How Does One Get Venerated, But The Other Gets Treated With Such Distain??

*****PLEASE LETS BE RESPECTFUL ON THIS THREAD, THIS ISIN'T THE US.FANS VS GREAT BRITAIN FANS, LETS DISCUSS INTELLIGENTLY*****

Over the past year I have been convinced that Calzaghe has more than the goods and has worldclass talent, but you cant make a living out of one fight and forge a legacy, I am disappointed that he is trying to pull the wool over our eyes with fighting Peter Manfredo Jr and lead us to believe this is a legitimate and credible fight,and this is the one and only golden opportunity for him to get the millions of dollars and recognition in the states, when this is just an easy way for him to get his 20 defenses ::**

Now whats fair is fair... Floyd Mayweather Jr get lambasted by the majority around here for his level of competition throughout his career, well I got news for you Floyd has fought WAY BETTER AND CREDIBLE OPPOSITION than Joe Calzaghe!!!! But Joe is lauded as a national treasure and Floyd is a coward,slacker and a sackless disgrace...Could never figure that out...

I don't want to here that Floyd's a jerk and Joe's not, I have read some articles and quotes by Calzaghe and he has been quite mouthy over the past year himself.. This is about in ring accomplishments strictly...

I think I made a fair assessment on this and would love to here what everyone thinks, Why does Joe get Royal treatment and Floyd Gets The venemous treatment?? ;)

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*****PLEASE LETS BE RESPECTFUL ON THIS THREAD, THIS ISIN'T THE US.FANS VS GREAT BRITAIN FANS, LETS DISCUSS INTELLIGENTLY*****

Over the past year I have been convinced that Calzaghe has more than the goods and has worldclass talent, but you cant make a living out of one fight and forge a legacy, I am disappointed that he is trying to pull the wool over our eyes and lead us to believe this is a legitimate and credible fight,and this is the one and only golden opportunity for him to get the millions of dollars and recognition in the states, when this is just an easy way for him to get his 20 defenses ::**

Now whats fair is fair... Floyd Mayweather Jr get lambasted by the majority around here for his level of competition throughout his career, well I got news for you Floyd has fought WAY BETTER AND CREDIBLE OPPOSITION than Joe Calzaghe!!!! But Joe is lauded as a national treasure and Floyd is a coward,slacker and a sackless disgrace...Could never figure that out...

I don't want to here that Floyd's a jerk and Joe's not, I have read some articles and quotes by Calzaghe and he has been quite mouthy over the past year himself.. This is about in ring accomplishments strictly...

I think I made a fair assessment on this and would love to here what everyone thinks, Why does Joe get Royal treatment and Floyd Gets The venemous treatment?? ;)

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I think Jealousy is a large part...remember most people show distain for the pure boxers....they don't like all the movement and skill...Joe brawls abit...PBF cannot be goaded into trading punches...

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

*****PLEASE LETS BE RESPECTFUL ON THIS THREAD, THIS ISIN'T THE US.FANS VS GREAT BRITAIN FANS, LETS DISCUSS INTELLIGENTLY*****

Over the past year I have been convinced that Calzaghe has more than the goods and has worldclass talent, but you cant make a living out of one fight and forge a legacy, I am disappointed that he is trying to pull the wool over our eyes and lead us to believe this is a legitimate and credible fight,and this is the one and only golden opportunity for him to get the millions of dollars and recognition in the states, when this is just an easy way for him to get his 20 defenses ::**

Now whats fair is fair... Floyd Mayweather Jr get lambasted by the majority around here for his level of competition throughout his career, well I got news for you Floyd has fought WAY BETTER AND CREDIBLE OPPOSITION than Joe Calzaghe!!!! But Joe is lauded as a national treasure and Floyd is a coward,slacker and a sackless disgrace...Could never figure that out...

I don't want to here that Floyd's a jerk and Joe's not, I have read some articles and quotes by Calzaghe and he has been quite mouthy over the past year himself.. This is about in ring accomplishments strictly...

I think I made a fair assessment on this and would love to here what everyone thinks, Why does Joe get Royal treatment and Floyd Gets The venemous treatment?? ;)

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I think Jealousy is a large part...remember most people show distain for the pure boxers....they don't like all the movement and skill...Joe brawls abit...PBF cannot be goaded into trading punches...

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I agree with you to an extent Rags, my point is lets talk about the level of competition and the exorbitant amount of scrutiny on one end, but glory beyond compare for the other

Joe got the royal treatment for a while I can agree to that. I don't think thats the case now though. Now its a case of as you were for any Calzaghe fans, back to fighting mediocrity with some strange angle attached by the management that only makes sense to them, therefor makes sense to Joe. With regards to anything Calzaghe has to say I genuinely believe the bloke hasn't got a clue what he should be doing or who he should be fighting.........seriously.

