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What does Floyd have to do to change your mind?
Ok, I have a question for you guys.
One of the constant debates here is over Floyd's level of competition. While just about everyone respects his talent and skills, the anti-Floyd crowd believes he hasn't fought top notch opponents.
I don't necessarily agree with this, but I can see the logic behind the argument and I can respect those who want to see him step up his level of competition.
My question for you is: Who does he have to fight to get you to stop criticizing his list of opponents?
For example, if he beats DLH and then fights Mosley, will that be enough? If it's DLH and then Hatton, will that be enough? Does it need to be DLH, Mosley, and Tony "Overrated" Margarito :D??
Will he not have your respect until he fights Cotto?
Tell me exactly who he needs to fight to be able to say he's fought the best out there. Then I'll know where you guys are coming from.
Don't answer, "Floyd needs to start taking risks and fighting hungry young fighters." That doesn't tell me anything. Tell me exactly WHO he needs to fight, and WHEN, in order for him to earn your respect.
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Re: What does Floyd have to do to change your mind?
Good question.
De La Hoya, Mosley, Cotto would be nice. If he beats Oscar than I see no sense in fighting Hatton.
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It'll never be enough for his critics. As soon as Mayweather beats De La Hoya, De La Hoya becomes an old fighter. Mayweather can go up to heavyweight and knock out Samuel Peter and his critics will rush to say Peter was one-dimensional. He'll never would of done that to Wlad. His critics are quick to knock him for avoiding fighting better fighters than he's faced. But they ignored the fact that Hatton and Cotto are the ones who prevented fights from happening.
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Re: What does Floyd have to do to change your mind?
cc good question
If I had a chance to interview Floyd's most ardent hater out there, this is the first thing I'd ask them.
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
It'll never be enough for his critics. As soon as Mayweather beats De La Hoya, De La Hoya becomes an old fighter. Mayweather can go up to heavyweight and knock out Samuel Peter and his critics will rush to say Peter was one-dimensional. He'll never would of done that to Wlad. His critics are quick to knock him for avoiding fighting better fighters than he's faced. But they ignored the fact that Hatton and Cotto are the ones who prevented fights from happening.
and cc that's basically what I wanted to say
There are people who have it set in their mind that they're gonna hate him no matter what.
Because he'll never be able to beat absolutely everyone out there in this sport where top fighters only fight a couple times a year, haters will always be able to pull some random name out and justify their choice with skewed stats.
I am so sick of hearing Margarito's name every time Floyds opponents are in question.
Floyd could beat 80 men with his arms tied behind his back and people will still say, "Oh yeah, well he ducked Margarito!" when Margarito did nothing to prove he deserves a shot at him yet.
He's just one of those guys that some people will always hate no matter what he does.
If he goes through ODLH, Mosley, Cotto, MArgarito, Ricky, someone out there will stand up and say, "I don't care. He lost to Castillo!"
I mean come on
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Re: What does Floyd have to do to change your mind?
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
It'll never be enough for his critics. As soon as Mayweather beats De La Hoya, De La Hoya becomes an old fighter. Mayweather can go up to heavyweight and knock out Samuel Peter and his critics will rush to say Peter was one-dimensional. He'll never would of done that to Wlad. His critics are quick to knock him for avoiding fighting better fighters than he's faced. But they ignored the fact that Hatton and Cotto are the ones who prevented fights from happening.
dont forget about mosely
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Re: What does Floyd have to do to change your mind?
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Originally Posted by meowza
cc good question
If I had a chance to interview Floyd's most ardent hater out there, this is the first thing I'd ask them.
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
It'll never be enough for his critics. As soon as Mayweather beats De La Hoya, De La Hoya becomes an old fighter. Mayweather can go up to heavyweight and knock out Samuel Peter and his critics will rush to say Peter was one-dimensional. He'll never would of done that to Wlad. His critics are quick to knock him for avoiding fighting better fighters than he's faced. But they ignored the fact that Hatton and Cotto are the ones who prevented fights from happening.
and cc that's basically what I wanted to say
There are people who have it set in their mind that they're gonna hate him no matter what.
Because he'll never be able to beat absolutely everyone out there in this sport where top fighters only fight a couple times a year, haters will always be able to pull some random name out and justify their choice with skewed stats.
I am so sick of hearing Margarito's name every time Floyds opponents are in question.
Floyd could beat 80 men with his arms tied behind his back and people will still say, "Oh yeah, well he ducked Margarito!" when Margarito did nothing to prove he deserves a shot at him yet.
