Chavez would have killed Mayweather

I was watching some old Chavez footage and I gotta tell yall I had almost forgotten how tough that son of a bitch was. That guy had a rock for a head and his chin was out of this world. I am positive that his relentless style would have pounded Maywaether into defeat. I saw what Castillo did to Floyd. If JLC was able to do that to him just imagine what JCC would have done.

Have you seen him fight Whittaker?

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I was watching some old Chavez footage and I gotta tell yall I had almost forgotten how tough that son of a bitch was. That guy had a rock for a head and his chin was out of this world. I am positive that his relentless style would have pounded Maywaether into defeat. I saw what Castillo did to Floyd. If JLC was able to do that to him just imagine what JCC would have done.

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i disagree meldrick taylor was boxing chavez head off until he got stupid and brawled and whitaker gave chavez boxing lesson so how would chavez kill mayweather if he couldnt really land clean punch 8)

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I was watching some old Chavez footage and I gotta tell yall I had almost forgotten how tough that son of a bitch was. That guy had a rock for a head and his chin was out of this world. I am positive that his relentless style would have pounded Maywaether into defeat. I saw what Castillo did to Floyd. If JLC was able to do that to him just imagine what JCC would have done.

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i disagree meldrick taylor was boxing chavez head off until he got stupid and brawled and whitaker gave chavez boxing lesson so how would chavez kill mayweather if he couldnt really land clean punch 8)

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Yeh pretty much exactly what i thought..Lol..Chanez beats a fair few names out there nowadays in my opinion..But not the great boxers and especially not floyd...

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I was watching some old Chavez footage and I gotta tell yall I had almost forgotten how tough that son of a bitch was. That guy had a rock for a head and his chin was out of this world. I am positive that his relentless style would have pounded Maywaether into defeat. I saw what Castillo did to Floyd. If JLC was able to do that to him just imagine what JCC would have done.

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i disagree meldrick taylor was boxing chavez head off until he got stupid and brawled and whitaker gave chavez boxing lesson so how would chavez kill mayweather if he couldnt really land clean punch 8)

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Yeh pretty much exactly what i thought..Lol..Chanez beats a fair few names out there nowadays in my opinion..But not the great boxers and especially not floyd...

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Sounds to me like you are underestimating chavez

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I was watching some old Chavez footage and I gotta tell yall I had almost forgotten how tough that son of a bitch was. That guy had a rock for a head and his chin was out of this world. I am positive that his relentless style would have pounded Maywaether into defeat. I saw what Castillo did to Floyd. If JLC was able to do that to him just imagine what JCC would have done.

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i disagree meldrick taylor was boxing chavez head off until he got stupid and brawled and whitaker gave chavez boxing lesson so how would chavez kill mayweather if he couldnt really land clean punch 8)

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Yeh pretty much exactly what i thought..Lol..Chanez beats a fair few names out there nowadays in my opinion..But not the great boxers and especially not floyd...

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Sounds to me like you are underestimating chavez

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nothing to do with that its just when taylor and whitaker two great technical fights fought him they boxed his head off taylor was giving chavez clinic until he got stupid and brawled something mayweather would never do and whitaker outboxed chavez easily for 12 rounds and was robbed i think mayweather uses same gameplan as whitaker and wins decision

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I was watching some old Chavez footage and I gotta tell yall I had almost forgotten how tough that son of a bitch was. That guy had a rock for a head and his chin was out of this world. I am positive that his relentless style would have pounded Maywaether into defeat. I saw what Castillo did to Floyd. If JLC was able to do that to him just imagine what JCC would have done.

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i disagree meldrick taylor was boxing chavez head off until he got stupid and brawled and whitaker gave chavez boxing lesson so how would chavez kill mayweather if he couldnt really land clean punch 8)

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Came to type the exact same thing.

You know you're a great fighter when the only fight that people look to try to cut you down is one from 5 years ago.
If Floyd beat 8 men with both his arms tied behind his back, his detractors will still be saying, "Oh yeah? Did you see him against Castillo???"
Those who think JCC would win say, "Did you see PBF - Castillo?"
Those who think PBF would win say, "Did you see JCC - Taylor?"
But because of JCC's history of having troubles against quick slick guys like Taylor and Whitaker compared to Floyd's one close fight 5 years ago, I'm putting my money on Floyd. Except as in JCC- Taylor, I highly doubt Floyd would press for the knockout in the 12th and put himself in a precarious position to get KO'ed himself.