Mayweathers opposition and how he goes about dispatching them is scrutinised more thoroughly than anyone else's because he's the best, nothing wrong with that.

I dont know why we are comparing Calzaghe and Mayweather like this. As far as Im concerned both fighters have their share of critics especially so on this site.

Im a Calzaghe fan and hold my hands up that he has fought Mario Veit too many times as well as a bunch of other no namers. But then again, he has had decent fights too. He has skills and to be fair has tried to make big fights on occasion but they have fallen through because of Hopkins greed and because Calzaghe always busts his hand when making a fight with Glenn Johnson. More big fights should have been made by now though. He has the tools to beat the best.

As for Mayweather. Yes, he has beaten a lot of decent fighters. Fewer so in recent years. Gatti and Baldomir spring readily to mind. Yes, Hatton gets flack for fighting paper champs too these days! Like Calzaghe he has tremendous skills but seems to have skimmed through divisions recently without ever really leaving his impact. Im impressed he is fighting Oscar. But I do think Oscar is almost mummified and will get shown up somewhat.

Both are very skilled fighters, both could have done a bit more than they have in recent years, Calzaghe moreso...

CC, JT. I applaud your attempt to engage in an intelligent boxing discussion. Sometimes you have to put all these "disclaimers" up front.

On the subject, I don't consider myself a PBF fan, but I'm definitely NOT among those who question his level of opposition. Floyd has shown a willingness to fight those who will be willing to fight him. His fight against "Chico" Corrales has to be mentioned as a shining example.

About Calzaghe, I honestly don't know much about him. I know he fought and beat a highly-regarded and dangerous Jeff Lacy, but other than that.... I don't know. However, I do agree that many on the forum are pretty much ready to confer "super-human" status on him.

Pretty unevenly split, it would seem like.

As for PBF being a jerk....... I don't know. When I compare him to the likes of Judah and Toney, the guy doesn't seem all that much of a jerk in comparison.

I think a lot of Floyd's detractors hear the things Floyd says personally and get turned off by it. Calling himself the greatest fighter of all time. Better than Ali, better than Sugar Ray Robinson. Almost claiming he's immortal.
And when he says these kinds of things about himself, it just opens up all the floodgates to critique every decision he's ever made regarding his opponents.
Because in comparison to what he claims to be, of course there's no way anyone could live up to the hype that surrounds him and the hype that he creates even for himself.
People find it hard to appreciate things for what they are and only for what they are.
Floyd looks spectacular virtually every time he steps in the ring. But no matter who he beats and how good he beats them, Floyd's haters will always find some sort of ammunition against him. Because there's no way he (or any human) can live up to what he claims he is.

I would say Calzaghe gets just as much criticism as Mayweather on these boards.

Mayweather will always be criticised becuase he's the man at the top and so will always be under far greater scrutiny than any other fighter.

The only top fighters I can think of off hand who get almost no criticism at all are Barrera (never heard anyone say a bad word about him), Winky, and Pacquiao.

Everyone else gets stick all the time.

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CC, JT. I applaud your attempt to engage in an intelligent boxing discussion. Sometimes you have to put all these "disclaimers" up front.

On the subject, I don't consider myself a PBF fan, but I'm definitely NOT among those who question his level of opposition. Floyd has shown a willingness to fight those who will be willing to fight him. His fight against "Chico" Corrales has to be mentioned as a shining example.

About Calzaghe, I honestly don't know much about him. I know he fought and beat a highly-regarded and dangerous Jeff Lacy, but other than that.... I don't know. However, I do agree that many on the forum are pretty much ready to confer "super-human" status on him.

Pretty unevenly split, it would seem like.

As for PBF being a jerk....... I don't know. When I compare him to the likes of Judah and Toney, the guy doesn't seem all that much of a jerk in comparison.

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Thanks :coolclick: #174

I think the answer is a simple one.

In the United States you can dislike Floyd Mayweather because you have Jermaine Taylor, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr, James Toney, Winky Wright, Shane Mosley, to be a fan off. If all our hopes rested on Mayweather we wouldn't say a bad word about him.


In the UK you either like Joe Calzaghe, Ricky Hatton or a one of several lesser known fighters.

To be fair, anyone who thinks Floyd is a "coward, slacker and a sackless disgrace" is a biased idiot and has absolutely 0 credibility. I do see your point though...

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I would say Calzaghe gets just as much criticism as Mayweather on these boards.

Mayweather will always be criticised becuase he's the man at the top and so will always be under far greater scrutiny than any other fighter.

The only top fighters I can think of off hand who get almost no criticism at all are Barrera (never heard anyone say a bad word about him), Winky, and Pacquiao.

Everyone else gets stick all the time.

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Bilbs The Calzaghe critisim has just started recently, I say that because if you dared to say 1 word against Calzaghe there would have been a rapid influx of sadclicks that would of knocked off the server for 2 weeks....

