pacman OVERRATED

OK Pacfans before yall jump on my head hear me out. I just got threw reading the latest article of the ring magazine and I gotta tell you I did not agree with what I read. For some reason more and more people have started to consider Pacman as the best in the world after his third round KO over Morales. If you ask me all that was proven in that fight is that Erick Morrales is finished. To me the barrometer that should be used to measure Pacmans greatness is the first fight with Morrales. In that fight the tough Pacman made it interesting by staying in it and fighting back even though the tecnically supperior Morrales had beat him to a bloody pulp by the time the last bell sounded. Since then I dont think PacMan has gotten much better, its Morrales that got worse. Now I'm not saying that PacMan is not a great fighter, he is. I'm simply stating that every body is getting a little too exited over this shallow victory. PacMan is a great fighter but he still aint no Terrible, and he is certanly not the best in the world.

I agree with you that his latest victory over Morales showed more that Eric was done than that Pac was just too good. And i still think he has several flaws. BUT, he is a handful for anyone because of his power and speed. It will be interesting if he can keep his mind and body in the fight business with all the distractions he has.

I think a fair few people are starting to gt a lil pissed with pacman not stepping up and fighting the best fighters at his weight.

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Originally Posted by Preme

I think a fair few people are starting to gt a lil pissed with pacman not stepping up and fighting the best fighters at his weight.

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Isn't that where his problems with GBP comes into play though? They have almost all of the good to great fighters around PAC's weight.

I would not mind seeing a fight between him and Cassamayor. That would be a very intersting figth to say the least and I would have to give the edge to El Cepillo.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by Preme

I think a fair few people are starting to gt a lil pissed with pacman not stepping up and fighting the best fighters at his weight.

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Isn't that where his problems with GBP comes into play though? They have almost all of the good to great fighters around PAC's weight.

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Golden boy tried to make the pac - barrera fight, but the wbc wudn't alow it i think ;

there is Soto, Guzman; nothing stopping pac calling them out, and really calling them out. People have spoken about how such and such promoter wudnt let them in the ring with pac bla bla but if pac caled them out with a purpose and they wanted the fight the promo would make it.

In all honesty Pac has made his name by beating the O A P tour, all past there best but look good fighting each other. Its nothing new its been happening for years

i think Pac Man will have a really tough time fighting against a sharp slick boxer like Guzman. and for the records a fight in which i think he lost, against JMM, JMM neutralized pretty much anything Pac Man had after the first few rounds and again with his boxing skills. if you decide to stay right in front of Pac Man and brawl, i don't care who you are you will get KTFO but if you box him the whole fight you could definitely win.

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Originally Posted by mike_tha_man

i think Pac Man will have a really tough time fighting against a sharp slick boxer like Guzman. and for the records a fight in which i think he lost, against JMM, JMM neutralized pretty much anything Pac Man had after the first few rounds and again with his boxing skills. if you decide to stay right in front of Pac Man and brawl, i don't care who you are you will get KTFO but if you box him the whole fight you could definitely win.

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Yes and lets not forget that JMM Marquez himself can be outboxed as well.

I really love Pacquiao, one of the most exciting fighters in the world but beating Morales didn't really prove a whole lot.

Raheem handed Morales his ass too.

I think Pacquaio's biggest win by far was his destruction of Barrera. He's definitely a p4p star but how good he truly is cannot be properly measured at this time.

He needs to beat a live opponent to confirm his greatness, Marquez, Barrera, Guzman or Soto to show he is truly the king of the division.

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i think Pac Man will have a really tough time fighting against a sharp slick boxer like Guzman. and for the records a fight in which i think he lost, against JMM, JMM neutralized pretty much anything Pac Man had after the first few rounds and again with his boxing skills. if you decide to stay right in front of Pac Man and brawl, i don't care who you are you will get KTFO but if you box him the whole fight you could definitely win.

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Yes and lets not forget that JMM Marquez himself can be outboxed as well.

I really love Pacquiao, one of the most exciting fighters in the world but beating Morales didn't really prove a whole lot.

Raheem handed Morales his a** too.

I think Pacquaio's biggest win by far was his destruction of Barrera. He's definitely a p4p star but how good he truly is cannot be properly measured at this time.

He needs to beat a live opponent to confirm his greatness, Marquez, Barrera, Guzman or Soto to show he is truly the king of the division.

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Pacman is DUCKING! jmm.

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Originally Posted by GOLDENBOY213

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Originally Posted by bilbo

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Originally Posted by mike_tha_man

i think Pac Man will have a really tough time fighting against a sharp slick boxer like Guzman. and for the records a fight in which i think he lost, against JMM, JMM neutralized pretty much anything Pac Man had after the first few rounds and again with his boxing skills. if you decide to stay right in front of Pac Man and brawl, i don't care who you are you will get KTFO but if you box him the whole fight you could definitely win.