Enough of Floyd - Castillo I. It was a close fight 5 years ago. What could I say?

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I was watching some old Chavez footage and I gotta tell yall I had almost forgotten how tough that son of a bitch was. That guy had a rock for a head and his chin was out of this world. I am positive that his relentless style would have pounded Maywaether into defeat. I saw what Castillo did to Floyd. If JLC was able to do that to him just imagine what JCC would have done.

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i disagree meldrick taylor was boxing chavez head off until he got stupid and brawled and whitaker gave chavez boxing lesson so how would chavez kill mayweather if he couldnt really land clean punch 8)

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Came to type the exact same thing.

You know you're a great fighter when the only fight that people look to try to cut you down is one from 5 years ago.
If Floyd beat 8 men with both his arms tied behind his back, his detractors will still be saying, "Oh yeah? Did you see him against Castillo???"
Those who think JCC would win say, "Did you see PBF - Castillo?"
Those who think PBF would win say, "Did you see JCC - Taylor?"
But because of JCC's history of having troubles against quick slick guys like Taylor and Whitaker compared to Floyd's one close fight 5 years ago, I'm putting my money on Floyd. Except as in JCC- Taylor, I highly doubt Floyd would press for the knockout in the 12th and put himself in a precarious position to get KO'ed himself.

Enough of Floyd - Castillo I. It was a close fight 5 years ago. What could I say?

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cc back yea castillo imo should of won first fight but mayweather comeback and easily won 2nd fight and i agree totally with what you said above

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I was watching some old Chavez footage and I gotta tell yall I had almost forgotten how tough that son of a bitch was. That guy had a rock for a head and his chin was out of this world. I am positive that his relentless style would have pounded Maywaether into defeat. I saw what Castillo did to Floyd. If JLC was able to do that to him just imagine what JCC would have done.

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umm no. just no.

Seeing as Mayweather virtually skipped the 140lb division it's hard to judge that one.
If Mayweather had of fought Tszyu we might have a better guide, I think Mayweather by decision in a close one. The Whitaker fight sways me considerably in favour of Mayweather.

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I was watching some old Chavez footage and I gotta tell yall I had almost forgotten how tough that son of a bitch was. That guy had a rock for a head and his chin was out of this world. I am positive that his relentless style would have pounded Maywaether into defeat. I saw what Castillo did to Floyd. If JLC was able to do that to him just imagine what JCC would have done.

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i disagree meldrick taylor was boxing chavez head off until he got stupid and brawled and whitaker gave chavez boxing lesson so how would chavez kill mayweather if he couldnt really land clean punch 8)

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Yeh pretty much exactly what i thought..Lol..Chanez beats a fair few names out there nowadays in my opinion..But not the great boxers and especially not floyd...

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Actually one fight I would love to see if it was at all possible is Floyd Mayweather VS Pernell Whitaker.......

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I was watching some old Chavez footage and I gotta tell yall I had almost forgotten how tough that son of a bitch was. That guy had a rock for a head and his chin was out of this world. I am positive that his relentless style would have pounded Maywaether into defeat. I saw what Castillo did to Floyd. If JLC was able to do that to him just imagine what JCC would have done.

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i disagree meldrick taylor was boxing chavez head off until he got stupid and brawled and whitaker gave chavez boxing lesson so how would chavez kill mayweather if he couldnt really land clean punch 8)

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Yeh pretty much exactly what i thought..Lol..Chanez beats a fair few names out there nowadays in my opinion..But not the great boxers and especially not floyd...

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Actually one fight I would love to see if it was at all possible is Floyd Mayweather VS Pernell Whitaker.......

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Def a dream match up. I'd wonder how either one would do against Wilfred Benitez prime for prime also.

I don't really see the relevance of the Meldrick Taylor fight in building a case for Floyd to beat Chavez. Meldrick Taylor threw more punches in his fight with Chavez than Floyd usually does in three fights. Floyd would not be throwing perpetual motion shots to keep Chavez off him like Taylor was.