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I dont know why we are comparing Calzaghe and Mayweather like this. As far as Im concerned both fighters have their share of critics especially so on this site.

Im a Calzaghe fan and hold my hands up that he has fought Mario Veit too many times as well as a bunch of other no namers. But then again, he has had decent fights too. He has skills and to be fair has tried to make big fights on occasion but they have fallen through because of Hopkins greed and because Calzaghe always busts his hand when making a fight with Glenn Johnson. More big fights should have been made by now though. He has the tools to beat the best.

As for Mayweather. Yes, he has beaten a lot of decent fighters. Fewer so in recent years. Gatti and Baldomir spring readily to mind. Yes, Hatton gets flack for fighting paper champs too these days! Like Calzaghe he has tremendous skills but seems to have skimmed through divisions recently without ever really leaving his impact. Im impressed he is fighting Oscar. But I do think Oscar is almost mummified and will get shown up somewhat.

Both are very skilled fighters, both could have done a bit more than they have in recent years, Calzaghe moreso...

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Well I compare because Joe is gonna be 36 next month and is almost done with his career and the book is pretty much been written for his career

Floyd is gonna be 30 in a few days and is hitting stride for his prime and has already done more and has fought the better competition.. ;)

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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla

I think the answer is a simple one.

In the United States you can dislike Floyd Mayweather because you have Jermaine Taylor, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr, James Toney, Winky Wright, Shane Mosley, to be a fan off. If all our hopes rested on Mayweather we wouldn't say a bad word about him.


In the UK you either like Joe Calzaghe, Ricky Hatton or a one of several lesser known fighters.

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I think it is futile to like a fighter just because of his nationality. Other aspects play their part for me. And that is why James Toney and Barrera have been such favourites of mine. I couldnt care less where they are born, that is irrelevant to me. Its got to be about the style or something about the fighter themselves.

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I would say Calzaghe gets just as much criticism as Mayweather on these boards.

Mayweather will always be criticised becuase he's the man at the top and so will always be under far greater scrutiny than any other fighter.

The only top fighters I can think of off hand who get almost no criticism at all are Barrera (never heard anyone say a bad word about him), Winky, and Pacquiao.

Everyone else gets stick all the time.

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Bilbs The Calzaghe critisim has just started recently, I say that because if you dared to say 1 word against Calzaghe there would have been a rapid influx of sadclicks that would of knocked off the server for 2 weeks....

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That stands to reason though doesnt it? Theres a time and place for criticism, now is it, not fresh of the back of your biggest win to date against a guy that was sent over to tear you a new one ;)

Well, I have;
Joe C
Hatton
PBF

all in the same boat to me neither one has fought THEE BEST competition out there for them....

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Originally Posted by miles

I dont know why we are comparing Calzaghe and Mayweather like this. As far as Im concerned both fighters have their share of critics especially so on this site.

Im a Calzaghe fan and hold my hands up that he has fought Mario Veit too many times as well as a bunch of other no namers. But then again, he has had decent fights too. He has skills and to be fair has tried to make big fights on occasion but they have fallen through because of Hopkins greed and because Calzaghe always busts his hand when making a fight with Glenn Johnson. More big fights should have been made by now though. He has the tools to beat the best.

As for Mayweather. Yes, he has beaten a lot of decent fighters. Fewer so in recent years. Gatti and Baldomir spring readily to mind. Yes, Hatton gets flack for fighting paper champs too these days! Like Calzaghe he has tremendous skills but seems to have skimmed through divisions recently without ever really leaving his impact. Im impressed he is fighting Oscar. But I do think Oscar is almost mummified and will get shown up somewhat.

Both are very skilled fighters, both could have done a bit more than they have in recent years, Calzaghe moreso...

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Well I compare because Joe is gonna be 36 next month and is almost done with his career and the book is pretty much been written for his career

Floyd is gonna be 30 in a few days and is hitting stride for his prime and has already done more and has fought the better competition.. ;)

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So you are comparing them because Joe is getting old and nearly retired, and because you are championing Floyd Mayweather!? Again, I dont really see your comparison.

Congrats on a very impartial threat, JT!! ;D

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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla

I think the answer is a simple one.

In the United States you can dislike Floyd Mayweather because you have Jermaine Taylor, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr, James Toney, Winky Wright, Shane Mosley, to be a fan off. If all our hopes rested on Mayweather we wouldn't say a bad word about him.


In the UK you either like Joe Calzaghe, Ricky Hatton or a one of several lesser known fighters.

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I think it is futile to like a fighter just because of his nationality. Other aspects play their part for me. And that is why James Toney and Barrera have been such favourites of mine. I couldnt care less where they are born, that is irrelevant to me. Its got to be about the style or something about the fighter themselves.

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:coolclick: 864 Agreed, I dont care if Mars produced a great Boxer, I would be a fan... The nationality or creed should not come into play here..

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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla

I think the answer is a simple one.

