against some bum named Ralph West should win really. Does anyone think he could be a champ? He fought well against KLIT!
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against some bum named Ralph West should win really. Does anyone think he could be a champ? He fought well against KLIT!
He can be a champ, just gotta keep away from Wlad though...
I agree completely. I think with sweet pea training him he will definately be a champ soon. I even think after some more experience he would give wlad a better fight than the first one.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
I hate it that he dropped his other trainer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wadeb_21
They seemed to get along so well & when he generally listened to him he seemed to fair pretty well. I like Brock...but he's not the complete package & I don't think that Sweet Pea will add anything to the pot to strengthen the mix. You either got it...or you don't.
But surely with more ring experience against the higher fighters i really think training of him would only benefit. Brock dont need to be fighting bums for too long imo. His next fight should for sure be a step up because he is getting older. But with the right oppostion i really think he will get another shot quite soon. I fight with Thompsonwould be good imo. If he fight Thompson i think that would boost him enough so show is worthy of fighting for a title and by doing that he would wipe out one of the bigger names in the devison. Sam Peter-Calvin Brock would be a nice one.Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
Yeah...if your'e into watching public executions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Peter would kill Brock...no if's, and's, or but's about it.
At this point I really think so too. Peter is really the improved article.Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
Disagree. I think Brock would beat Peter handily. Peter can show a shotgun jab and somne defense against someone who's shorter then him and has to lunge to get to him. But he still loops his punches the same way, I don't think he'd beat Brock.Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
Agreed about Sweet Pea as a trainer. A fighter named Dorin Spivey brought him on as a trainer and his career, which was already in an inverted spin, crashed and burned.Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
Calvin Brock is your typical fringe contender. He will always beat the guys he should beat, but he'll never beat a top heavyweight, like Wlad or Peter. He just doesn't have the weapons to be a true heavyweight contender.
I don't expect the change in trainers to improve anything. I've always been of the opinion that Hall of Fame athletes make horrible trainers/coaches/managers. It's just impossible for them to relate to guys who can't do the things they could do.
Sure, Whitaker was a smart fighter, and there must be tricks of the trade that he could teach a fighter, but so much of what he did was things that you could never teach. I will be surprised if he is successful as a trainer.
I just read today that Gatti may start working with Whitaker as well. I think that one is pretty funny. A trainer who always focused 100% on defense, working with a fighter who only cares about offense.
I agree 100% about Brock !Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
I feel that Whitaker could be a good trainer . I do see what your saying about maybe Pete not having the patience needed to see the job through with less skilled folks. a trainer has to be a father type figure in lot of ways. caring and nurturing inspiring and knowledgeable .. I know Whitaker is inspiring and knowledgeable , but the other I am not so sure . O0
Yeah, you're right on the money, because when he came up against Klitschko he found himself out of his depth, against a fighter who was his superior and he didnt really have many ideas or Plan B's and C's to deal with him. To be honest, I don't think that many of today's great fighters will bother turning into trainers because they've got the big bucks already.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
I don't think so....I think Calvin's defense and good short punches would trouble Sam Peter.Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
They are both good fighters though
I think it comes down to Peter's explosiveness. I don't think Brock could handle Peters power. I don't see Calvin hurting Peter. Peter has that Ray Mercer, David Tua type neck and build ,Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
A good chin at Heavyweight is positive factor.. it keeps you in the fight when its going tuff.
Brock does not really roll with the shots per say , Brock takes them flush on, I don't see a positive outcome for Brock when this happens.
Brock is done he can't win a world title
I like Brock...He has nothing to be ashamned about in his loss to Wlad...Calvin is one of those guys that are good for the sport.....IMO with some better training and more experience I don't see why he couldn't hold one of the titles out there....With the divission in the state it is in today it is more than just a possibility
Taking a punch straight is not bad when you fight a guy like Sam Peter....who doesn't throw straight power punches. It's bad when you fight a guy like Wlad who throws straight hard punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lords Gym
Brock has great defense and I think he is a good enough boxer to outbox Sam Peter....I honestly feel he's a better all around fighter than Sam Peter.
Brock could beat Valuev and Maskaev....maybe not Shannon Briggs unless he could take Shannon into the later rounds then he'd win but he's got to weather that storm for 2-3 rounds
Brock beats Sam Peter comedy
....you think I'm joking, I give Calvin Brock a good shot at beating Sam Peter.
Calvin is a good solid boxer and Sam Peter is a brainless puncher
thats pretty lame Lyle ! O0Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Heaven forbid a guy that carries a punch into the ring and wants to fight ! there aint nobody wants to see that. LMFAO !
he doesn't set it up LG...he's not a bad fighter but he could be a lot better.
