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Peter should take the step aside offer.
I really don't understand why Peter doesn't take the step aside offer. He's not gonna make 2.5 million for fighting Masakev and they are guaranteeing him a shot at the winner with a minimum of 3 Million for a fight with the winner of Klitschko/Masakev. He basically getting a guaranteed 6 Million dollars to sit around for his title shot. If he presses this issue and sues the WBC, Klitschko, and Masakev, the WBC will definitely not allow him to fight for a belt and he will be in court instead of boxing. Suing an alphabet is not good, and technically in the WBC rules, Vitali should get to get his shot. It's fucked up but it's in the rules so a court battle could take forever. I'm sure Peter is thinking that if he beats Masakev then he'll get the lionshare for a mega match with Vitali which could be a lot more than 6 million dollars, but he won't make any money if he's in court.
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Re: Peter should take the step aside offer.
I suppose the only reason that Peter is not taking the step aside money is that he reckons he's got some momentum going, and that he doesn't want to lose that. However, if he knocks one or two guys out while Vitali and Maskaev fight, I reckon he'll still be on a roll and might even be more confident.
Also, it might be spurred by that little voice in the back of his head saying that the best chance he ever has of becoming champ is to fight against Maskaev. Perhaps it aint all about the money.
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Re: Peter should take the step aside offer.
This is the latest statement from Peter's team.
http://www.boxingtalk.com/pag/article11298.html
I've got a feeling he will win any legal argument. He may not get the fight but he will get more cash.
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Re: Peter should take the step aside offer.
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
I suppose the only reason that Peter is not taking the step aside money is that he reckons he's got some momentum going, and that he doesn't want to lose that. However, if he knocks one or two guys out while Vitali and Maskaev fight, I reckon he'll still be on a roll and might even be more confident.
Also, it might be spurred by that little voice in the back of his head saying that the best chance he ever has of becoming champ is to fight against Maskaev. Perhaps it aint all about the money.
yeah...he has a shot against Maskaev....that shot disappears when it comes to Vitali....take the money....fight the fight.....
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Re: Peter should take the step aside offer.
Peter has the moral highground and respect to him. Boxing seldom has a moral highground.
Peter should beat Maskaev and then knock out Vitali. He has the tools.
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Re: Peter should take the step aside offer.
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Originally Posted by miles
Peter has the moral highground and respect to him. Boxing seldom has a moral highground.
Peter should beat Maskaev and then knock out Vitali. He has the tools.
I agree with you that Peter has the tools, but I think he may have bought into the hype around Vitali that he is the best since Lennox Lewis, and that he is a little scared of him. Otherwise I think he'd take the money.
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Re: Peter should take the step aside offer.
The thing is that Peter will have to fight Vitali at some point, so the only reason that he's not taking this money now is because he wants to be champ instead of challenger going into negotiations with Vitali because he would get a bigger cut of the pie as champ. But seriously, right now, he's basically turning down a guaranteed 6 Million dollars and a title shot. Does he think he's getting Lennox money for a Vitali fight? Please Peter just take the offer and fight Vitali later. Look at what happened to Travis Simms, he sued the WBA for some reason and they removed him as champion and he's barely getting back to where he was after two years (even though some of it was caused by injury). I'd hate for Peter to get put on the shelf for that long.
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Re: Peter should take the step aside offer.
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
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Originally Posted by miles
Peter has the moral highground and respect to him. Boxing seldom has a moral highground.
Peter should beat Maskaev and then knock out Vitali. He has the tools.
I agree with you that Peter has the tools, but I think he may have bought into the hype around Vitali that he is the best since Lennox Lewis, and that he is a little scared of him. Otherwise I think he'd take the money.
We dont know the details but morally Peter is standing his ground as he should. Vitali is 35 and creaking at the joints, I dont think Sam Peter really fears him. Peter is getting better and better. Vitali wants to win the belt and creep away. This is my suspicion and that is why Peter wont let it stand.
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Re: Peter should take the step aside offer.
35 is not old for a HW...a featherweight yes ....but HW no......so I don't know how much creaking Vitali is doing....
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Re: Peter should take the step aside offer.
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Originally Posted by THE Bigragu
35 is not old for a HW...a featherweight yes ....but HW no......so I don't know how much creaking Vitali is doing....
But we are talking a long layoff after a number of long delays against Rahman.
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Re: Peter should take the step aside offer.