He's just one of those guys that some people will always hate no matter what he does.
If he goes through ODLH, Mosley, Cotto, MArgarito, Ricky, someone out there will stand up and say, "I don't care. He lost to Castillo!"
I mean come on
ODLH, Cotto, then Mosley. In this order. But a question I have is what is to be said of PBF's competition legacy if ODH smokes him out of the ring within 4-5 rounds. Sounds like Naseem the sequel if it ends this way. Cotto has not earned the right to be PBF's finale if PBF turns out to be all he believes that he is.
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Re: What does Floyd have to do to change your mind?
In my mind...It's not about who...as much as it is about HOW!
Dominating ,devastating KO wins make the difference!
Styles make fights and fights make fighters into legends!
Running, pick, peck, duck , dodge. decision win...does not a hero or fan favorite make..
Is that clear enough?
The better the fighters you destroy, the greater the legacy!
Fight all comers, KO them the f#ck out!
NO ONE can bad mouth you then...if they do..they are morons.
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Re: What does Floyd have to do to change your mind?
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Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxing
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Originally Posted by meowza
cc good question
If I had a chance to interview Floyd's most ardent hater out there, this is the first thing I'd ask them.
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
It'll never be enough for his critics. As soon as Mayweather beats De La Hoya, De La Hoya becomes an old fighter. Mayweather can go up to heavyweight and knock out Samuel Peter and his critics will rush to say Peter was one-dimensional. He'll never would of done that to Wlad. His critics are quick to knock him for avoiding fighting better fighters than he's faced. But they ignored the fact that Hatton and Cotto are the ones who prevented fights from happening.
and cc that's basically what I wanted to say
There are people who have it set in their mind that they're gonna hate him no matter what.
Because he'll never be able to beat absolutely everyone out there in this sport where top fighters only fight a couple times a year, haters will always be able to pull some random name out and justify their choice with skewed stats.
I am so sick of hearing Margarito's name every time Floyds opponents are in question.
Floyd could beat 80 men with his arms tied behind his back and people will still say, "Oh yeah, well he ducked Margarito!" when Margarito did nothing to prove he deserves a shot at him yet.
He's just one of those guys that some people will always hate no matter what he does.
If he goes through ODLH, Mosley, Cotto, MArgarito, Ricky, someone out there will stand up and say, "I don't care. He lost to Castillo!"
I mean come on
ODLH, Cotto, then Mosley. In this order. But a question I have is what is to be said of PBF's competition legacy if ODH smokes him out of the ring within 4-5 rounds. Sounds like Naseem the sequel if it ends this way.
Cotto has not earned the right to be PBF's finale if PBF turns out to be all he believes that he is.
IF by the time Floyd gets through ODLH and Mosley, and Cotto continues to be as active as his camp claims he'll be, and Cotto continues to live up to the hype that he is in fact the real deal future, he might very well be a legitimate opponent to really cement Floyd's legacy.
I mean from now until Floyd fights Shane, Cotto may have very well fought 4 or 5 times. And if he gets some names in that mix and beats them, he'd be a real legitimate Floyd opponent.
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Re: What does Floyd have to do to change your mind?
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Originally Posted by landmine950
In my mind...It's not about who...as much as it is about HOW!
Dominating ,devastating KO wins make the difference!
Styles make fights and fights make fighters into legends!
Running, pick, peck, duck , dodge. decision win...does not a hero or fan favorite make..
Is that clear enough?
The better the fighters you destroy, the greater the legacy!
Fight all comers, KO them the f#ck out!
NO ONE can bad mouth you then...if they do..they are morons.
If that's the case than what the fuck made you a Valuev groupie? And no, those "gag on this" private sessions he gives you don't count as a good enough reason.
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Re: What does Floyd have to do to change your mind?
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Originally Posted by landmine950
In my mind...It's not about who...as much as it is about HOW!
Dominating ,devastating KO wins make the difference!
Styles make fights and fights make fighters into legends!
Running, pick, peck, duck , dodge. decision win...does not a hero or fan favorite make..
Is that clear enough?
Well see, this argument I can't really agree with. It does matter WHO he fights more than whether he KOs them or not.
Pernell Whitaker never KO'd a big-name fighter in his entire career. All his big fights were decisions, and he never even came close to KO against any of those opponents. Did that make him any less of a fighter?