Brock is a solid fighter, all around
It's all just a matter of opinion no doubt, but to me Brocks foot work is nothing special. Brock is flat footed for the most part and is an under conditioned athlete ( not in the best of shape) .. Not on his toes like Evander Holyfield circling his opponent landing great jabs and combinations ,.. Brock fights fairly still and would trade with Peter and eventually come up short in the match,. its not like Brock is some kind of elusive type fighter that can't be hit. The guy was made to be hit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Brock has a good defense.....he has only been caught by Wlad and Jameel McCline.....he's shown a pretty good chin as well.
Brock is a guy who will stand close to his opponent but he doesn't get hit that often.....and Sam is used to REACHING for his opponents.
If Brock stays in the pocket vs Sam he'll be able to deflect those bombs and counter.
I'm not saying it's a 100% given, I'm just saying there is a chance of it happening, that's all.
Lyle...go get a bar of soap & wash off your hate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
You need to let it go. YES Peter dropped Wlad many times in their fight. YES it was shocking that someone as rough & unskilled as Peter could push Wlad around the ring. YES we all realize that you can't give Peter his props for improving.
Seriously, let it go. You'll feel better about yourself once you deal with this bi-polaresque obsession of yours.
Peter is more than a brainless puncher. He's improved & it's shown.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
He lasted 12 with one of the most skilled heavies of the game when he fought Wlad. He defeated one of the most technically gifted fighters in the game twice when he beat Toney.
He could handle the tap dancing banking real estate selling boxer.
You have to watch Brock's previous fights. He lucked out against Bostice when he made it to 12, he had issues with Ibrag, & everyone can land a bomb once & a while as he did with Lawrence. He's looked lack lustre of late & saying that he'd have a good shot at beating Peter?
Yeah...the only Peter he'll have a good shot at beating is his own & maybe only then with a bottle of lotion.
Again Lyle...wash off your hate. Your losing your street cred here.
Speaking of which...where's the gotdam sombrero? Keep it real. ;) ;D
Hey Zuri Lawrence was a tough cat when Brock fought him.....the guy just beat Jameel McCline and Brock BLASTED him.
Sam Peter is a good power puncher but that is IT....he can't box.
Oleg Maskaev has a decent shot vs Sam Peter....Oleg has a decent shot vs a lot of guys.
I did see him gutted by Correy T-Rex Sanders though.....wow, Oleg just got lost for a second then KA-BLAM he's done
Lawrence was soft opposition...so was McCline...as it appears now. The Bostice fight was something to see...it gave me a good idea of what Brock's chin was like...because Bostice aint a knockout artist...but he connected a few times & Brock felt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
That being said...it was a good bloody toe to toe match & Brock gutted it out. I was impressed...but since then...he's looked less than stellar.
Didn't see it...but Oleg's got heavy hands...but he's too slow. Peter would out hustle him down the stretch IWO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Oleg likes to brawl too much......too bad for Rahman so did he, only he wasn't as good as Oleg.
Sam Peter is good but there is still work to be done.....like JAB
I think if CB has a very good defence and doesnt get caught by Peter early he has a good chance of winning it. I think it would be a good heavyweight fight for that fact, knowing sam is gonna KTFO CB. But if he holds on he should do well.
Brock doesn't have the fire power to keep Peter off of him for 10 rounds. His defense is solid but not exceptional enough to keep Peter from landing the one flush shot he needs to KO Calvin. If Peter stays true to his form from his last fight against Toney and comes in behind a stiff jab he will beat anyone except for Wlady.
Apparently you either missed the 2nd Toney fight...or you just refuse to acknowledge it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Peter owned Toney with a jab that was in constant repetition...hell...he even dropped Toney with a three shot jab that connected on the last rip to push him down in the 2nd.
Peter is improving & I really REALLY hope that he pulls out all the stops. He seems like good people.
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Gets hit too often....not an accurate puncher.....his hands are too low
Better but not the best
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Put up the first two rounds & then the last two...you see a different picture.
Thing is...he won the fight & outboxed argueably one of the better boxers of the last 8-9 years...he beat him twice when others couldn't.
You can't take that away from him.
He did good enough to win...& he is improving. Never said that he was the best...but he's getting better & again...that's what counts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I think thats the general idea behind that one. To improve his defence. Bit too late now like.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
Fact is Sam is still very raw and he needs correcting but then again there are a lot of flawed fighters out there he can take advantage of.
Wacko, he has improved but it's not to a level where he's head and shoulders above EVERYONE.
Calvin Brock does everything average and therefore he's dangerous for ANYONE to fight, even Sam Peter
He boxed better than Sam did vs Wladimir....now I know he didn't knock Wlad down but still he frustrated Wlad more. Sam just landed a couple hard punches and that's it