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Yes and lets not forget that JMM Marquez himself can be outboxed as well.

I really love Pacquiao, one of the most exciting fighters in the world but beating Morales didn't really prove a whole lot.

Raheem handed Morales his a** too.

I think Pacquaio's biggest win by far was his destruction of Barrera. He's definitely a p4p star but how good he truly is cannot be properly measured at this time.

He needs to beat a live opponent to confirm his greatness, Marquez, Barrera, Guzman or Soto to show he is truly the king of the division.

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Pacman is DUCKING! jmm.

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I don't think Pac is ducking JMM.....
The oppourtunity was there for JMM to fight him instead he flew his ass (under isntruction of Ignacio) all the way to Indonesia and got robbed over there.....
Bad management really.....
But no I disagree, PACs not duckig anyone.....
At least not now....

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

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Originally Posted by GOLDENBOY213

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Originally Posted by bilbo

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Originally Posted by mike_tha_man

i think Pac Man will have a really tough time fighting against a sharp slick boxer like Guzman. and for the records a fight in which i think he lost, against JMM, JMM neutralized pretty much anything Pac Man had after the first few rounds and again with his boxing skills. if you decide to stay right in front of Pac Man and brawl, i don't care who you are you will get KTFO but if you box him the whole fight you could definitely win.

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Yes and lets not forget that JMM Marquez himself can be outboxed as well.

I really love Pacquiao, one of the most exciting fighters in the world but beating Morales didn't really prove a whole lot.

Raheem handed Morales his a** too.

I think Pacquaio's biggest win by far was his destruction of Barrera. He's definitely a p4p star but how good he truly is cannot be properly measured at this time.

He needs to beat a live opponent to confirm his greatness, Marquez, Barrera, Guzman or Soto to show he is truly the king of the division.

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Pacman is DUCKING! jmm.

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I don't think Pac is ducking JMM.....
The oppourtunity was there for JMM to fight him instead he flew his a** (under isntruction of Ignacio) all the way to Indonesia and got robbed over there.....
Bad management really.....
But no I disagree, PACs not duckig anyone.....
At least not now....

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After he won against morales they asked him about who was next and he totally changed the subject .

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Originally Posted by Scrap

In all honesty Pac has made his name by beating the O A P tour, all past there best but look good fighting each other. Its nothing new its been happening for years

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What I've always thought Scrap... even the guys closer to his weight have a lot more miles on the clock in terms of world level fights and wars.

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Originally Posted by GOLDENBOY213

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Originally Posted by GOLDENBOY213

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Originally Posted by mike_tha_man

i think Pac Man will have a really tough time fighting against a sharp slick boxer like Guzman. and for the records a fight in which i think he lost, against JMM, JMM neutralized pretty much anything Pac Man had after the first few rounds and again with his boxing skills. if you decide to stay right in front of Pac Man and brawl, i don't care who you are you will get KTFO but if you box him the whole fight you could definitely win.

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Yes and lets not forget that JMM Marquez himself can be outboxed as well.

I really love Pacquiao, one of the most exciting fighters in the world but beating Morales didn't really prove a whole lot.

Raheem handed Morales his a** too.

I think Pacquaio's biggest win by far was his destruction of Barrera. He's definitely a p4p star but how good he truly is cannot be properly measured at this time.

He needs to beat a live opponent to confirm his greatness, Marquez, Barrera, Guzman or Soto to show he is truly the king of the division.

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Pacman is DUCKING! jmm.

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I don't think Pac is ducking JMM.....
The oppourtunity was there for JMM to fight him instead he flew his a** (under isntruction of Ignacio) all the way to Indonesia and got robbed over there.....
Bad management really.....
But no I disagree, PACs not duckig anyone.....
At least not now....

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After he won against morales they asked him about who was next and he totally changed the subject .

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You can't blame him his moving onto other things. After PAC beat Erik, JMM needed Pac more then Pac needed JMM.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

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Originally Posted by GOLDENBOY213

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Originally Posted by mike_tha_man

i think Pac Man will have a really tough time fighting against a sharp slick boxer like Guzman. and for the records a fight in which i think he lost, against JMM, JMM neutralized pretty much anything Pac Man had after the first few rounds and again with his boxing skills. if you decide to stay right in front of Pac Man and brawl, i don't care who you are you will get KTFO but if you box him the whole fight you could definitely win.

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Yes and lets not forget that JMM Marquez himself can be outboxed as well.

I really love Pacquiao, one of the most exciting fighters in the world but beating Morales didn't really prove a whole lot.

Raheem handed Morales his a** too.

I think Pacquaio's biggest win by far was his destruction of Barrera. He's definitely a p4p star but how good he truly is cannot be properly measured at this time.