Mayweather isn't a KO artist, especially at 147 or 154. He's going to outbox guys. If he won unanimous decisions over DLH, Mosley and Cotto, do those wins not count for much because he didn't KO them?? I can't agree with that at all.
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Re: What does Floyd have to do to change your mind?
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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Originally Posted by landmine950
In my mind...It's not about who...as much as it is about HOW!
Dominating ,devastating KO wins make the difference!
Styles make fights and fights make fighters into legends!
Running, pick, peck, duck , dodge. decision win...does not a hero or fan favorite make..
Is that clear enough?
Well see, this argument I can't really agree with. It does matter WHO he fights more than whether he KOs them or not.
Pernell Whitaker never KO'd a big-name fighter in his entire career. All his big fights were decisions, and he never even came close to KO against any of those opponents. Did that make him any less of a fighter?
Mayweather isn't a KO artist, especially at 147 or 154. He's going to outbox guys. If he won unanimous decisions over DLH, Mosley and Cotto, do those wins not count for much because he didn't KO them?? I can't agree with that at all.
I didn't say it doesnt matter
i said its not AS MUCH about who
did it make Pernell less of a fighter? YES!
do you think if all those decision wins were huge KO's he wouldn't be more of a legend? of course...I'm talking IF's here.....Ideal situations..
In my opinion public opinion is swayed more by the HOW than by the WHO
Tyson's huge Ko string to start his career is a great example!
It generated HUGE public interest in people who probably couldn't even NAME ONE guy he KO'd!
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Re: What does Floyd have to do to change your mind?
Floyd will win this easier than most expect.
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by landmine950
In my mind...It's not about who...as much as it is about HOW!
Dominating ,devastating KO wins make the difference!
Styles make fights and fights make fighters into legends!
Running, pick, peck, duck , dodge. decision win...does not a hero or fan favorite make..
Is that clear enough?
The better the fighters you destroy, the greater the legacy!
Fight all comers, KO them the f#ck out!
NO ONE can bad mouth you then...if they do..they are morons.
If that's the case than what the F*** made you a Valuev groupie? And no, those "gag on this" private sessions he gives you don't count as a good enough reason.
Must be those 34 KO's!!!! oh ya and the 46-0
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Originally Posted by TheDukeof74
Floyd will win this easier than most expect.
I hate to agree with you.......
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Re: What does Floyd have to do to change your mind?
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Originally Posted by landmine950
In my opinion public opinion is swayed more by the HOW than by the WHO
Tyson's huge Ko string to start his career is a great example!
It generated HUGE public interest in people who probably couldn't even NAME ONE guy he KO'd!
Ya, the huge string of KOs led to him becoming one of the most overrated fighters in the history of the sport, and got people to ignore his flaws that would ultimately lead to his undoing against greater fighters such as Holyfield.
KO's didn't make Tyson a better fighter, just made him appear greater to casual boxing fans.
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Here's my take. Mayweather is a great fighter but he's his own worst enemy. When you walk around telling everyone your the best ever, you need to be able to prove it with who you've beaten. He just doesn't have that impressive group of wins that the legendary fighters have. He is a great fighter, but his problem is his egos so big being one of the best is not good enough for him. He is great, but not the best ever, not even top 5. And he probably wont be top 20 after May 5th. If he beats Oscar, then Cotto and maybe another top opponent like Shane Mosley, then he will be in my list for the best ever, until then, I just wish he'd let his fights speak for themselves. Oh, and he should have at least one loss to Castillo.
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Re: What does Floyd have to do to change your mind?
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Originally Posted by bigjess31
Here's my take. Mayweather is a great fighter but he's his own worst enemy. When you walk around telling everyone your the best ever, you need to be able to prove it with who you've beaten. He just doesn't have that impressive group of wins that the legendary fighters have. He is a great fighter, but his problem is his egos so big being one of the best is not good enough for him. He is great, but not the best ever, not even top 5. And he probably wont be top 20 after May 5th. If he beats Oscar, then Cotto and maybe another top opponent like Shane Mosley, then he will be in my list for the best ever, until then, I just wish he'd let his fights speak for themselves. Oh, and he should have at least one loss to Castillo.
In Floyd's defense, it takes two to make a fight.
Who should he fought on his way up? Margarito? Hatton?
What could he have done with the options given to him?
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Originally Posted by bigjess31
He is great, but not the best ever, not even top 5. And he probably wont be top 20 after May 5th. If he beats Oscar, then Cotto and maybe another top opponent like Shane Mosley, then he will be in my list for the best ever,
I agree with this statement completely.