In the United States you can dislike Floyd Mayweather because you have Jermaine Taylor, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr, James Toney, Winky Wright, Shane Mosley, to be a fan off. If all our hopes rested on Mayweather we wouldn't say a bad word about him.


In the UK you either like Joe Calzaghe, Ricky Hatton or a one of several lesser known fighters.

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How condescending and totally unAmerican of you.

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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla

I think the answer is a simple one.

In the United States you can dislike Floyd Mayweather because you have Jermaine Taylor, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr, James Toney, Winky Wright, Shane Mosley, to be a fan off. If all our hopes rested on Mayweather we wouldn't say a bad word about him.


In the UK you either like Joe Calzaghe, Ricky Hatton or a one of several lesser known fighters.

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I think it is futile to like a fighter just because of his nationality. Other aspects play their part for me. And that is why James Toney and Barrera have been such favourites of mine. I couldnt care less where they are born, that is irrelevant to me. Its got to be about the style or something about the fighter themselves.

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:coolclick: 864 Agreed, I dont care if Mars produced a great Boxer, I would be a fan... The nationality or creed should not come into play here..

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Click right, back.

But I am still a bit confused by this thread though. Why the need to compare Calzaghe and Mayweather. They get their share of critisism. Isnt that what this was about?

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I dont know why we are comparing Calzaghe and Mayweather like this. As far as Im concerned both fighters have their share of critics especially so on this site.

Im a Calzaghe fan and hold my hands up that he has fought Mario Veit too many times as well as a bunch of other no namers. But then again, he has had decent fights too. He has skills and to be fair has tried to make big fights on occasion but they have fallen through because of Hopkins greed and because Calzaghe always busts his hand when making a fight with Glenn Johnson. More big fights should have been made by now though. He has the tools to beat the best.

As for Mayweather. Yes, he has beaten a lot of decent fighters. Fewer so in recent years. Gatti and Baldomir spring readily to mind. Yes, Hatton gets flack for fighting paper champs too these days! Like Calzaghe he has tremendous skills but seems to have skimmed through divisions recently without ever really leaving his impact. Im impressed he is fighting Oscar. But I do think Oscar is almost mummified and will get shown up somewhat.

Both are very skilled fighters, both could have done a bit more than they have in recent years, Calzaghe moreso...

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Well I compare because Joe is gonna be 36 next month and is almost done with his career and the book is pretty much been written for his career

Floyd is gonna be 30 in a few days and is hitting stride for his prime and has already done more and has fought the better competition.. ;)

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So you are comparing them because Joe is getting old and nearly retired, and because you are championing Floyd Mayweather! Again, I dont really see your comparison.

Congrats on a very impartial threat, JT!! ::** ;) ;D

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Gotdam you miles!!!! I wish I could take that coolclick back ;D seriously that couldnt be farther from the truth.. I like Calzaghe and was very anxious to see him fight Bika so I could get a glimpse into his talent, just like I am anxious to see him put on a clinic and showcase his talent against Manfredo... I wish it was against better competition thats all ;D

Yep behind Jeff Lacy I am a huge Mayweather Fan and I admit that 1000000000000000000% but I tried to take fandom out of this and wanted to focus on the scrutiny and desparity between the opinions on these 2 fighters...

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I think the answer is a simple one.

In the United States you can dislike Floyd Mayweather because you have Jermaine Taylor, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr, James Toney, Winky Wright, Shane Mosley, to be a fan off. If all our hopes rested on Mayweather we wouldn't say a bad word about him.


In the UK you either like Joe Calzaghe, Ricky Hatton or a one of several lesser known fighters.

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I think it is futile to like a fighter just because of his nationality. Other aspects play their part for me. And that is why James Toney and Barrera have been such favourites of mine. I couldnt care less where they are born, that is irrelevant to me. Its got to be about the style or something about the fighter themselves.

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:coolclick: 864 Agreed, I dont care if Mars produced a great Boxer, I would be a fan... The nationality or creed should not come into play here..

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Click right, back.

But I am still a bit confused by this thread though. Why the need to compare Calzaghe and Mayweather. They get their share of critisism. Isnt that what this was about?

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OK if Joe is getting criticized it is fairly recently..... Floyd gets 10x the amount of flack thats my point..

and if Joe has been getting shafted around here more than I have noticed than I really have to pay better attention ;)

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I think the answer is a simple one.  

In the United States you can dislike Floyd Mayweather because you have Jermaine Taylor, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr, James Toney, Winky Wright, Shane Mosley, to be a fan off.  If all our hopes rested on Mayweather we wouldn't say a bad word about him.


In the UK you either like Joe Calzaghe, Ricky Hatton or a one of several lesser known fighters.

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I think it is futile to like a fighter just because of his nationality. Other aspects play their part for me. And that is why James Toney and Barrera have been such favourites of mine. I couldnt care less where they are born, that is irrelevant to me. Its got to be about the style or something about the fighter themselves.