He needs to beat a live opponent to confirm his greatness, Marquez, Barrera, Guzman or Soto to show he is truly the king of the division.

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Pacman is DUCKING! jmm.

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I don't think Pac is ducking JMM.....
The oppourtunity was there for JMM to fight him instead he flew his a** (under isntruction of Ignacio) all the way to Indonesia and got robbed over there.....
Bad management really.....
But no I disagree, PACs not duckig anyone.....
At least not now....

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After he won against morales they asked him about who was next and he totally changed the subject .

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You can't blame him his moving onto other things. After PAC beat Erik, JMM needed Pac more then Pac needed JMM.

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Hopefully after Jmm beats barrera jmm should fight pacman.

Its not how you beat a great fighter its when

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Originally Posted by boxman

I would not mind seeing a fight between him and Cassamayor. That would be a very intersting figth to say the least and I would have to give the edge to El Cepillo.

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Casamayor would destroy Pac

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by boxman

I would not mind seeing a fight between him and Cassamayor. That would be a very intersting figth to say the least and I would have to give the edge to El Cepillo.

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Casamayor would destroy Pac

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lmao wtf!!!! casamayor is garbage

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I would not mind seeing a fight between him and Cassamayor. That would be a very intersting figth to say the least and I would have to give the edge to El Cepillo.

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Casamayor would destroy Pac

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lmao wtf!!!! casamayor is garbage

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Than why don't Pac fight him? Casamayor is the Ring Magazine Lightweight champion. So there is a reason to fight him. But it won't happen. Pac avoided Casamayor in the past and he'll continue to do so. I give Pac credit. He ain't stupid. He knows he can't beat Casamayor. So why try?

pacman overrated???

no....the k.o win over em in three rounds is underrated, morales trained his heart out for that fight, he even admitted he did what ever he could to beat pac, and his experience with pacman fighting him twice already brought him to the conclusion that there is no other way of winning against pac but to knock him out too. if morales would of box pac would of gave him hell and eventually knock him out in the later rounds anyways, so em made the choice to wear the punchers gloves to hope and knock out the little devil pacman.

AND KEEP IN MIND PACMAN KNOCK OUT EM IN THREE ROUNDS WITH A FEVER.

as for guzman valero sotto or other fighters in his divison, they ain't ready for pacman, not even guzman, guzman hasn't fought anyone close to pacs level.

there is no one in pacs division that looks to be able to take away pacs hold on the featherweights.

only real fighter wanting pac is mab, but even him is only half sure of fighting pac.

winner of mab and jmm gets pacman and while pac awaits the winner he is gonna fight whoever bob arum puts in the ring with him, i hear its some undefeated young hungry fighter. should be a good fight.

if pac is overrated then everyone else is overrated. pac has paid his dues.

all his wins in america are knock outs. just base on his wins in america, how can you say his overrated???

a destruction of a master boxer ladwaba(former world champion)

a one punch knock out over a undefeated fighter then lucero

a total devastating knock out of julio(former world champion)

first fight in 126 totally dominated a legend mab(kings of divisions)

knock out a guy in 6rounds whom never been stop before valezques

knocking out another legend (twice) who has never even been down in a fight before morales. (another kings of divisions)

who has devestated former world champions the way pac has? since his arrival in the america he has totally brought terror, even the elite of elite got smash in the storm pacman brought.

you got to be a fool to say pac is overrated, what more can a fighter do then what pac has already done?

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Originally Posted by Scrap

Its not how you beat a great fighter its when

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actually its neither when or how you beat a great fighter, it is how that great fighter show respect to who has defeated him.

from what i remember both mab and em has paid respect to pacman.(that says it all, no fan can say a thing to take away credit where it is due, it is amougst the fighters that fought specially how a great fighter falls and rise only to pay respect to the fighter that defeated him)that alone proves pacs greatness, how two great fighter such as mab and em gives him respect.

and throughout both mab and ems career it has always been ask even 5 or 6 years ago if they had anything left.

way back even in the fight between mab and hamed, they we're already asking of mab how much he has left in the tank. it has always hunted mab and em's career about if they still got it, which is total bullshit because they just reach 30.

Pac is a refreshing blend of guts and power he is sometimes not pretty to watch but goes off the old rocky marciano logic of -
throw as many punches , as hard as i can , for as long as i can !!
and pac never ducks anyone so no pac is going down in history as a great for me >.

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Originally Posted by althetruthhindley

Pac is a refreshing blend of guts and power he is sometimes not pretty to watch but goes off the old rocky marciano logic of -
throw as many punches , as hard as i can , for as long as i can !!
and pac never ducks anyone so no pac is going down in history as a great for me >.

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+8 :coolclick:

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

I don't think Pac is ducking JMM.....
The oppourtunity was there for JMM to fight him instead he flew his a** (under isntruction of Ignacio) all the way to Indonesia and got robbed over there.....
Bad management really.....
But no I disagree, PACs not duckig anyone.....
At least not now....

