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Anyone seen this before? As happened tonight when Graham Eark fought Katsidis, Earl was taking a beating and his corner threw in the towel only for the ref Mickey Vann to throw it back out and let the fight continue. Seconds later Earl knocked Katsidis down. Ive never seen a ref do this before and just wondered if anyone had?
Also I couldnt help thinking what if the worst had happened and Earl was seriously hurt after the incident, how would Mickey Vann have felt then?
That was a amazing!!
Micky Vann is an experienced ref and it appears he got it right!!
He can see their eyes and if they are slightly concussed, the corner man cant!
Tc
Fucking amazing, the first round gave me an erection, the second round I shot my load
Did he get it right? At the time Id say yes but the fight still ending with Earl quitting on his stool, who knows a fighter better than his own corner?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sweet_T
Luckily, Earl lasted longer than you!Quote:
Originally Posted by bilbo
Tc
Yup but unlike Earl now I've got the tissues I'm ready to go again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sweet_T
I'm going to try and hold on a bit longer though cos I want the Audrey knockout to be the cumshot
Tc
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The ref did it the Erik Morales-Eddie Croft fight a couple of years ago. The corner threw it in the second round. The ref just picked it up and threw it back out. There's no rule that says a ref has to stop the fight if the corner throws in the towel. If he thinks the fighter can still continue, than he won't acknowledge the towel.Quote:
Originally Posted by beerjelly
This was poor refereeing, this is why boxing sometimes cops a bad rap because of the macho thing.
Earl was never going to win this fight and that was evident from round one.
Imagine if Jay Nady had not stopped the Tszyu v Judah fight.
Could you imagine the damage that would have been done to Judah if it went into a third round!!
Zab Judah owes his life to Jay Nady.
Id have him in hospital for the night for observation thats for sure
anyone got any video?
The reason is that ONLY the referee can stop the fight!
If you throw in the towel or enter the ring your fighter will be disqualified. Loss by DQ same as if you jumped into the ring and held
the opponents arms down or hit him.
BUT usually the ref takes it as a signal and then stops the fight.
It depends on the particular rules, sometimes only the ref, sometimes the ref and doctor can stop the fight. The ref in question probably didn't like being "told" by a corner man when to end the fight.
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I think had Earl waltzed across the ring like Zab did then Vann would have stepped in. As it was the man was centre ring trading shots and just about to land his punch of the night. Its easy now to say that Earl never looked like winning (I agree with you, he looked wrong from the start) but with the benifit of hindsight he wouldnt have fought at all ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by glennf
Sorry mate but i think it was an excellent bit of refereeing, 5 seconds later earl landed a beauty of a right hand and put kat down, Didn't you see kats legs for the next 1minute after getting up?Quote:
Originally Posted by glennf
He was all over the place and it needed just one clean punch more to put him down again.
Fair enough Kat was landing clearly more shots and the power behind them was amazing, but he wasn't far from losing that fight
still hats off to both men what a performance they gave, did you say that bulge of swelling on earls left eye (Ouch)
that 2nd round was the round of the year so far! it also gave me an erection Bilbo! hahaha was a good set of fights. LOL at Audley!
Vann was proved correct, he threw out the towel then within 30 seconds Earl knocked Katsidis down. Excellent refereeing, Earl's eyes were clear, he was ready to fight.
Only the referee can stop the fight. But nobody knows there fighters like the corners do and the referee should recognize the throwing in of the towell. For a ref like Micky Vann to do that is surprising honestly.
Micky Vann was bang on. It was a fantastic decision to throw the towel back out, you are dead right DanQuote:
Originally Posted by yoitsdan
One of the best fights I have seen in the past 5 years!Katsidis is a force in the division. :o ;D
It was a corker! Loved every second of it ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
I will have the towel incident video it up shortly.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
Thats my boy Katsidis.... :)
Very nice. ccQuote:
Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
Here is the towel incident.
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I could accept that Vann was correct if the fight went the distance, however since it was stopped just two rounds later i'm not happy with the call.
I don't think any one gives a fuck that your not happy. Damn, talk about nit-picking.Quote:
Originally Posted by glennf
katsisdis is the man,phark yeah.
I think the ref was right at that moment in time. He used his experience and judged that Earl was still fighting back although taking heavy shots. Confirmed by a decent shot coming back from Earl, rocking Katsidis. Although it was ruled a knockdown I'm not sure his gloves touched down. Katsidis looked a bit shakey immediately after that and the count probably helped him clear his head.
Great fight, hope to see a bit more of Katsidis now. :)
Nit-picking! The guy ends up in Hospital you dickhead!!
hey as anyone got the Katsidis fight on video?
Klitschkofan it wont let me play your you tube towel thing!
Cant wait to see it...
I've seen it happen before. The one that immediately comes to mind is the second Louis/Schmeling fight. If you can get the video Schmeling's corner throws the towel into the ring and the ref picks it up and throws it out of the ring and it ends up hanging on the ropes.
I wouldn't say that. Zab was knocked down near the end of the 2nd. He was on rubbery legs, but he was aware. It's possible in that 60 seconds he could have recovered and went on to dominate Kostya.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
But at the same time I really didn't have a problem with the stoppage.
This happens more regularly than I'd thought at first.
The fight can only be stopped by the ref , doctor or the fighter in most modern rules.
It happened in the Danny Willimas fight recently also.
In the first Abraham Miranda fight.
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Originally Posted by beerjelly
It is more of a question on exactly who threw in the towel? (I did not see the fight) only the head cornerman can throw in the towel so if the second or the cut man did it then that is why the towel was thrown back out.
If it was the head corner man then Graham Earl lost the fight no matter what happened after the towel was tossed back out.
The only other explanation would be the old "Only the ref can stop the fight rule" but I am not sure if that applies to the towel being thrown in.
I may be wrong but that is always how I thought it worked.
Most commisions no longer let you throw in a towel,the corners got to signal to the ref
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
Really? Why no more towel?
I thought the towel was the signal lol.
Its a hazard,if the ref doesnt see it,or the other fighter doesnt see it,theyre going skatingQuote:
Originally Posted by Put Em' UpQuote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
Really? Why no more towel?
I thought the towel was the signal lol.
:lolhaha:Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyIts a hazard,if the ref doesnt see it,or the other fighter doesnt see it,theyre going skatingQuote:
Originally Posted by Put Em' UpQuote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
Really? Why no more towel?
I thought the towel was the signal lol.
That's ridiculous. Health and safety gone mad.
So they decided there's more chance of someone injuring themselves slipping on a towel than a fighter taking unnecessary blows because a corner can't get the refs attention?
Most of the time,the ref's got a better view of the fighter anyway. Most of the time its the ref or the ring doctor who pulls the fight long before the corner wanted it stoppedQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster:lolhaha:Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyIts a hazard,if the ref doesnt see it,or the other fighter doesnt see it,theyre going skatingQuote:
Originally Posted by Put Em' Up
That's ridiculous. Health and safety gone mad.
So they decided there's more chance of someone injuring themselves slipping on a towel than a fighter taking unnecessary blows because a corner can't get the refs attention?
I completely disagree..Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Judah's inexperiance and immaturity cost him that fight and if he had of taken a knee he wouldnt have gotten stopped.. Zab did well in the first round and before that tzsyu punch the fight wasnt a white wash.. it was just the legs.. he got up too soon, didnt have his whits about him and it cost him the fight.. i honestly dont even think it was a murderous punch..