I think Kessler stops Calzaghe in 9 rounds after dropping him a few times these are the fights Joe needs not Manfredo and Sakio Bika and chasing old man Hopkins and past it Tarver
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I think Kessler stops Calzaghe in 9 rounds after dropping him a few times these are the fights Joe needs not Manfredo and Sakio Bika and chasing old man Hopkins and past it Tarver
Kessler wins. Why you think Calzaghe is doing every thing he can to avoid fighting him?
Its a massive shame this fight is'nt happening instead of the manfredo fight i would have gone to watch that.
Calzaghe schools Kessler after a tricky oppening stanza.
I think Kessler. Because while I believe Calzaghe to be the better fighter, it's obvious that he's scared to death of Kessler.
Much the same reason I think Margarito would beat PBF. I don't think he's near the fighter PBF is, but there's something about that big, ugly, hard-hitting Mexican that puts the fear of death in Mayweather. You can see the bitch in his eye. Once you fear an opponent. You might as well pack it up.
And why is his fear so obvious?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Brockton Bomber
Im sure there have been many situations where the fear has been higher. How much of Kessler have you really seen? What is it about Kessler that is so dangerous for Calzaghe? Yes, he is big, but isnt he a bit robotic and predictable? What is it that Kessler holds over Calzaghe? ::**
Please tell me...
i cant help but look past calzaghes speed - ud for joe
calzaghe wins a decision by miles i reckon. i really dont think kessler is anything special.
we better see this fight.
It honestly makes me laugh when you clowns claim that Calzaghe is scared - if you think that you know NOTHING about the guy. Think waht you will about his record etc, but trut me he aint scared of Kessler LMAO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brockton Bomber
As far as the fight goes, I think a 35 year old Calzaghe with knackered hands has a real struggle with Kessler, but still wins ;)
You must be blind if you can't see his fear. If he's not scared. Than answer this. Why isn't he fighting Kessler? What exactly is the reason? Kessler is clearly a better fighter than Manfredo and Bika. So him not being unworthy is not it. Kessler's expressed an interest in facing Calzaghe. So it's not if Kessler's unwilling. Joe stands to make a career high purse if they fight. So he would be getting paid. [size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt]So why ain't he fighting Kessler? [/size][/size][/size]Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
we want Calzaghe vs Kessler for the summer then he should move to light heavy
The threads over right there. Kessler has the official Violent Demise kiss of death.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
JC's not scared of Kessler, yeah he should be fighting him instead of reality boy but
he thinks this fight will launch him in the USA, if JC was to be scared out of a fight from anyone
it would have been Lacy, Lacy was talked up like he was gonna kill JC in the first round, before Lacy-JC
if u asked anyone who was better Lacy or Kessler what u think the answer would be?
Calzaghe may duck guys DUE TO HIS COCK OF A PROMOTER but scared he ain't!
why did'nt Calzaghe ever move upto light heavy he went on about it often enough after a bad fight im struggling with weight he would say im moving up but never did excuses excuses then he was gunna fight the Woods vs Johnson winner they have a war Woods wins and what does Calzaghe do fight Pete Manfredo i hope Pete beats him
not because he's scared, you're never scared to fight someone good when you're a champ. the reasons are money, place, lost of ranking/fame/cash possibilities....but being afraid to fight someone just because you're scared ?? they won't be at that level otherwise.Quote:
So why ain't he fighting Kessler?
when you're an amateur you don't know against who you're going to fight, if you're already scared each time you see a good boxer, you don't turn pro ^^
IMO Calzaghe is a far better boxer than Kessler...and has all the toll to win agaisnt him...
Sure Calzaghe vs kessler would be a good bout, but Calzaghe vs Roy Jones or Hopkins is on my wishlist first ^^
Calzaghe-Bika and Calzaghe-Manfredo were on your wish list to. Right?Quote:
Originally Posted by SEB
When Calzaghe as retired and we look back we won't beable to pick out a career defining fight because bottom line is he has'nt fought anybody. ;)
He don't need to retire for me to do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by tysonbruno
Oh this is such a good thread...