I dont think there is any reason for Peter to take step aside money. The only way you are remembered in boxing is to have won a belt. Nobody remembers anything else, and the belt wont even guarentee that you will be remembered. But without one you can forget it. Peter's best chance is Maskaev, his chances diminish extremely against VKlit.
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Originally Posted by THE Bigragu
35 is not old for a HW...a featherweight yes ....but HW no......so I don't know how much creaking Vitali is doing....
VKlit is an old 35 thou, he spent several years in kickboxing before boxing. I would think that kickboxing would be harder on the overall body than boxing.
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Re: Peter should take the step aside offer.
I think Vitali is the one who should be scared of Peter. And this is why he wants to fight Maskaev. Against Maskaev he can win.
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Re: Peter should take the step aside offer.
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Originally Posted by miles
I think Vitali is the one who should be scared of Peter. And this is why he wants to fight Maskaev. Against Maskaev he can win.
I get the mental image of the trainer from Rocky films standing over Klitchko's shoulder as they watch a video of Peter, saying "No way. You're not going in against that guy. There is no way you can win."
Cue training montage. Oh I wish I had my own training montage :p.
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Re: Peter should take the step aside offer.
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
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Originally Posted by miles
I think Vitali is the one who should be scared of Peter. And this is why he wants to fight Maskaev. Against Maskaev he can win.
I get the mental image of the trainer from Rocky films standing over Klitchko's shoulder as they watch a video of Peter, saying "No way. You're not going in against that guy. There is no way you can win."
Cue training montage. Oh I wish I had my own training montage :p.
I disagree completely. Peter has come on tremendously and is at the stage now where his skills can actually play alongside his punching power...Vitali would have a much harder time than against Maskaev. Its common sense to make these conclusions...
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Re: Peter should take the step aside offer.
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Originally Posted by miles
Peter has the moral highground and respect to him. Boxing seldom has a moral highground.
Peter should beat Maskaev and then knock out Vitali. He has the tools.
then why would Team Duva/King counter offer?
Moral highground means Not taking the offer no matter what...then why counter offer and ask for more?
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Re: Peter should take the step aside offer.
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Originally Posted by Big_Deuce
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Originally Posted by miles
Peter has the moral highground and respect to him. Boxing seldom has a moral highground.
Peter should beat Maskaev and then knock out Vitali. He has the tools.
then why would Team Duva/King counter offer?
Moral highground means Not taking the offer no matter what...then why counter offer and ask for more?
Just to interupt you, do you really think Vitali is ready for the long haul. Winning the belt and then defending it come what may? I distinctly recall Rahman didnt get his shot.
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Re: Peter should take the step aside offer.
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by Big_Deuce
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Originally Posted by miles
Peter has the moral highground and respect to him. Boxing seldom has a moral highground.
Peter should beat Maskaev and then knock out Vitali. He has the tools.
then why would Team Duva/King counter offer?
Moral highground means Not taking the offer no matter what...then why counter offer and ask for more?
Just to interupt you, do you really think Vitali is ready for the long haul. Winning the belt and then defending it come what may? I distinctly recall Rahman didnt get his shot.
To be honest though that was probably to Rahman's benefit.
If Maskaev could knock Hasim out of the ring, Vitali would have knocked him clean out of the arena
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Re: Peter should take the step aside offer.
I think Peter should take it as well. The belt doesn't mean much. People don't remember you just for a belt, and even if they did who cares. How many broke boxers that at one time held a belt? Leon Spinks is a janitor, anybody paying his bills cause he held a belt?
Take the money, stay in the gym, and win the title from the winner of the fight. Realistically a career isn't about belts. There's 4 of them right now, and there will be plenty of opportunities for a belt if Peter doesn't retire.
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Re: Peter should take the step aside offer.
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Originally Posted by bilbo
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by Big_Deuce
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Originally Posted by miles
Peter has the moral highground and respect to him. Boxing seldom has a moral highground.
Peter should beat Maskaev and then knock out Vitali. He has the tools.
then why would Team Duva/King counter offer?
Moral highground means Not taking the offer no matter what...then why counter offer and ask for more?
Just to interupt you, do you really think Vitali is ready for the long haul. Winning the belt and then defending it come what may? I distinctly recall Rahman didnt get his shot.
To be honest though that was probably to Rahman's benefit.
If Maskaev could knock Hasim out of the ring, Vitali would have knocked him clean out of the arena
A different situation and a different time
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Re: Peter should take the step aside offer.
