Joe C is ripe for the picking.

I want to preface this by saying a couple of things...

1) I don't think Manfredo is that good.
2) Even so, if he hadn't been horribly mismanaged and trained by his father his whole career, he'd probably be holding a belt at 160 0r 168 right now.
3) I never thought Lacy was a world beater.
4) Joe C is a protected Euro champ, and no one was more surprised than him by his performance against Lacy.
5) Any retard can look at Manfredo's frame and know that he should probably have been fighting at 168 since he was about 22-23 years old. He's like Omar Shieka on steroids.
6) I put no stock in his victory over Shotberton, and not much stock in his victory over Spina.

All that said, I think Manfredo will last the 12 rounds, and in doing so expose Joe C. Manfredo is a tough, hard headed SOB, who's never been so much as knocked down in 29 professional, or 100+ amatuer fights. I'm not saying that Manfredo will win, but I really don't see him getting KTFO. Calzaghe doesn't hit that hard, and I know there's a lot to be said for punches in bunches, but Roach tightened up Manfredo's D quite a bit. Also, Calzaghe has admitted he's having a hard time getting up for this fight. He's also dissed Manfredo quite a bit. Bad idea. When Spina ran off at the mouth, Manfredo was climbing over the ref to get at him after the stoppage. Also, you can't forget the ceramic hand factor.

Here's how I like Manfredo's chances of victory against Joe C.

The Joe C that showed up for Lacy- 5%
-I'd say zero, buit Manfredo hits pretty hard at 168, and in boxing, anything can happen.

Average Joe C- 33%
-The guy just isn't that good. And he's been dropped by guys who don't hit as hard as Manfredo.

The Joe C that showed up for Bika- 66%
-Manfredo is a hell of a lot better than Bika.

So answer me this, if Manfredo survives the 12, or does the unthinkable and wins, will everyone say Joe C got exposed, or will people say Manfredo is better than everybody thought?

I think Manffredo will do a lot better tjan people think, mainly coz I just can't see Calzaghe being focussed and motivated.

Calzaghe used to hit extremely hard with the left hand, it was what he was known for in the amateurs and before the hand problems in '99.

But he's very weak at the weight these days.

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Originally Posted by Brockton Bomber

I want to preface this by saying a couple of things...

1) I don't think Manfredo is that good.
2) Even so, if he hadn't been horribly mismanaged and trained by his father his whole career, he'd probably be holding a belt at 160 0r 168 right now.
3) I never thought Lacy was a world beater.
4) Joe C is a protected Euro champ, and no one was more surprised than him by his performance against Lacy.
5) Any retard can look at Manfredo's frame and know that he should probably have been fighting at 168 since he was about 22-23 years old. He's like Omar Shieka on steroids.
6) I put no stock in his victory over Shotberton, and not much stock in his victory over Spina.

All that said, I think Manfredo will last the 12 rounds, and in doing so expose Joe C. Manfredo is a tough, hard headed SOB, who's never been so much as knocked down in 29 professional, or 100+ amatuer fights. I'm not saying that Manfredo will win, but I really don't see him getting KTFO. Calzaghe doesn't hit that hard, and I know there's a lot to be said for punches in bunches, but Roach tightened up Manfredo's D quite a bit. Also, Calzaghe has admitted he's having a hard time getting up for this fight. He's also dissed Manfredo quite a bit. Bad idea. When Spina ran off at the mouth, Manfredo was climbing over the ref to get at him after the stoppage. Also, you can't forget the ceramic hand factor.

Here's how I like Manfredo's chances of victory against Joe C.

The Joe C that showed up for Lacy- 5%
-I'd say zero, buit Manfredo hits pretty hard at 168, and in boxing, anything can happen.

Average Joe C- 33%
-The guy just isn't that good. And he's been dropped by guys who don't hit as hard as Manfredo.

The Joe C that showed up for Bika- 66%
-Manfredo is a hell of a lot better than Bika.

So answer me this, if Manfredo survives the 12, or does the unthinkable and wins, will everyone say Joe C got exposed, or will people say Manfredo is better than everybody thought?

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You say he is ripe for picking but there is not a fighter at middle Smiddle or light heavyweight that would be a big favorate over him(if a favorte at all).

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I want to preface this by saying a couple of things...

1) I don't think Manfredo is that good.
2) Even so, if he hadn't been horribly mismanaged and trained by his father his whole career, he'd probably be holding a belt at 160 0r 168 right now.
3) I never thought Lacy was a world beater.
4) Joe C is a protected Euro champ, and no one was more surprised than him by his performance against Lacy.
5) Any retard can look at Manfredo's frame and know that he should probably have been fighting at 168 since he was about 22-23 years old. He's like Omar Shieka on steroids.
6) I put no stock in his victory over Shotberton, and not much stock in his victory over Spina.