Anywho, while I do not think that Joe is scared of Kess...he is indeed avoiding him & that is the smart thing to do.
If you look at Joe's record & try to tear it apart fighter by fighter...you may think that you have a case...but Joe has fought some good fighters & made them look bad...just as Kessler has.
The thing with both men's records is that a lot of people England & the U.S. either don't know the fighters or they just want to hate for the sake of hating on Calzaghe because he is a backyard champion...I totally disagree with that due to the fact that many other fighters stay in their homeland & never get scolded for the same faults that they lash Joe with. Sit down & scan Joe's career. Watch him work. Those losses didn't just climb through the ropes & happen...he made them drop & stop.
As far as Kessler goes...I say that he has the tools to beat Joe & if he's gonna do it...now might be the time...but I doubt the fight get's made unless HBO takes a shine to Kessler. Joe's fight against Manfredo (hate it as much as I do) was a smart marketing ploy...but it does little for his career...in fact...as little as it does...it does more than a fight with Kessler.
No one really REALLY knows Kessler & those that do don't rate him...which is the same error that they make with Joe & based on the same grounds...most have never seen him or have seen to little.
Anywho...I say that Kessler could beat Calzaghe at this time. Joe's hands are going & they are going fast. If he doesn't make short work of Manfredo...it could ruin his chances in the future & fighting once a year does little for Joe all the way around. Kessler is younger, stronger, & more active...Joe's advantage lies in his speed & reflexes.
I honestly think that Kessler would be the fight of Joe's career & would be more defining than the Lacy win. Laugh all you want...but a win & an explosive/competitive fight would speak bounds for Calzaghe. The question remains...could he win against Kessler?
what would be better than 2 undeafeated champions battling it out for undisputed status!...........i dont know why calzaghe hasnt made this fight happen,i understand why alot of people think his scared of kess,cause thats how it looks but maybe his not its just his cock manager convincing him to fight reality tv bums with no cerdibility...............but i would deffinatly pay to see this fight,i think kessler is to good for joe,but well probably never find out cause this fight will never happen
Welcome to the forum. Have the Obligatory Wacko Welcome Wagon :coolclick:Quote:
Originally Posted by spanky-banky
Honestly, I sympathize with Joe. The Kessler fight get's pushed to the back burner because there are bigger fights out there for Calzaghe & more money to be made against names that are established in the boxing community.
Manfredo equates to more viewers outside the HBO box. The Contender, as cheesey as it was to most die hards, carried a lot of weight with average Joe & would pull in a shitload of viewers that Kessler couldn't...even though he is the better fighter compared to Manfredo...he's nearly an unknown to American fight fans & that is what Joe is after right now...American fight fans & American super fights.
Then we have it Joe and Warren is smarter than the Danish team. Kessler should just take on on other contender star in order to qulify for a unification match, then get ready to meet Joe. I wonder if the belt have lost all the value. Kessler has WBA and WBC belts Joe the WBO ( had the IBF) that is a fight I would pay to watch and that would be big in Europe in the states too maybe ?Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
The Danish team thought so, wonder if Joe and Warren would give Kessler a match if Kessler beats Andrade ? or would they need more proof of Kesslers qualities.
Kessler and Andrade is on HBO by the way so we can hope for a great fight.
Kessler beat Beyer good he's better than Calzaghe right now
Realisticly there's a lot bigger chance of Calzaghe-Kessler ever happening, if Kessler looks absolutely terrible against Andrade (but just manages to hold on to his belts).
But as long as Kessler looks like a credible opponent chances Calzaghe will want to fight him are minimal.
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Kessler wants the bout, and considering the fact that the bout hasnt happened, we know who does not want the fight
Calzaghe needs kessler Jeff lacy was over hyped and going on his last fight that he struggled to win it does'nt make calzaghes win over him lok that good
Don't you think that Lacy's last performance may have something to do with the beating he took against Calzaghe - Nobody is gonna be the same after that. 1000 Punches landed!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by tysonbruno
Or maybe if Kessler looks a million dollars HBO will demand the fight. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by dumdane
Exactly, Lacy has had some of the fight knocked out of him. It would explain the time it took for him to comeback, and the lacklustre performance...Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
If i was a Calzaghe fan, i'd definitely go for that angle as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
It's soooo convenient.
