Did Barry Mcguigan deserve to be put in the hall of fame?

He was good but he only won one world title and only defended it 3 times i say no

The main reason Barry got in was for reasons outside of boxing - you know, the fact he bonded the Catholics and Protestants when things were on the verge of boiling over in Norn Iron.

It is labelled the INTERNATIONAL Boxing Hall of FAME, afterall.

Plus he beat the great Pedroza (ofcourse) who was on 20 defences wasn't he?

Fair points just don't know if he deserved it

I suppose its one of those issues were his induction becomes increasingly debatable with the passing of time.

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I suppose its one of those issues were his induction becomes increasingly debatable with the passing of time.

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He was good but he only won one world title and only defended it 3 times i say no

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He beat taylor who was undefeated and lost his title in 120 degrees heat. remember when sugar ray robinson lost for the light heavyweight title he blamed the heat.

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H e beat an ageing champ ,
I like Barry but for me didnt achive that much when u break it down
so my answer is no.

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Originally Posted by althetruthhindley

H e beat an ageing champ ,
I like Barry but for me didnt achive that much when u break it down
so my answer is no.

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Who do you actual like/rate ::**

No IMO Barry does not belong in the HofF.....

I've been saying it but nobody listens to me......

And as I keep saying if hes in there then why question if Gatti deserves the honors?

IMO, once they let Barry in they pretty much open that door wider now.....

Hell fucking no. The boxing Hall of Fame needs to do some cleaning up. The first person who should be tossed out is Mcguigan overrated ass.

Gotta say no. Its like a measuring stick now, if you bring up a guy who's borderline you can always say, well Barry McGuigan got inducted.

For a while I had the hump with him, dont no why just did, well I do if Im honest but at the end of the day Barry Mc giugan was for a 4year period a fucking good fighter make no mistake. People forget, I remember one fight I thought the kid he was going to box would give him murders, Mac walked right through him. Thats when I saw something Special. Azuma Nelson and Mac at their best was a pickum fight make no mistake, Im a big fan of Nelson

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

No IMO Barry does not belong in the HofF.....

I've been saying it but nobody listens to me......

And as I keep saying if hes in there then why question if Gatti deserves the honors?

IMO, once they let Barry in they pretty much open that door wider now.....

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i agree i dont think barry belongs there but isnt Pipino Cuevas in hall of fame aswell despite losing to all time greats hearns and duran this is pipino record W 35 (31 ko's) | L 15 | D 0 | Total 50 i dont think he belongs there either

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Originally Posted by WWatt

The main reason Barry got in was for reasons outside of boxing - you know, the fact he bonded the Catholics and Protestants when things were on the verge of boiling over in Norn Iron.

It is labelled the INTERNATIONAL Boxing Hall of FAME, afterall.

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Think you forgot to capitalize that word. And no, Barry Mguigan does not belong.

The Hall of Fame isn't just based on an impartial critical analysis of a fighters record though and in my opinion neither should it be.

The Hall of Fame is a place where hero's and villains from the whole boxing world, fighters, historians, trainers, cutman, matchmakers etc all have their unique contribution recognised.

To be honest regarding Barry McGuigan, I have only a very hazy memory and his boxrec record to guide me but in truth a fighters merit in the halls of boxing fame rest on more than that.

If McGuigan managed to unite North and Southern Island as one poster mentioned than that is a great thing. Surely if a matchmaker or historian can make it into the Hall of Fame based on what they contributed to the sport then the wider contribution of a fighter to boxing as a whole should be considered.

I don't know enough about McGuigan personally to be able to call it but I would say that Gatti absolutely deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.

His blood and guts, never surrender, never quit style won over millions of boxing fans and made him one of the most beloved fighters of the modern era.

To me he's contributed every bit as much to boxing as a whole as have many other hall of famers with better records.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

No IMO Barry does not belong in the HofF.....

I've been saying it but nobody listens to me......

And as I keep saying if hes in there then why question if Gatti deserves the honors?

IMO, once they let Barry in they pretty much open that door wider now.....

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i agree i dont think barry belongs there but isnt Pipino Cuevas in hall of fame aswell despite losing to all time greats hearns and duran this is pipino record W 35 (31 ko's) | L 15 | D 0 | Total 50 i dont think he belongs there either

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Yeah! an arguement can be made about him......
But come on 11 title defenses thats saying something....
You don't defend a title 11 times plus the guys he fought were ALL top contenders of the Welter. Div. at that time. His loses were either early in his career or late in his career....
What I think makes you look at it this way is that he had a short wining era meaning I think it from like '76 to '80 when he lost to Hearns. But the guy fought whomever and he fought like 4 times a year I think in those 4 years that he was champ.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

No IMO Barry does not belong in the HofF.....

