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Good on Sam Peter, don't budge my son
I think it is a smart move. It's hard to not take $2.5 million and sit on your ass, but Peter has a good chance in picking up a belt by fighting Maskaev. Once he gets this title he will have much more leverage in negoiating a fight with Klitschko. Very ballsy, but I think the right move.
wow Peter's got some Kahunas. Thats some serious brass balls to turn down all that dollar. I doubt his purse would top $2.5m to fight Maskaev. Good man Sam Peter.
Personally I think if Vitali was any kind of man he would allow Peter to have first shot knowing that he would be first in line to fight the winner.
The fact that he continues to insist on jumping the queue suggests two things:
1) He knows Maskaev is a C lister and represents an easy chance to pick up a belt with little risk.
2) He sure as hell doesn't want to fight Sam Peter.
This makes me think that even if he does get first shot and fights and wins against Maskaev, he will follow in the proud footsteps of Ricky Hatton and thanks the WBC for the opportunity and hand them the belt back.
Yeah, it's the right thing to do, but if it were me I would take the 2.5 million and retire. FREE MONEY!Quote:
Originally Posted by bilbo
II were an NFL player I'd play out my first contract and retire with a few million in the bank.
I disagree, Vitali earned his Emiritus status, it's his parogative to fight the chanp whenever he wants, Peter is entitled to his shot too, and he's gonna get it against Klitschko!Quote:
Originally Posted by bilbo
The offer included a $3 million payday for Peter to fight the winner so I dont think he was gonna hand the belt back.Quote:
Originally Posted by bilbo
It's part principle, but I also think in the long run if Peter believes in himslef he will make the bigger money down the road by taking this route.
Still, for a guy who has never seen close to 7 figures, it shows a lot of integrity.
So if Lennox comes back he can fight Maskaev before then? Because he retired first ??? And therefore got a belt that ranks above Vitali's ??? It's all bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by yoitsdan
Oh yeah Vitali can come back whenever he wants and automatically fight the WBC Champ/ If thats the case why would the WBC ENSURE Sam Peter a title shot in his next fight after the first James Toney fight? Then after the second. If it was really that dire on Vitali's return why didn't they put a clause in the WBC to ask the Emirtius champion if for that entire year he intends on returning? Why put promises in contracts if you're just going to betray them.
I'm with you man, Peter has earned his shot but rules are rules, WBC can do what they please, Peter is still entitled to his shot, but he's got to wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
As much as like Vitali, you gotta respect what Peters doing here Vitali should realise he needs to just let it go and wait his turn..... :)
Good for Peter. Hes got principles unlike silver spoon Klitshcko
Silver spoon is harsh.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
Damn. 2.5 mil to watch. That's big big money.
Yeah!Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
To watch your oppourtunity get taken by someone else... ;D
Yeah but still. 2.5 Million to sit on your ass and watch TV is something not to many would decline ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
Stealing a Title Shot is harsh. A real fighter wants to fight. I bet you 9 out of 10 of the top 10 heavyweights would take that money and sit back. That is the problem with the divisionQuote:
Originally Posted by yoitsdan
Ok at first I was agreeing with klitshko, but peter just seems to want this fight so bad he should let peter have a go at it. Something though needs to be put in the contract that whoever wins peter or maskaev, they have to fight vitali next, no ifs or buts. I don't see why vitali doesn't want to back out, shit I doubt peter could knock him out, and I seriously doubt that he can outbox him, so he should just take some warm up fight and then fight winner of peter-maskaev, most likely peter.
Why??That was the best deal I have ever heard of!Peter will soon be kicking himself for that move. ???
Please explain that stupid "silver spoon"comment. ::**Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
What if Peter steps aside, Klitschko Beats Maskaev.Then retires!
What happens to Peter's "Guaranteed" $3 Million fight against the winner?
The winner has retired! Is WBA guaranteeing the $3 Million? We know what their "word" is worth! Nothing!
Then what? He has to fight someone else or Mask to Qualify again? More sanctioning fees? I bet I know how much the fees would be!
The $3 million he got to step aside for Klitschko!
Maybe has to fight Maskaev and then maybe the winner of the #3 and #4 spots (Sam and Toney)
Hey maybe he ends up fighting James Toney 3 times!
What if Klitschko wins and then just doesn't want to face Peter?
say he wants Valuev or Briggs. You can't MAKE Klitschko fight Peter, maybe he relinquishes the belt? What leverage does Peter have then? No belt. No recent win. nothing.
Peter knows (thinks) that his BEST chance of a belt and then best leverage position in the div to COMMAND big $$ is to beat Maskaev.
When you have that Golden belt around your waist you have credability (in the publics eyes) "He who was the gold (belt) rules!"
With the belt in a fight against Klitschko he could demand a rematch clause if he loses....
SEE there is a lot more to this than meets the eye!
The question is...HOW MUCH DOES A TITLE BELT FIGHT or a UNIFICATION title belt fight generate in 2007?
LOTS more than 2 or 3 Million I'd say!