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I doubt you'd fine an American who likes Calzaghe or Hatton better than one of their own.  Why look overseas for a favorite when you have plenty of homegrowns to choose from?  Same goes for Latino fans.  Why cheer for Hatton when you can root for Cotto.

I think it is natural to lean toward you countrymen.  I don't watch the Olympics and cheer for China.  I don't hate China.

As boxing fans we apprciate boxers from around the world.  They all carry our sport.  Still, when you have a limited list of fighters to stand behind as a nation they seem all the more great.

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I dont know why we are comparing Calzaghe and Mayweather like this. As far as Im concerned both fighters have their share of critics especially so on this site.

Im a Calzaghe fan and hold my hands up that he has fought Mario Veit too many times as well as a bunch of other no namers. But then again, he has had decent fights too. He has skills and to be fair has tried to make big fights on occasion but they have fallen through because of Hopkins greed and because Calzaghe always busts his hand when making a fight with Glenn Johnson. More big fights should have been made by now though. He has the tools to beat the best.

As for Mayweather. Yes, he has beaten a lot of decent fighters. Fewer so in recent years. Gatti and Baldomir spring readily to mind. Yes, Hatton gets flack for fighting paper champs too these days! Like Calzaghe he has tremendous skills but seems to have skimmed through divisions recently without ever really leaving his impact. Im impressed he is fighting Oscar. But I do think Oscar is almost mummified and will get shown up somewhat.

Both are very skilled fighters, both could have done a bit more than they have in recent years, Calzaghe moreso...

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Well I compare because Joe is gonna be 36 next month and is almost done with his career and the book is pretty much been written for his career

Floyd is gonna be 30 in a few days and is hitting stride for his prime and has already done more and has fought the better competition.. ;)

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So you are comparing them because Joe is getting old and nearly retired, and because you are championing Floyd Mayweather! Again, I dont really see your comparison.

Congrats on a very impartial threat, JT!! ::** ;) ;D

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Gotdam you miles!!!! I wish I could take that coolclick back ;D seriously that couldnt be farther from the truth.. I like Calzaghe and was very anxious to see him fight Bika so I could get a glimpse into his talent, just like I am anxious to see him put on a clinic and showcase his talent against Manfredo... I wish it was against better competition thats all ;D

Yep behind Jeff Lacy I am a huge Mayweather Fan and I admit that 1000000000000000000% but I tried to take fandom out of this and wanted to focus on the scrutiny and desparity between the opinions on these 2 fighters...

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I think the truth is that Calzaghe should have fought much better opposition over the years. As simple as that, coming from this Calzaghe fan...

As for Mayweather my only complaint is that I wish he would have unified more belts instead of jumping up in weight so quickly. Floyd is way over Calzaghe P4P of course. I argue as a fan of Floyd that I would have liked to have seen him clean out divisions. I dont argue this because I dont think he is good, likewise my thoughts on Calzaghe. I would dearly love him to fight Kessler, and it pisses me off that he doesnt....

Both fighters have their critics, but Floyd is P4P number for a reason, of course his record is comparatively better and substantially so when compared with Calzaghes....

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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla

I think the answer is a simple one.

In the United States you can dislike Floyd Mayweather because you have Jermaine Taylor, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr, James Toney, Winky Wright, Shane Mosley, to be a fan off. If all our hopes rested on Mayweather we wouldn't say a bad word about him.


In the UK you either like Joe Calzaghe, Ricky Hatton or a one of several lesser known fighters.

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How condescending and totally unAmerican of you.

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too funny...

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I think the answer is a simple one.

In the United States you can dislike Floyd Mayweather because you have Jermaine Taylor, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr, James Toney, Winky Wright, Shane Mosley, to be a fan off. If all our hopes rested on Mayweather we wouldn't say a bad word about him.


In the UK you either like Joe Calzaghe, Ricky Hatton or a one of several lesser known fighters.

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I think it is futile to like a fighter just because of his nationality. Other aspects play their part for me. And that is why James Toney and Barrera have been such favourites of mine. I couldnt care less where they are born, that is irrelevant to me. Its got to be about the style or something about the fighter themselves.

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I doubt you'd fine an American who likes Calzaghe or Hatton better than one of their own. Why look overseas for a favorite when you have plenty of homegrowns to choose from? Same goes for Latino fans. Why cheer for Hatton when you can root for Cotto.

I think it is natural to lean toward you countrymen. I don't watch the Olympics and cheer for China. I don't hate China.

As boxing fans we apprciate boxers from around the world. They all carry out sport. Still, when you have a limited list of fighters to stand behind as a nation they seem all the more great.

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Perhaps you are right and many would be inclined to agree with your thoughts on nationalism, but those are not the reasons why I watch boxing. A game of football, fair enough, but boxing to me is more about the individual than the country. Of course, I wanted Tyson to rip Danny Williams up...little did I know! :-\

Calzaghe venerated!?