Lacy was reeeeally the best thing since sliced bread - but Joe just completely ruined him - right ::**
You take my argument and twist it something silly. Calzaghe hasnt completely ruined Lacy. But that fight would have had an impact, would it not?? You dont go to a hostile venue and take a beating smelling of roses, do you??Quote:
Originally Posted by dumdane
Lacy is a decent fighter and its a shame about his injury..no he isnt the finished article by a long shot but he is a decent fighter nonetheless. ::**
there have been a few proven fighter who have takning beating like lacy did and not come back from it - no one is saying lacy was the best thing since sliced bread.Quote:
Originally Posted by dumdane
According to half the world Lacy was the best thing since sliced bread - 'The Middleweight Mike Tyson,' poster boy at Superbowl etc etc. But suddenly he was just undertested and overhyped.But I am sure you were going round telling everybody how bad Lacy was before the Calzaghe fight and were totally unsurprised by how the fight wentQuote:
Originally Posted by dumdane
Yeh right ::**
I reckon that was the most one sided world title fight in memory
So either
a.) Lacy is one of the worst world champions ever (which means he fooled the world in a an incredible way to be be talked about top 5 p4p if he won and being the second coming for Boxing)
or...........
b.) Calzaghe may actually me a little bit good
I reckon on the basis of only losing 4 amatuer fights in 130 (all when he was a teenager) winning 3 consecutive ABA belts, being the longest reigning world champion in boxing (still waiting to here who HE has ducked during his reign) and never looking even remotely like losing a fight (even if he did get caught by Mitchelll)
I would lean very slightly towards option B ;)
I just want to see Joe in a good fight the Kessler fight would be great or perhaps a move upto light heavy and fight Chad Dawson he needs the best now he's coming to the end of his career if he had a run of 4 top names to end his career he would definately go down as a british boxing legend
He has undoubtedly lost his best years coz of his hands and been fooked up over his divorce and court case.Quote:
Originally Posted by tysonbruno
I know he personally hasn't ducked anybody. There were some fights that he coul've had, but they didn't happen coz of Frank Warren and coz of other parties pricing themselves out of fights - but he would never duck anyone through fear
If you look at the Super Middleweight division during his reign, you can't really find any better fights that he could've had in that division.
Agreed he MUST fight Kessler and AGREED Manfredo and Bika are pathetic follow ups to the Lacy win
Loisng patience with him myself - but still totally convinced about his ability.
I feel sorry for him that he did'nt come along at the time of Benn,Eubank,Collins,Toney,Jones and Nunn But that is'nt his fault it was a stronger division in early to mid 90's
CC good points. Still can't get over the ABA not taking himt o the olympics, dumbest move ever. who the hell drops a fighter from the Olympics coz hes so good he was embarresing people? don't make sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
I agree is much easier to fight a tv fighter lol
A decent fighter most definitely. Perhaps more than that too (hopefully time will tell). I'd still rate him arround top-5 SMW and it's quite possible he's better than that. If the hype hadn't been so off the scales out of proportion I can also see why so many ppl liked Lacy (Hype was so bad it even made me root for Calzaghe at the time ;D).Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
But i still object to the notion that if Lacy did/does not look impressive following the Calzaghe fight, it's because Joe ruined him. It's possible the beating he took plays a role. But the extend of it is not at all a proven fact. Lacy was not THAT proven to begin with.
And as for the damage he took in the Calzaghe fight. On a psychological level it MIGHT have changed him. But that's pure speculation. I think the physical effect of the manny blows he took is a bit overrated as the wast majority were your typical swarming but inaccurate and less than powerfull Calzaghe slaps. His face did look a right bloodied mess after the fight. But slaps do tend to create a large amount of relatively superficial damage don't they?
The talk about how great Lacy's chin was since he remained standing is a bit off the mark in my opinion since very few of them were heavy blows.
The credit he got for his mental strength to stay on his feet despite being outclassed badly is fully deserved though. But what is there to suggest he kept that mental strength throughout the beating - but then would have lost it afterwards?