All that said, I think Manfredo will last the 12 rounds, and in doing so expose Joe C. Manfredo is a tough, hard headed SOB, who's never been so much as knocked down in 29 professional, or 100+ amatuer fights. I'm not saying that Manfredo will win, but I really don't see him getting KTFO. Calzaghe doesn't hit that hard, and I know there's a lot to be said for punches in bunches, but Roach tightened up Manfredo's D quite a bit. Also, Calzaghe has admitted he's having a hard time getting up for this fight. He's also dissed Manfredo quite a bit. Bad idea. When Spina ran off at the mouth, Manfredo was climbing over the ref to get at him after the stoppage. Also, you can't forget the ceramic hand factor.

Here's how I like Manfredo's chances of victory against Joe C.

The Joe C that showed up for Lacy- 5%
-I'd say zero, buit Manfredo hits pretty hard at 168, and in boxing, anything can happen.

Average Joe C- 33%
-The guy just isn't that good. And he's been dropped by guys who don't hit as hard as Manfredo.

The Joe C that showed up for Bika- 66%
-Manfredo is a hell of a lot better than Bika.

So answer me this, if Manfredo survives the 12, or does the unthinkable and wins, will everyone say Joe C got exposed, or will people say Manfredo is better than everybody thought?

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You say he is ripe for picking but there is not a fighter at middle Smiddle or light heavyweight that would be a big favorate over him(if a favorte at all).

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The same could be said for Lacy prior to Calzaghe getting to him.

Well, almost always in boxing there is a changing of the guard - althought i would bet any thing on it that it wont be manfredo - with calzages age and brittle hands he could be beat.

Brockton that was a real good assessment you made in the first post and I agree with every point. I'd really like to see manfredo pull a big upset here, and I'm not a Manfredo fan by any means.

However, no matter what Calzaghe shows up I think manfredo will be outmatched. I wouldnt be suprised if Manfredo legitimately takes 3-4 rounds, but also wouldnt be suprised if he doesn't get credited for it. People in England (except for bilbo ;) )must think Calzaghe craps golden nuggets of euphoria. If a top fighter in the US took on the level of opposition Calzaghe has taken people would be bashing him non stop and FORCE him to take on better opposition.


As for your question, If Manfredo pulled a miracle (which he's have to do by KO no way in hell if see him getting a decision in Wales) I think people would say not only was Calzaghe exposed, but he was exposed big time. People would give Manfredo credit for being better than they thought, but I don't know anyone who would consider manfredo to be a world beater.

I can see it going both ways. Manfredo would get some credit for the victory but then others will just say that it was Joe C. that got exposed because Manfredo wasnt that good anyways. IF Manfredo wins we will see a mixture of both.

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Brockton that was a real good assessment you made in the first post and I agree with every point. I'd really like to see manfredo pull a big upset here, and I'm not a Manfredo fan by any means.

However, no matter what Calzaghe shows up I think manfredo will be outmatched. I wouldnt be suprised if Manfredo legitimately takes 3-4 rounds, but also wouldnt be suprised if he doesn't get credited for it. People in England (except for bilbo ;) )must think Calzaghe craps golden nuggets of euphoria. If a top fighter in the US took on the level of opposition Calzaghe has taken people would be bashing him non stop and FORCE him to take on better opposition.


As for your question, If Manfredo pulled a miracle (which he's have to do by KO no way in hell if see him getting a decision in Wales) I think people would say not only was Calzaghe exposed, but he was exposed big time. People would give Manfredo credit for being better than they thought, but I don't know anyone who would consider manfredo to be a world beater.

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why would the people in england think that about calzaghe? he is welsh...

If calzaghe had priced him self out of a fight with hopkins the way hopkins did to calzaghe, joe would be getting even more stick than he does now;)

Or if he had made his name by beating to guy who were great at WW lol he would get shit

Manfrado aint that bad ! This I say , lots of people hating on the bloke, but the guy has heart, and has improved immensely over the last few years ! Joe C is a great champion , and would not be overlooking this guy Manfrado.. trust me when you in your mid 30's you don't overlook anyone ! LMFAO ! O0

One thing that I think will go in Manfredo's favour is that I've never seen the guy cut or even marked up.

Calzaghe is somewhat fragile and Manfredo does have a tendancy to come in with his head.

He split Mora's face open and sent Joey Gilbert to hospital in an ambulance with his headbutts.

With Calzaghe being a southpaw headbutts are even more likely in this one and I wouldn't be at all suprised if Calzaghe gets cut badly in the early to middle rounds.