Right now, I'd rank Floyd somewhere in the Top 50 or so all-time, and he needs several big wins to get up into the Top 15/20 or so.
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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Originally Posted by landmine950
In my opinion public opinion is swayed more by the HOW than by the WHO
Tyson's huge Ko string to start his career is a great example!
It generated HUGE public interest in people who probably couldn't even NAME ONE guy he KO'd!
Ya, the huge string of KOs led to him becoming one of the most overrated fighters in the history of the sport, and got people to ignore his flaws that would ultimately lead to his undoing against greater fighters such as Holyfield.
KO's didn't make Tyson a better fighter, just made him appear greater to casual boxing fans.
Ya HUGELY OVERRATED!! esp by Trevor Berbick when Tyson became
THE YOUNGEST HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION IN The HISTORY OF ThE WORLD!
Overrate that!?
And I'm glad that you have agreed with me and verified my point!
"made him appear to be greater!"
its all about public opinion..Ali is the greatest because the most people SAY he's the greatest.. thats all....DIG?
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Originally Posted by landmine950
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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Originally Posted by landmine950
In my opinion public opinion is swayed more by the HOW than by the WHO
Tyson's huge Ko string to start his career is a great example!
It generated HUGE public interest in people who probably couldn't even NAME ONE guy he KO'd!
Ya, the huge string of KOs led to him becoming one of the most overrated fighters in the history of the sport, and got people to ignore his flaws that would ultimately lead to his undoing against greater fighters such as Holyfield.
KO's didn't make Tyson a better fighter, just made him appear greater to casual boxing fans.
Ya HUGELY OVERRATED!! esp by Trevor Berbick when Tyson became
THE YOUNGEST HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION IN The HISTORY OF ThE WORLD!
Overrate that!?
And I'm glad that you have agreed with me and verified my point!
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made him appear to be greater!"
its all about public opinion..Ali
is the greatest because the most people SAY he's the greatest.. thats all....DIG?
I have no idea what you just tried to say.
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Re: What does Floyd have to do to change your mind?
1. STFU!!
2. Fight (Not run)
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I don't need to see Floyd knock people out to prove to me he is a great fighter...that is obviously not his style. As it stands right now, he is an exceptionally talented fighter who as of yet has no where near the resume to be called an all time great. Oscar is certainly a good start. Mosely could be interesting, as would Cotto. Can his critics make a point that beating Delahoya and Mosely right now doesn't hold as much value as if he faced them years ago...yes...that is a valid point. BUT, they are a huge step up in level to who has fought in recent years. I don't doubt Floyd's skill. But if he, and anyone else, thinks he should be mentioned in the same breath as guys like Sugar Ray Robinson, Ali, Leonard, etc..............that is just ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
1. STFU!!
2. Fight (Not run)
So you're saying that no matter how many top fighters he fights, he won't gain your respect unless he brawls instead of boxing??
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
1. STFU!!
2. Fight (Not run)
You might add 3. Don't act like a clown...
at least when regarding the presscon with ODH...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DGZIc59tAc
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To change my mind?
Fist of all make big fights. Oscar is a big fat well done in my book. ;)
Secondly, make more exchanges in a fight... You know, engage a little more. ::**
If he can't do that then fine fight some one smaller, like Mosley or Cotto.
If he runs from them, he might was well just keep running all the way back down to 140. >:mad
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Originally Posted by JohnnyKickAss
Thats OK by me, he can act fool all he want's thats his image not mine not his opponents or his entourage, but HIS.....
I saw that what a fool...... really. ::**
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
1. STFU!!
2. Fight (Not run)
AGREED!!!
Not saying he needs to brawl, but he needs to remember it's a fight and not a track meet. His defense is good enough to stay in range and still be smart.
He could NEVER brawl, if he tried to he'd be KTFO by any kind of fighter...his hands are too brittle and he has NO power above 140.