He's top 3 P4P most hated on this board. Fact.

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Calzaghe venerated!?

He's top 3 P4P most hated on this board. Fact.

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Oh Yea!!!! Prove it Fenster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:mad hahah!!!! ;D

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Calzaghe venerated!?

He's top 3 P4P most hated on this board. Fact.

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Oh Yea!!!! Prove it Fenster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:mad hahah!!!! ;D

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Well it's a FACT according to Fenster ;D

1. Hatton
2. Naz
3. Calzaghe

Bet you can't find a thread about Calzaghe that hasn't degenerated into a shitfest about how overrated he is etc...

It all boils down to...

1) Floyd Mayweather is THOUGHT TO BE the most gifted pugilist walking the planet today. He's held to a higher standard

2) Prior to the Lacy fight, Joe C really wasn't talked about much in the American boxing media. Mayweather has been scrutinized for years.

3) Mayweather runs off at the mouth about being the GOAT, which opens him up to criticism. It's also a fkking joke considering the good, but not great opposition he's faced. Look at who the rest of the top 5 P4P have fought compared to Mayweather. And this lil sumbitch really needs to keep names like SRR and Ali out of his mouth.

4) Joe C is fun to watch. The casual fan goes to fights to see knockouts and beatdowns. That's not what you're gonna get from Mayweather above 135.

I don't really understand why theere is a comparison between JC and Floyd? Floyd is one of the most naturally gifted fighters around,calls himself the greatest ever and says he is the best therefore he is going to be judged to a higher,harsher standard than JC..and 20 defences is nothing to baulk at...

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I don't really understand why theere is a comparison between JC and Floyd? Floyd is one of the most naturally gifted fighters around,calls himself the greatest ever and says he is the best therefore he is going to be judged to a higher,harsher standard than JC..and 20 defences is nothing to baulk at...

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Again Gamo we are talking about strictly in the ring accompolishments and level of opposition ;)

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I think the answer is a simple one.

In the United States you can dislike Floyd Mayweather because you have Jermaine Taylor, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr, James Toney, Winky Wright, Shane Mosley, to be a fan off. If all our hopes rested on Mayweather we wouldn't say a bad word about him.


In the UK you either like Joe Calzaghe, Ricky Hatton or a one of several lesser known fighters.

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I think it is futile to like a fighter just because of his nationality. Other aspects play their part for me. And that is why James Toney and Barrera have been such favourites of mine. I couldnt care less where they are born, that is irrelevant to me. Its got to be about the style or something about the fighter themselves.

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:coolclick: 864 Agreed, I dont care if Mars produced a great Boxer, I would be a fan... The nationality or creed should not come into play here..

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Ah man it would be so cool if Mars produced a top heavyweight fighter. You just know that they would pit him against Valuev and the trailer for the fight would be a parody from the Dawn of Man intro for 2001 A Space Odyssey ;D

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I think the answer is a simple one.

In the United States you can dislike Floyd Mayweather because you have Jermaine Taylor, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr, James Toney, Winky Wright, Shane Mosley, to be a fan off. If all our hopes rested on Mayweather we wouldn't say a bad word about him.


In the UK you either like Joe Calzaghe, Ricky Hatton or a one of several lesser known fighters.

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I think it is futile to like a fighter just because of his nationality. Other aspects play their part for me. And that is why James Toney and Barrera have been such favourites of mine. I couldnt care less where they are born, that is irrelevant to me. Its got to be about the style or something about the fighter themselves.

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:coolclick: 864 Agreed, I dont care if Mars produced a great Boxer, I would be a fan... The nationality or creed should not come into play here..

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Ah man it would be so cool if Mars produced a top heavyweight fighter. You just know that they would pit him against Valuev and the trailer for the fight would be a parody from the Dawn of Man intro for 2001 A Space Odyssey ;D

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I don't really understand why theere is a comparison between JC and Floyd? Floyd is one of the most naturally gifted fighters around,calls himself the greatest ever and says he is the best therefore he is going to be judged to a higher,harsher standard than JC..and 20 defences is nothing to baulk at...

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Again Gamo we are talking about strictly in the ring accompolishments and level of opposition ;)

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In ring comparisons still make no sense to me,what is the purpose of this? Is Floyd not P4P number1?(yes in most's opinions). So he will he be subject to more criticism?YES. Floyd has handpicked opponents,JC has 20 defences against not the best fighters.Both can be criticised but JC does not say he is the best ever by beating Gatti etc. And Lacy is as good as anonye Floyd has fought except Castillo/Corrales.Floyd has never entered the ring for about 3-4 years with a guy NEARLY THE WHOLE WORLD thought would beat him as was the case with JC and Floyd.

How i feel?