This one could be a lot harder for Joe than some think.

Personally I'm all rooting for Manfredo as Team Calzaghe have picked him thinking he's a patsy and that they can use as a whipping boy to impress the Yanks.

I'd love to see the whoopee become the whooper in this fight and give the cocky Calzaghe a spanking. :P

I agree. But what does cockney mean?

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I agree. But what does cockney mean?

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Well cockney means a Londoner but I said cocky.

Cocky means arrogant, puffed up with pride, boastful etc. ;)

Ill say right now, Manfredo has no chance. He's been hurt, before against Sergio Mora for gods sake. Any weakness we haven't seen in Manfredo yet is simply due to his NEVER HAVING FOUGHT ANYBODY. To go from fighting on a TV show at 154, to beating Pemberton and Spina at 168, who were both beyond awful, proves nothing. Calzaghe is going to drown this kid from the opening bell, no matter how much he has improved, he himself has no idea how he can perform against Joe. He's never fought outside the US, Id be very surprised if Calzaghe even has to put forth a good performance to TKO this guy, I expect Manfredo to basically choke up and beat himself before he even gets in the ring what with the crowd all booing him.

i think joe is gonna thrash him. manfredo is an ok fighter but joe has beaten fighters better than manfredo and knows he still needs to make a splash in the states which is enough motivation for him.

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I think Manffredo will do a lot better tjan people think, mainly coz I just can't see Calzaghe being focussed and motivated.

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Gotta agree with you on that...IMO Joe is one of those guys who get wrapped up in his own press....The Lacey fight made his head swell........He believes he is the greatest Super Middleweight of all time

Iam going for a late stoppage or a wide ud for Calzaghe.Manfredo is gonna have a hard time with Calzaghe hand speed.

Calzaghe will stop Manfredo around about the middle of this bout. Little about Manfredo suggests he will be able to pull up any surprises, and Calzaghe wont be wanting another repeat of the lacklustre Bika performance...

Calzaghe by KO/TKO

You guys are underestimating the headbutts.

Calzaghe gets cut nasty in this fight. I've looked into the future and seen it with my own eyes 8)

The only way JC is going to lose to anyone is if he is not motivated enough because style wise,he beats the shat out of JT,Hopkins and even Winky for me. You can be as critical of his opposition as you like but as a boxer,based purely on skills,he is awesome. And I don't think he loses this fight,he knows there's a big fight waiting for him after this fight,he'll be focussed.

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I want to preface this by saying a couple of things...

1) I don't think Manfredo is that good.
2) Even so, if he hadn't been horribly mismanaged and trained by his father his whole career, he'd probably be holding a belt at 160 0r 168 right now.
3) I never thought Lacy was a world beater.
4) Joe C is a protected Euro champ, and no one was more surprised than him by his performance against Lacy.
5) Any retard can look at Manfredo's frame and know that he should probably have been fighting at 168 since he was about 22-23 years old. He's like Omar Shieka on steroids.
6) I put no stock in his victory over Shotberton, and not much stock in his victory over Spina.

All that said, I think Manfredo will last the 12 rounds, and in doing so expose Joe C. Manfredo is a tough, hard headed SOB, who's never been so much as knocked down in 29 professional, or 100+ amatuer fights. I'm not saying that Manfredo will win, but I really don't see him getting KTFO. Calzaghe doesn't hit that hard, and I know there's a lot to be said for punches in bunches, but Roach tightened up Manfredo's D quite a bit. Also, Calzaghe has admitted he's having a hard time getting up for this fight. He's also dissed Manfredo quite a bit. Bad idea. When Spina ran off at the mouth, Manfredo was climbing over the ref to get at him after the stoppage. Also, you can't forget the ceramic hand factor.

Here's how I like Manfredo's chances of victory against Joe C.

The Joe C that showed up for Lacy- 5%
-I'd say zero, buit Manfredo hits pretty hard at 168, and in boxing, anything can happen.

Average Joe C- 33%
-The guy just isn't that good. And he's been dropped by guys who don't hit as hard as Manfredo.

The Joe C that showed up for Bika- 66%
-Manfredo is a hell of a lot better than Bika.

So answer me this, if Manfredo survives the 12, or does the unthinkable and wins, will everyone say Joe C got exposed, or will people say Manfredo is better than everybody thought?

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You say he is ripe for picking but there is not a fighter at middle Smiddle or light heavyweight that would be a big favorate over him(if a favorte at all).

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The same could be said for Lacy prior to Calzaghe getting to him.

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yes,but I am not saying Lacy was ripe for the picking.