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I dont know, I think those who really hate on him may simply always do so. One thing I do think would benefit his legacy a hell of a lot, and silence even his biggest detractors, would be if he won a very close fight, and battled back to do so. If ppl saw him hurt, in trouble, to the point where he had to dig deep just to survive the round and keep fighting, then I think that would change some peoples minds.. Not mine, and I know for one thing Mayweather would never take unneccesary risks in the ring(which is why alot of ppl dislike him, in truth). But If he met the right opponent who could bring out another side to him, who could hurt him and make him trade a little bit, it would be basically the one thing we haven't seen from Floyd yet. Sure, Castillo I was a razor thin fight and many thought Floyd deserved to lose, but it was hardly the scenario Im describing. Floyd was never actually hurt or in danger of losing big, he simply let his foot off the gas in some of the middle rounds and waited too late to start landing big shots. It was still very very close, but he didn't close the show or overcome adversity in the fight. And it's no fault of his really, especially considering how effortlessly he won the rematch. Take Pernell Whittaker, for instance, and for one who can be compared to Floyd, had overcame adversity alot more in his career then Floyd has yet, plain and simple. He was robbed overseas against Ramirez, got sloppy and dropped on his ass by Roger Mayweather in a great fight that he came back to win via stoppage, he was royally screwed against Chavez with the draw, was in a fight all the way through against Buddy McGirt the first time round, had to come back from early KD's and a huge point defecit to stop Disobleys Hurtado in the 11th, then went on to lose a very contraversial fight with the Golden boy, took a man sized beating as a shell of himself against Trinidad... Those are all things that make people respect and appreciate a fighter, and Floyd hasn't had too many of those moments in his career. Now couple that with the fact that Sweet P still doesn't get his respect from alot of ppl, and many don't even know who he is, and I don't think its that surprising that Floyd is on the receiving end of alot of hate, and may not be appreciated in the future either. Just the way it goes, those who watched his fights will always know he was a great fighter.
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
1. STFU!!
2. Fight (Not run)
AGREED!!!
Not saying he needs to brawl, but he needs to remember it's a fight and not a track meet. His defense is good enough to stay in range and still be smart.
He could NEVER brawl, if he tried to he'd be KTFO by any kind of fighter...his hands are too brittle and he has NO power above 140.
im curious, lyle...........
what did you think of pernell whitaker when he was fighting?
he is maybe my fav of all time (will probably be replaced by floyd when all is said and done)
you could make an arguement to say that he "ran" (boxed ;)) more than mayweather, but when people talk about him all you ever hear is what a great boxer and defensive wizard he was (he was ;)) and that hes an all time great (he is)
i remember pernell fights where he would slip a few punches, counter, and then literally turn his back and jog away from the guy
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Originally Posted by Jimboogie
To change my mind?
Fist of all make big fights. Oscar is a big fat well done in my book. ;)
Secondly, make more exchanges in a fight... You know, engage a little more. ::**
If he can't do that then fine fight some one smaller, like Mosley or Cotto.
If he runs from them, he might was well just keep running all the way back down to 140. >:mad
i recall mayweather trying vigourously to make these fights happen somewhat recently
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For everyone who says he should fight Cotto, just think real hard about who promotes Miguel, and how his relationship with Floyd is fairing these days. People can be quite blind to the promotional side of things. Bob Arum would not ALLOW Cotto to fight Floyd, unless he himself was absolutely positive that he had a great chance of winning the fight. I don't think Cotto's there yet. Judah's a great step up for him, and he deserves credit for taking that fight. But don't get carried away and just yell out names that Floyd should fight without thinking about whether they will realistically be made.
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judahs gonna whoop cotto.............. just wait
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If he beats OLDH, I'll put him Top 20 p4p all time. If he beats OLDH, then beats or makes a fight of it with Winky at 154, (Yes I realize Winky is fighting B-Hop at 170), then beats Cotto, Margarito or Mosley, he'll be Top 5 in my book.
Yes, I like to see knockouts. And yes, I'd like to see PBF pushed a little bit. But I don't think if he walks through the opponents above with decisions you can deny his greatness.
PS- I really don't like PBF, and don't give him much of a chance to get thru all of the fighters listed above.
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Originally Posted by Brockton Bomber
If he beats OLDH, I'll put him Top 20 p4p all time. If he beats OLDH, then beats or makes a fight of it with Winky at 154, (Yes I realize Winky is fighting B-Hop at 170), then beats Cotto, Margarito or Mosley, he'll be Top 5 in my book.
Yes, I like to see knockouts. And yes, I'd like to see PBF pushed a little bit. But I don't think if he walks through the opponents above with decisions you can deny his greatness.
PS- I really don't like PBF, and don't give him much of a chance to get thru all of the fighters listed above.
winky, mosely, hatton, cotto (IF he beats judah and another big name, and no quintana doesnt count as a big name ;)) are the guys to beat if he wants to cement his all time great status.
and why would you include margarito with the likes of delahoya and mosely??? the guy is a fucking journeyman
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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
Good question.
