I watched it and Vitali WAS ahead on points.
His eye was bleeding, but that was no reason to stop the entire fight.
Vitali could of destroyed Lennox in THAT fight imho.
What do you think?
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I watched it and Vitali WAS ahead on points.
His eye was bleeding, but that was no reason to stop the entire fight.
Vitali could of destroyed Lennox in THAT fight imho.
What do you think?
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You really think Vitali should have continued?? ???
Please, it was an unfortunate way to finish a fight, but he legitimately lost
Lewis won by tko stoppage because of a cut caused by a punch. Scorecards are irrelevant (shit i've used that word so many times today).
It's like saying James Toney lost to Michael Nunn simply because Nunn was ahead before Toney Ko's him. Unless you disagree with cuts being a good enough reason to stop a fight, your topic has very little substance. ;)
To me it is an irrelevant fight because Lennox was at the end of his career and while it was competitve it didnt go on very long and i believe that if it did Lennox would prevail anyways. Vitali wasnt exactly putting on a clinic. I think it is sad that this was the highlight of Vitalis career but thats just my honest opinion
Lewis won by TKO, people who try and make out Vitali won are just retarded.
By that logic Henry Cooper beat Ali too ::**
technically lewis won that because the cut was cause by a punch. but imo vitaly would of won if it could of continued.
and this is coming from a fan of both lennex "the lion" lewis and vitaly "fatality" klitschko.
heartbrake as a fan not to see a REMATCH THOUGH.......(sad)
Lewis was winning the more later rounds of that fight, It was very competitive though...but Lewis was beginning to impose himself...Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGod
jeez how many times has this been descussed what do mean who really won this wasnt close decision victory vitalis eye was cut so bad that he could of been blinded lewis won no question how can anyone think otherwise ??
In my opinion Sergio Lyakhovich would have won against Shannon Briggs if he hadn't been punched clean out of the ring in the last 30 seconds.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGod
Maybe I should start a thread about it ??? ::**
Ok...it was the 6th round. Scorecards in the 6th round are irrelevant. Zab was also winning the fight with PBF after the 6th round scorecards. He had a cut that was one of the more gruesome we have ever seen, rarely does a cut under the eye cause a fight to be stopped but I think if it went any longer the USDA would have been the ones to to check out his eye not the ringside doctor.
Another factor is Lewis was progressively getting better and better during the fight... He seemed ill-prepared before hand, but he was getting going in the last two rounds.
Exactly. We'll never know who would have won that fight. Vitali was doing real good, but at the time of the stoppage Lewis was getting back into the fight IMO. So we'll never know who would have won had it gone on longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
I think the fight said a lot of good things about both fighters personally. Vitali obviously got the crowd behind him because he put up such a good showing against the best HW of this era and people felt bad for him to lose in such a bad way. Lennox showed me a lot because he came into the bout old and not in shape, and he showed a champions heart and managed to snatch the victory.
maybe you should, i would be on that thread, because i hate how briggs got lucky in the last second and k.oed tired sergio, and how sergio himself gave away his win to dumb luck.Quote:
Originally Posted by bilbo
As big as a fan that I'am of Vitali, he lost no if's and or but's about it.....
You ask who REALLY won the fight.....Quote:
Originally Posted by hardrock
Check here.
http://www.boxrec.com/record001853.html
hope this helps.
Cool click Bilbo that made me laugh. I seem to be clicking you everyday lately.Quote:
Originally Posted by bilbo
cc I was gonna post almost the same analogyQuote:
Originally Posted by ono
Except I was gonna use Taylor - Chavez instead. But then I didn't wanna open up that whole can of worms debate. So the Toney - Nunn analogy works juuust fine!
lol thanks for the click. I already clicked you earlier today. I'm just waiting to see if i've opened up a can of worms with this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by meowza
Most people who posted on this thread seem to have good sense .
Ive heard alot of rubbish in the past about Vitali was ahead on the cards etc , he should have won ::**
Bottom line is he got beat fair and square .
Lennox won get over it!
As much as I like vitali he simply lost that fight. I mean shit did you see his fockin eye in that fight, it was insane! Shit happens though, jeah he was ahead on points but a tko is tko and I'm glad he wasn't allowed to continue. I'm sure lewis would have been able to land on his eye a few more times, and then what? Vitali probably would have been left with one working eye! It was a legit stopage, jeah vitali was ahead on points, but how many times has this happened in the history of the sport where a fighter that's behind on points stops the other guy, to many to count! I would have loved to see a rematch, I don't care if lenox was past his prime or not, that was one of the few awesome hw fights we've had over the past couple years, and I certainly wouldn't have minded to see a rematch.
My favorite fighter (insert name here) was winning EVERY fight.
Right up until
a) the bell rang
b) he fell behind on points and lost a decision
c) he got KO'd
d) he got pounded so bad he was horrible cut and the fight HAD to be stopped
e) insert lame Klitschko excuse here for next loss
i think if no cuts or rematch vitali stops lewis but in that fight lewis won end of story
Very well saidQuote:
Originally Posted by bilbo
was going to come on here with a sarcastic witty answer saying Herol Graham also beat Julian Jackson but I see you guys beat me to it ;)
nice one
His eye wasn't bleeding, his eye was almost hanging out of his head. If you don't think that cut was reason enough to stop a fight you're an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by hardrock
Lennox took the fight lightly.....He figured that he would KO Vitaly with no problems...He had seen Wlad crumble and all the word at that time was Wlad was the more dangerous of the two...