....Vitali should fight Rahman....if he doesn't get the title shot.
A) Rahman was very respectful of Vitali and deserves a fight vs Vitali
B) It's a good warm up fight given Rahman's inability to beat James Toney and Oleg Maskaev
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Re: Peter should take the step aside offer.
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Originally Posted by albsur2006
I really don't understand why Peter doesn't take the step aside offer. He's not gonna make 2.5 million for fighting Masakev and they are guaranteeing him a shot at the winner with a minimum of 3 Million for a fight with the winner of Klitschko/Masakev. He basically getting a guaranteed 6 Million dollars to sit around for his title shot. If he presses this issue and sues the WBC, Klitschko, and Masakev, the WBC will definitely not allow him to fight for a belt and he will be in court instead of boxing. Suing an alphabet is not good, and technically in the WBC rules, Vitali should get to get his shot. It's fucked up but it's in the rules so a court battle could take forever. I'm sure Peter is thinking that if he beats Masakev then he'll get the lionshare for a mega match with Vitali which could be a lot more than 6 million dollars, but he won't make any money if he's in court.
In boxing NOTHING! is guaranteed. ;)
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Re: Peter should take the step aside offer.
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Originally Posted by albsur2006
I really don't understand why Peter doesn't take the step aside offer. He's not gonna make 2.5 million for fighting Masakev and they are guaranteeing him a shot at the winner with a minimum of 3 Million for a fight with the winner of Klitschko/Masakev. He basically getting a guaranteed 6 Million dollars to sit around for his title shot. If he presses this issue and sues the WBC, Klitschko, and Masakev, the WBC will definitely not allow him to fight for a belt and he will be in court instead of boxing. Suing an alphabet is not good, and technically in the WBC rules, Vitali should get to get his shot. It's fucked up but it's in the rules so a court battle could take forever. I'm sure Peter is thinking that if he beats Masakev then he'll get the lionshare for a mega match with Vitali which could be a lot more than 6 million dollars, but he won't make any money if he's in court.
Peter giving up that position as legitimate challenger, takes him out of the championship spot vs. Klitchko , and I would predict Peter would have little problem beating Maskeav . meaning he would be the Champion going into the Vitali Klitchko fight, that’s if Vitali would still be interested in coming out of retirement if Peter wins ! .. anyway Sam being champion gives him more leverage on the purse split going into that Klitchko fight.. 70 % champion - 30% challenger on average. that’s a huge difference in profits when you consider the amount of revenue a big fight like that would produce.. and we aint talking no measly 2.5 million dollar step aside money as compensation for the lucrative defending Champion status .. my advise is "Don't take the money Peter.". fuck Klitchko and company ! Peter paid a total of $100,000 in sanctioning fees already , which the WBC has gladly pocketed to earn the right to fight for the WBC title. Sam would be foolish to step aside. O0
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Re: Peter should take the step aside offer.
Who could Peter fight besides a Klitschko that would draw a multi million dollar fight?
I don't think he would make 2 mil for Maskaev. Maskaev and Klitschko is a big draw over in the russia. That is where the 2.5 step aside money is gonna come from. Then he's nearly sure to fight Vitale for another $3mill?
Seriously. I thought Peter should get the shot before Vitale, but being handed $2.5mil to wait a few months is a great deal for him. He's getting a return on all his sanctioning fees and still gonna fight for the title next. Take the money Peter.... The title means little. The money feeds your family for the rest of your life, and you get it win lose or draw.
Seriously who else could Peter fight and make essiently $5mil for one fight? He gets $2.5 to sit and wait then $3 for the winner? There's no other big fights except Wlad, and that ain't happening for awhile. Especially if he oversteps Vitale and doesn't let them become champs at the same time.... You know Wlad would make Peter wait forever for the rematch.
On principle I think Peter deserves the shot, but in reality I think he should take the money. Really it's better for him overall.
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Re: Peter should take the step aside offer.
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Originally Posted by miles
I think Vitali is the one who should be scared of Peter. And this is why he wants to fight Maskaev. Against Maskaev he can win.
CC...I feel the same way.
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Re: Peter should take the step aside offer.
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
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Originally Posted by miles
I think Vitali is the one who should be scared of Peter. And this is why he wants to fight Maskaev. Against Maskaev he can win.
CC...I feel the same way.
With the year of ring rust Maskaev would be the easier fight.