De La Hoya, Mosley, Cotto would be nice. If he beats Oscar than I see no sense in fighting Hatton.
That's the list I agree with. Hatton is not a real threat to him and Cotto is the best fight out there for him because Oscar is certainly not what he once was speed wise and Mosley is a bit of a question mark at this age.
BTW SweetPea, I know you say you don't think his level of competition is that bad but it surely doesn't warrant p4p status.
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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
1. STFU!!
2. Fight (Not run)
AGREED!!!
Not saying he needs to brawl, but he needs to remember it's a fight and not a track meet. His defense is good enough to stay in range and still be smart.
He could NEVER brawl, if he tried to he'd be KTFO by any kind of fighter...his hands are too brittle and he has NO power above 140.
im curious, lyle...........
what did you think of pernell whitaker when he was fighting?
he is maybe my fav of all time (will probably be replaced by floyd when all is said and done)
you could make an arguement to say that he "ran" (boxed ;)) more than mayweather, but when people talk about him all you ever hear is what a great boxer and defensive wizard he was (he was ;)) and that hes an all time great (he is)
i remember pernell fights where he would slip a few punches, counter, and then literally turn his back and jog away from the guy
Pernell did that, turning his back and walking away, HOWEVER he did STAND AND FIGHT a lot as well
And people who bring up Willie Pep must note that he didn't always run away either....he'd stay in close, slip and counter and do some damage.
And also, more importantly Pep and Whittaker took chances!
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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
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Originally Posted by Jimboogie
To change my mind?
Fist of all make big fights. Oscar is a big fat well done in my book. ;)
Secondly, make more exchanges in a fight... You know, engage a little more. ::**
If he can't do that then fine fight some one smaller, like Mosley or Cotto.
If he runs from them, he might was well just keep running all the way back down to 140. >:mad
i recall mayweather trying vigourously to make these fights happen somewhat recently
Not for nothing frozen but I don't really believe he was trying to make those fights. He's a bullshit artist. He's always contradicting himself in regards to the guys he should be fighting.
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
1. STFU!!
2. Fight (Not run)
AGREED!!!
Not saying he needs to brawl, but he needs to remember it's a fight and not a track meet. His defense is good enough to stay in range and still be smart.
He could NEVER brawl, if he tried to he'd be KTFO by any kind of fighter...his hands are too brittle and he has NO power above 140.
im curious, lyle...........
what did you think of pernell whitaker when he was fighting?
he is maybe my fav of all time (will probably be replaced by floyd when all is said and done)
you could make an arguement to say that he "ran" (boxed ;)) more than mayweather, but when people talk about him all you ever hear is what a great boxer and defensive wizard he was (he was ;)) and that hes an all time great (he is)
i remember pernell fights where he would slip a few punches, counter, and then literally turn his back and jog away from the guy
Pernell did that, turning his back and walking away, HOWEVER he did STAND AND FIGHT a lot as well
And let me guess, Mayweather doesn't. Right? So I'm guessing his 24 knocks came by what? Luck? Please. This a perfect example of someone just looking for a reason to bad mouthed Mayweather. Rather stupid or not. Mayweather in 37 wins has 24 knock outs. Whitaker (who I'm a fan of) scored only 17 knock outs in his 40 wins. Yet Mayweather is a runner and Whitaker is a guy who would fight. Ridicules.
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Re: What does Floyd have to do to change your mind?
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Pernell in his 40+ fights actually fought some GREAT fighters which is why I consider him a GREAT FIGHTER and Floyd hasn't he's wasted his talent and been a bitch and never stepped up until now and now he wants to retire soon as well.
Whittaker fought top tier fighters in his youth, in his prime, after his prime.....he fought anyone who was anyone!
JC Chavez
Azumah Nelson
Oscar De la Hoya
Felix Trinidad
Buddy McGirt
Jorge Paez
Roger Mayweather
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Re: What does Floyd have to do to change your mind?
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Pernell in his 40+ fights actually fought some GREAT fighters which is why I consider him a GREAT FIGHTER and Floyd hasn't he's wasted his talent and been a bitch and never stepped up until now and now he wants to retire soon as well.
Lyle, this is the whole point of having this thread....
If you don't like who Floyd has faced, then name the fighters he needs to face in order to earn your respect.
I'm open to people voicing their anti-Floyd opinions, but providing a list of the guys he needs to fight after DLH will be more beneficial than just ranting and calling Floyd a bitch.