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I think Manffredo will do a lot better tjan people think, mainly coz I just can't see Calzaghe being focussed and motivated.

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I've been saying this since the fight was signed.....168 is Manfredos weight.....and it shows....Joe C better be at his best....

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You guys are underestimating the headbutts.

Calzaghe gets cut nasty in this fight. I've looked into the future and seen it with my own eyes 8)

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Calzaghe will beat down on Manfredo, you're not getting me on this one, Bilbo Baggins! >:mad ;D

Manfredo is a chump who should not be fighting for any version of a world tile as he hasnt beat anyone of note
Calzaghe has been a waste of talent he should have moved for glamour light heavy fight with Jones years ago i dont like him or even rate him that highly but Calzaghe cud have had big fights lets face it super middle is not a great division hes now 34-35 and slipping
shame on Warren for wheeling in chump after chump

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Manfredo is a chump who should not be fighting for any version of a world tile as he hasnt beat anyone of note
Calzaghe has been a waste of talent he should have moved for glamour light heavy fight with Jones years ago i dont like him or even rate him that highly but Calzaghe cud have had big fights lets face it super middle is not a great division hes now 34-35 and slipping
shame on Warren for wheeling in chump after chump

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But also shame on Calzaghe for going through with it. Its a shame he has been so lacking in ambition...

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Calzaghe used to hit extremely hard with the left hand, it was what he was known for in the amateurs and before the hand problems in '99.

But he's very weak at the weight these days.

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What do you mean he is very week t the weight? He seemed strong enough against Lacy.

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You guys are underestimating the headbutts.

Calzaghe gets cut nasty in this fight. I've looked into the future and seen it with my own eyes 8)

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Calzaghe will beat down on Manfredo, you're not getting me on this one, Bilbo Baggins! >:mad ;D

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You disagree but which one of you can count a WIZARD as a personal friend huh!

I've looked into the all seeing eye and have seen that Manfredo cuts Calzaghe above his right eye in the 5th round with a clash of heads.

What happens then I cannot tell you but you will see!

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I think Manffredo will do a lot better tjan people think, mainly coz I just can't see Calzaghe being focussed and motivated.

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I've been saying this since the fight was signed.....168 is Manfredos weight.....and it shows....Joe C better be at his best....

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I guess so, but what really bothers me is that Manfredo has been fighting at anywhere from 154 to 160 his entire career. Why did it take this long for them to figure this out? Is his father that stupid? Peter complained about the weight after the show but Peter, Sergio and Miguel espino were the only legitimate middle weights on that show. The rest were moving up or down to become middle weights and had to make those adjustments to be on the show. I have seen recent photos of Manfredo Jr and he looks like a little monster with the extra weight. He is still small compared to Joe C.

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You guys are underestimating the headbutts.

Calzaghe gets cut nasty in this fight. I've looked into the future and seen it with my own eyes 8)

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Alsong as calzaghe is fighting at adleast 80% he wont get cut. He will be to fast, and manfredo is to small, he would have to do a jumping headbeat to cut his eye open ;D

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Calzaghe used to hit extremely hard with the left hand, it was what he was known for in the amateurs and before the hand problems in '99.

But he's very weak at the weight these days.

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What do you mean he is very week t the weight? He seemed strong enough against Lacy.

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over 1007 punches landed and he didn't put him down untill the 12, was a time calzaghe would of knocked lacy clean out, oor put him down a hell of a lot.

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The only way JC is going to lose to anyone is if he is not motivated enough because style wise,he beats the shat out of JT,Hopkins and even Winky for me. You can be as critical of his opposition as you like but as a boxer,based purely on skills,he is awesome. And I don't think he loses this fight,he knows there's a big fight waiting for him after this fight,he'll be focussed.

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How long has Warren and co. been talking about this big fight happening?? Ever since the Lacy fight they have been saying that a MONSTER MEGA fight was Joe's next bout. I will believe when Joe steps into the ring against RJJ, BHop, Winky, JT.

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The only way JC is going to lose to anyone is if he is not motivated enough because style wise,he beats the shat out of JT,Hopkins and even Winky for me. You can be as critical of his opposition as you like but as a boxer,based purely on skills,he is awesome. And I don't think he loses this fight,he knows there's a big fight waiting for him after this fight,he'll be focussed.

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How long has Warren and co. been talking about this big fight happening?? Ever since the Lacy fight they have been saying that a MONSTER MEGA fight was Joe's next bout. I will believe when Joe steps into the ring against RJJ, BHop, Winky, JT.

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It has been over a year since the Lacy fight, and we've been fed Bika and now Manfredo. Calzaghe is 35 too. Frustrating for any fan.