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who wins ?
Whitaker by clear unanimous decision, at either 135 or 147.
Personally, I think the only guy who could challenge Whitaker at 135 is Duran, and the only ones could beat him at 147 are Ray Robinson and maybe Ray Leonard.
id say meldrick taylor prime one would give whitaker hard timeQuote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
i think Pernell would win also. i
most people will say pernell just because the popular thing to do is pick the past gen fighters against the current gen. even though pernell isn't that old.
i pretty sure there are people that think a 135lb shane could outwork Pernell.
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Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'
shane was atg status at 135, imo
One thing with Mosley he keeps good form anybody of his statuer he will give problems.
at lightweight this is a wonderful match up
and i like both fighters u know i really dont know who wud win
but if i had to go for a winner hmmmm id say Pernell by split points.
and personally i think Sweet pea wud beat duran at lightweight , styles make fights
shane mosely at 135 stops everybody....pernell included
This is a classic matchup at Lightweight for me. Really hard to pick a winner - I would lean towards a narrow decision for Sweet P
i think pernell would beat duran at lightweight also
Sweet pea was kickass good plain and simple !!!!!!!!!!!
yup , hard to see Shane losing to anyone at lightweightQuote:
Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
Mosley was great at lightweight, but Whitaker would definitely outbox him.
Mosley was a big puncher at 135, but let's not forget, Whitaker took all of Tito's best power shots at 147. If he could take those, he could take Shane's best shot without any problems.
Pete was crafty... a slick southpaw who would get angles on his opposition. at his prime he would be hard to defeat. Pete's skills , accompanied with the southpaw advantage made him something special.
I would guess Whitaker W 12 R UD O0
Mosely win UD 12
Mosley.
I think a lot of people underrate Mosley...me? I just don't like him...but that doesn't mean that he aint a hell of a fighter.
i like both fighters but this is to close to call the more u think about it :(
Pernell all the way. Mosley is a great athlete, but only a good boxer. He lacks a certain finesse that the best seem to have. THat's why he looks so much more awkward or robotic compared to Mayweather, Whitaker, Roy Jones Jr., and thats why I think loses to any of them(RJJ in p4p sense).
Mosely has what I call a refined throwback style, Shane fights a lot like guys in the early days of boxing. very strong for a small guy , fast hands, accurate puncher. keeps his hands a bit low at times, mostly to bait guys in so he can counter them . however he will go on the offense quickly, Shane don't just wait around all days like some counter punchers do, he will spring into action and keep an excellent work rate going throughout the match !Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
I would favor Pete slightly , however it could go the other way…would have been a prime for prime thrill ride
why don't you like moselyQuote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
It certainly is a hard one to pick, but with Mosleys better Oral stability me thinks he shades it
I'm not trying to change the thread topic, but I'm curious about something......
Those of you who are picking Mosley, where do you rank Mosley in his prime on an all-time list?
Because the vast majority of the so-called media "experts" would rank a prime Pernell Whitaker among the top 10-12 fighters PFP of all-time. Do you think Mosley deserves that type of status as well?
Sweet youre absoluatly correct in everything you say. But I think its a bad match for Him, styles make fights. Pea is one of my ATG followed him from the Amatuers a Joy. But its a bad match
Now this is one of the hardest match up's to decide between.....damn i hate you Sugar Shaw!! id possibly go with Shane because at 135 he was immensly fast and powerful....but then agen you never really saw anyone clearly beat Pernell and his defence was so damn good, fook it i cant pick.
shane mosely ud 12
How do you think it's a bad match?Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
Because before I made my previous post, I thought to myself, "Maybe they're picking Shane because they think the style matchup favors him..."
But then I broke the fight down in my head and:
Whitaker is clearly better technically... I think everyone would agree on this
Whitaker is better defensively.... I think everyone agrees here too
Whitaker has faster hands...I'm sure some would argue it's even here, but I disagree
Whitaker has faster and better feet.... Mosley was never really a mover, he was always straight ahead
The only edge I see for Mosley is power, and I think Whitaker proved he could take anyone's best punch. Mosley's not going to KO someone who a prime Trinidad couldn't even KO, and I don't see how Mosley wins on points
No disrespect to Mosley, but I just always viewed him as clearly below the top tier of lightweights (Duran, Whitaker)
Interesting veiws, I just picture them in my head in a certain contex and work it out, theresplenty of footage of the pair for reference and Im not a bad judge, its part of the job
Whitaker is better technically, He is beter defensively. I very much disagree with his hand, and foot speed. His footwork was more efficient, and thus allowed him to cut corners Mosley couldn't but he wasn't quicker in any way except maybe reflexes, and even then I think its Mosley's lack of style that allows him to get hit so easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
Whtaker is technically better at what he does not what Mosley does, Mosley commits in range in clusters with good posture doesnt reach and stays on the back foot. Shane will always struggle with taller fighters because of it, people his stature its a different story plus hes very good at moving his front foot. Id have loved to see it be a classic.
Pernell by UD.
IMO Pernell would of beaten any Lightweight in history cause of his style.
That includes Duran,Duran wont get the better of someone he couldnt even hit :)
I believe Mayweather beats Pernell because they are comparable in skill though PBF IMO is better rounded, and he has the speed factor.
Hmm, I'm not sure he looks awkward to me. A bit robotic at times, although some might just call it "textbook" compared to Mayweather, SweetP or Jones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Though I'm of firm belief that Whitaker got robbed my Oscar, it was a close fight, and IMHO, Shane is P4P and Prime for Prime better than Oscar. There is a very good chance that Pernell loses to Shane. I'd say this is a "pickem" fight.
Only way Shane could win this fight is via knockout. And he's not stopping Whitaker. So Pernell wins this one
But this logic is flawed, because the Pernell who fought DLH was waayyyyyy past his prime. He was 33 years old, and there is a good chance he was already abusing cocaine, considering that he tested postive at his next fight and was in rehab soon after.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeanE
Prime Whitaker would've beaten DLH easily.
Pete really was magical ! man some of those defensive moves were supernatural , and yet he would still be in position to tax that ass.. I really enjoyed watching himQuote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
I agree you that he would have taken DLH easily in his prime, and you are right, my logic was off, because I forgot how far past it Pea was when he fought Oscar. Looking at boxrec, The Chavez/McGirt/Vasquez SweatPea probably gets an edge.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
I don't think he ever beats ODLH EASILy, but he would have beaten him more convincingly. I don't believe cocaine affects your reflexes over the first little while until its starts totally deteriorating the brain. In the first year or so of use it would actually increase things like reflexes because it speeds up everything in your body, and may be an advantage for awhile for a boxer.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
I'm not sure where you get the idea that abusing a drug like cocaine wouldn't affect a fighter's preparation for a fight. He wasn't snorting a line in the dressing room before the fight to get extra energy.... He was abusing drugs and alcohol on a regular basis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
You're telling me that drinking alcohol and snorting coke, instead of focusing on training and eating right, doesn't hurt a fighter's ability to perform at his best? Come on.
Not at all, but do we actually know for sure he was doing cocaine before he fought ODLH, and do you know that he was putting off training during that period. Alchohol is bad for your reflexes and would definitely compromise you in the ring, but not necessarily cocaine... at least not in the first little bit of using it. To say that somebody isn't training because they were doing drugs is one thing, but that wasn't the case against ODLH I know that Whitaker trained for that fight.