As to the Whitaker fight, again, I'm not sure how relevant it is. Both Floyd and Pea have good defense true, but they fight much differently. Whitaker throws more punches than Floyd, and he also works the body better than Floyd does. Whitaker's key to success against Chavez was being able to break Chavez down to the body before going back up to the head. Mayweather certainly didn't have any success in doing that to Castillo. When you consider Chavez is more skilled than Castillo, it spells bad news for Floyd imo.

yea its a tough 1 to call but i think sweet pea is better than mayweather anyway so maybe chavez
but my head says mayweather by ud

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I was watching some old Chavez footage and I gotta tell yall I had almost forgotten how tough that son of a bitch was. That guy had a rock for a head and his chin was out of this world. I am positive that his relentless style would have pounded Maywaether into defeat. I saw what Castillo did to Floyd. If JLC was able to do that to him just imagine what JCC would have done.

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i disagree meldrick taylor was boxing chavez head off until he got stupid and brawled and whitaker gave chavez boxing lesson so how would chavez kill mayweather if he couldnt really land clean punch 8)

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Yeh pretty much exactly what i thought..Lol..Chanez beats a fair few names out there nowadays in my opinion..But not the great boxers and especially not floyd...

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you hit the fighter(nail) on the head with this one....PBF would have schooled Chavez like he schooled Baldomir... Walking forward at PBF only gets your a** beat to a pulp....those styles are becoming prehistoric in boxing now......

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I was watching some old Chavez footage and I gotta tell yall I had almost forgotten how tough that son of a bitch was. That guy had a rock for a head and his chin was out of this world. I am positive that his relentless style would have pounded Maywaether into defeat. I saw what Castillo did to Floyd. If JLC was able to do that to him just imagine what JCC would have done.

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i disagree meldrick taylor was boxing chavez head off until he got stupid and brawled and whitaker gave chavez boxing lesson so how would chavez kill mayweather if he couldnt really land clean punch 8)

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Yeh pretty much exactly what i thought..Lol..Chanez beats a fair few names out there nowadays in my opinion..But not the great boxers and especially not floyd...

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Sounds to me like you are underestimating chavez

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Sounds to me like you've never seen Mayweather fight. J/K, but seriously you should know this match up spells trouble for JCC.

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I was watching some old Chavez footage and I gotta tell yall I had almost forgotten how tough that son of a bitch was. That guy had a rock for a head and his chin was out of this world. I am positive that his relentless style would have pounded Maywaether into defeat. I saw what Castillo did to Floyd. If JLC was able to do that to him just imagine what JCC would have done.

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i disagree meldrick taylor was boxing chavez head off until he got stupid and brawled and whitaker gave chavez boxing lesson so how would chavez kill mayweather if he couldnt really land clean punch 8)

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Bang on the money there Ice Cold :coolclick:

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I was watching some old Chavez footage and I gotta tell yall I had almost forgotten how tough that son of a bitch was. That guy had a rock for a head and his chin was out of this world. I am positive that his relentless style would have pounded Maywaether into defeat. I saw what Castillo did to Floyd. If JLC was able to do that to him just imagine what JCC would have done.

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i disagree meldrick taylor was boxing chavez head off until he got stupid and brawled and whitaker gave chavez boxing lesson so how would chavez kill mayweather if he couldnt really land clean punch 8)

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Bang on the money there Ice Cold :coolclick:

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thanks mate cc back

Man i ahte when people use words like 'killed' when talking about a possible fight:/

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Man i ahte when people use words like 'killed' when talking about a possible fight:/

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The original poster does suck a little.

Chavez was unbeatable during his prime. All his losses came when he was past his prime, that is, after 30 years of age. If Mayweather got hard time with Castillo, what would have happened with prime Chavez? Common sense, folks, common sense - your guess is good as mine. But of course I'm not talking about the fanatics (btw, I'm one too ;D), cuz they're beyond reason, and nothing particularly unusual about that, though. ;)

While Mayweather's style would cause EVERYONE to have trouble with him there are some people that would give HIM trouble!

Chavez
Duran
Mosely
De la Hoya
Camacho
Pep
Sanchez
Ray Leonard
Benny Leonard
Tommy Hearns
Trinidad
Wright
Benitez

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Chavez was unbeatable during his prime. All his losses came when he was past his prime, that is, after 30 years of age. If Mayweather got hard time with Castillo, what would have happened with prime Chavez? Common sense, folks, common sense - your guess is good as mine. But of course I'm not talking about the fanatics (btw, I'm one too ;D), cuz they're beyond reason, and nothing particularly unusual about that, though. ;)

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well chavez was 28 when he was getting schooled vs meldrick taylor for first 11 rounds

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While Mayweather's style would cause EVERYONE to have trouble with him there are some people that would give HIM trouble!

