly a million british people die in that war? get some perspective mate, Canada was a colony back then and you did what you were told, you did well, in world war 2 you did well again, and in the end we set you free after 200 years or so of loyal service. The reason you declared war on the same day as us is because we did it for you. You were listed as one of our possessions at the time, 3rd behind India and Australia. Why in the name of christ's fat cock do you even wanna bring world war 1 into anyways? Point is you've learned an important lesson. Dont argue history with british people you lose every time.
Hey, Im Canadian, and Im not going to say landmine is handling himself well but your no better with this shit... I can totally agree with you even in some of your points.. I think its a total crock of shit that every label on any product in all of Canada is written in French and English. But if you want to pry at this, it was YOU BRITS THAT LET THE FRENCH STAY FOR GODS SAKE. After the seven years war, do you know how many French people were inhabiting Canada?? Do you? Sorry, but you really ought to read up on this if you think it's crazy that WE let them speak French and live here..Who do you think WE are?? I believe from Britain originally ::** Or was it the native Indians who let the French have their province....
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
tyson isnt underrated by any means id say overrated
I agree, I love Tyson but the majority of his fanbase is severly delusional, with many thinking if he just trained hard enough he could still unify the heavyweight championship today.
u know wat call me a mike tyson fan who is delusianl but who really stand in his way to unify? which of the four champs can beat him?
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tyson isnt underrated by any means id say overrated
I agree, I love Tyson but the majority of his fanbase is severly delusional, with many thinking if he just trained hard enough he could still unify the heavyweight championship today.
u know wat call me a mike tyson fan who is delusianl but who really stand in his way to unify? which of the four champs can beat him?
Are you kidding? All 4 would beat him.
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It was about Lennox Lewis and how I feel that a boxer,or any athlete for that matter should show some allegiance to the country that footed the bill for his training etc and Olympic exposure.
I don't care where he's from. If you represent Lower Slubovia in the Olympics after training there for 10 years on taxpayers dollars and then become a pro and say "no really I'm German, I was born In dusseldorff (or wherever)
"Cheer for me" Germany (ps I'm German)... then your a backstabbing turncoat HOMO ,and I hate you.
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Mike went downhill when he tried to be a rockstar. Like Arturro Gatti's father said to him,"you can either be a rockstar or a boxer. You can't be both."