Floyd has fought great or decent competition his whole career..From the start..
I mean.. you could say that floyd has not fought world beaters his entire career...
But even de la hoya and tito fought the named fighters and the good fighters to build up theyr records.. Ie oba carr, yuri boy campas etc...

But Joe... Just because im british i will not defend him...
Hes a bum plain and simple..Ok thats maybe too harsh ..cos i know he has the skill...
He is a waste of talent wasting his career away with the over protective warren
So that is why he needs the big fights with true legends so urgently..Else he will be known for what i mention above for ever.. Theres no way you can even argue his cause..Its true..He has wasted away ten years of his career
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I don't really understand why theere is a comparison between JC and Floyd? Floyd is one of the most naturally gifted fighters around,calls himself the greatest ever and says he is the best therefore he is going to be judged to a higher,harsher standard than JC..and 20 defences is nothing to baulk at...

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Again Gamo we are talking about strictly in the ring accompolishments and level of opposition ;)

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In ring comparisons still make no sense to me,what is the purpose of this? Is Floyd not P4P number1?(yes in most's opinions). So he will he be subject to more criticism?YES. Floyd has handpicked opponents,JC has 20 defences against not the best fighters.Both can be criticised but JC does not say he is the best ever by beating Gatti etc. And Lacy is as good as anonye Floyd has fought except Castillo/Corrales.Floyd has never entered the ring for about 3-4 years with a guy NEARLY THE WHOLE WORLD thought would beat him as was the case with JC and Floyd.

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Geezus man its a boxing forum meant to discuss a myriad of topics... I dont understand why you are being so standoffish about this particular thread :dontknow:

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I think a lot of Floyd's detractors hear the things Floyd says personally and get turned off by it. Calling himself the greatest fighter of all time. Better than Ali, better than Sugar Ray Robinson. Almost claiming he's immortal.
And when he says these kinds of things about himself, it just opens up all the floodgates to critique every decision he's ever made regarding his opponents.
Because in comparison to what he claims to be, of course there's no way anyone could live up to the hype that surrounds him and the hype that he creates even for himself.
People find it hard to appreciate things for what they are and only for what they are.
Floyd looks spectacular virtually every time he steps in the ring. But no matter who he beats and how good he beats them, Floyd's haters will always find some sort of ammunition against him. Because there's no way he (or any human) can live up to what he claims he is.

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Meowza has Bingo.
It's always been my belief (and is continually reinforced by many things I read here) that the majority of the anti-Floyd crowd discredit his accomplishments because they "don't like him."
If Floyd did nothing but kiss ass and act politely during his interviews, I guarantee a lot of his critics would go away.
Which I've never really understood, because this isn't a nice guy competition, it's professional prizefighting. Who cares whether these guys are arrogant or say outrageous things?
I'm as big of a Floyd fan as there is on this entire board. Yet if I ever met Floyd in person, it wouldn't surprise me at all if he was a total a**hole. But I could care less, I pay $$ to watch him box, not to watch his etiquette.

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I think a lot of Floyd's detractors hear the things Floyd says personally and get turned off by it. Calling himself the greatest fighter of all time. Better than Ali, better than Sugar Ray Robinson. Almost claiming he's immortal.
And when he says these kinds of things about himself, it just opens up all the floodgates to critique every decision he's ever made regarding his opponents.
Because in comparison to what he claims to be, of course there's no way anyone could live up to the hype that surrounds him and the hype that he creates even for himself.
People find it hard to appreciate things for what they are and only for what they are.
Floyd looks spectacular virtually every time he steps in the ring. But no matter who he beats and how good he beats them, Floyd's haters will always find some sort of ammunition against him. Because there's no way he (or any human) can live up to what he claims he is.

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Meowza has Bingo.
It's always been my belief (and is continually reinforced by many things I read here) that the majority of the anti-Floyd crowd discredit his accomplishments because they "don't like him."
If Floyd did nothing but kiss ass and act politely during his interviews, I guarantee a lot of his critics would go away.
Which I've never really understood, because this isn't a nice guy competition, it's professional prizefighting. Who cares whether these guys are arrogant or say outrageous things?
I'm as big of a Floyd fan as there is on this entire board. Yet if I ever met Floyd in person, it wouldn't surprise me at all if he was a total a**hole. But I could care less, I pay $$ to watch him box, not to watch his etiquette.

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I understand where you are coming from and it's a valid point but it certainly does not apply to me. I have the guys career on DVD and watch it allllll the time,I still believe he is an amazing talent who could be wasting what could be an amazing career by not fighting alot of good fighters out there. In my humble opinion,he has handpicked too many opponents,and what makes it annoynig is that at the beginning of his career,he fought ALOT of good fighters but it has levelled off way way too much! If a guy can back up his big mouth then by all means,run it! Ali did!