Chavez
Duran
Mosely
De la Hoya
Camacho
Pep
Sanchez
Ray Leonard
Benny Leonard
Tommy Hearns
Trinidad
Wright
Benitez

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Well, most of these are all-time greats, and would give anyone trouble. Whitaker is a pretty big omission from your list. Especially considering that he may the closest comparison to Floyd other than Willie Pep.

Of those you listed, I actually think Hearns is the prototype for the type of fighter who could give Floyd trouble. Tall, long fighter with one punch KO power. Guys who need high volume to KO guys (Chavez for example) can't beat a fighter like Floyd because you can't hit him time after time.
Hearns could use his size to constantly keep Floyd within range, and potentially catch him with a straight right.
Trinidad also had one punch KO power, but his left hook wouldn't get to the target nearly as fast as Hearns' right hand.

Whittaker and Henry Armstrong as well would have given Floyd a VERY tough time.

Very true Sweet Pea....but I do believe the guys who had such high work rates could get to Floyd, especially those who can take a punch OR have the defense to avoid a lot of punches would upset PBF's style.

Remember Mayweather-Castillo....a brawler with a high workrate and a good chin really pressed Floyd and compared to Chavez, Castillo is a BUM

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Seeing as Mayweather virtually skipped the 140lb division it's hard to judge that one.
If Mayweather had of fought Tszyu we might have a better guide, I think Mayweather by decision in a close one. The Whitaker fight sways me considerably in favour of Mayweather.

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how would PBF fighting Kostya be a better guide to if PBF could beat chavez

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Remember Mayweather-Castillo....a brawler with a high workrate and a good chin really pressed Floyd and compared to Chavez, Castillo is a BUM

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Yes Castillo gave him a tough fight. But one thing bothers me about bringing up Castillo. People here ALWAYS bring up Castillo when trying to build a case that some fighter can beat the 2007 version of Floyd, but that ignores the fact that Floyd is a very different fighter in 2007 than he was in 2002. His offensive game is much more well-rounded now than it was then, and his defense has continued to get better.
The Castillo fight loses more and more relevance with each passing year.

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Whittaker and Henry Armstrong as well would have given Floyd a VERY tough time.

Very true Sweet Pea....but I do believe the guys who had such high work rates could get to Floyd, especially those who can take a punch OR have the defense to avoid a lot of punches would upset PBF's style.

Remember Mayweather-Castillo....a brawler with a high workrate and a good chin really pressed Floyd and compared to Chavez, Castillo is a BUM

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yea he gave mayweather trouble in first fight but mayweather comfortably won rematch so there is no point bringing up castillo arguement

The point in bringing up Floyd's offense is that he lacks pop at 147....not to mention vs De la Hoya at 154!!!


Yes the REMATCH...Floyd was on his way to being Zab Judah in the first fight, he let the intangibles get to him and it seriously affected him. Remember this old dandy....

"...am I bleeding? Am I bleeding???"

That right there shows you how affected Floyd can be when he doesn't have the chance to dance around and pot shot his opponent. When was the last time the aforementioned greats asked if they were bleeding or much less let it bother them???

Castillo is brought up because he gave Floyd the toughest fight of his career and in the grand scheme of things Jose Luis Castillo is just a GOOD fighter.....he's not great....he's not spectacular.....he's not flashy.....he doesn't have the best speed, power, or chin......he just fought hard and it did very well vs Floyd and those greats fought EVERY fight like that!

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Chavez was unbeatable during his prime. All his losses came when he was past his prime, that is, after 30 years of age. If Mayweather got hard time with Castillo, what would have happened with prime Chavez? Common sense, folks, common sense - your guess is good as mine. But of course I'm not talking about the fanatics (btw, I'm one too ;D), cuz they're beyond reason, and nothing particularly unusual about that, though. ;)

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well chavez was 28 when he was getting schooled vs meldrick taylor for first 11 rounds

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You might have a point there, son. Boxing ol' timers like me have to depend on his memory and they do fail sometimes... I'm not much concerned about Mayweathers skill, but I'm much concerned with his shaky chin. How would he fare against big punchers like Chavez... CC for you, kid...

All right, fellas, I'll give any of you CC's even if you disagree with me - AS LONG AS YOU TALK SENSE.