I've been saying it but nobody listens to me......

And as I keep saying if hes in there then why question if Gatti deserves the honors?

IMO, once they let Barry in they pretty much open that door wider now.....

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i agree i dont think barry belongs there but isnt Pipino Cuevas in hall of fame aswell despite losing to all time greats hearns and duran this is pipino record W 35 (31 ko's) | L 15 | D 0 | Total 50 i dont think he belongs there either

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Despite accomplishing more than McGuigan, Cuevas also shouldn't be in.

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Originally Posted by bilbo

The Hall of Fame isn't just based on an impartial critical analysis of a fighters record though and in my opinion neither should it be.

The Hall of Fame is a place where hero's and villains from the whole boxing world, fighters, historians, trainers, cutman, matchmakers etc all have their unique contribution recognised.

To be honest regarding Barry McGuigan, I have only a very hazy memory and his boxrec record to guide me but in truth a fighters merit in the halls of boxing fame rest on more than that.

If McGuigan managed to unite North and Southern Island as one poster mentioned than that is a great thing. Surely if a matchmaker or historian can make it into the Hall of Fame based on what they contributed to the sport then the wider contribution of a fighter to boxing as a whole should be considered.

I don't know enough about McGuigan personally to be able to call it but I would say that Gatti absolutely deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.

His blood and guts, never surrender, never quit style won over millions of boxing fans and made him one of the most beloved fighters of the modern era.

To me he's contributed every bit as much to boxing as a whole as have many other hall of famers with better records.

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Hall of Fame is suppose to be for legends and all time greats. Not crowd pleaser's and good doers. What Barry did outside the ring had nothing to do with boxing. So why should he be rewarded for it? Hall of Fame should be an elite group. Letting guys like MaGuigan and Gatti in cheapens it. They have no business being included in the same category as Ray Robinson and other greats. Greats who earned there spot by what they did in the ring.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

No IMO Barry does not belong in the HofF.....

I've been saying it but nobody listens to me......

And as I keep saying if hes in there then why question if Gatti deserves the honors?

IMO, once they let Barry in they pretty much open that door wider now.....

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i agree i dont think barry belongs there but isnt Pipino Cuevas in hall of fame aswell despite losing to all time greats hearns and duran this is pipino record W 35 (31 ko's) | L 15 | D 0 | Total 50 i dont think he belongs there either

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Yeah! an arguement can be made about him......
But come on 11 title defenses thats saying something....
You don't defend a title 11 times plus the guys he fought were ALL top contenders of the Welter. Div. at that time. His loses were either early in his career or late in his career....
What I think makes you look at it this way is that he had a short wining era meaning I think it from like '76 to '80 when he lost to Hearns. But the guy fought whomever and he fought like 4 times a year I think in those 4 years that he was champ.

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yea he was good fighter no doubt but big major fights that make you into legends are against all time greats he lost to duran and hearns both all times greats and both times he was stopped early and imo he doesnt derserve to be in there neither does barry

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

No IMO Barry does not belong in the HofF.....

I've been saying it but nobody listens to me......

And as I keep saying if hes in there then why question if Gatti deserves the honors?

IMO, once they let Barry in they pretty much open that door wider now.....

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i agree i dont think barry belongs there but isnt Pipino Cuevas in hall of fame aswell despite losing to all time greats hearns and duran this is pipino record W 35 (31 ko's) | L 15 | D 0 | Total 50 i dont think he belongs there either

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Despite accomplishing more than McGuigan, Cuevas also shouldn't be in.

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Originally Posted by bilbo

The Hall of Fame isn't just based on an impartial critical analysis of a fighters record though and in my opinion neither should it be.

The Hall of Fame is a place where hero's and villains from the whole boxing world, fighters, historians, trainers, cutman, matchmakers etc all have their unique contribution recognised.

To be honest regarding Barry McGuigan, I have only a very hazy memory and his boxrec record to guide me but in truth a fighters merit in the halls of boxing fame rest on more than that.

If McGuigan managed to unite North and Southern Island as one poster mentioned than that is a great thing. Surely if a matchmaker or historian can make it into the Hall of Fame based on what they contributed to the sport then the wider contribution of a fighter to boxing as a whole should be considered.

I don't know enough about McGuigan personally to be able to call it but I would say that Gatti absolutely deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.

His blood and guts, never surrender, never quit style won over millions of boxing fans and made him one of the most beloved fighters of the modern era.

To me he's contributed every bit as much to boxing as a whole as have many other hall of famers with better records.

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Hall of Fame is suppose to be for legends and all time greats. Not crowd pleaser's and good doers. What Barry did outside the ring had nothing to do with boxing. So why should he be rewarded for it? Hall of Fame should be an elite group. Letting guys like MaGuigan and Gatti in cheapens it. They have no business being included in the same category as Ray Robinson and other greats. Greats who earned there spot by what they did in the ring.