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Amen! I'll drink to that. That's why Cutiemick is one of my favorite posters here, he sets aside his personal feelings for that good, old-fashioned thing called REASON - something many fans here lost. Like me, I'm a Pac-fan but I've always said one good shot from a guy like Valero can send him down the canvass. And I hate to admit but his career seems to be going nowhere these days and if continues like this, it could be the end... Mick, that was worth thousands CC's but well, you'll have to settle with one, but a biggest one I have given so far - CC #1085 is on me. ;)

Boxing God, I'm giving you a CC too for the sheer volume of work you put out here. Keep it up, pal, Pac needs it very badly, especially now. CC# 133 is one me. ;)

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

I don't think Pac is ducking JMM.....
The oppourtunity was there for JMM to fight him instead he flew his a** (under isntruction of Ignacio) all the way to Indonesia and got robbed over there.....
Bad management really.....
But no I disagree, PACs not duckig anyone.....
At least not now....

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Amen! I'll drink to that. That's why Cutiemick is one of my favorite posters here, he sets aside his personal feelings for that good, old-fashioned thing called REASON - something many fans here lost. Like me, I'm a Pac-fan but I've always said one good shot from a guy like Valero can send him down the canvass. And I hate to admit but his career seems to be going nowhere these days and if continues like this, it could be the end... Mick, that was worth thousands CC's but well, you'll have to settle with one, but a biggest one I have given so far - CC #1085 is on me. ;)

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CC#110
The same can be said about you.....
I mean it's just the way it is, all bullshit! aside....

GOLDENBOY213 here was just running his mouth as he normally does.... ::**

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Originally Posted by pacfan

Boxing God, I'm giving you a CC too for the sheer volume of work you put out here. Keep it up, pal, Pac needs it very badly, especially now. CC# 133 is one me. ;)

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haven't heard a thing from you for a while, good to hear from you heres +111 :coolclick: for you take care fRiend.

I can't believe what I've read on this thread so far. It must be that Floyd's fans are getting worried about their boy losing the top spot because there is absolutely no reason to question Pac willingness to fight anyone. Pac is not one of those guys like Floyd that comes from a boxing family and backgroung and was known before ever stepping in the ring.

He didn't win a gold medal and he didn't have a great promotional team early on in his career so for him to be as big as he is, he had to have done some great things. He was certainly not handed his status on a silver platter. This guy is a warrior and wether people accept him as #1 or not, he definitely deserves that honor as much as anyone.

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I can't believe what I've read on this thread so far. It must be that Floyd's fans are getting worried about their boy losing the top spot because there is absolutely no reason to question Pac willingness to fight anyone. Pac is not one of those guys like Floyd that comes from a boxing family and backgroung and was known before ever stepping in the ring.

He didn't win a gold medal and he didn't have a great promotional team early on in his career so for him to be as big as he is, he had to have done some great things. He was certainly not handed his status on a silver platter. This guy is a warrior and wether people accept him as #1 or not, he definitely deserves that honor as much as anyone.

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+102 :coolclick: brilliant just brilliant ;D

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Originally Posted by Bx730NY

I can't believe what I've read on this thread so far. It must be that Floyd's fans are getting worried about their boy losing the top spot because there is absolutely no reason to question Pac willingness to fight anyone. Pac is not one of those guys like Floyd that comes from a boxing family and backgroung and was known before ever stepping in the ring.

He didn't win a gold medal and he didn't have a great promotional team early on in his career so for him to be as big as he is, he had to have done some great things. He was certainly not handed his status on a silver platter. This guy is a warrior and wether people accept him as #1 or not, he definitely deserves that honor as much as anyone.

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Ring Magazine's "Fighter of the Year" is their subjective opinion and they give good reason why they chose Manny P. as their P4P fighter. Anyone is free to have his own P4P and we all must respect each other's opinion. The difference between us boxing fans and the people behind Ring Magazine is while we are weekend warriors and "would be" journalists/commentators, they do it for a living.

Pacman is high in my list and the argument presented by the magazine writers and editors is sound. Now if you were to ask my opinion, I do not think anyone for now deserves the P4P title. I am a big fan of Pacman, but I think he still has to beat Marquez, Guzman and Valero to claim that title and silence his critics. For Mayweather, he still has to pass through OLDH and Hopkins to prove by any reasonable doubt that he deserves the P4P title.

This thread alone proves my point. When one camp cannot out convince the other, then probably no one deserves it. However, as fighter of the year, I may have to agree with Ring Magazine. Two victories against EM, a knockout win vs. Oscar Larios (a former world champion) and the excitement factor may give him the edge versus others who may lay claim to the title.



+102 :coolclick: brilliant just brilliant ;D

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