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Castillo is brought up because he gave Floyd the toughest fight of his career and in the grand scheme of things Jose Luis Castillo is just a GOOD fighter.....he's not great....he's not spectacular.....he's not flashy.....he doesn't have the best speed, power, or chin......he just fought hard and it did very well vs Floyd and those greats fought EVERY fight like that!

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But this doesn't really answer the question of why does a fight from 2002 have anything to do with the prime Floyd Mayweather of 2007?

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Chavez was unbeatable during his prime. All his losses came when he was past his prime, that is, after 30 years of age. If Mayweather got hard time with Castillo, what would have happened with prime Chavez? Common sense, folks, common sense - your guess is good as mine. But of course I'm not talking about the fanatics (btw, I'm one too ;D), cuz they're beyond reason, and nothing particularly unusual about that, though. ;)

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well chavez was 28 when he was getting schooled vs meldrick taylor for first 11 rounds

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You might have a point there, son. Boxing ol' timers like me have to depend on his memory and they do fail sometimes... I'm not much concerned about Mayweathers skill, but I'm much concerned with his shaky chin. How would he fare against big punchers like Chavez... CC for you, kid...

All right, fellas, I'll give any of you CC's even if you disagree with me - AS LONG AS YOU TALK SENSE.

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cc back bro

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Seeing as Mayweather virtually skipped the 140lb division it's hard to judge that one.
If Mayweather had of fought Tszyu we might have a better guide, I think Mayweather by decision in a close one. The Whitaker fight sways me considerably in favour of Mayweather.

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how would PBF fighting Kostya be a better guide to if PBF could beat chavez

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Chavez was at his best at 140lb, who did Mayweather fight at 140 that was any good?
Of course fighting Tszyu would have been a better guide as he hit harder than any 140 ponder ever.
Could have seen the Chicken dance part 2 if that fight had of happened in 2002.

lets not forget that the first castillo fight was PBFs first fight at 135

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But this doesn't really answer the question of why does a fight from 2002 have anything to do with the prime Floyd Mayweather of 2007?

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It showed what bothered Floyd....I am 100% sure it still does, he hasn't fought anyone since then that fights like JLC.

Yes it was his first fight at 135 BUT it's Jose Luis Castillo....it's not like he fought someone GREAT.


It was a tough fight and one of the only risks that Floyd has taken in his career

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I was watching some old Chavez footage and I gotta tell yall I had almost forgotten how tough that son of a bitch was. That guy had a rock for a head and his chin was out of this world. I am positive that his relentless style would have pounded Maywaether into defeat. I saw what Castillo did to Floyd. If JLC was able to do that to him just imagine what JCC would have done.

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i disagree meldrick taylor was boxing chavez head off until he got stupid and brawled and whitaker gave chavez boxing lesson so how would chavez kill mayweather if he couldnt really land clean punch 8)

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Yeh pretty much exactly what i thought..Lol..Chanez beats a fair few names out there nowadays in my opinion..But not the great boxers and especially not floyd...

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Sounds to me like you are underestimating chavez

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nothing to do with that its just when taylor and whitaker two great technical fights fought him they boxed his head off taylor was giving chavez clinic until he got stupid and brawled something mayweather would never do and whitaker outboxed chavez easily for 12 rounds and was robbed i think mayweather uses same gameplan as whitaker and wins decision

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Yeah spot on....Taylor, SRL, SRR, Whittaker, ODLH, Mayweather all had the kinda style to win a decision comfortably over JCC, thats if they stuck to there gameplan.

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I was watching some old Chavez footage and I gotta tell yall I had almost forgotten how tough that son of a bitch was. That guy had a rock for a head and his chin was out of this world. I am positive that his relentless style would have pounded Maywaether into defeat. I saw what Castillo did to Floyd. If JLC was able to do that to him just imagine what JCC would have done.

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i disagree meldrick taylor was boxing chavez head off until he got stupid and brawled and whitaker gave chavez boxing lesson so how would chavez kill mayweather if he couldnt really land clean punch 8)

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Yeh pretty much exactly what i thought..Lol..Chanez beats a fair few names out there nowadays in my opinion..But not the great boxers and especially not floyd...

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Actually one fight I would love to see if it was at all possible is Floyd Mayweather VS Pernell Whitaker.......

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You're about to see a 170 pound version of that- Wright/Hopkins.

IMO it would be a 40/60 fight in Mayweathers favor.But the truth is nobody could say for certian what would happen.


Thats why we all love boxing.