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As I said I don't know enough about Barry's career to comment but I still say Gatti deserves a spot.

20 years from now he'll still be remembered as one of the most entertaining fighters of our times.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

No IMO Barry does not belong in the HofF.....

I've been saying it but nobody listens to me......

And as I keep saying if hes in there then why question if Gatti deserves the honors?

IMO, once they let Barry in they pretty much open that door wider now.....

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i agree i dont think barry belongs there but isnt Pipino Cuevas in hall of fame aswell despite losing to all time greats hearns and duran this is pipino record W 35 (31 ko's) | L 15 | D 0 | Total 50 i dont think he belongs there either

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Despite accomplishing more than McGuigan, Cuevas also shouldn't be in.

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Originally Posted by bilbo

The Hall of Fame isn't just based on an impartial critical analysis of a fighters record though and in my opinion neither should it be.

The Hall of Fame is a place where hero's and villains from the whole boxing world, fighters, historians, trainers, cutman, matchmakers etc all have their unique contribution recognised.

To be honest regarding Barry McGuigan, I have only a very hazy memory and his boxrec record to guide me but in truth a fighters merit in the halls of boxing fame rest on more than that.

If McGuigan managed to unite North and Southern Island as one poster mentioned than that is a great thing. Surely if a matchmaker or historian can make it into the Hall of Fame based on what they contributed to the sport then the wider contribution of a fighter to boxing as a whole should be considered.

I don't know enough about McGuigan personally to be able to call it but I would say that Gatti absolutely deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.

His blood and guts, never surrender, never quit style won over millions of boxing fans and made him one of the most beloved fighters of the modern era.

To me he's contributed every bit as much to boxing as a whole as have many other hall of famers with better records.

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Hall of Fame is suppose to be for legends and all time greats. Not crowd pleaser's and good doers. What Barry did outside the ring had nothing to do with boxing. So why should he be rewarded for it? Hall of Fame should be an elite group. Letting guys like MaGuigan and Gatti in cheapens it. They have no business being included in the same category as Ray Robinson and other greats. Greats who earned there spot by what they did in the ring.

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Agreed, but they have Don Kng in don't they an he took more out of the sport than put in.

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

No IMO Barry does not belong in the HofF.....

I've been saying it but nobody listens to me......

And as I keep saying if hes in there then why question if Gatti deserves the honors?

IMO, once they let Barry in they pretty much open that door wider now.....

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i agree i dont think barry belongs there but isnt Pipino Cuevas in hall of fame aswell despite losing to all time greats hearns and duran this is pipino record W 35 (31 ko's) | L 15 | D 0 | Total 50 i dont think he belongs there either

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Yeah! an arguement can be made about him......
But come on 11 title defenses thats saying something....
You don't defend a title 11 times plus the guys he fought were ALL top contenders of the Welter. Div. at that time. His loses were either early in his career or late in his career....
What I think makes you look at it this way is that he had a short wining era meaning I think it from like '76 to '80 when he lost to Hearns. But the guy fought whomever and he fought like 4 times a year I think in those 4 years that he was champ.

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yea he was good fighter no doubt but big major fights that make you into legends are against all time greats he lost to duran and hearns both all times greats and both times he was stopped early and imo he doesnt derserve to be in there neither does barry

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Fair play on that Ice...... :)

Barry was on his way to being a hall of famer after beating Pedroz and Bernard Taylor who had only failed to beat (drew with) a prime Pedroza, but he didn't back those great wins up - not enough Longjevity to be in th HOF, but on his very best night he was awesome

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

No IMO Barry does not belong in the HofF.....

I've been saying it but nobody listens to me......

And as I keep saying if hes in there then why question if Gatti deserves the honors?

IMO, once they let Barry in they pretty much open that door wider now.....

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i agree i dont think barry belongs there but isnt Pipino Cuevas in hall of fame aswell despite losing to all time greats hearns and duran this is pipino record W 35 (31 ko's) | L 15 | D 0 | Total 50 i dont think he belongs there either

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Despite accomplishing more than McGuigan, Cuevas also shouldn't be in.

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Originally Posted by bilbo

The Hall of Fame isn't just based on an impartial critical analysis of a fighters record though and in my opinion neither should it be.

The Hall of Fame is a place where hero's and villains from the whole boxing world, fighters, historians, trainers, cutman, matchmakers etc all have their unique contribution recognised.

To be honest regarding Barry McGuigan, I have only a very hazy memory and his boxrec record to guide me but in truth a fighters merit in the halls of boxing fame rest on more than that.