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*****PLEASE LETS BE RESPECTFUL ON THIS THREAD, THIS ISIN'T THE US.FANS VS GREAT BRITAIN FANS, LETS DISCUSS INTELLIGENTLY*****

Over the past year I have been convinced that Calzaghe has more than the goods and has worldclass talent, but you cant make a living out of one fight and forge a legacy, I am disappointed that he is trying to pull the wool over our eyes with fighting Peter Manfredo Jr and lead us to believe this is a legitimate and credible fight,and this is the one and only golden opportunity for him to get the millions of dollars and recognition in the states, when this is just an easy way for him to get his 20 defenses ::**

Now whats fair is fair... Floyd Mayweather Jr get lambasted by the majority around here for his level of competition throughout his career, well I got news for you Floyd has fought WAY BETTER AND CREDIBLE OPPOSITION than Joe Calzaghe!!!! But Joe is lauded as a national treasure and Floyd is a coward,slacker and a sackless disgrace...Could never figure that out...

I don't want to here that Floyd's a jerk and Joe's not, I have read some articles and quotes by Calzaghe and he has been quite mouthy over the past year himself.. This is about in ring accomplishments strictly...

I think I made a fair assessment on this and would love to here what everyone thinks, Why does Joe get Royal treatment and Floyd Gets The venemous treatment?? ;)

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Well, you say he is trying to pull the wool over our eyes with fighting Peter Manfredo Jr and lead us to believe this is a legitimate and credible fight - but almost everything i have seen calzaghe say is to the contry; hes admitited hes finding it hard to get motevaited for the fight, that its a whole new step from being a reality tv star to a world champion.

Mayweather has been able to call out anyone he wants to fight for quite some time - Calzaghe has called out hopkins for nearly 6 years and failed with hopkins stupid cash demands. He called out RJJ - now im still not certain as to why this fight never worked out, warren has claimed Jones wanted stupid money for the fight and thats the only words i have heard about it. He called out taylor and wright, wright said once about thinking about going up to 168 tf ight calzaghe, but never spoke of it again, Taylor basical said after Ouma he wnated to fight calzaghe at 168, has been saying since hopkins 160 is so hard for him to make. He beats Ouma and then starts speaking about fighting moura? the winner from the contender!

I know calzaghe hasn't got the best resume in terms of fighters, 6 formoer world champions - (around half coming off highly contreversial losses) and one world champion (lacy) isn't to bad...

Maybe someone else could do mayweather as im not certain about all his fights and whom he could of fought - but ill try and break down calzaghes 20 world title fights and mark where he REALISTICALY could of fought a better level of fighter...

1997-10-11 - Chris Eubank - Calzaghe wins the WBO title knocking down eubank in the first round and doing on to win a fairly one sided Ud. (was meant to fight Steve collins but steve sudden retirement meant calzaghe was to fight eubank)

1998-01-24 - Branko Sobot

1998-04-25 - Juan Carlos Gimenez Ferreyra

1999-02-13 - Robin Reid

1999-06-05 - Rick Thornberry

2000-01-29 - David Starie

2000-08-12 - Omar Sheika

2000-12-16 - Richie Woodhall

2001-04-28 - Mario Veit - In hindsight, not the gratest fighter at SMW lol, but coming into it Veit was 30-0 around 20 KO's and pretty highly regeraded around Europe, Calzaghe wins in round 1

2001-10-13 - Will McIntyre

2002-04-20 - Charles Brewer

2002-08-17 - Miguel Angel Jimenez

2002-12-14 - Tocker Pudwill

2003-06-28 - Byron Mitchell

2004-02-21 - Mger Mkrtchian

2004-10-22 - Kabary Salem

2005-05-07 - Mario Veit - Forced mandetory

2005-09-10 - Evans Ashira

2006-03-04 - Jeff Lacy

2006-10-14 - Sakio Bika -Calzaghe was meant to be fighting Glen Johnson here but had to pull out due to a hand Injury. again Bika may not have been the best at SMW, but he was the only one out there who was free, and the only one who had been in a world title fight (marku's WBC) and not lost (N/C cut on buyer) warren claims Kessler was offerd around £1m to fight calzaghe (i forget weather it was instead of johnson or Ashira)

2007-04-07 - Peter Manfredo Jr - after 42 fights for the first time you can honestly say there is clear cut better fighter out there that calzaghe could fight, and fight his fans want in Kessler, there are If and buts about certain thing, HBO wanting him to fight an american, Kessler only making an offer to fight in denmark etc etc

Now in all honestly, (Im trying to be totaly unbiased - i am a massive calzaghe fan, he is my second current and all time fav fighter) there is only one fight i think he deserves some stick for, and thats the manfredo fight - other than that he has fought pretty much the best out there. I will be the first to admit the overall class of fighters he has beat isn't all that great, not really his fault tho?

Again, so we are on the same page here, im talking about fights that could of happend, when people mention hopkins, taylor wright, or RJJ - i have yet to see anything that points to the fact calzaghe ducked them or priced him self out in anyway.