Lennox had shades of Rahman 1 since round 2...He was tired and sloppy...Vitaly was ahead yes but by the time of the stoppage Vitaly was huffing and puffing himself....
Lewis had the experience to pull through the late rounds while tired....Wether he would have won or not I don't know but again Vitaly was not all that healthy by then...and Thats besides the cut.....
IMO if Lewis came into the fight in full readiness...In shape fighting like he had a dangerous guy in front of him he would have manhandled Vitaly....Not that I am making an excuse for Lennox conditioning in that fight...As HW Champion u should treat every fight seriously...
Point though as everyone else has said that cut was from a punch and the fight needed to be stopped.....
I don't know what you are thinking saying otherwise.......Don't know how much you know about the sport itself or how to tell if an injury is serious...But Vitaly was on the verge of losing his eye if it went much further....He wouldhave ended up blind for sure
just trying to think - who was lennox supposed to be fighting that night ? was it Byrd ?
vitali stepped in at about a month's notise didn't he when someone got injured
Kirk Johnson , Vitali was fighting on the undercard anyway . Both him and Lewis had the same noticeQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
It would explain the condition of lewisQuote:
Originally Posted by GAME
Yeah when you consider Lewis' age , weight and mentality for that fight, Vitali really should have knocked him out if he had anything about him . Mcall and Rahman took advantage took adavantge of it but Vitali was stopped in 6 rounds . Just highlights how poor Vitali was at his best .Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
he was winning...but that cut was bad...no sense in winning and losing his eye...safety wins this won..and so did Lewis...I am not a Lewis fan by no means...in fact I am looking forward to Vitali once again winning the WBC title soon....Quote:
Originally Posted by hardrock
Klitscho had an advantage before his eyelid got mangled, but lewis picked him apart after the eye got mangled. If the eye wasn't cut, it probably would have been a really close fight, but then if the dog hadn't stopped to sh!t, he would have caught the rabbit. If if if.
LENNOX WON THAT FIGHT THE STOPPAGE WAS AT THE RIGHT TIME VITALI WAS CUT REALLY BADLY AND THE CUTS WERE CAUSED BY PUNCHES AND LENNOX WAS GETTING TO HIM BY THAT POINT ANYWAY AND WOULD HAVE STOPPED HIM BY ROUND 8 AND THE CUTS WOULD HAVE BEEN EVEN WORSE IT WOULDNT HAVE BEEN FAIR ON VITALI AND HIS FUTURE FIGHTS BECAUSE HE COULD HAVE BEEN OPEN TO MORE CUTS IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE OF SCAR TISSUE
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Originally Posted by tysonbruno
And the Caps lock has been stuck for how long???
Thats all that needs to be said on the matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
Exactly mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
Cause we all know who WON and who LOST. :)
I saw the fight 4 or 5 times and all I have to say is lewis was saved by the ref. When the fight was stopped they were going toe to toe and we all know lewis has a suspect jaw so I truly feel lewis was going down, after all Vitali has never been put down.The cut was bad and Vitali knew it therefore he stepped up the action at the same time lewis stepped up the action to open the cut more so the fight could be stopped.Going toe to toe was in Vitali's favor. If the fight was not stopped Vitali with his very accurate punching W 35 (34 ko's) would have put lewis out for the third time of his career and lewis knew it thats why after the fight he ran behind the protective wall called retirement and God knows you could'nt melt that mofo and pour him on Vitali.So in my book lewis got a win over Vitali like Chris Byrd did.
Its one thing to be a nut hugger but this is beyond that. Vitali easily won the early rounds and Lewis had started to come on when the fight was stopped. Like someone else said Judah was winning after the 6th round and look how that ended. The fact is Lewis got the W via a TKO, it doesnt matter what the scorecards were or how each fighter was fighting. There are to numerous examples of a guy behind on the cards winning by (T)KO. It happens. And to say that Lewis "hid behind the protective wall of retirement" is just ignorant.Quote:
Originally Posted by USA LOVES THE KLITSCHOS
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In hindsight....i agree that the Vitali Klitschko Lennox Lewis fight
SHOULD NOT have been stopped!
Had it been allowed to continue..Vitali would have either Bled to death
Or been permanently blinded in at least one eye and hideously deformed
THEN we would not have to endure his continuous whining about Lewis and his gutless gloryseeking disrespect of rightful title challengers like Peter
just what I was thinking , I agree with Landmine aswel . Lewis was chinny ? wtf ! Down twice in his entire career , Tuas , Tysons , Rudducks , Tuckers , Morrissons , Vitalis best shots bounced off him . Lewis was in the poorest shape in his life against Vitali . He was there for the taking but Vitali had no power to speak of. Mcall and Rahman took advantage of an over confidenet Lewis . Vitali couldnt cuz he cant hit hard enough .Quote:
Originally Posted by TyBuff