If McGuigan managed to unite North and Southern Island as one poster mentioned than that is a great thing. Surely if a matchmaker or historian can make it into the Hall of Fame based on what they contributed to the sport then the wider contribution of a fighter to boxing as a whole should be considered.

I don't know enough about McGuigan personally to be able to call it but I would say that Gatti absolutely deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.

His blood and guts, never surrender, never quit style won over millions of boxing fans and made him one of the most beloved fighters of the modern era.

To me he's contributed every bit as much to boxing as a whole as have many other hall of famers with better records.

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Hall of Fame is suppose to be for legends and all time greats. Not crowd pleaser's and good doers. What Barry did outside the ring had nothing to do with boxing. So why should he be rewarded for it? Hall of Fame should be an elite group. Letting guys like MaGuigan and Gatti in cheapens it. They have no business being included in the same category as Ray Robinson and other greats. Greats who earned there spot by what they did in the ring.

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agreed hall of fame is elite of elite like ali ray robinson ect these guys fought best of era and had outstanding records

to be in hall of fame you need to beat all time greats something that barry didnt do guys like ali he beat foreman fraizer sonny liston ect great fighters and proved himself to be one of best heavyweights of all time and sorry bilbo have to agree with vd here why should things you do outside ring affect if you get in hall of fame or not ??hall of fame is about beating best and proving your best barry didnt do either

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For a while I had the hump with him, dont no why just did, well I do if Im honest but at the end of the day Barry Mc giugan was for a 4year period a fucking good fighter make no mistake. People forget, I remember one fight I thought the kid he was going to box would give him murders, Mac walked right through him. Thats when I saw something Special. Azuma Nelson and Mac at their best was a pickum fight make no mistake, Im a big fan of Nelson

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Agreed :coolclick: ! Barry Mcguigan was very exciting fighter , He could really break an opponent down . O0

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

No IMO Barry does not belong in the HofF.....

I've been saying it but nobody listens to me......

And as I keep saying if hes in there then why question if Gatti deserves the honors?

IMO, once they let Barry in they pretty much open that door wider now.....

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i agree i dont think barry belongs there but isnt Pipino Cuevas in hall of fame aswell despite losing to all time greats hearns and duran this is pipino record W 35 (31 ko's) | L 15 | D 0 | Total 50 i dont think he belongs there either

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Despite accomplishing more than McGuigan, Cuevas also shouldn't be in.

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Originally Posted by bilbo

The Hall of Fame isn't just based on an impartial critical analysis of a fighters record though and in my opinion neither should it be.

The Hall of Fame is a place where hero's and villains from the whole boxing world, fighters, historians, trainers, cutman, matchmakers etc all have their unique contribution recognised.

To be honest regarding Barry McGuigan, I have only a very hazy memory and his boxrec record to guide me but in truth a fighters merit in the halls of boxing fame rest on more than that.

If McGuigan managed to unite North and Southern Island as one poster mentioned than that is a great thing. Surely if a matchmaker or historian can make it into the Hall of Fame based on what they contributed to the sport then the wider contribution of a fighter to boxing as a whole should be considered.

I don't know enough about McGuigan personally to be able to call it but I would say that Gatti absolutely deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.

His blood and guts, never surrender, never quit style won over millions of boxing fans and made him one of the most beloved fighters of the modern era.

To me he's contributed every bit as much to boxing as a whole as have many other hall of famers with better records.

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Hall of Fame is suppose to be for legends and all time greats. Not crowd pleaser's and good doers. What Barry did outside the ring had nothing to do with boxing. So why should he be rewarded for it? Hall of Fame should be an elite group. Letting guys like MaGuigan and Gatti in cheapens it. They have no business being included in the same category as Ray Robinson and other greats. Greats who earned there spot by what they did in the ring.

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agreed hall of fame is elite of elite like ali ray robinson ect these guys fought best of era and had outstanding records

to be in hall of fame you need to beat all time greats something that barry didnt do guys like ali he beat foreman fraizer sonny liston ect great fighters and proved himself to be one of best heavyweights of all time and sorry bilbo have to agree with vd here why should things you do outside ring affect if you get in hall of fame or not ??hall of fame is about beating best and proving your best barry didnt do either

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It depends on what you define as excellent though ultimately. I mean a look through the Ring's annual Fight of the Year award shows that only Carmen Bassilio and Muhammad Ali have ever featured in more fights of the year than Arturo Gatti.

Both of those guys and pretty much any other fighter who is in the list more than once are all Hall of Famers without question.

I think if Gatti was voted in I'd say he deserved it. Probably only Oscar De La Hoya has been a more popular fighter in the past 20 years. You can't mention great rivalries in boxing without bringing up Gatti Ward, it's possibly the greatest trilogy of all time.

If they vote him in I'll be please for him.