The 2 1/2 to step aside and then 3 milion to fight the winner might be chump change! The Mask/Klitschko fight might be worth 20 Million!
and the winners next fight worth 30! does anyone know? or have real data on what these fights are worth nowadays? Say the Peter/Toney fights?
Let Vitali whip Peter's ass already.
The way I see it, Peter is doing the right thing and even if he beats maskaev and loses to vitali for the title down the line (which I don't see happening), at least he stood his ground and did it honorably. klit fans should want Peter to fight for the title first because that way if vitali beats Peter for the title (again, I doubt it) and then gets injured and has to postpone a future fight, nobody will say it's an excuse and he will truly be recognized as champ. Even by me. Any one that doesn't see what a cowardly act it is for vitali to say he's coming back only after Peter beat Toney the second time, is either not paying attention or just a bias klit fan. He knows he could have taken his tiime coming back if Toney won cause he would have beaten him anyway but he's unsure if he can beat Peter.
What if Peter loses to Maskaev?It can happen where is he then?He won't get another shot for quite some time.All he has to do is sit back,make money(for doing nothing), and wait for a big money fight against the winner!What is the problem?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bx730NY
Vitaly is so far from being a coward and I won't even respond to such a ludicrous statement.
For those of you that forgot that Vitali retired because of injury, it takes time to rehab an injury such as his and now at this time and for no other reason he feels 100% and that is why he is coming back at this particular time and not because of the current heavyweight situation.
There is no reason why Vitali cannot wait one more fight....Peter should be allowed his shot...
Maybe you didn't read the bolded part. Peter wants the title, he believes in himself, and he thinks that the big money will come if he just gets a chance to establish himself as a champ. How you can possibly not understand his stance does me in... It's much, much better for boxing with Peter not accepting the money to step aside. Why can't Vitali just take a tune up fight, then get the winner of Maskaev Peter?? Obviously he would get alot more credit for beating the winner than if he just fought Maskaev now..Quote:
Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
What if Peter loses to Maskaev?It can happen
Sorry but could you explain how it could happen?
Maskaev has a history of being blown away by mediocre fighters who have a punch. Peter is a pretty good fighter and probably the biggest puncher in boxing right now.
It won't go 4 rounds.
There is very little chance of Maskaev beating Peter. Maskaev is a simple step up from decent journeyman status IMO...Peter should blow him away, or at least get an easy UD....Quote:
Originally Posted by bilbo
Even if I picked Peter I couldnt see him losing! ;D
man,
This has been talked about, and beaten to death....And 90% of the people talkin about it, are just talking with emotion. And i feel for you, i really do. I have been a fan of a fighter who got the sh*t end of the stick before. However, jesus christ, the ONLY reason peter wants this fight, is so he can hold the WBC belt before klitschko's do. IF peter does not fight maskeav, he will NEVER get that belt. He wants the easier route to the belt, than having to go through a Klitschko to get it.
I mean seriously, he got beat down bad..something like 114-111, and thats with him getting 3 knockdowns! (even though 2 were rabbit punches). If wlad beat peters a$$ the way he did, wtf do you think will happen if vitali gets a hold of him? Seriously. Someone please look at this objectively.
Everyone is hatin on Vitali, but he is doing nothing wrong, he's a fighter who sees an opportunity to beat someones a$$, and make alot more money than peter vs oleg would make.
No one here would do anything different than vitali, NO ONE. it isn't his fault that the WBC granted him his emeritus status. He is just trying to use a right, given to him by the WBC. Also, this emeritus status that was given to vitali WAS NOT A LAST SECOND THING. it was given to vitali immediately after his retirement announcement. All in all, rules are rules, i know it sucks for peter (if it goes through) and if peter gets the fight, cool, glad he could make his money and get his belt. if he doesnt get his fight, cool, im glad vitali is able to come back after retiring from an injury and grab a belt.
Why should Peter sit back and wait? vitali sat back for about 2 years. You mean to tell me he can't wait a few months all of a sudden? What's his rush? Let Peter fiight his well earned mandatory and then he can fight the winner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
Right on the money. CC no. 100!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bx730NY
:sadclick: Those are ridiculous statements. How can you say that Peter is just trying to get the wbc title before the klits do? He was fighting mandatories before they came into the picture and it is them that are trying to get a hold of it before he does. Peter has been trying to rematch wlad since the day after their fight and I can't imagine him ducking big bro either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_Deuce
Here's something else for you geniuses to swallow. You guys don't see anything wrong with vitali skipping Peter and try to make every possible bit of sense you can out of it but believe me, if it was the right thing to do, they wouldn't be offering that kind of money for Peter to step. Everyone of the klit fans say that he's crazy for not taking the money but he's not from the new breed of so-called fighters that you hear talking about money all the time. He is a real fighter with honor that actually cares more about fighting and being the best than money.
Bottom line is this, the wbc, maskaev and vitali are all to blame here. The wbc is trying to squrrel their way out liability by trying to have someone else make the decision for them and it's just dirty.
How can you guys in good conscience call yourself boxing fans with bias thinking like that? Do you realize how something like this, if it happens, will set the tone for much more corruption in the sport real boxing fans love. MMA is supposed to be a distant second but things like this are driving fans away and giving UFC a chance to catch up and eventually pass boxing.
Thanx & cc back for making the points I didn't get to.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bx730NY
LMMFAO
Listen, i know its a hard concept to grasp, but its ALL ABOUT MONEY.
WBC is ABOUT THE MONEY
samuel peter is ABOUT THE MONEY
don king is ABOUT THE MONEY
WBC made the emeritus status rule LONG before peter ever became a contender. Why you ask? well its simple. For this very reason.
WBC not samuel peter, not Don king, Not vitali klitschko, not shelly finkel, not duva, not even jesus christ himself will keep the WBC in buisness. Its the WBC. And like it, or not. Any professional sporting event, is ABOUT MONEY. thats why i say its sad if peter doesnt get his shot, But, OH WELL. if looking at the rules Vitali has just as much of a right to fight than peter. Read the rules. seriously.
Stop pretending like you know whats going on, and just read WTF the WBC has as rules. And if you dont like it, To friggen bad,it is what it is. You cant change it, peter cant change it.
WBC covered its a$$.
they gave 2.5 million as an offer to peter to
1.shut the hell up and stop crying
2.pay back the sanction fee's
3.shut the hell up and stop crying.
Peter said Hell NO! 2.5, No way... Now people are saying crap like "OH what a guy, he's doing the right thing!, he cant be bought off, blah blah blah. THEN WHY IS DON KING making a COUNTER OFFER!
because its ALL ABOUT THE MONEY.
King has financial advisers, and they assess the POTENTIAL fight with maskaev, and they want to try and get MORE than what peter COULD possibly MAKE in that fight. ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY.
WBC WANTS OLEG & VITALI in MOSCOW. it will be one of the biggest fights ever in that area. Its ALL ABOUT THE MONEY.
Then Vitali will KO Peter, and peter will be left with about 30%-40% of a bigger profit than if he fought maskaev first.
PETER WILL BE OK WITH THAT, BECAUSE ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY.
even after i typed all that, what it comes down to are a few facts that you, me, and everyone else cannot change.
1. WBC sets its own rules. And it clearly states that (section 1.21 Championship Defense Obligations. )
iv) a former or retired world champion upon majority vote of the Board of Governors;
section X under 1.21
x) Under extreme special circumstances, such as an unification bout or a proposed bout with a legendary boxer, that could result in a great promotion, prestige, and importance for the sport of boxing, the WBC may sanction such bout as a mandatory bout. If a mandatory challenger had already been appointed by the WBC(PETER), the winner of the special bout(VITALI OR OLEG) will then face the mandatory challenger without an intervening contest.
2. WBC wants whats best for the WBC, plublicity wise, and MONEY wise.
like it or not.
It maybe be morally wrong, but i quote
"Let him who is without sin cast the first stone"
That's a joke right? :dummespost:Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_Deuce
I can't believe you just tried to refer to vitali as legendary.
Are you dense? or a high school drop out or not even in high school yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bx730NY
That is what the WBC has used so far to defend the reasoning behind making Vitali the Mandatory.
did you eat paint chips as lil kid?
Why do you think Vitali would beat Peter worse than Wlad did? Wlad has chin issues, but I think he's a much more skilled boxer than Vitali.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_Deuce
Vitali might not get knocked down 3 times like Wlad did, but I can't see Vitali winning 9 or 10 rounds against Peter like Wlad did.
Vitali's claim to fame is getting his face ripped to shreds by an old, fat, out of shape, unprepared, unmotivated Lennox Lewis. If he had ever accomplished anything else, he wouldn't talk about Lennox Lewis over and over and over and over again.
Excellent point :coolclick:Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
IF wlad made samuel peter do the judah dance, What in the world do you think vitali would do? Vitali has alot more power IMO than wlad. Wlad might have alittle more style, but vitali has a great powerline, and will devastate samuel peter inside of 6 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
EASILY.
about wlad being more skilled...Dont let the fact that you have only been able to watch wlad fight for the past 2 years (and not vitali)
persuade your decision.
I mean, wlad has improved greatly since his loss to corrie sanders,
But vitali and wlad fought sanders only 1 year apart, and it was 2 totally different fights. Its funny
when both klitschkos started to get recognized Wlad was supposedly the better of the two, then it moved to Vitali, and now back to wlad. Well it seems like whoever we get to see more, is who we say is better (which is understandable) however, lets not forget, vitali did not retire champ as an accident. His power, and stamina (at the time when both fighters were fighting at the same time) was favored over wlads.
Now, as far as mentioning his loss to lewis over and over, Im sure it bothers him to this day....i know it would bother me...
He had him beat, by 2(some say 3) rounds. But a dang cut stopped him from beating lewis. Now, im sure it haunts him to this day. That is no doubt.
it was his biggest fight of his career, and he believes he coulda won it, IF (and i say IF) that cut didnt stop the fight. But it did, and the books say he got TKO'd. It wouldnt bother you?